Don't let those Republican influences rub off on you!

Give em hell RCADE!

it could be amusingly awkward if I get some conservative Republicans.

Then again, I'm here on my own dime trying to keep my bidness free of government regulation. So I'm practically speaking Republican already.-Rcade

First off you are a business man so don't mix politics with business. It petty and know one cares about your political view point.

Second focus on the goal which is to keep government intrusion out of your "free flowing information source".

At the end of the day the internet is about servicing humanity through the vital sharing of information. Government intrusion only hinders this important service that you provide.

Also remember if you are talking to individuals whom wish to institute regulation either you are buying what they are selling (they will attempt to use guilt)(don't accept it) or they are buying what you are selling.

Right makes might and you are in the right. This is "a unique medium for humanity to share information and ideas" don't let anyone compare it to any other areas of communication that have been regulated in the past and if they attempt to point out where those forms of communication have died off.

Another angle is you don't what the United States Websites to loose competitive advantage because government intrusion slowed growth.

Remember this is not about you and your web site this is about something much larger.

Cheers!

Don't let those Republican influences rub off on you!

And for God sakes clean up if they do.

Then again, I'm here on my own dime trying to keep my bidness free of government regulation. So I'm practically speaking Republican already.

-- Rogers Cadenhead

What the hell is that supposed to mean?
- The Left

Then again, I'm here on my own dime trying to keep my bidness free of government regulation. So I'm practically speaking Republican already.

-- Rogers Cadenhead

Lets see:

......here on my own dime.......what? No one is paying his way in the world............

......trying to keep his business, that he built on his own, from being regulated to death......and make a buck at it......

Yep, you can change your voters registration now.

If RCADE is making money I hope it gets redistributed to people like me.

#7 | Posted by jackass

I don't know you keep it all straight.

"Information like water is best consumed when free flowing"-Rodgers Cadenhead???possibly;)

You can accomplish much if you don't care who gets the credit.-Ronald Reagan

YAWN

YAWN

#10 | Posted by em385guy

em385guy's contribution to "the cause":)

You can accomplish much if you don't admit you knew about it.-Ronald Reagan

#12 | Posted by danni

You can accomplish much if you admit you didn't knew it:)

Do you honestly expect the assclowns in PC to listen to you and...

...make things better?

If you were smart RCADE you would tell them what they want to hear, and leave the truth at home. You don't want these fools fixin shit - especially when it's your livihood at stake.

Anything and everything you say RCADE will be used by them to justify taxing the shit out of the DRUDGERETORT. But then again, I've forgotten that you support giving PC even more of your money.

Have fun (and don't forget to duck if you hear gunfire).

Seriously folks.

Tag lines stick in peoples heads because they are rooted in truth. There is a guy (rcade) in Washington leaving you only one person removed from having an actual voice. If we brain storm we might be able to come up with something that sticks and actually has an influence.

YAWN posted by em385guy ain't going to cut it.

"keep information free, on that we all agree"!

"If you regulate the internet, we will have your job on that you can bet"!

"rcade's our man, I hope he has a plan":o

What the hell is that supposed to mean?
- The Left
#5 | Posted by STIRSUMUP

LOL.

What's the government angle with respect to context-based advertising?

"No regulate, No debate!"

"Internet harass, we will have your ass!"

"Internet tax, you get the axe!"

Are they aware of the kind of shit that goes on here?

#19 | Posted by bellaspapa

Mind your own business Euro-trash! And try not to pass out any more "free showers" with your socialist agenda.:)

Don't forget to weigh in on the so-called "Fairness Doctrine". Since you can be considered a member of the media, you'll have to add a staff member or two to ensure that your articles are evenly balanced, and that for every psycho dumbass like Axe or Celisary or Moder8, you need to find someone equally contemptible and insane on the right. Plus, you have to make sure they are all posting the same number of times.

Awkward for you. But that's the kind of ambiguous, arcane, expensive regulation faced by your fellow business owners in every single industry except yours.

This site is more like a call in radio show over a real news outlet. We don't write the stories, we comment on them. The Report could fall under this, but I don't really see how the Retort could.

#22 | Posted by kanrei

If you think the Federal Government is going to "split hairs" like you are when it comes to regulation and taxes on the internet you are kidding yourself.

All Matt Drudge would have to do is add a comment feature and he would be exactly the same type of web site. Drudge has the occasional Op Ed type comment but then so does Rcade. Today Rcade "made the news" with his piece. He did not cut and paste it from somewhere else.

Rcade--are you going to visit the Lincoln Memorial??

#23 | Posted by Dirk

Matt Drudge DID have a comment site on teh stories he posted--about 4 years ago maybe?

It didn't make it.

