Tragedy has been, and will always be, with us. Somewhere right now, evil people are planning evil things. All of us will do everything meaningful, everything we can do to prevent it. But each horrible act can't become an axe for opportunists to cleave the very Bill of Rights that binds us.

- CHARLTON HESTON - NRA speech May 1, 1999

(Having bad luck with the embed codes from Comedy Central's Daily Show site)

Clicking the link where the video was supposed to show up will take you right to it.

I'm getting a tingle up my leg just thinking about clicking the link.

I want to see Disney turn a hijab into nojob.

Is this site fly paper for nut jobs or what?

Haha, saw this last night, he admitted he (along with his colleagues) was wrong about the NRA and Columbine, a centerpeice in that horrid film Bowling for Columbine.

#5 | Posted by mysterytoy

I will make "Comedy Central" my #1 news source and join the lefties.

AGAIN...while I laugh often at the show and rarely miss it..

its not hard to have a 100 writers and edit machines..show a clip and sit there WITH NOONE To dispute you and ramble on with an audience inhouse that would kiss your ass if you let them....

"its not hard to have a 100 writers and edit machines..show a clip and sit there WITH NOONE To dispute you and ramble on with an audience inhouse that would kiss your ass if you let them...."

No it's not. Having enough wit, education and talent that someone would buy you all that stuff and give you air time is the tricky part.

The Daily Show has 17 writers (which includes Jon Stewart)...

Head writer
Steve Bodow
[edit] Staff writers
Jon Stewart
Rory Albanese
Kevin Bleyer
Rich Blomquist
Tim Carvell
Wyatt Cenac
J. R. Havlan
Hallie Haglund
David Javerbaum
Josh Lieb
Elliott Kalan
Sam Means
Jo Miller
John Oliver
Daniel Radosh
Jason Ross

Don't forget Lewis Black.

Damn................. Jon Stewart sure put a shitty twist on that statement.

I miss Charlton Heston. I've been a fan ever since Boy Scouts taught me to shoot a penny at 25 yards without a scope.

Also, why do I never hear Conservatives admit they were wrong about something?

Wrong about what syo?

Damn................. Jon Stewart sure put a shitty twist on that statement.

#13 | Posted by Sniper

How's that? That we shouldn't allow a tragedy to erode our Constitutional rights?

ame, that ain't what the debate is about. It isn't if they have the right (they do) its about if it is proper ( and its not) Why is your skull so thick you can't understand that.

I'm one of those right wingers, and I have to admit Stewart has a point.

I don't believe in trashing our rights just because we don't agree with someone's plans.

Uh, Jon Stewart is a comedy show. If you go there for the predictable political "commentary", there really is something wrong with you. That is, unless you decide which position to take based on who has the most clever jokes. Unfortunately, most of the time the truth just isn't funny.

Where they put one more of over 100 mosques in NYC is an irrelevant issue, nor is the issue "religious freedom". Nobody will ask the real question and then face the inevitable cries of "racisim" and "intolerance" from the retarded left. Here's the question that must be answered: Are we obligated to tolerate hatred and violence, if it's veiled as a religion? Are we obligated to tolerate intolerance? Are we to give unbridled support to forces that feel compelled by their religion to destroy us? Government stats show that 85% of all US mosques preach intolerance and violence, yet we are to accept them as openly as a bunch of harmless Quakers? That is where the line should be drawn, not based on geography.

Stewart regularly points out the fallacies and hypocrisy the right wing spews using their own words on video.

For instance, a couple days ago he showed an interview Laura Ingram did with a Muslim 9/11 first responder a few months ago applauding the "Ground Zero" (not) "Mosque" (not). Then, flash forward to this week where she's condemning it.

"Government stats show that 85% of all US mosques preach intolerance and violence..."
#19 | Posted by Dinsey

Got a government site link for those stats? Sounds interesting.

"Government stats show that 85% of all US mosques preach intolerance and violence..."
#19 | Posted by Dimsey

Agreed, Redial, sounds very interesting.

Dimsey, where's the link?

((Are we obligated to tolerate hatred and violence, if it's veiled as a religion? Are we obligated to tolerate intolerance? Are we to give unbridled support to forces that feel compelled by their religion to destroy us? ))

Are you talking about the history of Christianity? Now THAT is a violent religion.

"Government stats show that 85% of all US mosques preach intolerance and violence..."
#19 | Posted by Dinsey

Got a government site link for those stats? Sounds interesting.

#21 | Posted by REDIAL

His name should be 'Disney'. He makes up fairy tales.

