"This bill's passage marks a step backwards for Congress, which this week also passed the Fair Sentencing Act that reduced the sentencing disparities between cocaine and crack from 100:1 to 18:1. Now we have a new disparity: pot brownies and other marijuana edibles are now treated as something twice as bad as just distributing marijuana."

"Marijuana prohibitionists often hide behind vague threats to children, and DiFi's bill is no different. Her "Saving Kids from Dangerous Drugs Act" is framed to make politicians afraid to oppose. "How dare you voted against saving kids from dangerous drugs?"

But DiFi doubled down on the "Reefer Madness"-style hysteria. In championing this bill, Feinstein raised the spectre of "candy flavored meth" as the target of her bill. Something tells me that once, sometime, somewhere, someone claimed to have found candy-flavored meth, probably cut with pixie stix. DiFi ran with this to cover for her true target: marijuana edibles.

Really? Pot Brownies?

Yep. While DiFi's public line was all "candy flavored meth," the bill is written broadly enough that pot brownies and other marijuana edibles can be grouped into the law. She mentioned marijuana products in her support of the legislation, of course, but she sought to distract."

Great and I was looking forward to medical marijuana in NC just for that, save the poor lungs a bit. I tried the vaporizor and it doesn't taste as good and wastes pot. Oh well I guess the old bong will just have to keep on keeping on.

US Drug laws, one step forward and two steps back.

"Great and I was looking forward to medical marijuana in NC just for that, save the poor lungs a bit."

Well, this is a classic example of cowardly politicians hiding behind skirts and short-pants in order to restrict the rights of adults.

Donkers always have trouble with unintended consequences.

"Donkers always have trouble with unintended consequences."

Donkers? What the fuck is that, fool?

So they make Crack the same as Cocaine, but they make brownies worse than pot?

Actually, Kanrei, they only reduced the cocaine disparity from 100-1 to 18-1.

On the other hand, this could be seen as a concession by prohibitionists that smoking pot doesn't cause respiratory diseases. Unless they think pot brownies cause COPD.

You can pretty much bet any law that includes the words "Saving Kids from" or "Protecting Kids" or anything along those lines is going to be a dumb ass law.

Child online protection act anyone?

Oh well, so much for the Alice B. Toklas Cookbook.

has nothing to do with kids.

marijuana brownies are made for cancer patients so that while on chemo so that they can eat(the chemo makes you vomit).

they would rather people died of cancer than used marijuana.

and don't try to fucking tell me that the congress doesn't know that they are sentencing people to death with this.

they know full motherfucking well.

fascist assholes.

"You can pretty much bet any law that includes the words "Saving Kids from" or "Protecting Kids" or anything along those lines is going to be a dumb ass law. "

Exactly. Demagogues on both sides of the aisle use this gimmick.

yup.

saving kids has one meaning and one meaning only: controlling adults.

and don't try the babe in the woods argument here.

they know full fucking well the scam that they are running.

fascist pieces of shit.

This much is true.... Nulli hates kids!

Exactly. Demagogues on both sides of the aisle use this gimmick.

#13 | Posted by nullifidian

Yea, but, I'm a (fill in the blanks) and therefore I am right and everyone else is wrong. Plus they suck.

But what I really wanted to say was, Fuck you Feinstein. I hcan't stand these limousine liberals. Are marijuana brownies really a problem?

Why not just outlaw all brownies? And doughnuts too. And funny hats.

we are truly stupid and we deserve to be fucked over by the likes of feinstein, reid, pelosi and company.

Bwhahaha. The Left screwed by one of their own ugly women. Priceless!

"Bwhahaha. The Left screwed by one of their own ugly women. Priceless!"

Unfortunately, the vote was unanimous. That being said, Fiendstein is a real bitch. She wouldn't get my vote for dog-catcher.

She wouldn't get my vote for dog-catcher.

#19 | Posted by nullifidian

I have to say, you've got some fucked up politicians in Cali. Did Boxers vote thumbs down too?

So if we put the pot in some kind of yucky food like Poi' for instance, will the fine still be doubled? Maybe Marzipan? No one likes Marzipan do they?

Tedly has a point...

So we have to bake our pot into something that tastes awful and everything is ok?

Retarded thinking.

WE all get that we shouldn't be selling brownies to kids.

Are going to make Mike's Hard Lemonade illegal too?

Are going to make Mike's Hard Lemonade illegal too?

#22 | Posted by donnerboy

God damn. Think for the love of God.

Hint: Illegal vs. legal substance.

This is a backhanded attack on the medical cannabis "clubs" that sell alot of edibles for their patients(don't laugh)that can't smoke or choose not to.

As usual, Feinstein has her head up her considerable ass.

Yet ANOTHER in a long series of reasons why NORML SUCKS!

DO NOT SUPPORT THEM!!

I can't wait until all these 1950's fucks completely die off... no offense.

to be slightly more diplomatic-

Smoking and eating weed is stupid. Incarcerating people for it unless they cause a car accident or hurt someone else is even dumberer. Let's see how many prisons we can build! Legalize all of it. Let Darwin sort them out. If you are dumb enough to get high and drive, then you can go to jail forever and ever.

I can't wait until all these 1950's fucks completely die off... no offense.

Posted by AuntieSocial at 2010-08-03 09:19 PM | Reply

Me too.
My sister the lawyer was born in 1937.
She ain't dead either.

I can't wait until all these 1950's fucks completely die off... no offense.

#26 | Posted by AuntieSocial

Then what? You inherit your future and class standing from somebody on the family tree?

"Yet ANOTHER in a long series of reasons why NORML SUCKS!"

Are you a moron or what? NORML obviously opposes this shit.

Ad attached to this thread:

"What's the one thing Jerry and Meg Agree on?

"Sign the "petiton"

Is this "public safety first" group retarded?

The Senate has disconnected from the real world longer than any President. What a stupid fucking distraction from important business that requires their immediate attention such as: firing Bernanke, Geithner & Summers; stopping perpetual war; indicting the BP officials that ordered unsafe mile deep drilling practices; rounding up Wall Street criminals; resurrecting manufacturing.

Fuck this stupid-ass shit. What a dumb law.

i'm sorry... WHAT?

did she dream this in some perverted nightmare?

she should be deducted pay for this.

"Yet ANOTHER in a long series of reasons why NORML SUCKS!"

Are you a moron or what? NORML obviously opposes this shit.

#30 | Posted by nullifidian

That's just NOT right Null - throwing out the 'I' word before you even BOTHERED to actually READ the article!

The bill has garnered SUPPORT from unexpected quarters. Allen St. Pierre, executive director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML), says that "those who say marijuana is medicine had better be prepared to market it as such - and not as candy."

Edumacate yourself and get back to me ok?

NORML has been off course for many years and yet the suckers still support them.

Don't Assume NORML is on your side supporting the grass roots pot smokers.

The 'hip capitalists' like St. Pierre took control of NORML away from the orginal founders and Kieth Stroup years ago.

"#35 | POSTED BY MONSTMAN

That comment from St. Pierre was not in the original article I posted. Rcade made a few changes. You might have a point.

Hint: Illegal vs. legal substance.

#23 | Posted by wisgod

what planet do you live on wissy? It is you people who need to think this through.

Where I live marijuana is already LEGAL for me. I have a script. So, if I make brownies and eat them I am not breaking the law.

So, I don't provide Mike's Hard Lemonade to minors so why would I make brownies for them? It should be no different for marijuana than it is for alcohol.

Even though brownies would be less harmful I am not inclined to do so just because it is legal for me.

We are about to make marijuana legal for all here in California so what then would be the difference then?

NONE.

Contact your CongressPerson and help them think it through too.

Is this "public safety first" group retarded?

#31 | Posted by nullifidian

yes...apparently they haven't looked at the budget lately and really love the concept of making California a prison colony. Much safer if everyone is locked up.

Wow, such ignorance and willful disregard for reality. Diane and her handlers need to go.

So, I don't provide Mike's Hard Lemonade to minors so why would I make brownies for them? It should be no different for marijuana than it is for alcohol.

#37 | Posted by donnerboy

Right on! Now the powers-that-be are trying to use this same excuse to ban Blunt Wraps because they are a flavored tobacco product.