"Then again, I'm here on my own dime trying to keep my bidness free of government regulation. So I'm practically speaking Republican already.
-- Rogers Cadenhead"

Why didn't the government prevent the BP disaster in the Gulf, and why hasn't Obama cleaned it up yet?

--The Right

and that for every psycho dumbass like Axe or Celisary or Moder8, you need to find someone equally contemptible and insane on the right.

#21 | Posted by rightisright

Those spots are already filled for "the right". You've easily taken one yourself.

#25 | Posted by MURPHY

Did not know that? Thanks

-----------

Why didn't the government prevent the BP disaster in the Gulf, and why hasn't Obama cleaned it up yet?

--The Right

#26 | Posted by mOntecOre

More like

"We know faith in big government is misplaced faith and now we have the BP oil disaster as well as Katrina as evidence." -American People

""We know faith in big government is misplaced faith"

And you would substitute what in a situation like the Gulf???

"Don't forget to weigh in on the so-called "Fairness Doctrine"

You mean we could have had a doctrine that the anti-drilling side of the story would have been told??? That the side of regulations might have been told. That we could have heard economists warn us about the economic crisis that the big banks created??? Who might have informed more people that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11????

Someday I believe the nation will realize that a fairness doctrine of some sort is key to a balanced media which actually warns the people of the real threats they face.

#30 | Posted by danni

That's all on Coast to Coast AM.

#29 | Posted by danni

Stiffer penalties for direliction of duty via the law.

The unaccountable nature of big government has rendered itself useless.

Personal accountability is what is needed for these corporations and if that means someone has to do life in prison then so be it. Make the consequences so fucking scary for the individuals within these companies that they are up their own peoples asses when it comes to quality control.

Is Art Bell back on?

Someday I believe the nation will realize that a fairness doctrine of some sort is key to a balanced media which actually warns the people of the real threats they face.

#30 | Posted by danni

Who is going to do the balancing? Fuck the balance media it does not now nor did it ever exist.

The internet is the balance as long as we keep powerful influences away from it.

"That's all on Coast to Coast AM."

Not in South Florida. Can't say about other place but not here. I have to listen via internet. Even where there is some availability the right still dominates radio 10:1. People can say whatever they want but I think it is pretty obvious that this oil disaster is not something which right wing talkers have ever wanted to discuss the possibility of.
They pretended it couldn't happen then when it did Rush even pretended it won't harm anything. It's time for people to seriously question whether or not they feel like they really were well served by such one sided, corporate friendly reporting.

Not in South Florida. Can't say about other place but not here. I have to listen via internet.

610 WIOD doesn't play it anymore?

"Is Art Bell back on?"

On what?

"The internet is the balance as long as we keep powerful influences away from it."

Not enough people use the internet as a tool for getting real news, they need it on radio and TV. We let corporations own our air waves yet they refuse to inform us of the dangers they create with their oil drilling, etc. Our air waves should have been warning us about the possibility of a huge blowout in the gulf.

You mean we could have had a doctrine that the anti-drilling side of the story would have been told??? That the side of regulations might have been told. That we could have heard economists warn us about the economic crisis that the big banks created??? Who might have informed more people that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11????

plenty of news outlets could have done that danni. What prevented ABC/NBC/CBS, MSMBC, CNN, Air America etc to report what you want?

We could have a fairness doctrine but how does that get all networks to report specifically what you want reported?

corporate friendly reporting.

#35 | Posted by danni

Rush is a reporter??? Is that a joke??? He says himself he is an entertainer.

Our air waves should have been warning us about the possibility of a huge blowout in the gulf.

which ones truly knew that and knowingly supressed it?

We could have a fairness doctrine but how does that get all networks to report specifically what you want reported?

#39 | Posted by eberly

It doesn't however it does insure that the information that Danni doesn't what out there is lessened.

Democrats are not liberal they are control freaks.

"What prevented ABC/NBC/CBS, MSMBC, CNN, Air America etc to report what you want?"

Air America did, Bobby Kennedy Jr. has done many shows on the dangers of deep water drilling. Y'all celebrated the demise of that network. Seems you celebrated the ability of the international corporations to pull the wool over your eyes.

DING DING DING DING DING

NEWSFLASH>..

small web publisher picked up this morning by VA police. charges to be filed later but rumor has it the suspect was caught with trunk full of assorted files of posted comments from contributors with names such as afkabl2, rightisright,kbm, and kanrei.
no more information is known other than suspect was also seen to be mumbling something about its bushs fault..its bushs fault..
suspect also may be linked to the suspected GOp plant of A GREEN,.,,DEMOCRAT candidate for senator...as well as being seen entering back doors along K street.

( okay so its not all THAT funny but at least its a better attempt at creative jockularity than anything else here

rcade...be safe )

Someday I believe the nation will realize that a fairness doctrine of some sort is key to a balanced media which actually warns the people of the real threats they face.