No that this will have the slightest effect, having posted similarly on prior occasions, but when I was posted to Pakistan in the Foreign Service in the 80's (when we were supplying the Mujhadijn with the weapons being used on us now) devout, patriotic, muslims protected my family when I was "away". We got to know many in the Islamabad/Pindi/Peshawar corridor, and called many our personal friends.

What the Islamaphobics don't seem to understand is that there is NO master plan whereby every single practicing muslim has global ambitions to overthrow western civilizations. In fact, as recent in-country events all too bitterly illustrate, the major "ambition" for most muslims is to survive rampant disease, poverty, famine and flood, corrupt and violent government factions, and to provide for their families as best they can. The majority of muslims are peaceable and dedicated family people, and want nothing more than to achieve the foundation goals of Mazlov's Pyramid: Survival, food,and shelter.

Dinsey's "facts" are simply the usual pap put forth by the ignorant that think being a practicing muslim is a curse and a dirty word. Witness the latest bullshit about President Obama's faith. Even if some crackpot came up with incontrovertible evidence the president is a muslim, so F+#*##ing what?

We will never be able to reclaim any moral high ground on this planet if we label and demonize people who don't look, act, or practice the same foundations beliefs that we do.

Uh, Jon Stewart is a comedy show. If you go there for the predictable political "commentary", there really is something wrong with you. #19 | Posted by Dinsey

You could say almost the same thing about Fox News, except that they're pretending to be a news show. There's a reason the Daily Show wins Peabody awards and Fox doesn't.

"heck the muslims in the middle east think the USA is still fighting the crusades for Christianity."

Some of them probably do. Iranians/Iraqis likely, Saudis/Egyptians probably not so much.

I will make "Comedy Central" my #1 news source and join the lefties.

#8 | Posted by KBM at 2010-08-21 11:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

Actually, it's more on an op-ed piece, JUST LIKE FAUX News entire day, but they don't try to hide behind the word 'News' in their title.

Damn................. Jon Stewart sure put a shitty twist on that statement.

#13 | Posted by Sniper at 2010-08-21 02:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Translation: "I still think it's a Victory Masque"!!

The Daily Show has 17 writers (which includes Jon Stewart)...

en.wikipedia.org

#11 | Posted by prozacboi at 2010-08-21 01:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why are people always bringing up the number of writers?

Bildo O'Really ALWAYS mentions it as a pre-cursor to mentioning the Daily Show.

Hell, even Aflakabibble was claiming Stewart had over 100 writers just last week, but then, it was Aflakabibblebobble.

"Why are people always bringing up the number of writers?"

Good question.

Probably the same people that think presidents write their own stuff.

I wonder which, if any, State of the Union address was actually penned by the president? I'd bet it was literally a pen. Or quill.

REDIAL

The right wing usually choose to deflect from the subject at hand, like discussing Stewart's writers instead of how Heston talked not usurping Constitutional rights following a tragedy.

Heston was right and he wasn't a neocon either. But we shouldn't build a mosque there and the union laborers won't build it ...I'ts a joke to hear all the Lefties come out defending religious freedom all of the sudden. They don't give 2 shits about that part of the 1st amendment. I still say imagine in 1955 10 years after WW2 A respectable Japanese Business man decides to turn the USS Arizona into a floating sushi bar. That shit would not fly 1st amendment or not.
Dark

"...discussing Stewart's writers instead of how Heston talked not usurping Constitutional rights..."

Hey... is trying to get a thread back on track allowed?

I thought that was a well done bit by Stewart's writers, myself.

And a good point by Heston.

"the union laborers won't build it"

Bwahahahahahaha!

Tell us another one!

Darkstar-
re: But we shouldn't build a mosque there and the union laborers won't build it ...

You can't even see the WTC site from the proposed cultural center AKA "9/11 Mosque!" to retards. And where did you get the crap about builders not willing to build it?

re: I still say imagine in 1955 10 years after WW2 A respectable Japanese Business man decides to turn the USS Arizona into a floating sushi bar. That shit would not fly 1st amendment or not.

Imagine that Darkstar isn't an idiot....

Nah, too hard. I'll work on that and try again.

more insults from highbrow lefties instead of discussion ..this gets old can't you arrogant fucks on the left discuss things normally? Stop watching fox news it gets you all pumped up full of adrenaline lol

"can't you arrogant fucks on the left discuss things normally?"

Tell us again how Union workers won't build the building. I need another laugh.

Darkstar-
Do wish to discuss how Heston was wrong?

The changing world according to Darkstar:

now: Take your pick ...union builders probably won't build.

last hour: the union laborers won't build it

And then he links us to a Google search.

And in that Google search we get tabloids, Breitbart, and other assorted trash.