Wow congress violates the Constitution again. They are only allowed to regulate interstate commerce. I was not aware that anyone was selling and shipping pot brownies from state to state.

They just do not have the power to regulate anything inside a state.
I do not care if it is pot that I am against the federal gov does not have the constitutional right to regulate it if its inside a state.

Only the states can pass such laws.

Its about time that we force congress to comply with the Constitution and stop trying to regulate what goes on inside our states.

Perhaps its time to pass a constitutional amendment that would allow the states with a 2/3 vote to nullify any federal law.

Wow congress violates the Constitution again. They are only allowed to regulate interstate commerce. I was not aware that anyone was selling and shipping pot brownies from state to state.

Posted by tmaster at 2010-08-04 12:27 PM | Reply

Seems to me since they are trading pot brownies for FEDERALLY ISSUED Currency then Yes they have a right to regulate intrastate commerce.. Sorry

Oh and I am sure some of those ingredients in said pot brownies came across interstate highways as well. If you want to get down to brass tacks about it

Pot brownies has nothing to do with kids. This is yet another sign that those making the laws are 100% out of touch with those they pass the laws to regulate.

So, I don't provide Mike's Hard Lemonade to minors so why would I make brownies for them? It should be no different for marijuana than it is for alcohol.
#37 | Posted by donnerboy

So what, toss some nugg in your favorite whole grain bread recipe if your worried about the health issues of smoking it. Brownies... give me a break... deal with it.

Pumpernickel bread will keep 'em away from your stash :^D

#46 | Posted by R0B0T

Exactly...When will our politicians get real?

It is a simple truth in labeling issue. The law should be that it is illegal to mislabel a pot brownies or candies (which is related to another issue which is how are going to insure we know the potency of
THC in these these drug transportation systems).

Simply put it should be illegal for minors to have them. Not illegal to for me to make them.

As for someone stealing/sneaking one...well we have laws against stealing already. Personally I think my kids would regret it if they stole my brownies...they are pretty potent. And by the way if you ever find stems and seeds in a real pot brownie you are doing it wrong..they aren't made that way. You make Pot butter and use the butter like regular butter. So think of how many things can be made using butter and you will get an idea of how stupid this law really is. Is Pot butter going to be illegal too?

The world is changing and we all need to keep up. The Era of Pot Prohibition is coming to an end. Time to grow up America.

AS a parent if I was concerned about my child sneaking Pot then I will drug test them and take whatever action I deem appropriate.

This law is a lie anyway. Pot is not a "dangerous drug".

If you want to "save kids from Dangerous Drugs" why are we going after Pot anyway? Go after the Dangerous Drugs. More kids are harmed by prescription medicines than were ever harmed by pot.

This just a last gasp effort by the Drug War Warriors to muddy the waters and confuse the simple minded amongst us.

They would rather the kids use fire utensils, which in-turn start fires. The money made from the fire clean-ups/prosecutions will help pay for local governments' expenditures.

AS a parent if I was concerned about my child sneaking Pot then I will drug test them and take whatever action I deem appropriate.

If you were concerned about your kids sneaking pot you wouldn't have in the house. I know----What a low-down God-forsaken sacrifice to make. Life is truly Hell.

They make tests for the parents that the kids don't even know are being done. Pot, when smoked, leaves traces on couches and other furniture. They sell a spray that will tell you if pot has been smoked in a room.

If you were concerned about your kids sneaking pot you wouldn't have in the house.

right... like we all do with beer and alcohol and tylenol and cough medicine and aspirin and prescription meds and cable tv and oh yes and guns.

yer such a puritan tard. I feel so sorry for your kids (if you have any).

"Like we all do with beer, etc. etc....."

It was a forgone conclusion you'd choose the brownies over the kids not having access to the brownies. Drugs are important to drug-users. I imagine that will be a lesson your kids learn very early.

But by all means make sure you drug-test the little tykes for daring to follow your example. Don't be surprised if other drug-using adults teach them how to fox whatever kits you buy.

The drug-testing industry is another part of the police/prison-industrial complex. First we tested people in certain occupations, such as airline pilots. Then they got professional athletes. And then students going out for extracurricular activities.

If these authoritarian control-freaks had their way, everybody would be drug-tested.

Life is truly Hell.

#50 | Posted by Zed

not for me it's not. I have my script. Life is good. My kids have been raised to respect my authority in my house. They don't steal brownies and they don't steal my meds from the bathroom cabinet either.

I feel for the rest of you though. Paranoia will destroy ya! And poor Zed...he will never know the self esteem and therapeutic value growing your own and not being reliant on Big Pharma.

I think if you really talked to The Jesus (and not some construct conjured up by your brain) He would tell you it is a good thing to not promote the evil that has been perpetrated on America these many years.

You wanna do some good for America then go after the Alcohol Industry.

Alcohol Kills...Cannabis does not.

"Yer such a puritan tard. I feel sorry for your kids (if you have any)...."

Because I wouldn't let them play in the same house with the "Brownie Man"? Get stoned and feel sorry, then find me someone who cares.

I think if you really talked to The Jesus (and not some construct conjured up by your brain) He would tell you it is a good thing to not promote the evil that has been perpetrated on America these many years.

I've told you my position of de-criminalization and legalization countless times. That's not enough for you. You want someone to salute the banner of cannabis as it's being raised, apparently.

You often appear to be just another Yahoo offering an infinite number of reasons why taking parenting seriously is just too much for you.

"I think if you really talked to The Jesus (and not some construct conjured up by your brain) He would tell you it is a good thing to not promote the evil that has been perpetrated on America these many years."

Jesus talked to me today. He said: vote yes on Prop. 19.

Jesus talked to me today. He said: vote yes on Prop. 19.

Well, then----See you in church.

Drugs are important to drug-users

ummmm Duh!!!

Is a pain killer important to someone who has pain?

Cannabis is no different in that respect to me than any other drug.

I use cannabis to manage my migraines.

Except I don't have to pay anyone to get it.

Who are YOU Zed to say I should not have access to my drug?

not for me it's not. I have my script. Life is good. My kids have been raised to respect my authority in my house. They don't steal brownies and they don't steal my meds from the bathroom cabinet either.

Stealing bad, drug-use good. Yes, I fully understand. So do your kids, who will likely come into any future problems with chemicals honestly---Just the way daddy taught them.

"Who are YOU to say I should not have access to my drug...."

My point being the obvious one: you've starkly stated that NOTHING comes between you and your Precious.

Because I wouldn't let them play in the same house with the "Brownie Man"?

because you don't know how to teach them to make the right choices in life without controlling their every move. You think that by censoring life you are helping them?

Good luck with that philosophy.

Your kids are probably going to end up gay and stoned. This will be God's lesson to you.

Karma is a bitch.

"Because you don't know how to teach them to make the right choices...."

One of those right choices being: Avoid the drug world and the users that comprise it. How that could be bad advice eludes me.

I'm sorry that you have migraines, by the way. But forgive me when I state something that's quite true: the number of persons who have conflabulated a disorder precisely to utilize a drug is endless.

you've starkly stated that NOTHING comes between you and your Precious.

#63 | Posted by Zed

My ring of invisibility? You are right.. no one can fit between me and my ring.

I stated no such thing. What a tard.

Stealing bad, drug-use good.

Stealing is bad...says so right in yer Guide to the Galaxy. Didn't see in there where drug use was bad though...so what's yer bitch?

Drug use is normal...drug abuse is bad.

a bit too subtle for you I know but a big difference.

look at it this way and maybe you will understand

Some religion is good...extreme fundamentalism is bad

get it?

prolly not.

done...and out...fer now.

"Your kids are probably going to end up gay and stoned...."

Not likely given their ages at the moment. Sorry to tell you---But lack of drug abuse seems to have suited them all up to this point in time. Go figure.

"Drug-use is normal...."

Triumphant drug use is just sick. A symptom.

"Who are YOU to say I should not have access to my drug...."

#61 | Posted by donnerboy at 2010-08-04 03:27 PM

We're not saying you shouldn't have access to your drugs, just that maybe you ought to share 'em with the rest of us. : )

"I stated no such thing...."

Of course you didn't. I can see where you find lack of imagination useful at times. If you can't conceptualize it you don't have to worry about it.

