WOB

So what--he answered the question--and reminded why he is running and to keep their eye on the ball and discuss the issues.

When is "Family Values" Vitter gonna resign?

I thought the republicans always did the honorable thing when caught cheating?

"I thought the republicans always did the honorable thing when caught cheating?"

The R after their name provides all the forgiveness Murphy needs. Vitter could do anything but as long as he has that R Murphy will still support him.

He's just politicking to his base - he'll still be re-elected thanks to the morons in northern Louisiana. There are better republicans out there than this idiot. I was kind of hoping Piyush would run, but he is happy being big fish in a little pond.

It's nice of prominent Republicans like Vitter to keep reminding people that the first black president -- and the first with an unusual non-WASPY name -- isn't really one of us. Any American who came from a foreign-born, non-Christian parent isn't really a full American.

Is Piyush Amrit Jindal a real American? He was raised Hindu. Isn't his nickname "Bobby" just an effort to pull the wool over our eyes?

Is Nimrata Randhawa Haley a real American? She was raised Sikh until converting after marriage and still attends Sikh church services along with Methodist ones. Is her nickname "Nikki" just another fifth-columnist trick?

Just to be on the safe side, these people should go back to their homeland so that the nation's shrinking white Christian majority can continue to run things like they have since the founding of the country.

Just to be on the safe side, these people should go back to their homeland so that the nation's shrinking white Christian majority can continue to run things like they have since the founding of the country.

#6 | Posted by rcade

Who is typing at rcades computer?

-Just to be on the safe side, these people should go back to their homeland so that the nation's shrinking white Christian majority can continue to run things like they have since the founding of the country.

Deport the Irish!!

Don't give Vitter such a hard time. He is, after all, one of only 3 practicing heterosexual Republicans on the planet.

Just to be on the safe side, these people should go back to their homeland

Right on Kemosabe!

Tonto

Don't give Vitter such a hard time. He is, after all, one of only 3 practicing heterosexual Republicans on the planet.

#9 | Posted by axe

Right, the rest of us don't have to practice, we are doing it right already.

Why doesn't Obama just release his long form birth certificate and put an end to this nonsense? Why has he spent $1.7 million to keep his long form birth certificate from being released?

He has released his "Certificate of Live Birth". This is different from his birth certificate. The former could be obtained by babies born outside of Hawaii (at the time of Obama's birth).

I can't see a valid scenario where Obama would not be qualified to serve but I'm not a lawyer or judge. Why not just release his birth certificate, live McCain did?

There is obviously something that is being hidden.

Two quotes seem appropriate here:

"The truth crushed to earth will rise again."
"No lie can live forever."

Homoj2000

Obama released what the State of Hawaii issued to him.
He hasn't had to spend a penny-Hawaii's Constitution Places that so called "Long Form" Certificate in a State vault-and not even the person on the Certificate has any say in what's done with it.

That's according to the REPUBLICAN Governor of Hawaii.

"D'oh!"

So THAT'S why he wears diapers!

Research.

Why not just release his birth certificate, live McCain did?

The stupid is strong in that one.

I don't think any of those lawsuits would amount to anything, but what makes me suspicious are the overwhelming outside forces getting these cases thrown out without even a hearing. Hawaii adopted a special law just so it could ignore certain Obama document requests. What the fuck is up with that? A legitimate request (with appropriate feed paid) should be fulfilled, not ignored.

With the USA's entire intelligence organization behind Obama, it should be a trivial matter to produce an "original" birth certificate, so any case that may possibly see the light of day would quickly be found in Obama's favor.

But if you analyze the reasons why the Constitution requires that the President be American-born, you'll also see that Barack "Barry" Hussein Obama nee Soeto did not and does not meet that criteria. But fighting in Barack's courts is futile regardless of the facts.

726, you have no rational argument so you resort to insults. Typical.