#30 | Posted by danni at 2010-06-14 02:

let me translate this for the rest of you..

Liberal radio and media cant oompete with ideas of this middle right country and the only way they can get thier 'truth' out is not to put out a better product but to eliminate the competion..
MUCH like barry did to get to the illinois state house in the first place..

AH but danni...I love your enthusiam......

enthusiam......
AND consistancy

"Is Art Bell back on?"

Sometimes. mostly it's George Noory.

Is Art Bell back on?"

you mean like ART BELL AND THE DRELLS

ba dump dump...crash

I wonder where BP intended on spending the 50 million dollars for advertising which we've heard so much about lately???
Wonder if any network would tone down their coverage if they were to recieve a good portion of 50 million???
Follow the money.

Is it the BP Oil Disaster or the Gulf Oil Spill???

Depends on how much money the network received IMHO.

Art Bell had a great show from 1995-1998, there was nothing like it and he had not yet jumped the shark. X-Flies on the radio and he knew it.

"Liberal radio and media cant oompete with ideas of this middle right country"

Utter bull shit. Right here in S. Florida liberal radio dominated for years and years. Big corporations like Clearchannel bought thousands of stations and put right wing talkers on exclusively. Just like Faux News they lost money for years until developing their audiences. They took the liberal talkers off the air regardless of their ratings and replaced them with righties. It happened all over the country. You think big money in this country wasn't going to control the media...then you are simply naive.

I should have known better than to make a sarcastic comment about Coast to Coast on the DR. I wasn't serious.

So Danni's solution to a free media is to place the government (her government) in control of mediums like the internet?

Air America did, Bobby Kennedy Jr. has done many shows on the dangers of deep water drilling. Y'all celebrated the demise of that network. Seems you celebrated the ability of the international corporations to pull the wool over your eyes.

you ignored all those other relevant networks Danni. I considered not even typing Air America.

My point is how would the fairness doctrine get those networks (the one's with an actual audience) to report all of that stuff you want when they are free to do so now?

Did Keith Olberman or Rachel Maddow report anything on the dangers of deep water drilling (especially since Obama had, at the time, endorsed it! LOL)

even those 2 didn't know shit from apple butter about the dangers of deep water drilling.

Bobby Kennedy Jr? give me a break. He is a hardcore environmentalist...which is fine. But he isn't a significant member of media that anybody listens to.

You think big money in this country wasn't going to control the media...then you are simply naive.

Is the fairness doctrine to break up the ownership of the media?

Someday I believe the nation will realize that a fairness doctrine of some sort is key to a balanced media which actually warns the people of the real threats they face.

#30 | Posted by danni

Is the U.S. Constitution outdated? I seem to remember something about making no laws that restrict the freedom of the press, or the right to speak?

Will there be quotas on the number of times specific words can be used and by who? And who keeps track? The same Government bureaucrats who gave us the MMS oil spill? Who?

How does force-ably moderating our speech square with the constitution?

Or, does that even matter anymore?

They took the liberal talkers off the air regardless of their ratings and replaced them with righties. It happened all over the country. You think big money in this country wasn't going to control the media...then you are simply naive.

#51 | Posted by danni at 2010-06-14 02:35 PM | Reply

AW sweet thang...so you are telling us that capitalist PIg$ in radio media radio took programs off that were MAKING money with ratings in order to further an agenda....sort of a stretch isnt that?????

and does the region of S florida have anything to do with the issue...as in lots of NOrthernors or yankees there snowbirding????

notice capitalist pig$$$$$

get it
get it

"Is the fairness doctrine to break up the ownership of the media?"

NO, that's why most lefties don't really want the old fairness doctrine back but would support regulations to limit media ownership. Allowing too few companies to control too many stations limits the diversity of opinions which the country really does need to be exposed to. There have been plenty of people warning us about a disaster just like we have now but too few people ever heard them, in fact they were told that this couldn't happen, that "drill baby drill" was real energy policy.

So Danni's solution to a free media is to place the government (her government) in control of mediums like the internet?

#53 | Posted by Dirk

not just danni...remember she is mimicking the dnc here...its the same answer over and over.
problem with big govt..MAKE IT BIGGER

problem with deficit..MAKE IT BIGGER

problem with newpapers etc...GOVT BAIL OUT..

see how it works....:)

"AW sweet thang...so you are telling us that capitalist PIg$ in radio media radio took programs off that were MAKING money with ratings in order to further an agenda....sort of a stretch isnt that?????"

You take a look at the Gulf of Mexico today and then you tell me.
Drill baby drill.