We're not saying you shouldn't have access to your drugs, just that maybe you ought to share 'em with the rest of us. : )

That's pretty much all I did say----But I said it to the man who will argue on the one hand his kids would never get into his stuff and then on the other state that kids will get into anything they damn well please.

"Drug-use is normal...."

Triumphant drug use is just sick. A symptom.

#69 | Posted by Zed

never used an aspirin? coffee? cough meds? allergy meds? heart meds? cholesterol meds? Depression meds? Thyroid meds?

Drug use is normal. Drug ABUSE is not. You are discounting a whole segment of society. Doctors use drugs every day. Are you saying this is not normal?

What are you one of those creeps that would withhold treatment to someone so you could pray they get well?

do you even read what you write?

We're not saying you shouldn't have access to your drugs, just that maybe you ought to share 'em with the rest of us. : )

#70 | Posted by CalifChris

Gladly CC!

I have my script. Life is good.

#56 | Posted by donnerboy

Script or not, let us hope you are not whiz-quizzed for whatever reason and you run afoul of Fed Regs.

You could lose your job, pay a fine, and/or land in jail, whatever manner the Feds choose to dick with you.

So Life could go Bad.

What are you one of those creeps that would withhold treatment to someone so you could pray they get well?

I've had that discussion with you. Several times.

do you even read what you write?

I'm thinking you have a difficult time recalling what I write. All I've argued is that adults, if they really want to be adults, don't teach kids to use, either directly or by example.

You disagree with that. I understand.

never used an aspirin? coffee? cough meds? allergy meds? heart meds? cholesterol meds? Depression meds? Thyroid meds?

I'm afraid that I've never seen a triumphant use of cholesterol medication, as one example.

I have seen a lot of Yahoos crow about dope. Why is that?

I don't think it's a matter of provisioning, rather knowing the likelihood of kid able to resist stealing a brownie or two off a plate when no one is looking is next to nil. Plus, a kid takes a sip of his "lemonade" he know right away he made a mistake. You can munch down a whole plate of brownies and not know what you've just eaten... even if you've come across a couple stems & seeds in the process. Mike's Hard Lemonade is a bit of a stretch, but I get your point. Joe Camel is no longer a spokesperson for Camel... I consider that more ridiculous than keeping dank skunk out of unlabeled tabletop snacks. Let's not be a bunch of asses here.
So what, toss some nugg in your favorite whole grain bread recipe if your worried about the health issues of smoking it. Brownies... give me a break... deal with it.
#46 | Posted by R0B0T

Exactly...When will our politicians get real?
It is a simple truth in labeling issue. The law should be that it is illegal to mislabel a pot brownies or candies (which is related to another issue which is how are going to insure we know the potency of
THC in these these drug transportation systems).
Simply put it should be illegal for minors to have them. Not illegal to for me to make them.
As for someone stealing/sneaking one...well we have laws against stealing already. Personally I think my kids would regret it if they stole my brownies...they are pretty potent. And by the way if you ever find stems and seeds in a real pot brownie you are doing it wrong..they aren't made that way. You make Pot butter and use the butter like regular butter. So think of how many things can be made using butter and you will get an idea of how stupid this law really is. Is Pot butter going to be illegal too?
The world is changing and we all need to keep up. The Era of Pot Prohibition is coming to an end. Time to grow up America.
AS a parent if I was concerned about my child sneaking Pot then I will drug test them and take whatever action I deem appropriate.
This law is a lie anyway. Pot is not a "dangerous drug".
If you want to "save kids from Dangerous Drugs" why are we going after Pot anyway? Go after the Dangerous Drugs. More kids are harmed by prescription medicines than were ever harmed by pot.
This just a last gasp effort by the Drug War Warriors to muddy the waters and confuse the simple minded amongst us.
#48 | Posted by donnerboy

A drug, broadly speaking, is any substance that, when absorbed into the body of a living organism, alters normal bodily function. There is no single, precise definition, as there are different meanings in drug control law, government regulations, medicine, and colloquial usage. Dictionary. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug

Sucrose is the organic compound commonly known as table sugar and sometimes called saccharose. This white, odorless, crystalline powder has a pleasing, sweet taste. It is best known for its role in human nutrition. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucrose

Seems to me if You ever ate sweets as a kid as a pick me up then You are guilty of drug usage. If You had more than Your share of said sweet substance then You are in fact a drug abuser. No different than coffee nicotine alcohol etc etc etc etc

Larry

#79 | Posted by LarryMohr
Jeez, haven't heard that argument before (sarcasm).

Larry... if one could be guilty of semantics abuse...

"The fact that you're spiking sweets (intended for children anyway) so that you can eat nugg in comfort is irresponsible."

Sweets are only intended for children? What planet are you living on? The fact is that many medical marijuana users do not want to, or cannot, due to respiratory problems, smoke cannabis. Edibles are simply a different form of ingestion.

" That's just too big of a gamble for me… especially when our kids are the ante."

"Our kids"? You take care of your own kids. They are not "ours" and not the responsibility of other adults. Don't like it? Don't have kids.

Yes Null, candy is for kids. It's highly unhealthy for you to eat junk food.
Just wondering how many of you brownie eaters are fat too... Go on, say it's from the diabetes... I dare you. :^D

"Yes Null, candy is for kids."

You don't know the adults I do. They like cake, pies, brownies, ice cream, chocolate, etc. Most adults do, so I don't know where you get this nonsense.

"Edibles are simply a different form of ingestion...."

That children are expected to especially relate to. Everyone indeed likes brownies.

It's a bit hard to get around the notion that a kid will swipe a brownie if he gets the chance.

What consequences should follow an adult who bakes a batch of magic brownies and then leaves them accessible to third parties, most particularly kids?

The fact that you're spiking sweets (intended for children anyway) so that you can eat nugg in comfort is irresponsible. It has nothing to do with laws against steeling… you gonna' call the cops on your kid if they "steal" one of your brownies, are ya? You don't do that if they nab a slice of cake w/o asking do you?

I am not sure where you decided that we were doing this. I make brownies for me... I don't leave them laying around so kids can "nab" them. The dispensaries require a script and that you are over 18 so they can't get them there either. As I said this is a only "labeling" issue as we need to make sure there are no surprises.

Yes that would be irresponsible to leave unmarked brownies lying around and why is it you assume that this is happening? I don't see any rash of cases of this being reported so where did you come up with it? OH...you ASSumed it.

And why would you think I would call the cops for my kids stealing my brownies? That is stupid, of course and my teenagers are smart enough to know that! Do you think I call the cops if my one of my kids hits the other? That is assault and against the law too. No, I am the law in my house. Judge jury and executioner. Ok maybe my wife is the judge and jury but at least I still get to be the executioner! I have ways of making them pay! Jokin, of course, but if they don't obey our law THEN we would seek support from outside the home. WE don't have that problem thankfully. Do you?

And why is it you place cannabis on this pedestal anyway and try to treat it any different from any other drug you have in your house? Could it be because you have been brainwashed to thinking it is evil? Do you have any alcohol in your house. OMG you are so irresponsible! Did you know that shit can kill you? I hope you keep it locked up!

Just like I can have alcohol or guns as an adult in my home and in my possession (in front of my kids)I can have these things but I don't let my kids "nab" them while I ain't looking. That is called good parenting.

And yes I am passionate about this subject. Not so much for me..as I said Life is good I have a script...but we are about to vote here in California. Lives and billions of dollars are in the balance. I win either way but I believe it is cruel and unusual punishment to imprison someone and destroy their lives and their families for smoking or eating a little pot and this "brownie" bill is not going to help with that one bit. This is a retarded bill and will only make matters worse.

Dangerous Drug my ass!

And for future reference, you won't ever need to school me on how to process pot young fella'.

don't say stupid shit and I won't have to correct ya....there are no stems and seeds in a pot brownie...but you should be able to smell the difference and thank you for calling me young...

"Could it be you're brainwashed into thinking that it's evil.....?"

Substances of intoxication should be considered with the same respect you'd give a loaded gun.

Substances of intoxication should be considered with the same respect you'd give a loaded gun.

#89 | Posted by Zed

Substances of intoxication....like religion?