FrankF55, Please cite the section of the Hawaiian Constitution that bars the president of the United States from requesting a copy of his own long form birth certificate. This is a fresh argument though so a quick search on the Internet proved you wrong (as if there was any doubt):

Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth certificate include the person born, or "registrant" according to the legal description from the governor's office, the spouse or parent of the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant.

FrankF55, I think what is confusing you (on this particular subject) is the state of Hawaii is refusing to issue copies of the birth certificate to those citizens and news sources requesting copies based on the criteria I cited:

Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth certificate include the person born, or "registrant" according to the legal description from the governor's office, the spouse or parent of the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant.

Certainly Pres. Obama could request a copy at any time.

Why should he unwad these sticky GOP panties? If he did, then they would be demanding DNA tests next.

He is probably getting a huge kick out of the whole affair.

He has fulfilled the legal requirements according to the laws of the United States and Hawaii.

He has no reason to produce anything more.

That's the law. Sorry you don't like it.

He has fulfilled the legal requirements according to the laws of the United States and Hawaii. He has no reason to produce anything more.

Exactly. He is the president of the United States and any reasonable person who looks at the facts will realize that the birther stuff is complete hogwash. There were birth announcements in the Honolulu papers, for crying out loud!

Obama has no reason to acknowledge this junk. It makes some of his most fervent critics marginalize themselves. Vitter looks like a kook for supporting it.

Why has he spent $1.7 million to date fighting attempts to reveal them? Couldn't this money have gone to a better cause?

$1.7 million spent effectively to make Birthers and rightwingers in general look like irrational idiots over a long period of time? Money well spent from a political cost/benefit viewpoint.

Obama has no reason to acknowledge this junk.

He acknowledges it and fights ever attempt to release it. Why not say, here it is, let's move on.

Why not say, here it is, let's move on.

Posted by homerj2000

He has many times. The birthers keep missing it because they are too busy screaming that he won't.

I have a mental image of a bunch of Dem political strategists watching the right wingers falling over themselves over this issue, and calling out, "Dance monkey boys! Dance!" Talk about rightwingers being made to look stupid...

He has many times. The birthers keep missing it because they are too busy screaming that he won't.

$1.7 million spent effectively to make Birthers and rightwingers in general look like irrational idiots over a long period of time? Money well spent from a political cost/benefit viewpoint.

And how does requesting a long form birth certificate (the one document that would definitively put this to rest) make anyone look irrational? Especially since you're contending it exists, and it proves he was born in Hawaii. Aren't the people who say they've seen it, which is apparently every liberal on this site, but cannot produce a link to a copy the ones acting irrational? Is it rational to say "Keith Olberman" says it exists so therefore it must exist?

HomerJ2000,

Dance monkey boy, dance!

Still waiting for the link to the long form birth certificate...

Kanrei, Your link returns about 800K results. Many have links to the "Certificate of Live Birth". Exactly zero show copies of the actual original birth certificate.

You have made my point for me (although probably unintentionally).

Homer,

You mean this?

OR this?

Well liberals, I hope you enjoyed your bitch slapping for the day and I hope you take home this lesson:

If your position cannot be supported by the facts, if you have to result to name calling and inflammatory accusations to support your position then perhaps your position isn't one worth defending.

Kanrei, do you understand the difference between a "Certification of Live Birth" and the original long form birth certificate? Do you know a "Certification of Live Birth" could be issued to babies born outside Hawaii? Do you understand there is a difference? Do you think the long form birth certificate exists? Isn't it odd that you or no one else can produce that?

Sending another link (and all libs on this page please take note) to the "Certification of Live Birth" (or 1000 links for that matter) will not produce even one link to the original birth certificate.

"Funny how you claim that "Exactly zero show copies of the actual original birth certificate" yet I find it on the first two I click at random."

There is a difference between a copy of the original birth certificate and "Certification of Live Birth". The latter could be issued to those born outside Hawaii at the time of BHO's birth.