Allowing too few companies to control too many stations

okay...this makes some sense....but again...we ask..WHO has the CONTROL...why not the FREE MARKET..................( oohhhh good one huh? )

"So Danni's solution to a free media is to place the government (her government) in control of mediums like the internet?"

Baloney, I want the internet free for everyone. I'm talking about ownership of broadcast radio stations which are held by too few hands.

You take a look at the Gulf of Mexico today and then you tell me.
Drill baby drill.

#60 | Posted by danni

This is your retort???

That is what I thought when ever the tough questions start coming your way fast and furious you bail.

You take a look at the Gulf of Mexico today and then you tell me.
Drill baby drill.

#60 | Posted by danni at 201

people you watch on tv using this nonsense LIKE THE POTUS are ignorant of the issue as it pertains to drilling in the gulf as well as other areas...
the record on spills in the gulf of mexico is very low...there is a natural seepage from the floor that is a lot more than one might suspect.

to disparage someone who chanted drill baby drill shows a lack of understanding of the issue but instead shows that you watch msnbc and bill mahr and maybe even JOY BEHAR>.

COME ON NOW OLD GIRL..ADMIT IT RIGHT HEre

you watch joy behar AND THE VIEW....:) :)

I'm talking about ownership of broadcast radio stations which are held by too few hands.

#62 | Posted by danni

What about news papers??? Should we have an oversight committee "regulating" them as well give their extremely liberal slant?

why not the FREE MARKET

Yea, why not? Pre-Clear Channel, South Florida had some of the best radio stations in the country. I-95, 103SHE, 97GTR were all the same format, but they all had huge followings and each were popular among their own crowd. Then, Clear Channel came to town, bought it all, and decided Miami only needed one rock station. A town that easily supported 3 was deemed as only needed one. One rap station, one country station, one hip hop, one electronica, one pop, etc.

"What about news papers?"

Newspapers are privately owned. The airwaves are public. Big difference.

#66 | Posted by kanrei

Sounds like you could make a fortune getting a group of investors together and starting a rock radio station.

Anyone could have. A rival did come in, I forget who, and tried, but Clear Channel used advertisors to push them out, bought the station, and made it classic rock (AKA one Whole Lotta Love every hour).

"Sounds like you could make a fortune getting a group of investors together and starting a rock radio station."

Yeah...right about the time Clear Channel starts donating to the campaigns of the board of those deciding whether a license will be granted.

Free market bought-and-paid-for capitalism at its finest!

Kanrei's memory of S. Florida radio is pretty much exactly like my own.

Used to be great til Clearchannel bought up so many stations.

Newspapers are privately owned. The airwaves are public. Big difference.

#67 | Posted by Danforth

My ass there is a "big difference". Those radio stations are private just like the newspapers. The radio waves that the stations information is carried over is just as much "public" as the streets that the newspaper delivery trucks carry their news over.

Anything to regulate the opposing view point-The Left!

Yeah...right about the time Clear Channel starts donating to the campaigns of the board of those deciding whether a license will be granted.

Free market bought-and-paid-for capitalism at its finest!

#70 | Posted by Danforth

So danforth's approach is to give the corrupt government officials more power and control??? Got it!

They took the liberal talkers off the air regardless of their ratings and replaced them with righties. It happened all over the country. You think big money in this country wasn't going to control the media...then you are simply naive.

#51 | Posted by danni

What were Al Franken's ratings anyway? Was he in the top ten, top twenty, what?

Anyone here ever listen to Airhead AmeriKa? No? Then blame yourselves for not supporting your own.

Forcing us to listen to Airheard AmeriKa (or whatever they call the new government-funded "balanced" retort) won't work out well for you either.

Want to know where we really need "balance" in America? The U.S. Congress, that's where. Balance the fucker out with real Americans; bus boys, taxi drivers, school teachers, coaches, and factory workers.

Just like our jury system requires.

South Florida radio was great, even the pop stations.

I-95 was main stream/ adult contemporary rock
97GTR gave us deep album cuts
103 SHE was just the goddess of rock radio and one of the first FM stations in America to play rock.

The best when I was a kid was Y-100. It was a station that would play Stairway to Heaven followed by Michael Jackson "Don't Stop Til You Get Enoug," then Saturday Night's Alright for Fighting.

If you have Sirius/XM, most of the 70's station's on air personalities are from Y-100 in that era. Magic Mike, Sonny Fox, John St James

"The radio waves that the stations information is carried over is just as much "public" as the streets that the newspaper delivery trucks carry their news over."

Prefers oil company propaganda about drilling over the warnings of "evil liberals" that a blowout could occur one mile down.
Dirk won't let reality get in the way of his right wing mindset.

An intelligent person might wonder, is it really intelligent to listen to only one point of view, one which has a vested interest in telling only one side of the story? Doesn't a disaster of this magnitude have any power to make you at least stop and question whether or not you have been well served by the Rush Limbaughs and Laura Ingrams of this world??? What would it take????