"It's a bit hard to get around the notion that a kid will swipe a brownie if he gets the chance."

That's up to parent to deal with this, not other adults. Kids will also swipe alcohol and prescription drugs and guns and all kinds of things. Mind your own business, and mind your own children.

Substances of intoxication....like religion?

One of the more brain-dead, but indeed self-serving, things that drugsters like to do is identify WHATEVER as being a drug. Makes drug-consumption more normal, from their point of view.

"It's a bit hard to get around the notion that a kid will swipe a brownie if he gets the chance."

yeah and I mix real bullets with blanks just to see the surprised look on the kids faces. I love to punk em like that!

"Mind your own business...."

If your kids indeed get into the magic brownies, is that child neglect?

"I love to punk them like that...."

You treat it like candy, kids treat it like candy. Drug-dealers used to be known as Candymen. I assume they still are.

Makes drug-consumption more normal, from their point of view.

#92 | Posted by Zed

More psycho babble from the Puritan...one thing is for sure...from my point of view I am more "normal" than you. Are you sure you haven't been in rehab? You sound like a recovering alcoholic!

and even if I am not "normal" at least I am not cruel and heartless and I don't condemn thousands to jail unnecessarily.

"From my point of view I am more normal than you are....."

The validity of your point of view is what's at issue here.

You treat it like candy, kids treat it like candy. Drug-dealers used to be known as Candymen. I assume they still are.

#95 | Posted by Zed

more reefer madness bullshit... I don't treat it like candy I treat it like cannabis that is in a form that is easy to take.

You have no idea how smart kids are on this subject. They are obviously smarter than you.

and you assume....what does that make you?

need I say more?

"I don't condemn thousands to jail...."

From what I'm able to tell, neither you or NULLIFIDIAN would even react if the kids did get into your stashes because of your carelessness, lack of maturity, or simple accident.

If your kids get into your drugs, that's on you. You're going to still need to explain yourselves to Child Welfare. Thank God.

"You have no idea how smart kids are on this subject...."

What bullshit. Stupid people use drugs for stupid reasons everyday. A large portion of them are young, many frankly kids, because that's where the stupid factor is skewed for obvious reasons.

"Drug-dealers used to be known as Candymen. I assume they still are."

#95 | Posted by Zedat 2010-08-04 05:35 PM | Reply | Flag: can't tell cocaine from marijuana

It refers to "nose candy" you sanctimonious liar.

Not only do stupid people use drugs for stupid reasons, they use them for stupid reasons in stupid ways, in very stupid quantities, with very stupid frequency.

You are impossibly, self-protectively, naive.

"Are you sure you haven't been in rehab? You sound like a recovering alcoholic!"

No wonder. AA is like a religion. They give you a "Bible", have regular meetings, preach that if you stray from the path bad things will happen to you, etc. And no, I've never been to AA but I have friends who have and we've discussed at length. I'm not saying its all bad either. Some people need that kind of structure to keep them out of trouble.

"It refers to nose candy...."

"Candyman" became a generic term ages ago, you hipster you.

The validity of your point of view is what's at issue here.

#97 | Posted by Zed

hmmm sounds like to me you are guilty of being a little Ad hominem abusive here.

"Not only do stupid people use drugs for stupid reasons, they use them for stupid reasons in stupid ways, in very stupid quantities, with very stupid frequency."

As if suckers who waste all their time and money at their church are a bunch of geniuses. LOL.

"Not only do stupid people use drugs for stupid reasons, they use them for stupid reasons in stupid ways, in very stupid quantities, with very stupid frequency."

As if suckers who waste all their time and money at their church are a bunch of geniuses. LOL.

"Ad hominem...."

If I told you that I respected your specific attitude towards drugs I'd be a liar. Talk to ZAT if you want respect. He's famous for that.

All I can tell you is that we waste our time and money being sober, SULLY. That never seems like much fun to any stoner.

ZATOICHI uses YoutTube to speak for him, in much the same way that some gorillas have been taught to communicate using sign language.

From what I'm able to tell, neither you or NULLIFIDIAN would even react if the kids did get into your stashes because of your carelessness, lack of maturity, or simple accident.

If your kids get into your drugs, that's on you. You're going to still need to explain yourselves to Child Welfare. Thank God.

#99 | Posted by Zed

Riiiight...you ASSUME all this right?

Riiiight...you ASSUME all this right?

You've both been asked and demurred any response. You can burn a moment now and make a statement for the record. I ain't stopping you.

Too bad Zed will never achieve the intellectual and emotional heights of Koko.

If I told you that I respected your specific attitude towards drugs I'd be a liar.

If you told me you loved me in the morning I wouldn't believe you either.

I don't care if you agree with my logic as I know you never will but to dismiss it because of my lifestyle is your logical fallacy.

I am going to have to invalidate your whole argument now. So good day to your sir.

I said good day!

"I ain't stopping you...."

And your freedom remains unimpeded.

Given your lack of a definite position on such a straightforward question, you think your views on drugs should be respected....Why?

You can burn a moment now and make a statement for the record. I ain't stopping you.

#113 | Posted by Zed

wait! did he just say we could burn one Nulli?

No?

fine! I outa here...

I said good day to you Sir!

"All I can tell you is that we waste our time and money being sober, SULLY. That never seems like much fun to any stoner."

To each their own. Most stoners are harmless. Most people who are taken advantage of by religion are harmless. Plenty of examples exist to contradict the last two sentences but I'm speaking in general.

I understand where you get the attitude that your waste of time and money is superior to someone else's but that is more a perception on your part than a reality. So the condescending attitude is quite offputting.

And good day to you, DONNER. Keep the brownie pan secure from the kids. Even in California person who don't aren't viewed with much sympathy.

"So the condescending attitude is off-putting....."

If intoxicated people didn't behave as if they were intoxicated, there wouldn't be much room for an argument between us, would there?

Unfortunately, there is the obvious truth of the matter, isn't there?

Zed every time I read your sanctimonious holier than thou bullshit posts, I just imagine Dana Carvey talking and I crack up.

Zed,

You still don't get it do you? It's not that you don't want drugs in your life that bugs us we can respect that. It's that you pull off this morally superior act and try and tell us what to do that bugs us.

I don't really give a rat's ass what you do with your time and money so why do you give a rat's ass what I do with my time and money?

Your (sic) like a cartoon of a real human being, or something.

Interesting comment, given the number of chronic marijuana users I have encountered who spend their days watching Lonney Tunes festivals on the tube, or the equivalent.

Doesn't give me any pleasure at all to see such wasted lives, given many of these are people I've known forever. And wasted intellects, given many of them are (or were) very smart.

Could pot brownies be the invention of

oh

I don't know

SATAN!?!?!?!

" I have encountered who spend their days watching Lonney(sic) Tunes festivals "

Yeah.

Richard Branson, Ted Turner, ... those guys.

Zed,
They would have gone there anyway.

I on the other hand, know plenty of productive type A citizens who imbibe of both the fruit and the bud.

Maybe its the crowd you hang out with Zed, did you ever consider that?

But to tell the truth, it is a kick to watch the old Warner Brothers cartoons after a couple of hits! I just love when Bugs and Elmer interface with movie stars of the 1930's and 40's. Great stuff!

"They would have gone there anyway...."

In many cases, you are just so, so wrong. This idea that the chemicals are harmless, the people are flawed----This has obviously been raised to the status of a myth. Take comfort in it. Afterall, it was created out your deep personal need.

Richard Branson thinks you're a nerd who has wasted his life, ZAT.

This idea that the chemicals are harmless, the people are flawed----This has obviously been raised to the status of a myth.

And it makes an excellent strawman for you doesn't it?

What Chemicals? All Chemicals are not harmful either. Are you a Technophobe as well as a Chemophobe?

Wow congress violates the Constitution again. They are only allowed to regulate interstate commerce. I was not aware that anyone was selling and shipping pot brownies from state to state.
Posted by tmaster at 2010-08-04 12:27 PM

Seems to me since they are trading pot brownies for FEDERALLY ISSUED Currency then Yes they have a right to regulate intrastate commerce.. Sorry
#43 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2010-08-04 12:33 PM

Then we should expect outsourcing for Chinese brownies putting our hip grandparents out of business.

you've starkly stated that NOTHING comes between you and your Precious.
#63 | Posted by Zed

My ring of invisibility? You are right.. no one can fit between me and my ring.
I stated no such thing. What a tard.

