Fuck that.

The last thing I need is more woman in my life. Don't get me wrong, I love my wife and daughters, but that's enough for me.

Wur,

Actually the article implies more of a no attachment kind of thing than a harem kind of thing.

In my 20's I would have been 100% agreed with that premise, now not so much I like the stability of home life.

Not every one agrees of course but my wife seems too.

'Actually the article implies more of a no attachment kind of thing than a harem kind of thing.'

Having sex with a woman and not having some sort of emotional attachment would be something I couldn't do.

The article borrowing from the success of "Sex At Dawn" is actually attempting to legitimize adultery, not explain promiscuity.

Besides which, I completely disagree with the "blood and bones" theory of anything. We're quite a bit more capable than the mere sum of our atoms and a human has some responsibility for how our interactions formulate societal need. The lazy way out being "we're made to cheat" versus "we disrespect our vows". There is a sociological reason, but not the way Ryan describes it, imo.

So we've been told by '60s and '70s progressives.

Be honest with yourselves. There is nothing wrong with concepts like open relationships, so long as both partners consent. Adultery is wrong - when it hurts someone. However, most hurt comes not from "betrayal," but insecurity.

Essentially, the fear you were cheated on because your partner is leaving you or you aren't good enough. Yet sometimes, the only reason was that they found someone else attractive, found the sex exciting and interesting, and had no intent of leaving their current relationship.

I'm not calling cheating a good thing. In most relationships, a level of fidelity is expected, but that expectation is really my point. If you expect something different, say that you can trust your partner is always coming home to you, sex outside the relationship doesn't mean much.

Ultimately, the rule comes down to one simple thing: if it hurts the one you love, you won't do it. It need not necessarily hurt the one you love, though, if the relationship is trusting and honest.

4 wives!

4 wives!

#7 | Posted by Tosser

No wonder you're here so much....

"4 wives"

LOL

AMERICAN1ST

Tosser's ex-girlfriend dumped him. He'll remember the details differently, of course, but she (the ex-girlfriend) is the one who gave him the name of "Tosser."

It means some different in Pakistan than it does here. If you'd care to use your imagination, just picture a sexually frustrated guy under the covers with a box of tissues.

He posted this information on the Retort a few months ago when he was crying the blues to me about getting dumped.

#7 | Posted by Tosser at 2010-07-30 12:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

You'll get a couple more when your gone, for some reason your higher plane still centralizes around sensuality. Not much of a higher plane.

Basically, a wanker.

#11 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Well...at least ol' "tosser" has an appropriate handle.

The article?

Buncha psycho-babble.

.

ha ha ha... funny funny.... take all the cheap shots you want...

Anyway, back on topic, this guy doesn't know what he is talking about. He is clearly a democrat who would drop his pants and do it in the middle of the street.

Some Libruls have no shame.

Basically, a wanker.

Also means "irritating arsehole of a person".

Buncha psycho-babble.

The guy just wants to get laid.

There was another scientific study that said, swallowing semen is good for women (yes really, there was such a study).

But then people pointed out to a pattern of such "discoveries" by male "scientists" who wanted to boink their female colleagues and women in general.

You know what will help?

This.

The portrait of the author and general tone of his article suggest that he's just trying to be edgy and modern.

I think whatever people agree to in their relationship is their business. You can't own another person's body or the rights to it. After the honeymoon is over most relationships settle into routine. Its funny how much attention is focused on getting laid as if that is the end-all of a relationship(s). If you agree to mono-sexual relationship then stick to your agreement.

Some people marry to make dynamic partnerships but are very open about sexual matters as long as there isn't a public spectacle made of it. I think a lot of politicians do that... actually anyone in power. The average person doesn't understand this.

I always cheat when given the opportunity. I wish I didn't though.

in relationships, be truthful and vocal, but 100% loyal to yourself.

keep you political views plebeian.

your religious views? nihilist.

If priest can't do it, what hope is there for the rest of us.

in relationships, be truthful and vocal, but 100% loyal to yourself.

keep you political views plebeian.

your religious views? nihilist.

#21 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2010-07-30 10:15 AM

So we've been told by '60s and '70s progressives.
#5 | Posted by KBM

Quit whining and read Desmnd Morris's The Naked Ape (1967). His arguments will doubtless prove a bit too subtle for your taste, but you might actually learn something.

Ever admit to that hit you took by posting the so-called "Black Panther Coloring Book"?

How many ancient humans were there roaming around making the claim that the use of tools was a perversion of the natural way of doing things do you suppose? I wonder what this "psychologist Christopher Ryan's" take on, say, some 30 year-old fella' bedding up with a 12 year-old. I mean, if we're progressing away form a more "natural state", wouldn't how we act today be in opposition to the "natural way" compared to the common acts of those in the past?
It would seem the "unnaturally" disciplining of desires over the years has "stressed" our consciousness into something beyond just animal… a conscious evolution if you will.

a long time ago, there as a day when a man first discovered that corn on the cob was edible. and that night, after enjoying a delicious repast of sugary kernels, and while the man was out hunting with the boys, his wife discovered a great use for the cob...

wonder what this "psychologist Christopher Ryan's" take on, say, some 30 year-old fella' bedding up with a 12 year-old. I mean, if we're progressing away form a more "natural state", wouldn't how we act today be in opposition to the "natural way" compared to the common acts of those in the past?

actually that is how most teen pregnancies happen... not among peers but adult man and teen girl... not saying tis right... I find it morally reprehensible... and irresponsible...but it seems to be the the nature of things.