Heston was right....Imagine if that NRA held their meeting at the highschool in Columbine instead of Denver. No one would care if the Mosque was built in Buffalo. The dumb liberals in 1997 including John Stewart didn't even want him to come to the state at all.
So get off your soap box saying you support religious freedom and also your 2nd soap box that for one minute you ever gave 2 shits about Charleton Heston the president of the NRA has ever said.

I'm sorry. By "tabloids, Breitbart, and other assorted trash" , I mean the sacred tablets by which Darkstar gets his "facts."

"And in that Google search we get tabloids..."

Including assorted Republican workers who pretend to speak for all Unions and Union members.

"...Breitbart, and other assorted trash."

You're repeating yourself.

Darkstar-
re: Heston was right....Imagine if that NRA held their meeting at the highschool in Columbine instead of Denver.

You do understand that the proposed construction of a community center is two blocks away from the nearest corner of the WTC site, and several blocks more from either of the buildings that went down and that you can't see any of the WTC site from there, right? You also understand that the Imam, Rauf, was employed by Bush to go throughout the Muslim world to preach about how in the US we aren't a bunch of muslim-hating troglodytes and that we have a First amendment which we are quite proud of?

Darkstar-
But of course you don't understand any of that. You know it as the "WTC/911 Mosque" proposed by terrorists, because that's what you have been told by people who should know better; people who should know that you don't know better.

It's a sad state of affairs when the leadership of the Republican Party engages in such reeking rhetoric knowing that there is an army of Darkstars out there.

I don't believe they are terrorists that want to build the mosque although there will be stealth visitors that believe it a victory sight for al quaida. Apostle Paul explains it this way
All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
So Betelg you wouldn't mind in 1955 building a Japanese run sushi bar on or next to the USS Arizona?

"and several said they would refuse to build the proposed facility."

Several.

Not the Union. Nothing official.

Just a few cherry-picked answers.

Any Union member who doesn't want the job won't be forced to take the job. Pretending "the union laborers won't build it", as if that speaks for all Union workers, is laughable.

"Republican Party engages in such reeking rhetoric knowing that there is an army of Darkstars out there."
Is that all you have is an army of arrogant fuck lefties that can only throw insults. Lucky for this sight there is a few that debate in very potent ways (see Danforth) Doing all the heavy lifting for the rest of you fake liberal cry babies that want to call names and take your ball home so no one else can play.
Dark

DARKSTAR

Is your brain a Black Hole?

It isn't a Mosque, and it isn't on Ground Zero.

There are stripper bars closer.

although there will be stealth visitors that believe it a victory sight for al quaida

Bin Laden's rubbing his hands with glee at the 24%-ers like you presenting the antithesis of American ideals.

It will come Danforth ...I bet the union leaders will speak eventually. This locally is a populist issue not a republican one. Sure the repubs are making use of it especially nationally ...Why not? its a gift since Obama opened his big mouth. Several usually means there are alot more that haven't spoken yet.
anyhow if my links aren't enough since Danforth says so ill partially stand corrected on my comments. But i will be proven factual in time.
Dark
Ps interesting Howard Dean who isn't running for election chimed in saying it should not be built in that location. I could understand Sen Reid he wants to win but Howard sincerely feels his position.

"on or next to"

Now it's "on or next to".

I really don't wish to go through the ordeal of correcting every stupid false thing that you say, Darkstar, nor do I wish to defend the many wonderful sushi bars in Hawaii while you measure the distance from them to the USS Arizona and calculate the insensitivity of the placement.

The best thing you could do is stop listening to the people who wish to isolate and marginalize most muslims who claim that the US is a free country. Such people work in bin Laden's favor.

"Lucky for this sight there is a few that debate in very potent ways (see Danforth)"

Then debate, if you can. Your blanket statement about Union workers has been shredded. Do you have any alternative statements? Or are you willing to finally admit you made shit up based on what you wanted to be true?

Bin Laden's rubbing his hands with glee at the 24%-ers like you presenting the antithesis of American ideals.

#57 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-08-22 03:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah. The Darkstars and the Palins and the Gingrich's just wrote bin Laden's next propaganda video for him.

"if my links aren't enough since Danforth says so ill partially stand corrected on my comments."

Partially? You took some cherry-picked comments and pretended that spoke for all Unionists.

What's next? Finding two African-Americans who aren't going to vote for the President's re-election and concluding NO BLACKS WILL VOTE FOR OBAMA...?

"Sure the repubs are making use of it especially nationally ...Why not? "

Why not?

Because it represents the worst in us, not the best in us. You're part of the problem, and seemingly proud of it.