Anyone here ever listen to Airhead AmeriKa? No? Then blame yourselves for not supporting your own.

I tried out Franken at lunch and Randi Rhodes when I drove home, but it was short lived. Better stuff here. They should have taken some of us for the air or just read debates here.

Used to be great til Clearchannel bought up so many stations.

Posted by danni at 2010-06-14 03:04 PM | Reply

What's wrong with clearchannel... in NC they play both kinds of music.

Country and Western.

Al Franken had a great show, he just wanted to be a Senator more than a talk show host.

#78 ROLFMAO! I love the Blues Brothers!

#79 Franken said great things, but his on air voice was HORRIBLE IMHO. Nasal and whiny. He was a great writer, but I never thought he was a good performer. He is the Bob Dylan of comedy- the man should write for other people only.

#76 | Posted by danni at 2010-06-14 03:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

You let us know when you pass up Thom Hartmann for Mike Church a couple of days.

I listen to Church on the way to work and Hartmann on the way home. Excellent compare/contrast of big gummit to small gummit folks.

Have to listen to both sides, doesn't mean you have to believe what is clearly not true.

I used to love Pirate Day! Arrrrggggghhhh.

Back when we had real talk here in S. Florida it was great to listen to the wars between right wing and left wing hosts. You got both sides of the issues often on the same show. Or they would have a left winger on followed by a right winger. Today's right wing all the time is not just boring but the listeners are misled into believing whatever the big corporate owners want them to.

"Deepwater drilling is completely safe."

"Blowouts can't happen because the technology is so great."

"So danforth's approach is to give the corrupt government officials more power and control??? Got it!"

So Dirk's approach is for the FCC to shirk their duties?

Got it.

"So danforth's approach is to give the corrupt government officials more power and control???"

Sort of wish they had had more power and control of that BP oil rig.

"Those radio stations are private just like the newspapers."

If you don't understand the difference between private newspapers and public airwaves, I can't help you.

Here's a hint: newspapers are owned. Airwaves are leased.

An intelligent person might wonder,is it really intelligent to listen to only one point of view,one which has a vested interest in telling only one side of the story? Doesn't a disaster of this magnitude have any power to make you at least stop and question whether or not you have been well served by the....

NPR's, ABC's, NBC's, CBS's and NYT's.....

of this world??? What would it take????#76 | Posted by danni

There now that is better!

To Dirk censorship is wrong if government does it which I agree with but when corporations do it, it's still just as bad, possibly much worse. That's largely what we have today. Enough money buys silence.

There have been plenty of people warning us about a disaster just like we have now but too few people ever heard them, in fact they were told that this couldn't happen, that "drill baby drill" was real energy policy.

It was Obama's energy policy before the explosion.

but I don't think Obama got his energy policy from talk radio though so that is a moot point.

But somehow you think that if these folks who were warning us had been given a platform to voice their views, energy policy might be different?

you don't have to answer.......I'm just trying to get you to understand that, IMO, the fairness doctrine wouldn't have prevented this (or the Iraq war). It might lessen the amount of harsh criticism levied by talk radio but I disagree that it would make a real impact on where we are today.

"NPR's, ABC's, NBC's, CBS's and NYT's....."

Haven't listened to the NYT lately, have you???

The networks are all dependent on advertising by large oil companies, ever ask yourself why companies like Boeing advertise??? EVer buy a Boeing airplane? I haven't.
How about prescription drugs???
Do doctors really need us to tell them what drug to prescribe or is it really bribery of the networks to report largely what the pharmaceutical industry wants them to report?

Here's a hint: newspapers are owned. Airwaves are leased.

Posted by Danforth at 2010-06-14 03:23 PM | Reply

Sort of wish they had had more power and control of that BP oil rig.

Posted by danni at 2010-06-14 03:22 PM | Reply

Anyone else see the parallels and irony in these two arguments?

Sort of wish they had had more power and control of that BP oil rig.

#86 | Posted by danni

Deep water drilling is the most regulated industry next to nukes in the entire country! Your government failed you and every other American. Why in the hell do you keep wanting to give them more power and control?

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results-Albert Einstein

"Deep water drilling is the most regulated industry next to nukes in the entire country!"

Obviously, not enough.

"Those radio stations are private just like the newspapers."

The airwaves are not private.

Broadcasters and others are licensed to operate "in the public interest, convenience and necessity" by the FCC in the U.S. and equivalent agencies in other countries.

"Your government failed you and every other American."

Bullshit. My government didn't fuck up the drilling, causing the leak. A private company did that.

"Broadcasters and others are licensed to operate "in the public interest, convenience and necessity" by the FCC in the U.S. and equivalent agencies in other countries."