"Stealing bad, drug-use good."

Stealing is bad...says so right in yer Guide to the Galaxy. Didn't see in there where drug use was bad though...so what's yer bitch?
Drug use is normal...drug abuse is bad.
a bit too subtle for you I know but a big difference.
look at it this way and maybe you will understand
Some religion is good...extreme fundamentalism is bad
get it?
prolly not.
done...and out...fer now.
#67 | Posted by donnerboy at 2010-08-04 03:37 PM

He knows full-well that it is:

For the love of Mary, this is what we are paying these people for? Don't we have bigger issues at hand than pot brownies? POT BROWNIES???

I've eaten pot brownies before, and nothing happened. I don't see pot brownies as being a major threat.

And this was introduced by Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California?? Won't this be a mute point once pot is legal in California?

Sorry .... forgot it was Silly Season.

The validity of your point of view is what's at issue here.

#97 | Posted by Zed at 2010-08-04 05:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

For real? YOU are going to discuss the VALIDITY of an argument about weed?

HA HA HA HO HO HO HEE HEE HEE! Oh my God you are hysterical!

Haven't we already talked about this?

Peace

The validity of your point of view is what's at issue here.

#97 | Posted by Zed at 2010-08-04 05:38 PM | Reply | Flag: point of view is invalid

Make the world a better place Zed.
Kill yourself.

Make the world a better place Zed.
Kill yourself.

#137 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2010-08-05 08:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

C'mon Zat (my brother in arms).......Don't be a hater.

Emotional kneejerk responses will only hurt the cause and make us no better than the ill-informed Feinsteins and Zeds in the world.

What I've learned here is that Zed (through, I assume no fault of his own), was led to believe (metaphorically speaking) that the Earth is flat instead of round. So he is convinced that this is the truth. Rather than discovering the truth for himself, he accepted what he was told and therefore defends from that position. Until he gets on a boat and discovers for himself that the world is round, no amount of debate will convince him otherwise.

I've said it before, "just because you see A light, does not mean you see THE light or are enlightened".

Peace

Haven't we already talked about this?

Peace

Peace to you as well, certainly. But, despite our little talk, I'm the one who is right. Good luck with whatever drugs you use. -

"Kill yourself...."

Ever had any luck with that line, ZAT?

"Maybe it's the crowd you hang out with, ZED, did you ever consider that....?"

BOO, I'm going to recommend that you read "A Scanner Darkly", by Phillip K. Dick. But I want you to especially read the postscript and dedication the author makes at the end of the book.

Phil said it all better than anyone I've encountered.

"Maybe it's the crowd you hang out with, ZED, did you ever consider that....?"

BOO, I'm going to recommend that you read "A Scanner Darkly", by Phillip K. Dick. But I want you to especially read the postscript and dedication the author makes at the end of the book.

Phil said it all better than anyone I've encountered.

#141 | Posted by Zed at 2010-08-05 10:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

Zed, the quote you're referencing is not mine (i'm just saying, in case you wanted the person who's quote you are attributing to me to read "Scanner Darkly".

Regardless, Phillip K. Dick IS a great author ("Do androids dream of electric sheep", "We'll remember it for you wholesale" which became Bladerunner and Total Recall)..... Could you sum up the quote for me? (I don't have the book").
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Peace to you as well, certainly. But, despite our little talk, I'm the one who is right. Good luck with whatever drugs you use. -

#139 | Posted by Zed at 2010-08-05 10:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

I am willing to admit that you MAY be right (what exactly are you right about?) But are you open-minded enough to admit the same about others with differing viewpoints than yours? Am I to just assume that you are right just because you SAY so? PLease, my brother, you would not accept that argument from me.

The thing that I do not understand is that not once, have I seen anyone advocating giving drugs (or alcohol or cigarettes) to children, yet, that is the defensive stance that you continually take. Personally, I think that kids today ARE over medicated (who heard of Ridlin 10 years ago?)

That is taking the same stance that gay marriage is wrong because children might find out that gay people exist and do fall in love and wish to commit to each other. Children already know that drugs and gays exist. Children NEED to know that there are many different lifestyles and just because a particular way is not right for some, does NOT mean it is wrong for all.

It's a matter of education my friend. Children who live in homes with guns are less likely to injure theirselves or others if they are educated on gun safety and the dangers associated with them. But leave it up to them to find the gun on their own and to learn by trial and error only leads to disaster.

Just saying no, dont do that cuz "I say so and I'm right", leads to rebellion and contradiction (you were a kid once, is this not a true statement)? Education my friend is the key.

Peace

"It's a matter of education, my friend...."

In a strange way I agree with you. Parents are forever educating their kids about drugs. Just not in the way you mean. The first and the worst casualties of substances are always the young ones, who always think they have a clue (in fact, insist and sewar that they do), but rarely know their asses from holes in the ground.

It's the same attitude I've often seen projected here. A lot of "experts" who are merely older children still playing in the street with traffic. The kids that haven't been run-over yet are of course the ones yelling loudest it's all quite safe.

What I've encoutnered here, and it's quite interesting to me, is a positive mythology concerning drug-use that appears to have sprung up over the years. It's entirely as rabid as the "drug-warrior" stuff some complain about, and just as detached from reality.

Substance use may cease to be primarily a criminal issue, but it's never going to cease being a public health issue. Drug-users won't be able to make it all warm and fuzzy except to themselves, most other people see through that.

But the warm and fuzzy conviction they'll have until such time as they hit their personal brick wall with substances and their stoner buddies start calling them weaklings.

"Substance use may cease to be primarily a criminal issue, but it's never going to cease being a public health issue."

Do you ever drink coffee?

I couldn't possibly do Phil justice, BOO. But the same postscript appears at the end of the movie made of the book. A more eloquent statement by someone who has been there and done that (as opposed to someone who just is there at the moment) perhaps cannot be found.

"If intoxicated people didn't behave as if they were intoxicated, there wouldn't be much room for an argument between us, would there?

Unfortunately, there is the obvious truth of the matter, isn't there?"

It depends on the person. I know people who act like they are mentally handicapped when they are high. I know people who you can't tell at all. You might too. They just don't tell you because they know better.....

I'll clue you in on another thing too: People who go on and on about their imaginary friend aren't any more fun to be around that someone who can't handle his buzz.

"I'll clue you in on another thing, too...."

Absolutely no need to. As I've often stated, I like my side of the fence fine and am absolutely clear why I do so.

Legalization of drugs is proceeding for practical reasons, and because people really don't know what else to do. It's the furthest thing removed from a Children's Crusade.

The chemically-impacted contribution to culture you see everyday. It's nothing but a shambling corpse. It needs to be described that way.

I am not sure where you decided that we were doing this. I make brownies for me... I don't leave them laying around so kids can "nab" them. The dispensaries require a script and that you are over 18 so they can't get them there either. As I said this is a only "labeling" issue as we need to make sure there are no surprises.
#88 | Posted by donnerboy

Yes that would be irresponsible to leave unmarked brownies lying around and why is it you assume that this is happening? I don't see any rash of cases of this being reported so where did you come up with it? OH...you ASSumed it.
#88 | Posted by donnerboy

And why would you think I would call the cops for my kids stealing my brownies? That is stupid, of course and my teenagers are smart enough to know that! Do you think I call the cops if my one of my kids hits the other? That is assault and against the law too. No, I am the law in my house. Judge jury and executioner. Ok maybe my wife is the judge and jury but at least I still get to be the executioner! I have ways of making them pay! Jokin, of course, but if they don't obey our law THEN we would seek support from outside the home. WE don't have that problem thankfully. Do you?
#88 | Posted by donnerboy

And why is it you place cannabis on this pedestal anyway and try to treat it any different from any other drug you have in your house? Could it be because you have been brainwashed to thinking it is evil? Do you have any alcohol in your house. OMG you are so irresponsible! Did you know that shit can kill you? I hope you keep it locked up!
#88 | Posted by donnerboy