"Because it represents the worst in us, not the best in us"
Dems do exactly the same thing Danforth if you cannot admit that you are not as smart as I thought you were.

"So Betelg you wouldn't mind in 1955 building a Japanese run sushi bar on or next to the USS Arizona?"

Can I take this one? Thanks.

USS Arizona is a war memorial on a US naval base. I'd bet it's hard to build anything there.

Case in point, there was a lot of opposition to establishing USS Missouri on the same site as a war memorial. WTF?! And not in 1955.

"and my unions leaders comment has not been shredded maybe its still not been decided but several union workers..."

You just shredded it yourself. Reread it as many times as it takes to realize.

"Danforth you never give an inch"

Not when I'm right and you're wrong. Why should I?

"You have to admit for some reasons liberals feel so passionately about how they see things that when someone crosses those beliefs..."

All I "have to admit" is anyone would get frustrated when someone else makes an incorrect statement and then tries to back it up with links that don't prove their position at all...and then they either move the goalposts repeatedly or keep pretending they weren't wrong in the first place.

"... they see those people as inferior in some way and hurl insults."

Well, if the "inferior" shoe fits....

"Dems do exactly the same thing Danforth if you cannot admit that you are not as smart as I thought you were."

What the hell does that have to do with you being incorrect?

And speaking of incorrect, if you think I'm a Democrat, you're mistaken. I'm a lifelong Independent, who recently lived through the worst 8 years of governance of my lifetime. Like a reformed smoker, I'm someone who used to vote for more Republicans than Democrats and can't stand what the current crop has done to a once-decent political party. But don't mistake my utter disdain for Republicans as support for Democrats. I've been against more of Obama's actions than for them, and the nicest things I've said about Pelosi & Reid are that they're jagoffs. The Dems are merely --currently-- the lesser of two evils. Present me with a decent Republican who isn't in bed with theocracy, tax cuts for the rich, massive deficits, and Scalia, and I'll consider voting for him.

"Well, if the "inferior" shoe fits...."
Now who represents the worst in us? Come on Dan you can say I'm misinformed, or wrong or that you disagree with me but "inferior" really? Especially concerning this issue that even the liberal community seemingly is divided on.
Ok let all see Danforth who is a precise debater also has a supercilious side as well. I guess there isn't much risked on saying what you want on a blog site ...I'm guilty too ...but i thought you were different.

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire

"I guess Howard Dean represents the worst in us. "

I think any politician putting elections ahead of governing represents the worst. I excoriated the Dems when they spent two years working to get the White House instead of looking out for Americans, and I'll excoriate the Republicans for their current obstructionism all in the name of hurting any President with a (D) after his name.

Fuck 'em both.

"but "inferior" really?"

Your word, dude.

"I'm someone who used to vote for more Republicans than Democrats and can't stand what the current crop has done to a once-decent political party. But don't mistake my utter disdain for Republicans as support for Democrats."
I feel similarly Dan ...ok not on Gay marriage but I Voted for Obama and had voted for Bush before and was sicked by the last republican congress.
What did that congress give us except changing daylight savings time and ending analog tv...Oh almost forgot and letting Bush do what ever he wanted Example wars and 8 trillion in debt spending.

"I Voted for Obama and had voted for Bush before"

Both times?

So we're all agreed that Charleton Heston and Jon Stewart are correct that it is improper to demonize all members of a group based on the actions of a small minority of said group?

Cool.

No the 2nd time I voted for Nader had to write him in since lefticons didn't let his people get enough signatures in 04 fearing a 00' repeat.

Dark

/agreed redial however ...Denver where Heston spoke is alot more than 1-2 blocks away from columbine. Where the Mosque is proposed is very close to the 911 site. But yes I agree overall it is true what he said. I bet though if he were alive he would not want it built there. Using a dead guy is convenient that way ...Like when repubs site history that JFK lowered taxes during his 1000 days in office. Does not mean he would want to lower taxes today.

"had to write him in..."

Didn't vote then?

"alot more than 1-2 blocks away from columbine."

Exactly how far away would be okay?

"Where the Mosque is proposed is very close to the 911 site..."

That is pretty much the big deal. How close is too close?

I'm a Canuck so I don't follow the specifics so I ask:

What exactly is "Ground Zero"?

National Monument? National Historic Site? Park?

Construction site? Who owns it?

"Build the Mosque 15 miles from ground zero and no one would care."

How about 15 blocks?

How about 1.5 blocks?

BTW...the Denver SWAT team was called to Columbine.

"Almost 15 miles from Columbine to Denver."