There you go again, Zat, messing up their talking points with pesky things like facts.

Big Government; always there for those children that never really wanted to leave their parents basement.

I think, in view of this disaster, any future drilling operations MUST be limited to depths that we can actually go to ourselves should anything like this happen again.

The networks are all dependent on advertising by large oil companies, ever ask yourself why companies like Boeing advertise??? EVer buy a Boeing airplane? I haven't.
How about prescription drugs???
Do doctors really need us to tell them what drug to prescribe or is it really bribery of the networks to report largely what the pharmaceutical industry wants them to report?

it appears that you have identified areas where large corporations buy influence over the American people.

who doesn't know that? It is a problem but it isn't a problem your govt is going to solve.

even with all the dems in charge now.

Bullshit. My government didn't fuck up the drilling, causing the leak. A private company did that.

#96 | Posted by Danforth

Yes they did! They had 100% regulation control over that rig and they failed!

Cry all you want danforth but that doesn't change the facts.

"but I disagree that it would make a real impact on where we are today."

You could be right, I just think that we owe it to ourselves in the future to be sure we hear all sides on these types of important issues.
Since the eighties media ownership has become moer and more consolidated making the number of voices heard fewer and fewer.
Why is Fox News on basic cable (Comcast) but MSNBC isn't??

"Yes they did! They had 100% regulation control over that rig and they failed! Cry all you want danforth but that doesn't change the facts."

The moron is strong with this one.

Most interesting part of BP's fumblings trying to fix this is that they have been using the same strategies used in the '69 leak. Amazing that in all that time neither gummit nor private industry as come up with anything better.

Wonder if the Castro bro's are going to comply with our moratorium in the gulf?

"They had 100% regulation control over that rig and they failed!"

Thanks for admitting there's not enough regulation.

"Yes they did! They had 100% regulation control over that rig and they failed!"

From the reports I've read this blowout occurred because BP replaced heavy drilling fluid with seawater which is not approved by any regulation. Wasn't approved by their own industry standards. President of Shell Oil said it wouldn't have happened if BP had just followed industry best practices. To try to pin this on government is ridiculous and obviously partisan.

The airwaves are not private.

Broadcasters and others are licensed to operate "in the public interest, convenience and necessity" by the FCC in the U.S. and equivalent agencies in other countries.

#95 | Posted by Zatoichi

Who said they were? I said the stations are private and equated the air waves as as much public as the roads that the newspaper delivery trucks drive over are. May want to get your facts strait and start paying a little closer attention next time.

"Amazing that in all that time neither gummit nor private industry as come up with anything better."

Those who stood to make the profits should have invested in the technology. Why should taxpayers pay for research on what BP, a foreign company BTW, needs to prevent this blowout???
You sound like a Socialist.

#102 | Posted by danni at 2010-06-14 03:32 PM | Reply | Flag: Because comcast is the mafia and msnbc won't pay the "protection fee".

Do we really need government sheltered monopolies like Comcast anymore?

"I said the stations are private and equated the air waves as as much public as the roads that the newspaper delivery trucks drive over are."

Yes the roads where they have speed limits to obey, liabilities to insure against, etc. etc. You seem to want the station owners to be able to use our air waves without following our rules for their use.
We own the roads and the air waves and can and do regulate both, though I believe we don't regulate the air waves enough.

#107 | Posted by Dirk at 2010-06-14 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag: can't even spell straight

DIRK that is specifically why we don't complain about their right to use cable any way they wish. We don't necessarily like what they say but we don't challenge their right to say what they want there because...they own it. They don't own air waves.

I believe we don't regulate the air waves enough.

We do, but stupidly. We block curse words and sex, but allow graphic killing in full detail.

Merely proposing the question Danni. I am sure it had a little something to do with the Oil Pollution Act capping their damages at $75 mil. Why invest even $76mil in prevention?

If they KNEW that there would be no limit to the damages they would face, don't you think they would've been a little more proactive?

"However, I feel the government bears some blame for rubber stamping BP's prior claim that they could control a spill. I feel that the MMS should have forced BP to prove they had the technical expertise and equipment to back up that claim. MMS failed there. There is no question about that."

Agreed. After reading the Rolling Stone article I wouldn't say the Obama administration is blameless. I just wouldn't say they are the primary people to blame, that would be BP and TransOcean. I even posted that I think Salazar should be fired.

From the reports I've read this blowout occurred because BP replaced heavy drilling fluid with seawater which is not approved by any regulation. Wasn't approved by their own industry standards. President of Shell Oil said it wouldn't have happened if BP had just followed industry best practices. To try to pin this on government is ridiculous and obviously partisan.

#106 | Posted by danni

You know God damn good and well I hold BP accountable and want to even more so then they already are based on post number below.....