Long forms, also known as certified photocopies, book copies, and photostat copies, are exact photocopies of the original birth record that was prepared by the hospital or attending physician at the time of the child's birth The long form usually includes parents' information (address of residence, race, birth place, date of birth, etc.), additional information on the child's birthplace, and information on the doctors that assisted in the birth of the child. The long form also usually includes the signature of the doctor involved and at least one of the parents .

All right I've had enough, Homer, is obviously not a lawyer and/or knows little about law in Hawaii, because if he did, he would realize that a long form certificate basically has extra infomration on it that that is useful for genealogical purposes and nothing else. Both the birth certificate and the certification of live birth are certified government records providing prima facia proof of the information they contain. So what is stated on the certification of live birth is backed by the state.

Now homer, what does the certification of live birth say? Why do you need any genealogical info?

The main difference between a birth certificate and certificate of live birth is a matter of terminology. The two phrases refer to the same document, though the federal government's official term for a birth certificate is "certificate of live birth."

YES!!!! Now we are getting somewhere! Per Kanrei:

exact photocopies of the original birth record that was prepared by the hospital or attending physician at the time of the child's birth The long form usually includes parents' information (address of residence, race, birth place, date of birth, etc.), additional information on the child's birthplace, and information on the doctors that assisted in the birth of the child. The long form also usually includes the signature of the doctor involved and at least one of the parents .

The birther's made up conspiracy theory about how Obama was born in Kenya, smuggled into Hawaii and somehow granted an American birth certificate (which the GOP gov of Hawaii stands behind) while a birth announcement appeared in the Honolulu paper just in case he someday wanted to be President, has been totally absurd from the start.

I used to wish they would just go away.

Now I welcome their insane bleating, since it reflects badly on the GOP when idiots like Vitter give it credence.

The document states he was born in Hawaii, the document is a certified government record providing prima facia proof of the information it contains, and thus the document may be relied upon as evidence of place of birth by law.

Let him spin now. My post #40 links to everything he needs to know. He is probably frantically trying to find some hope there now.

Just remember Homerj2000 when/if this thing finally gets released and you'll see who was right. No amount of facts and the truth will ever persuade a liberal.

"Certifications of live birth" were available at the time of BHO birth to babies born outside of Hawaii. This is a fact. This is the truth.

BHO's grandparents lived in Hawaii at the time. It isn't surprising they would list the birth of their grandchild in the paper, particularly if he was outside the country at the time.

I'm not saying this is the case. I never did say that. Reread my posts if you disagree. I am just saying I would like to see a copy of the original long form birth certificate that would put this to rest.

"Certifications of live birth" were available at the time of BHO birth to babies born outside of Hawaii. This is a fact. This is the truth.

This requires a link to an official source. Not Wikipedia.

The document states he was born in Hawaii, the document is a certified government record providing prima facia proof of the information it contains, and thus the document may be relied upon as evidence of place of birth by law.

Kanrei, From your link:

Where is the birth weight and length? Where is the attending Physician?

Good questions.

Just to be on the safe side, these people should go back to their homeland so that the nation's shrinking white Christian majority can continue to run things like they have since the founding of the country.

#6 | Posted by rcade at 2010-07-13 10:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

Done pretty good so far. You left out male as a descriptor. It should be white male Christian majority. The females really only started running the country in the last few decades.

Don't give Vitter such a hard time. He is, after all, one of only 3 practicing heterosexual Republicans on the planet.

#9 | Posted by axe at 2010-07-13 11:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

That's 3 more than the dems have.

He also supports legalized prostitution, Ahem, and family values...

Where is the birth weight and length? Where is the attending Physician?

Good questions.

Why?

Obama is still going to be president no matter his weight and length at birth.

And, assuming the Doc can be found, what relevant questions can he answer about a baby he delivered almost 50 years ago?

SIlver,

That is the first good question I have ever heard from the Birthers and felt like I should give them credit for thinking critically. It is a valid question: why are his weight and height not on it if hey should be?