So we've been told by '60s and '70s progressives.

#5 | Posted by KBM

Yep. 3000 years of wisdom, or some bs pulled from a 60s lsd induced trip at woodstock. This is part of the grand scheme aimed at further diluting the family unit which has already been mostly destroyed successfully. What's really scairy is B0's parents were both active socialists, who both abandoned him. No wonder little Barry is such a brainwashed leftist idealog. There must be so much hurt and confusion in his head.

"We kind of agree with Mao that political power comes largely from the barrel of a gun". Great stuff

actually that is how most teen pregnancies happen... not among peers but adult man and teen girl.

I didn't know that.

link?

#28 | Posted by RIGHTPOLICY

Whoooooops! Right around the bend.

"We kind of agree with Mao that political power comes largely from the barrel of a gun". Great stuff
#28 | Posted by RIGHTPOLICY

What's this thread about?
"Author: Monogamy is Not Natural"
So you're talking about, what, exactly?
Shotgun weddings?

#32 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Psychologists use these studies to excuse a lack of personal responsibility and morality on other causes. For instance, aids in Africa. Mainly it is caused by infidelity which is rampant in their society.
The family unit has to be broken up in order to be transformed. Its all part of the conquering-America-without-a-
shot schtick.

Anyway, back on topic, this guy doesn't know what he is talking about. He is clearly a democrat who would drop his pants and do it in the middle of the street. Some Libruls have no shame.

Don't try to sound like an American right-winger, Tosser. It's just disturbing, like the guy in Silence of the Lambs who tucks it in and pretends he's a woman.

Psychologists use these studies to excuse a lack of personal responsibility and morality on other causes. For instance, aids in Africa. Mainly it is caused by infidelity which is rampant in their society.
The family unit has to be broken up in order to be transformed. Its all part of the conquering-America-without-a-
shot schtick.
#33 | Posted by RIGHTPOLICY

Credible link, please.

What's really scairy is B0's parents were both active socialists, who both abandoned him. No wonder little Barry is such a brainwashed leftist idealog. There must be so much hurt and confusion in his head.

His grandparents adored him and he was raised well enough to go to Columbia and Harvard. So any hurt and confusion he felt about his parents didn't seem to slow him down.

Funny, I was thinking more along the lines of Jaye Davis's portrayal of "Dil" in "The Crying Game."

Make that Jaye Davidson

#34 | Oh crap! Rogers owes me a keyboard! Really funny flag.

#35 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

"Now, whatever else one may think about it, that argument, to the extent that it proved persuasive, was an extremely powerful political weapon because it enabled people to view the behavior not as a symptom of something profoundly wrong in the social system but merely as a symptom of mental derangement in certain individuals. When the authority of science and medicine can be brought to bear in that way, what in effect is being done is that the symbolic potency of one of the strongest method of inducing belief in this society is being brought to bear to invalidate behavior which the society would prefer to remain seriously unexamined"

actually that is how most teen pregnancies happen... not among peers but adult man and teen girl... not saying tis right... I find it morally reprehensible... and irresponsible...but it seems to be the the nature of things.
#27 | Posted by RightisTrite

Don't try to sound like an American right-winger, Tosser. It's just disturbing, like the guy in Silence of the Lambs who tucks it in and pretends he's a woman.

Oooo.... classic!

I take it my wingnut imitation was a pretty good one then.

I take it my wingnut imitation was a pretty good one then.

yeah, but remember he still referred to you as they guy in The Silence of the Lambs. You can remove the part where he desires to be a woman and he (you) is still a fucking psycho.

"You can remove the part where he desires to be a woman and he (you) is still a fucking psycho"

...but a good seamstress at that

And here comes Elderly with a oh-so-lame comment....

(you) is still a fucking psycho.

Me fucking psycho? No, me fucking Queen Victoria, as far you're concerned. What do you know? LOL

Careful with your assumptions on those stats... note your wording. Being that "teens" can include 18 and 19 year-olds and, at the same time, also cross over into the "adult" realm where the resultant stats could be easily skewed via selective wording to reflect personal opinion – away from the initial point. On top of that, "consensual" may be as low as 16 in many States.

Consensual or not... it is still men getting teenagers pregnant... and that "consensual" part... is how men justify getting a kid pregnant.

Hmmmm. Neither is air conditioning...

Just because it's not "natural" doesn't mean it's not better. I have to agree with Red that this is probably more trying to justify a position rather than provide a true explanation of human behavior.

Me fucking psycho?

wouldn't surprise anybody here.