Stiffer penalties for direliction of duty via the law.

The unaccountable nature of big government has rendered itself useless.

Personal accountability is what is needed for these corporations and if that means someone has to do life in prison then so be it. Make the consequences so fucking scary for the individuals within these companies that they are up their own peoples asses when it comes to quality control.

#32 | Posted by Dirk

My point with all of you fans of big government is that you continue to give them more power when the fail you and the rest of us at every turn.

Danforth thinks government officials can be purchased. (they can) and than still wants to give them more power.

Danni has just witnessed her shore line in Florida be ruined because government swore to the people that it would regulate big oil after the Exxon Valdez disaster and once again failed to deliver.

Really folks you are going to have to start coming up with better solutions then "big daddy government" or you are going to continue to be disappointed.

Yes they did! They had 100% regulation control over that rig and they failed!

what we have learned is that this agency was "accessed" by special interest in the industry and they stopped doing their jobs which was to effectively regulate the specific practices that BP knowingly failed to use.

so we have an agency to oversee these practices

this agency (and the industry) agrees on how to conduct these practices

Big company gets too close to the agency and the good intentions of this all fails.

Despite how obvious this example illustrates how large govt regulation still fails, I won't blame big govt as though if we didn't have this agency to regulate the industry that this wouldn't have happened.

bottom line.......still BP's fault.

#107 | Posted by Dirk at 2010-06-14 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag: can't even spell straight

#111 | Posted by Zatoich

You are correct. Now do you have something productive to offer dip shit!

"Personal accountability is what is needed for these corporations"

Huh? You just claimed it was the government at fault. Now you're saying the corporations are accountable?

Who needs to debate with you, when you keep contradicting yourself?

"Now do you have something productive to offer dip shit!"

I do.

"Dipshit" is one word.

"Dipshit" is one word.

FF

Ringmaster is going to come along and accuse you "righties" of being spelling nazis anytime now.

"Danforth thinks government officials can be purchased. (they can) and than still wants to give them more power."

Are you joking? Or don't you know the difference between the FCC and local aldermen?

"If they KNEW that there would be no limit to the damages they would face, don't you think they would've been a little more proactive?"

No argument from me on that one and I won't blame just Republicans for that one, I looked it up and there were plenty of good Democrats who voted for it.

Danforth you will spend far less time debating me than correcting my spelling errors;) Your choice.

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Huh? You just claimed it was the government at fault. Now you're saying the corporations are accountable?

Who needs to debate with you, when you keep contradicting yourself?

#121 | Posted by Danforth

No contradiction at all.

The system, as it is set up right now (government has 100% oversight over the rig) has failed.

My contention is that government should have zero or far less accountability over the rig and that the employees of BP and BP CEO's should have 100% accountability over the rig in the future.

Laws should be put into place where rewards are offered if BP violates rules set in place and the stiff jail time if violations occur.

It all boils down to accountability and big government is unaccountable by nature.

"(government has 100% oversight over the rig)"

Dude, you put the MORE in MORON.

"My contention is that government should have zero or far less accountability over the rig and that the employees of BP and BP CEO's should have 100% accountability over the rig in the future."

Mine is that we need rulators with the power to prevent such accidents but if shortcuts are taken by corporations then they should have unlimited liability and CEOs and others should face jail time.
Throwing someone in jail now won't clean up this spill and we don't really know that fear of jail time would have prevented it. WE need all the protection we can get from both government and industry.

Are you joking? Or don't you know the difference between the FCC and local aldermen?

#124 | Posted by Danforth

Are you joking or do you think only a certain type of government official can be bribed?

The amount of faith you place in government despite its failures is comical.

Dude, you put the MORE in MORON.

#127 | Posted by Danforth

Not much of a rebuttal though is it?

Mine is that we need rulators with the power to prevent such accidents but if shortcuts are taken by corporations then they should have unlimited liability and CEOs and others should face jail time.#128 | Posted by danni

Do we not hold the government officials accountable? If you are going to have them be part of the process (might be the way?) you have got to have them held accountable facing the same penalties etc....

If not the finger pointing is going to start during the trial and no one will be hammered.

To RCADE:

Two bits of friendly advice for trip to DC.

1. Drink bottled water only.

2. Tie your wallet to your underwear.

Come on danforth tell me how the government did not have 100% oversight over the rig?

Tell me how the government did not fail in their oversight efforts.

"Come on danforth tell me how the government did not have 100% oversight over the rig?"

They weren't on the rig telling folks what to do and how to do it. How dense are you?

#132

how many trips to DC have you taken?

"Not much of a rebuttal though is it?"

Facts are facts.

"Do we not hold the government officials accountable?"

We do hold them accountable, they can be fired or in some cases even jailed.