David Vitter the adulterer and his opinion means nothing even if he is a Republican Senator. Just like Newt Gingrich the adulterer and divorcer of a cancer stricken wife his opinions mean nothing.

Character means everything and everything else means nothing when it comes down to reality.

Aren't you just a bit curious though? Wouldn't you like to see it (the original long form). So many people are starting to question this issue (like I said I don't --I'm no lawyer but it seems quite a reach to prove BHO is NOT qualified to be prez -- I just want to see the original doc). The number that question the issue will only grow. Isn't this a good time to say "Enough Already! Here is the document we requested and it shows what we say it did. Now let's move on!"

I started off thinking these guys were kooks (the so called birthers). Now I see they do make SOME valid points. Releasing the long form would put a swift end to this stuff.

Releasing the long form would put a swift end to this stuff.

You underestimate the power of conspiracy theory.

This whole thing was totally made up by his political enemies with no evidence whatsoever.

They will just go on to something else. Like I said before, find some reasons to demand DNA tests or something.

The point is that Obama is legally the President and that isn't going to change. That debate is over. The gavel has sounded.

For him to go above and beyond just to prove some asinine point that his political enemies thought up to hurt him with would be weakness on his part.

He has nothing left to prove and since the birthers seem to be continuing to participate in the marginalization of the Republicans as the party of kooks, he has no reason to give in to them.

Who Cares If Obama Was Born In Kenya?
He's The GOAT (Greatest Of All Time).

Racists Be Damned.

Be Well.

I understand your point about conspiracy theories but the birthers are asking for the long form, they're putting up billboards, they're gaining followers. Why not just release the form. This is a conspiracy that could easily be debunked. Then, if anyone asks for DNA, or additional info they will really look like kooks. It will deflate the movement. They will immediately loose 90% of their followers and gain zero more.

I concur I don't see how Obama would be removed from office. I don't want to see that happen and I am sure whatever is on the long form would not justify such an action. So, lets release it and be done. It will satisfy our curiosity.

If hillary couldn't find a problem, these hicks have no fucking chance.

Why not just release the form.

The document provided states he was born in Hawaii, the document is a certified government record providing prima facia proof of the information it contains, and thus the document may be relied upon as evidence of place of birth by law.

Do you understand what prima facia means in the legal sense? It means that the document can be relied upon by third parties and anyone who wants to challenge the validity of the document has the burden of proof to show that what the document purports to be fact is incorrect. So, why hasn't anyone met the burden of proof that the information on the document isn't accurate? I'll tell you why, because they can't.

So, lets release it and be done. It will satisfy our curiosity.

It will satisfy our curiosity.

The legal system isn't meant for satisfying your curiosity.

So, lets release it and be done. It will satisfy our curiosity.

#62 | Posted by homerj2000

no it won't... you'll just find something else to twist into an "I hate Obama pretzel".

who are you dumbass people and how did you get into our country? Are you with those Russian spies?

Papers please!

It's not just his BC which he refuses for no reason to release in long form. There are major chapters of his life blacked out. What courses did he take in his various schools? What kind of grades did he make? Did he join any clubs? With whom did he associate? Why does he hava A SSN from Conn when he has never had any relationship with that state nor did his parents? Obama goes to great, ridiculous length and expense to keep all things hidden. Any reasonable person must conclude he's hiding something. Not sure what, but something to be sure.

The only racists left are the left.

After Nov, the cries for impeachment will begin.

I guess asking for the one document that would put this to rest, that apparently exists and needs only BHO's approval to be released, is asking too much. It just makes me wonder what is on that form that he is fighting so hard to prevent it from being made public.

Arizona and some other states are mulling legislation to require the long form to be put on the ballet for the 2012 election. BHO will spend millions more fighting that. Why not just release it?

I know the answer will be "you'll just want more!" What else more is there? This is final and definitive proof. Anyone asking for more will be labeled a kook.