This map measures half that distance, and that's from the center of the city.

"...alot of it will be privately owned but there will be some kind of public park of remembrance I believe."

So essentially it's a legally a commercial construction site?

I got driving directions from Columbine High in Littleton Colorado to Denver 14-15 miles depending which route you take.
Commercial construction site ....yes redial i believe so. I think i see where you going with this ...1st amendment and property rights to add to the allow argument.

tim mcveigh was a christian. they should destroy all churches in oklahoma city immediatley. they should prohibit the construction of churches in the u.s.

Link that Mcveigh was a christian?

Posted by NoGov4Me at 2010-08-22 08:26 AM

Excellent postage... and very Newsworthy.

eric robert rudoph is also a christian. tear down all chuches in atlanta and every where else he struck immediately.

can you have a church there?

sure.

should you?

i say the dead and their relatives deserve a lil distance and I am pretty sure most americans see it this way.

Link that Mcveigh was a christian?

#90 | Posted by darkstar74 at

also...

Terry Nichols it not Tim sorry try again.

I never said tear down anything nice attempt at intellectual dishonesty.
They have a mosque in place 11 blocks away from ground zero already. Myself Sen Reid and Howard Dean have no problem with that. nice try.

#95 | Posted by darkstar74 at

yeah, nichols had nothing to do with it.

also, i already posted about tim mcveigh.

Using some of the logic being used here it could be argued that some of the 19 terrorists were not muslim based on their reported behavior leading up to 9/11.

I can find flimsy links that say he wasn't a Christian to match your flimsy ones that say he was.

#96 | Posted by darkstar74 at

Why are people always bringing up the number of writers? -- #31 | Posted by COMMONSENSE

I don't get it either. The worst is says to me is that the producers care enough to do a good job, instead of going cheap by letting some crackpot wing it.

It's evidently not all that difficult to convince the great unwashed that a liberal comedian on television is, of course, plainly too evil to come up with this stuff on his own, so there must be thousands of writers behind Stewart, all part of the vast left-wing-conspiracy to have 100% employment for liberal comedy writers. All the conservative comedy writers (all three of them) are already employed by stellar candidates like Angle and Bachmann. They're not comedians? My bad.

Dear Darkstar...I say we put the mosque right smack dab in the middle of Ground Zero, that way we can keep an eye on all of them swarthy foreigners.

And while you're working yourself into a lather over this cravenly manufactured, "feel good" mid-term election cycle "issue," take time to think about all that GNP chedder being systematically offshored into shadowy Bahamian and Swiss bank accounts. Sew another tea bag on your hat...perhaps that might help.

"...the producers care enough to do a good job, instead of going cheap..."

That's probably true since Stewart is one of the producers as well as the host and one of the writers. It's in his best interest on many levels to put on a decent show.

It's interesting that no one ever mentions it here when The Daily Show skewers CNN or MSNBC or the Obama administration. They did quite a number on Rangel (sp?) last week and I think BL2 was the only one that mentioned it in passing.

heck the muslims in the middle east think the USA is still fighting the crusades for Christianity.

#27 | POSTED BY DARKSTAR74

I'm beginning to wonder if they are right considering some of the war supporters... At least it seems many people here seem to think this is a crusade.

"Dear Darkstar...I say we put the mosque right smack dab in the middle of Ground Zero" Dutch46
Yeah we can put a bronze statue in Holland of Theo Van Gogh with the knife in his back too. That will show the zealots we are friends.
Dark

I think a more correct analogy than a "sushi bar" would be a Shinto Shrine in Hawaii during WWII.

The Hawaii Kotohira Jinsha-Hawaii Dazaifu Tenmangu is a Shinto shrine established in 1920 in Honolulu to perpetuate Shinto traditions.

Fast Forward to WWII...

By 1941, annual festivals were being celebrated for all three shrines; Kotohira Jinsha, Shirasaki Hachimangu and Otaki Jinja, with an ever-growing membership of over 1,200 families. However, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941 threw the whole nation into turmoil. In the worst abuse of government authority in the history of the U.S., more than 120,000 Japanese Americans were interned in relocation camps. Issei leaders of the community in Hawaii were immediately rounded up and sent to internment camps on Sand Island, Honouliuli, Maui, Kaui, Lanai, Molokai, the Big Island and the Mainland.

All religious and cultural activities were terminated as the war continued. In 1943, the interned Rev. Isobe was deported to Japan, forcing officers to call a special meeting on July 21, 1945 to decide the fate of the shrine. Kotohira Jinsha officially announced the temporary closure of the shrine and its activities on April 6, 1946.