It's easy to see that men want other gooper. Because the female brain is like a mine field - one that we are totally lost in.
We really haven't learned the code, for instance:

she - Taste this and tell me what it needs. (This is code for I need a complimant and any criticism will result in smashed bawls)
he - Hmm not bad, but it lacks a little vinegar and maybe some garlic.
she - Well is tastes OK to ME ...{mumble grumble}
he - wtf zat allabout???

she - Which earings look better - the red ones or the black ones? (this is code for You *better* say the black ones)
he - uh ..um..I like the big hoops
She - Hmmmmph! Just like on ones that little bitch at the bank wears??!!
he - wtf zat allabout???

Consensual or not... it is still men getting teenagers pregnant... and that "consensual" part... is how men justify getting a kid pregnant.
#46 | Posted by RightisTrite

"But we're not apes!" some might insist. But we are, in fact. Homo sapiens is one of four African great apes, along with chimps, bonobos and gorillas.
"OK, but we have the power to choose how to live," comes the reply. This is true. Just as we can choose to be vegans, we can decide to lead sexually monogamous lives. But newlyweds would be wise to remember that just because you've chosen to be vegan, it's utterly natural to yearn for an occasional bacon cheeseburger.

Just as we can choose to be of the age of consent, we can decide to lead sexually moral lives. But adults would be wise to remember that just because you've chosen to be honorable, it's utterly natural to yearn for an occasional child.
#50 | Posted by R0B0T

Not to give child lusting ONE bit of credence but the term "Lolita Syndrome" is a reality that is well recognized and documented by the mental health professionals.

"Lolita Syndrome"

Brigham Young comes to mind.

List of Brigham Young's wives

#34 | Posted by rcade

now THAT gets an FFF!

Sounds like any excuse to justify sleeping around and cheating while married. So much bullshit poppycock it's not even funny.

Larry

I agree that monogamy is not natural, but it's what people who want to avoid unnecessary emotional distress and venereal disease do.

Sort of like putting some money in savings instead of spending every penny you make and charging up more debt besides.

Grown-up behavior, y'know?

The article borrowing from the success of "Sex At Dawn" is actually attempting to legitimize adultery, not explain promiscuity.
Red

I'll agree with that point.

The other is you have these drugged out diaper doper babies always trying to tear the family apart--or give an excuse to do so.

Next it's ok to have sex with a child of 5 or 6--they will enjoy it...

What about all the studies that show monogamy increases the life span of those in those kids of relationships?

"What about all the studies"

Posted by MURPHY at 2010-07-30 08:41 PM | Reply

Well?

Post the links or STFU.

4 wives!

#7 | Posted by Tosser at 2010-07-30 12:18 AM | Reply |

Says the Muslim DR resident.
Like father, like son?

How old will YOURS be?

Like father, like son?

No, I've got only one Mom.. not 4. LOL

How old will YOURS be?

Probably the same age as me or 5-10 years younger at the most.

But I am not looking right now.

Why? Are you trying to dump your daughters on ME? LOL

While it might be true that our biological urges are not consistent with monogamy, you made a promise so stick to it. A monogamous family unit is a human social development with many advantages (reduced disease, better upbringing for children....). I don't see the point of this study. Yes we are apes, but when I watch apes on the discovery channel the mating ritual looks a hell of a lot like rape to me. Maybe we should just give in to our natural instincts; all men must fight each other to determine the alpha male of the area. This male then has the right to rape the women in the area and keep them under his control as a harem.

"Be honest with yourselves. There's nothing wrong with concepts such as open relationships....."

Having witnessed a few such realtionships in ongoing action I can tell you that I suspect you of terminal silliness, or a chronological age of fourteen, or both.

The logical fallacy behind "it's OK unless someone gets hurt" argument is that no one knows they've or someone else has been hurt until after the wounds appear.

Those people I've seen have open relationships also appeared very good at denying when wounds began to bleed. It is human nature to want many sexual relationships. It's also human nature to want a whole lot of other things that you can't get if you're whoring around.

Psychologists use these studies to excuse a lack of personal responsibility and morality on other causes. For instance, aids in Africa. Mainly it is caused by infidelity which is rampant in their society.
The family unit has to be broken up in order to be transformed. Its all part of the conquering-America-without-a-
shot schtick.
#33 | Posted by RIGHTPOLICY

Credible link, please.

#35 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Do you need a link?
Give me a freaking break.
You Doc are part of the problem in America.
Another American lacking the obviousness of common sense and needing a "credible link."

Common sense is most certainly no longer common in the US.
Go back to watching TV.

RIGHTPOLICY nailed it. It's a social agenda to deconstruct the family unit and undermine stability in the US.

•Two-thirds of all teen pregnancies occur among 18–19-year-olds
-Guttmacher Institute, U.S. Teenage Pregnancies, Births and Abortions: National and State Trends and Trends by Race and Ethnicity, , accessed Jan. 26, 2010

So most of teen pregnancies are to "adult" teens? Not shocking actually better news than if 2/3 were to 12 year olds. However I think I'll hold my girls back from college one year to lock them in a room with no windows from 18-19.

#62

Holy shit I agree with Zed.

I think we agree on most things, TAO. That central fact gets lost sometimes when we bicker about details.

Probably true Zed.