Just like I can have alcohol or guns as an adult in my home and in my possession (in front of my kids)I can have these things but I don't let my kids "nab" them while I ain't looking. That is called good parenting.
#88 | Posted by donnerboy

And yes I am passionate about this subject. Not so much for me..as I said Life is good I have a script...but we are about to vote here in California. Lives and billions of dollars are in the balance. I win either way but I believe it is cruel and unusual punishment to imprison someone and destroy their lives and their families for smoking or eating a little pot and this "brownie" bill is not going to help with that one bit. This is a retarded bill and will only make matters worse.
#88 | Posted by donnerboy

Dangerous Drug my ass!
#88 | Posted by donnerboy

don't say stupid shit and I won't have to correct ya....there are no stems and seeds in a pot brownie...but you should be able to smell the difference and thank you for calling me young...
#88 | Posted by donnerboy

"It's a bit hard to get around the notion that a kid will swipe a brownie if he gets the chance."

yeah and I mix real bullets with blanks just to see the surprised look on the kids faces. I love to punk em like that!
#93 | Posted by donnerboy

Zed,

There is a vast difference in different chemicals and how they affect public health and society in general. The fact that you are trying to equate pot heads to heroin junkies is why people keep arguing with you. Maybe that's what you want, but it serves no productive purpose. I am raising a child whose mother died from heroin so I am well aware of the public health and societal impact of heroin. Trying to line up me with her is so wrong that it is in fact insulting. Once again maybe that is your goal.

If you want to argue the effects of pot lets go, if you want to argue the effects of heroin lets go, but keep them separate.

Robot,

I agree that if you have a house with kids having drug laced sweets lying around is a bad idea. The problem with the law is it does not distinguish between households with kids and without. If a single guy living in a one bedroom apartment wants to make some brownies more power too him IMHO, however the law now says (or will soon say) that is illegal.

Once again passing laws to "protect" kids is primarily a vehicle for reducing rights of adults. Why can't the law be if you expose children to drug laced sweets, which sorry donner would screw you, but would a least not screw every adult in the country.

"I know people who act like they are mentally handicapped when they are high. I know people who you can't tell at all. "

Zed has these amazing powers that allow him to spot someone high on cannabis at 50 yards.

Robot, you have provided some very clear and concise arguments on why you take the stand that you take in that one is more inclined to think about your arguments rather than dismiss them out of hand as recapitulations of belief.

Putting herb into brownies rather than pumpernickle is the the same reason why one would make jello shooters rather than marzipan shots (if anyone is a fan of ...ugh.... marzipan, just insert another food to maintain the context of the argument, the point should still be understood unless you don't want to understand). It's just a different presentation of the product, no more no less.

There is a presumed risk that children "could" get ahold of one (just like they "could" get into the jello shooters or herb laced pumpernickle). However, that would be more of an argument to make new laws regarding bad parenting. There are already laws about not leaving unattended children in parked cars, but it happens every day.

It's like trying to blame the gun for firing the bullet rather than the person with their finger on the trigger.

One would presume that the jello shooters are being made for a party or a gathering, one in which one could also presume the children are not intended to attend. Do you know anyone who would make a batch of jello shooters and polish them off while watching Spongebob with the kids? I don't. And I would also presume that they would act accordingly with their brownies.

"It's nothing but a shambling corpse. It needs to be described that way."

Same can just as easily be said about religion.

And the rediculous hypocrisy continues.

Pot brownies BAD!!!

Bubblegum flavored Vodka GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!

For ZED:

How much pot does it take nowadays to land you in jail?

Personally I'd have to be caught with over 3 lbs where I live to get in any trouble. If I am transporting and I get pulled over with less than that and I have my script I am legal. They have to let me go. AND they let you keep your pot. In my house I can have 99 total plants X each script in the household. So for me that 188.

Like I said....Life is good.

However, you forget that while it's deemed "illegal", & knowing what the results of breaking said laws are, aren't you the one taking the chance of destroying your family - being that it's ultimately your choice to participate in its usage?

Again...it is NOT illegal for me to grow and use pot. I have a script. My wife has a script. Much like you can brew 200 gallons of beer and 200 gallons of wine a year. But, I don't like alcohol...it kills.

R0B0- been a pleasure discussing this with you...you have steered away from the insults and at least made me think.

I will continue to be vigilant but I would never mix my brownies with the kids brownies anymore than I would mix prescription meds or with the kids vitamins or alcohol with with their juice.

Screw the brownies… I'd rather fight for keeping kids, who are simply acting like kids, from being deemed as hyper-active or something, and off the doctor-prescribed anti-psychotics.

Agreed... there are so many other important issues we need to be dealing with instead of fueling anti-pot hysteria.

I have not researched this so I could be wrong but I bet there is already a law against giving anyone any drug without their knowledge or consent.

I don't know where you live Donner, but you are my new best friend and I'm wanna come visit.

Zed,

There is a vast difference in different chemicals and how they affect public health and society in general. The fact that you are trying to equate pot heads to heroin junkies is why people keep arguing with you. Maybe that's what you want, but it serves no productive purpose. I am raising a child whose mother died from heroin so I am well aware of the public health and societal impact of heroin. Trying to line up me with her is so wrong that it is in fact insulting. Once again maybe that is your goal.

There is a vast difference between different chemicals. There is no necessary difference between the pot users and the heroin users. This insight comes from the ex-pot and the ex-heroin users, who start with the knowledge of the vast difference between heroin and marijuana, and not from me.

There's a whole dimension to this you've never considered. You need to ask the people who know, not the cheerleaders who pretend to know.

Zed Flanders is a paid astro-turfer for Eli Lilly. Right now, you lemon-sucking bible-thumper, I'm taking three prescription medications--all prescribed to me by one doctor, two of which are on Schedule 1. May I continue taking these, or only the ones do you approve of, Dr. Zed?

For the record: there are no children in my house. Any plate of pot brownies I might have on the kitchen table is safe from Feinstein's theoretical hordes of tiny cleptomaniacs all zeroing in on my cannibus confections like zombies looking for brains to eat. If I expect one to grace my man cave, I'm the kind of guy that would proactively kid-proof the place beforehand, the particulars of which would depend entirely on the age of my little visitor. For example: I have a couple of expensive guitars that I'd put back in the case, lest they wind up with greasy hand prints all over them. Then there's the gun locker.

When are you prohibitionist fucks going to finally realize that I don't care about your children? They're your progeny and I'm not responsible if junior enters my home with or without your supervision and takes something without asking. If any child is being raised in a home where there's habitually a plate of pot brownies placed within easy reach, there's a good probability that the home is loaded with other "dangerous" things junior should keep his hands off of--and probably within easy reach to boot. I'm not going to be responsible for anyone's bad parenting skills.

Keep yer kid's grubby little mitts off my meds! This is transparent low-rent mid-term electioneering. I dashed Ms. Feinstein off a little letter containing my displeasure at hearing, that with all the other pressing issues facing our country, she'd play the "I'm just looking out for the kids" card. No, Ms. Feinstein...you're not. You're fishing for the Zed vote.

" In my house I can have 99 total plants X each script in the household. So for me that 188.
Like I said....Life is good."

Hey Donnerboy, is it possible to grow in rented commercial/industrial space in Arcata? If not, aren't there regulations limiting growing in residential zones?

I'm anti-prohibition and anti-drugs, DUTCH. It's a very sane position to take. Use your scripts in peace. Just don't make the mistake of many of the Yahoos posting above-and start to think that you're more powerful or more clever than anything you use.

There is no necessary difference between the pot users and the heroin users. This insight comes from the ex-pot and the ex-heroin users, who start with the knowledge of the vast difference between heroin and marijuana, and not from me.

#161 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2010-08-05 02:42 PM | REPLY | FLAG: Ex-junkie who found Jesus

"....Going to realize I don't care about your children....?"

Perfectly fine. Now stay away from them.

Read it and weep, NULLIFIDIAN----You've just been hit with one of the central behavioral truths of the 20th and 21st Centuries. Like anything that is true, it doesn't give a damn that you make faces at it.

"....Going to realize I don't care about your children....?"

Perfectly fine. Now stay away from them.

#166 | Posted by Zed at 2010-08-05 03:10 PM | Reply

Stop hiding behind them. Stop looking to government to sanitize the world for a 4 year old and start being a parent.