After the war, members enthusiastically restored shrine activities on December 31, 1947, despite the absence of a priest. However, the shrine faced another crisis on June 8, 1948, when its property was seized by the Federal Government. An emergency meeting was called and a special committee formed to initiate measures for the return of the shrine and its property.

On March 4, 1949, an announcement for the sale of the Kotohira Jinsha property appeared on local newspapers. The shrine immediately solicited the services of the law firm, Robertson, Castle & Anthony and filed a suit on April 4, 1949 against Attorney General Tom C. Clark, the State of Hawaii and the Federal Alien Land Office.

The case was heard in District Court on May 18, 1950 with a favorable ruling for the shrine. Kotohira Jinsha was once again able to continue all activities at their property in Kapalama. Members jubilantly celebrated the Autumn Thanksgiving Festival on Sunday, October 29, 1950, nine long years since the last festival in 1941.

If 9/11 were an isolated event Stewart would have a point...

If 9/11 were an isolated event Stewart would have a point...

#107 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at

right, because there was only ever 1 school shooting...

Dear Darkstar: it's official...you're an idiot. The subtleties of satire are evidently not your forte, flufferpuff.

"If 9/11 were an isolated event Stewart would have a point...

#107 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at

right, because there was only ever 1 school shooting..."

School shootings aren't carried out over and over again by the same people who then promis to do it again. 9/11 was part of a larger pattern of attacks on Americans by the same group of people. Not reacting was Clinton's strategy for dealing with them and it failed miserably.

"Not reacting was Bush's strategy for dealing with them and it failed miserably."

right, because there was only ever 1 school shooting...

#108 | POSTED BY NOGOV4ME

Granted I was a freshman in college when Columbine happened, so I wasn't really keeping up with those types of things, but I don't really remember that many school shootings.

Hell 9/11 wasn't even the first Muslim attack at the World Trade Center.

Rob,

Here is a list.

Not reacting was Clinton's strategy for dealing with them and it failed miserably.

#110 | POSTED BY SULLY

A certain hunting trip also comes to mind...

"According to CIA and Defense officials, policymakers were concerned about the danger that a strike would kill an Emirati [UAE] prince or other senior officials who might be with Bin Ladin or close by…"

well that link didn't come across right at all... Oh well its to the 9/11 commission report. Clinton and his admin knew exactly where Bin Laden was in 1999 and could have killed him but were worried about collateral damage.

Actually, the book is from 1977 and called Rage.

Thanks for the link Kan... I honestly had no idea there were so many school shootings. I guess its just the number of killed/wounded and the fact it played out on cnn that made it such a big deal.

#116 | Posted by kanrei

Excellent book loved his whole Richard Backman series. I especially loved the part where he made the girls have a slap fight.

Looking into Columbine, it really is an amazing and scary story that does go further than any other school shooting. They had bombs in the parking lot set to kill the 2nd Responders; they just never went off. They also, per their diary, planned to escape, hijack a plane, and crash it into the WTC. Seriously.

Holt did not address whether the rumored uncanny fantasy culmination of their plot was true: that the schoolboys planned to hijack a jetliner, have it fly to New York City and destroy the World Trade Center.

Kanrei I think I've officially sworn off Stephen King since I saw his most recent book is the Simpsons Movie...

Richard,

Never read it. First I heard of it, it was out of print and selling for a lot of money on Ebay.

"Yep. Bush failed miserably."

Its not one or the other, hack.

Clinton ignored a bunch of attacks. Bush ignored the situation when he took over.

I tend to think Bush was the much worse president but Clinton is more repsonsible for Al Queda's successes.

If you want to keep going back, it was Reagan who showed the world that, hit us hard enough and we will leave (Beirut). Kidnap our citizens and we will deal (Iran).

So Betelg you wouldn't mind in 1955 building a Japanese run sushi bar on or next to the USS Arizona?

Isn't the USS Arizona underwater? Does this mean Japanese people have gills?

Isn't the USS Arizona underwater? Does this mean Japanese people have gills?

#124 | POSTED BY TAXMAN

Easy access to sushi...

How about if Pat Buchanan wanted to open a Southern Baptist center 2 blocks from the Lincoln memorial, in interviews wouldn't denounce the KKK, and wanted to name this proposed Christian center with the same name as the hotel where MLK was shot?

I'm thinking most everyone would say to Pat, "What the fuck?"

"School shootings aren't carried out over and over again by the same people"

Some people blame the entire NRA every time some nut shoots someone, school or not. (Heston's point)

That is no different from blaming all Muslims every time the nutjobs blow something up. (Stewart's point)

I'd be willing to be there are sushi restaurants in Pearl Harbor and probably within walking distance of the port.