Been there and done that, KANREI. Just don't leave your brownies out and no complaints get turned into protective services. Seems fair to me.

Wow Zed,

Sounds to me like you're itching to Narc on someone. I had no idea what a petty little man you are. I feel so sorry and sad for you. I'll pray for you for brother.

I hope you find your peace, I really do.

Been there and done that, KANREI.

I know. You hide behind your kids all the time. I am telling you to stop. Nobody is supposed to give a shit about your kids but you. I don't care what they do, who they do, or where they do it so stop trying to stop me from doing something "because of the kids."

"Nobody is supposed to give a shit about your kids except you...."

I didn't get that flier in the mail. To be honest I'd keep your kids from being running over by that eighteen-wheeler, rather than not give shit about them.

"Sounds to me you're itching to narc on someone...."

Sounds to me that you'd want that odd plate of magic brownies devoured by the odd toddler to remain your cute little secret. Better make damned sure the kid also doesn't make it to the ER, then.

This scenario, or something close to it, is played out all the time in the real world. Thanks for bringing us all closer to understanding why there might be a problem with the drug culture.

Hey Donnerboy, is it possible to grow in rented commercial/industrial space in Arcata? If not, aren't there regulations limiting growing in residential zones?

#163 | Posted by nullifidian

As I understand it you have to apply for a permit as a cooperative or a medical provider and pay fees (and taxes?) to grow in a commercial space. The regulations for coops are always changing right and I can't keep up with them.

I live in an agricultural district and I grow for me. I am allowed to sell to dispensaries to recover my expenses but not to make a profit. Those rules are still gray and are a work in progress.

Nulli- here is a link to our current residential rules ...didn't see commercial/industrial rules in there.

I don't know where you live Donner, but you are my new best friend and I'm wanna come visit.

#160 | Posted by boo1701

heh... come around at harvest time and you can 50-75 dollars an hour!

"To be honest I'd keep your kids from being running over by that eighteen-wheeler, rather than not give shit about them."

Well sure, but that applies to adults being run over as well. The point is you use children as human shields to carry out your jihad against cannabis.

There is no necessary difference between the pot users and the heroin users.

So by your logic there is no difference between a social drinker and a heroin junkie? Really have you met an actual junkie? How about hung out in a room at a half way house full of "recovering" junkies? I have and once again you are so wrong I don't even know where to start with you.

"heh... come around at harvest time and you can 50-75 dollars an hour!"

Hey DB, if you need a trimmer, I'll work for cheap, as long as I can sample plenty of the product.

Most addictive drug: Tobacco.
Drug that kills more people than all the other drugs combined: Tobacco.
Number two killer: Alcohol.
Both are available in grocery stores.

Go figure.

"To carry out your jihad against cannabis...."

I just don't confuse drugs with my human relationships. It puts marijuana entirely in it's place.

"So by your logic....."

It's not my logic. It's an observation made by millions. But you've misunderstood what it is entirely. It's not that there's no difference between a social drinker and a heroin junkie. It's just that everyone who uses (whatever) decides to peer over the same cliff. It's the force of gravity, frequently denied here, that makes everyone the same.

"There is no necessary difference between the pot users and the heroin users."

Demonstrably untrue. It doesn't matter who is saying it. That is a lie.

Alot of ex-junkies believe stuff that was drilled into their heads in rehab because they have to believe it in order to stay sober. It works for them and that's great for them. But recognize them for who they are: People who needed to be brainwashed in order to prevent them from killing themselves. Rehab is an idustry. One of the first things they tell you is that you can't stay sober without them, which is true for some but a lie when applied to everyone. They do alot of good but they use psychological manipulation way more often than actual science.

Rehab isn't Harvard.

"That is a lie...."

It's empiricism.

"People who are brainwashed in order to prevent them from killing themselves...."

So much for dignity in recovery. The contempt of the user for the sober is only exceeded by the contempt they have for the user who has sobered up.

Fascinating opinions on this thread. First I learn that people with drug problems would have ruined their lives anyway. Then I learn that sobering up, which millions foolishly conceive of as being a primary life accompishment, is nothing more than brainwashing.

Anyone getting the picture why this could be, uh, disturbing to some?

Hey DB, if you need a trimmer, I'll work for cheap, as long as I can sample plenty of the product.

#177 | Posted by nullifidian

Heh... I do all my own work. But, there are plenty of others who hire out at harvest time. Just visit any local bar and offer your services...dare I suggest one?

The Ocean Grove in Trinidad.. Not a fancy place but it is in the heart of the Redwoods and near the beach. The bar is funky but a lot of locals hang out there to compare notes. There is are some funky rooms in the motel if you have too much to drink and smoke. There is a "smoking" area out back. Real California. Tell em I sent you.

enjoi

Anyone getting the picture why this could be, uh, disturbing to some?

#184 | Posted by Zed

Do you get why you are "disturbing" to some?

Hey a novel Idea. Why not worry about the grass in your own backyard and let your neighbor worry about his. Cause if you are worried about your neighbors lawn your grass is going to be 10 feet tall and a pain in the ass to mow

"Do you get why you are disturbing to some....?"

You learned to ignore this a long time ago. You're going to be another person content to sleep until something kicks him awake. It's an old story.

I agree that if you have a house with kids having drug laced sweets lying around is a bad idea. The problem with the law is it does not distinguish between households with kids and without. If a single guy living in a one bedroom apartment wants to make some brownies more power too him IMHO, however the law now says (or will soon say) that is illegal.
#153 | Posted by TaoWarrior

Once again passing laws to "protect" kids is primarily a vehicle for reducing rights of adults. Why can't the law be if you expose children to drug laced sweets, which sorry donner would screw you, but would a least not screw every adult in the country.
#153 | Posted by TaoWarrior

R0B0- been a pleasure discussing this with you...you have steered away from the insults and at least made me think.
#159 | Posted by donnerboy

#162 | Posted by dutch46

I'm anti-prohibition and anti-drugs, DUTCH. It's a very sane position to take.
#164 | Posted by Zed

Given that I would be hard-pressed to find any current bud consumer that is a "law abider",
#189 | Posted by R0B0T

Zed,

You mistake me there is no contempt for the sober or the user who sobered up. Many rehab places do use brainwashing and there is not a thing wrong with that sometimes a bit of cleaning out the brain is a good thing. I am all for those who want to getting cleaned up and if you never used at all well good on you. However many of the ex-users I have met have the same self righteous attitude you display, the contempt is not from the user to the ex-user but the ex-user to the user. Once again that is fine if that's what it takes for them to stay clean I don't mind the contempt, ok I mind it a bit, but I also choose to avoid those people who would show me contempt.

However once again to compare using pot to using heroin is foolish at best and deliberately disingenuous at worst. See pot is not physically addictive simply mentaly/emotionaly addictive. Heroin on the other hand is both physically addictive and mentaly/emotionaly addictive. People with no propensity to addiction will become addicted to heroin; they will not become addicted to pot. People with a propensity to addiction will become addicted to anything.

See I have smoked pot for almost 20 years and when I don't have it I have no problem and while I might miss it a bit for a day or two I feel no need for it. Meanwhile vicodin which I have been on for only 2.5 years if I don't have it I NEED IT. Alcohol I used to drink on occasion but because of MS and med interactions I quit. Never missed it when I stopped drinking why, because I don't have an addictive personality and was not addicted to it.

The fact that you equate those three drugs and heroin as all being the same for addiction shows either you know nothing or you know but you have been brainwashed to believe otherwise.

'"That is a lie...."

It's empiricism.'

Its a demonstrable lie. On any level you want to document it, chemical or social, there are studies that measure the very clear and different impacts of both drugs. You should be embarassed to be forwarded such a foolish idea in the first place.

"So much for dignity in recovery. The contempt of the user for the sober is only exceeded by the contempt they have for the user who has sobered up."

I've used drugs but don't anymore. The above is just nonsense. I have contempt for lies, such as the obvious one you keep insisting is true.

"Then I learn that sobering up, which millions foolishly conceive of as being a primary life accompishment, is nothing more than brainwashing."