#127, See post #106.

Look the guy that said 85% of all mosques in America preach hate seems to be wrong as we all thought. Do a Google search. Only 10% do.....

So you guys want to take a chance on this building? Just a 10% chance they will preach hate and death to America.

I would challenge you to find that statistic for churches and get back to to us all. I only know of one church that preached hate for America. Obama attended it for 20 years.

So you guys want to take a chance on this building? Just a 10% chance they will preach hate and death to America.

Fear is not an American value.

"That is no different from blaming all Muslims every time the nutjobs blow something up. (Stewart's point)"

I didn't get that from a comment that says we shouldn't react at all (which we tried and it resulted in 9/11, BTW).

Kanrei

I agree neither is hate. Why do allow people on both sides to preach hate to invoke fear.

Why do allow people on both sides to preach hate to invoke fear.

It works. Fear is a base animal instinct we still have no control over. It is a primal reflex that overrides logic and common sense. It is vital for those in power to keep us scared to stop us from thinking. It is easy to hate "Muslims" or "Americans" as evil; harder to claim total evil on all PEOPLE who may be Muslim or American.

Not reacting was Clinton's strategy for dealing with them and it failed miserably.

#110 | Posted by Sully at

how many foreign terrorists are now in u.s. prisons because of clinton's strategy of not reacting? bush caught a dopey american this one time....

"how many foreign terrorists are now in u.s. prisons because of clinton's strategy of not reacting?"

Clinton's policies resulted in 9/11. Only a fool would claim they worked.

#135 | Posted by Sully at

yeah, they waited 9 months after the other guy took over out of gratitude...

There's a reason the Daily Show wins Peabody awards and Fox doesn't.

It's because Peabody's are only handed out by libruls.

--Mouth Breathers

"yeah, they waited 9 months after the other guy took over out of gratitude..."

You're hung up on who was in office at the time of the attack for reasons I can only guess at..... Regardless of the reason, it isn't a legitimate way to look at the situation.

Trust me, eight years of ignoring attacks played a huge role in the 9/11. We should have gone to war of the embassy bombings alone and I said so at the time.

It is a primal reflex that overrides logic and common sense.

Is it at all possible that the people on the left are using cries of Islamophobia and bigotry and racism the same way you think people are using fear and hatred?

I don't fear or hate Muslims exactly... I have individual Muslims friends, but on the whole no I don't really like Muslims all that much. To me this Imam is a prick and may even be a problem and that's why I don't like the idea of him getting to build this.

It is a primal reflex that overrides logic and common sense.

Is it at all possible that the people on the left are using cries of Islamophobia and bigotry and racism the same way you think people are using fear and hatred?

I don't fear or hate Muslims exactly... I have individual Muslims friends, but on the whole no I don't really like Muslims all that much. To me this Imam is a prick and may even be a problem and that's why I don't like the idea of him getting to build this.

Well yes Rob. The question I was answering asked that very question about "both sides" using fear.

Hell, my supporting their right to build it is based on fear and I don't hide it. I have said many times that, as a Jew, I know very well where the road of religious Intolerance mixed with Nationalism leads and I fear the end of that road.

I feel that, by fighting against what I see as "Islamophoiba" then maybe I can help stop my country from the same fate of places like Germany and Yugoslavia.

as a Jew, I know very well where the road of religious Intolerance mixed with Nationalism leads and I fear the end of that road.

#142 | Posted by kanrei

Hey kanrei...The Muslims variously known as fundamentalists or Islamists really, really, really, really, hate Jews. They hate Jews the way many people only dislike them and think they're annoying and obnoxious. They would rather blow up a Jewish hospital than anything in the known universe except a Jewish orphanage. And your worry about this country?

Tonto,

The Muslims variously known as fundamentalists or Islamists really, really, really, really, hate Jews.

And? If I agreed with how they saw things, I would be Muslim, not Jewish; wouldn't I?

They would rather blow up a Jewish hospital than anything in the known universe except a Jewish orphanage.

They? Muslims in general? Really? Not a small percent, but all of them?

And your worry about this country?

Yes. I am American and this is my home, my promised land, and my heaven. I will fight to preserve it.

Yes. I am American and this is my home, my promised land, and my heaven. I will fight to preserve it.

#144 | Posted by kanrei

My Mensch, you may want to take a harder look not at that inbred cracker drek but at that noontime yodeling guy who's ex-leader wore a dishrag on his head, shaved with a fork and vowed to obliterate the Juden.

"We plan to eliminate the state of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian state. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion. We Palestinians will take over everything, including all of Jerusalem."