You've apparently learned how to craft a strawman as well. Nobody ever said sobering up is brainwashing. I said rehab uses brainwashing techniques and that is true. I also said it helps people who are hopelessly addicted to drugs overcome their addiction, which is good. A side effect is that they come out spewing nonsense like the demonstrable lie that you keep insisting is true. They need to believe some of those lies to stay sober (others are just silly). I have no idea what your excuse is though.

"However many of the ex-users I have met have the same self righteous attitude you display, the contempt is not from the user to the ex-user but the ex-user to the user. "

That explains Zed, most likely an ex-junkie, in a nutshell.

But I bet before you had a scrip, you had few reservations with breaking the law.

Not exactly true. I have always had reservations even after I got my script...Once the Eye Of Mordor is upon you then you are pretty well screwed and it is going to cost you a pretty penny to get them to move on to another hapless victim.

AS I am sure you have done your share of going over the speed limit from time to time in your life I have pressed the limits of the law in this regard also but I would never have put my family in danger of losing me.

I have tried to instill in my children a healthy respect for the Law but with the caveat that just because there is a law against something that does not mean it is necessarily wrong. And just because you are right and the Law is wrong that does not mean you get a "get out of jail free card" either.

At one time in America it was against the Law for a Black Man to sit at the White Man's lunch counter and drink from the White Mans water fountain. Was it morally wrong to break that law? At one time in America it was against the Law to possess alcohol. Was it morally wrong to break that law? At one time in America it was against the Law for a gay person to marry his or her soulmate. (ok we are not quite there yet but we are finally moving toward equality for gays in America!)

David Thoreau presents a strong case for civil disobedience when faced with laws that are morally wrong. In fact, he calls it our duty.

And in this case I may have been ahead of my time but I have always stood for the belief that Marijuana Prohibition is MORALLY wrong and while I have tried to respect this law I cannot.

And finally this Law is changing too.

However many of the ex-users I have met have the same self righteous attitude you display, the contempt is not from the user to the ex-user but the ex-user to the user.

You must have missed the thread where the dope-smokers mocked the people attending Marijuana Anonymous meetings. That was pretty sad, but expected.

Too late. Horse long ago left the barn. Can't remove the shit on your clothes by tossing it onto someone else. Well, I mean you could try----But that also is entirely expected.

"I said rehab uses brainwashing techniques, and that is true...."

No. You need to stop now. Any "evidence" you attempt to adduce for your argument is going to bite you.

"They need to believe some of those lies to remain sober...."

Words fail me. But if there were any additional evidence needed to underscore the contempt you feel for these people, this was it.

Twelve Step programs are based on unremitting personal honesty. The concept being it's lies that keep you using. You've flipped it entirely. Trust me, you are no mystery at all.

Twelve Step Programs are religious based and therefore not open to everyone.

Per their site:

There is some controversy because twelve steps are associated with religion, which not everyone adheres to.

"Same self-righteous attitude...."

I don't like drugs. To apologize for that would be stupid. Once again, I really like the side of the fence I'm on. If everyone were sober, there would be no rehabs.

Hey, I'll bet you already knew that.

Zed,

I didn't see anyone mocking anyone on this thread, except for possibly you. (Both mocking and being mocked)

No. You need to stop now. Any "evidence" you attempt to adduce for your argument is going to bite you.

He is right and your attempt to deny it is like just about everything else you have said on this thread, either wantonly lying or avoiding the truth by denial of the obvious. The 12 step program at its heart is brainwashing. That it is necessary and good brainwashing for those who need their brains cleaned does not change what it is.

If that describes you then best stay away from these threads, hanging out with users is a sure way to ruin a good rehab session. The dear departed junkie whose child I am raising always did well when she got out of rehab, till she started talking to her old "friends" again.

"If everyone were sober, there would be no rehabs."

If pigs had wings they could fly. Don't hold your breath waiting for a new human species that doesn't enjoy drugs.

"I didn't see anyone mocking on this thread...."

It was a previous thread. Refreshing in that the bias was so forthrightly expressed. Not that some of the things said pro-drug in this one are slouches.

I'm not holding my breath, NULLIFIDIAN. Of the two of us I'm the realist. I know that there will always be drugs, and always hucksters encouraging others to use them.

I don't like drugs. To apologize for that would be stupid. Once again, I really like the side of the fence I'm on.

There is nothing wrong with not liking drugs. The problem comes when you come out self righteous for not liking drugs. I don't eat meat but you don't hear me condeming those who do. You can not like something without being smugly self righteous about it.

"He is right...."

No, he's not. He's speaking out of the deepest, most profound, and most inexcusable ignorance.

Twelve Step programs rely on free will.

Twelve Step programs rely on free will.

No, they destroy it. The first four steps are all about giving up your free will. It convinces you that YOU and only YOU are to blame for everything wrong with your life and you are the center of the evil. You must admit you have no control and that the choices you made were all wrong. You must then go and apologize to everyone you know, turn your life over to G-d, and become a 12 Step Zombie.

Remember, I know of what I speak on this.

"The Twelve Step program is at it's heart brain-washing...."

Jesus wept.

"No, they destroy it...."

Just amazing.

Oh you mean when Kanrei had to go to a meeting and went high? Thats not mocking, not respectful, but not mocking either. Now if he had stood up and laughed and said ha ha you suckers can't do drugs and I am high as a kite right now that would have been mocking.

Whatever though I am starting to think you are an ex-user and am starting to feel bad at trying to tear down the bubble you need to live in to stay sober so I will try not to argue with you any more I would feel very bad if you started using again because of it.

BTW congrats on getting clean I know it is very difficult and I am proud of you.

I posted more than three words. Pity you didn't read any of them.

Thats not mocking, not respectful, but not mocking either.

I was 18 and a Freshman; there was very little I didn't do high back then.

"Not mocking either..."

Actually not the example I had in mind (KANREI), but thanks for reminding me of it.

Here are teh 12 Steps for those who have never seen them before.

1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol -- that our lives had become unmanageable.
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

Actually not the example I had in mind (KANREI), but thanks for reminding me of it.

Hmm then I must have missed it, suprising since I have been on most of these threads but since most are 100+ post not unbelivable that I missed something.

12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

Ahh that explains Zed.

Zed,

Thank you for your concern however I am not yet ready to hear the teachings that you have learned. Perhaps at a later date I will admit that I am powerless and be willing to talk with you or another sponser if that day comes I will let you know.

Of the two of us I'm the realist. I know that there will always be drugs, and always hucksters encouraging others to use them.

#203 | Posted by Zed

Just as there will always be religion and the hucksters encouraging others...

as I said before some spirituality is good..too much is bad

Some drugs are good some are bad too much of any of thing is bad.

re #206 |

I agree kanrei! But, for some this process will work as it is much like the placebo effect. It works because if you believe it will work and that is HOW it works.

For others it does not work because the placebo effect does not work well on them either (probably because they don't believe it will). If the person is having trouble with the "Higher Power" concept the rest doesn't work too well. Check into the success rate for AA (even after rehab) and you will see what I mean.

Interestingly in contrast using cannabis as a substitute for alcohol has had a 100% success rate in this study.

I find this VERY telling indeed.

Methadone is often an effective substitute for heroin. Then you're expected to get off methadone.

It's all just part of growing up. Substance use, better than almost anything, arrests personal development.

A dope-smoking alcoholic is a dope-smoking alcoholic. What's funny is that so many of the drinkers are also already smoking. It was no challenge for them at all.

You see this sort of thing as being progress. It is in much the same way as you wean someone from setting fire to cats onto blowing up frogs.

There's less mess, but still shit scattered everywhere.

You see this sort of thing as being progress. It is in much the same way as you wean someone from setting fire to cats onto blowing up frogs.

There's less mess, but still shit scattered everywhere.

#218 | Posted by Zed at 2010-08-05 06:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Is this a joke? Zed are you just fucking with us? I'm starting to think that you are sitting there trying to think up whatever your next flame will be and having a big laugh over your Cheeto stained keyboard.

Someone please tell me that this is a joke thread (and I'm just not in on the joke). Because if this is genuine narrow-minded tunnel vision, then this thread is no longer amusing and is actually getting alarming.

So, ha ha Zed.... very funny.... you got me.

Otherwise, I'm really starting to get concerned about our good brother.