Yasser Arafat

Dear Darkstar: it's official...you're an idiot. The subtleties of satire are evidently not your forte, flufferpuff.
#109 | POSTED BY DUTCH46 AT 2010-08-23 10:35 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Yeah yeah you libby quislings (save Danforth) all resort to insults when you can no longer discuss the subject matter ...Maybe you guys should stop watching FOX news before you post on here ..Its like Crack for the liberal mind. I think you watch it get all frenzied up and then come here and let loose.

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire

Hey Darky... I doubt that the NOT-Mosque protesters or them there Teabaggers know who Voltaire is much less understand what that statement means.

Else the NOT-Mosque on NOT-Ground Zero would NOT even be an issue...would it?

Thats your opinion and you are welcome to it ...but Myself Howard Dean and Sen Maj. Leader Reid disagree.
Dark

When we are done building a mosque near ground zero we can build a sniper memorial on "the grassy knoll".

When we are done building a mosque near ground zero we can build a KKK memorial in honor of Democratic Representative Robert Byrd across the street from the Lorraine Motel in Memphis.

When we are done building a mosque near ground zero we can build an oven factory near Auschwitz.

Hey its all "legal" right?

But is it a good idea?

Thank you Mr. President for speaking out on this issue and dividing this nation further you piece of Marxist Shit.

Let us place all our focus on the differences in religion, race, gender and sexual orientation and then bitch that there is no unity in America – The Democrats

Disgusting!

Oh and fuck off in advance, as I am opting out tonight!

When someone proposes building a 'mosque' near Ground Zero get back to us.

An 8 story community center with tennis courts, pool, community and interfaith outreach with a 'prayer room' on the 8th floor does not a 'mosque' make.

DIRK, you're being suckered

Good work Dirk ...some of us understand the difference between "Lawful but not expedient". Apostle Paul. (not quoted for religious effect just philosophical)

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire

PS hurry Libbies O'Reilly is almost on ...get your lotion and your sock and come back and post some more.

Jon Stewart isn't fit to mention the name of a god like Heston

Other than that I have no problem with Stewart

Gime-
Just to set the record straight, Heston was not God; He was Moses.

Not reacting was Clinton's strategy for dealing with them and it failed miserably. -- #110 | Posted by Sully

?? You're way off on basic facts:

In fact, Clinton caught hell for his "obsession with Osama" -- Phoenix
Link supporting this pls

DARKSTAR

All you have to do is Google "Clinton Wag The Dog" and you'll find plenty.

The right wing then (pre-9/11) claimed Clinton was trying to deflect attention away from the Monica affair by shooting at Bin Laden - as he'd done nearly 70 times with cruise missiles.

Bush took 0 shots at Bin Laden before 9/11.

I want a link that says or explains Clinton "caught hell for his Obsession with Osama"

Mighty self serving surfing, DARKSTAR

Cohen criticizes 'wag the dog' characterization
Former defense secretary testifies before 9/11 panel

Tuesday, March 23, 2004 Posted: 10:01 PM EST (0301 GMT)

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Former Secretary of Defense William Cohen testifies Tuesday before the 9/11 commission.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former Defense Secretary William Cohen (R) on Tuesday defended President Clinton's use of the military to protect national security interests, returning to a sharp GOP-led criticism of Clinton at a time when he was embroiled in the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

At that time, some GOP lawmakers used the phrase "wag the dog" to describe Clinton's military actions, saying he was using conflicts abroad to deflect attention from the domestic scandal. A movie of the same name came out in 1997, and the plot involves a presidential administration that launches a war as a political ploy.

Testifying before the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks upon the United States, Cohen said the U.S. military was prepared to kill or capture al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden whenever there was "actionable intelligence."

Clinton caught hell for his "obsession with Osama" -- Phoenix

Link supporting this pls -- #155 | Posted by darkstar74

Past my bedtime. Google things like "al-Shifa bombing," for starters. Clinton was accused of "wagging the dog" -- of manufacturing a bin Laden threat to divert attention from the Lewinsky scandal.

So he took his eye off the ball concerning bin laden because of his affair with Lewinsky in the white house and that is supposed to make me believe he did a superior job chasing bin laden over 8 years vs Bush's 9 months?
lol
nice point

So he took his eye off the ball... -- #160 | Posted by darkstar74

You're more confused than I thought. Condi Rice was part of the Bush Administration.

no dummy you are praising clinton saying he did more than bush concerning bin laddy ....but the links you give me explain he coulda had bin laddy if he wasn't caught fucking around with Lewinsky so that is supposed to make me believe he did a better job than Bush?
not likely