"Tell me how the government did not fail in their oversight efforts."
~Dirk

So you're advocating tighter oversight by the government?

Whatever you do, don't tell Dirk!

"how many trips to DC have you taken?"

He's just relating what he has to do in Karachi.

"Tell me how the government did not fail in their oversight efforts."

they didn't tell BP to replace heavy drilling fluid with seawater, they didn't even know about it and how could they??? Are they supposed to be aboard the rig 24/7 watching everything they do???

how many trips to DC have you taken?

Hog-farmer! How you doin'???

He's just relating what he has to do in Karachi.

Bullshit. I don't use a wallet here.

They weren't on the rig telling folks what to do and how to do it. How dense are you?

#134 | Posted by Danforth

That is kind of the point isn't it danforth!

They had every law at their disposal to be able to walk onto that rig at anytime and hold BP to a certain set of standards that were already set and rather then do the job that they told the American People that they were going to do they fucked off and now we have the largest environmental disaster in the history of the United States on our hands because the system that they set in place failed.

And now not only do we have this disaster we have fools like you that want to continue on supporting the same failed system that got us here in the first place.

they didn't tell BP to replace heavy drilling fluid with seawater, they didn't even know about it and how could they???

wait a minute.....are you saying that the MMS didn't preach what practice the industry was supposed to implement for this process?

I thought this type of practice (using heaving drilling fluid) is an example of something the MMS is responsible for communicating to companies like BP to use?

right? wrong?

Bullshit. I don't use a wallet here.

of course not. especially when the only currency you use is your women or your pig.

I sincerely hope Republicans use Dirk's logic about regulation, regulators and corporate responsibility in NOvember. It will be a "blowout" if they do.

We do hold them accountable, they can be fired or in some cases even jailed.

#137 | Posted by danni

Oh I am sorry Mr./Mrs government official we have had the largest environmental disaster in the history of the world on your watch so you are going to have to take a leave of absence with full benefits of course. Give me a break.

especially when the only currency you use is your women or your pig.

No, Elderly, I'm not the hog farmer... you are. LOL

I sincerely hope Republicans use Dirk's logic about regulation, regulators and corporate responsibility in NOvember. It will be a "blowout" if they do.

I don't agree with Dirk on all of this but what is your "logic"?

you are arguing about the regulation of an industry engaging into a practice you want completely prohibited in the first place.

If you want deep water drilling prohibited then what is the point of arguing over regulation?

"I thought this type of practice (using heaving drilling fluid) is an example of something the MMS is responsible for communicating to companies like BP to use?"

Gosh, you want this to be government's fault so badly because the right has finally created such a disaster that it will change the whole dynamic of unbridled corporate power in this country.
Face it, BP is responsible, MMS shouldn't have given them a permit but beyond that it is BP's disaster. Had BP not received their permit the whines by the same folks now blaming government would have been heard loud and clear.
We are seeing a ridiculous display of corporatists twisting every detail trying desperately to find a way to still cheer for deregulation in the face of catastrophe. Ain't gonna work. This time the disaster is too large, too permanent.

If you want deep water drilling prohibited then what is the point of arguing over regulation?

Prohibition = Ultimate Regulation

"you are arguing about the regulation of an industry engaging into a practice you want completely prohibited in the first place."

Until they have the technology to fix a blowout it has to be prohibited. We can't afford another mess like this ever.

#149

forget it Danni. you are just simply too angry to converse with.

I don't have to blame BP again just so you are happy. you might as well keep believing I don't if that is what you need to do.

If somebody else can answer (because danni is too busy screaming into her libtard megaphone) the question I would appreciate it.

or don't. My point is that it is my opinion that it is MMS's responsiblity to set guidelines/standards/
requirements, communicate them along with expectations of compliance to the companies engaging in deep water drilling. Is it supposed to watch every single move? of course not. In any case, the MMS people were too close to the industry to do their job. the main failure is rooted in that.

I sincerely hope Republicans use Dirk's logic about regulation, regulators and corporate responsibility in NOvember. It will be a "blowout" if they do.

#145 | Posted by danni

You just cannot put politics aside can you? Every fucking thing for you is a Dems good and Reps bad. You are what is wrong with this country danni. You think this is a fucking sporting event where the only thing that matters is that your side wins.

Here is my logic

New system in place

BP held 100% accountable for any and all accidents. 100% of damages suffered and stiffer penalties including but not limited to life in prison for those that fail to follow the safety laws that are put in place.

One government appointed official located in one office located in the gulf with a budget of 20 million (paid for by the oil industry), hire 100 men to monitor daily the off shore rigs and 2 helicopters.

Here is danni's logic

More big government! Oh and don't change a thing. Just make it bigger!

but you still trade your sister/mom/daughter for a pack of smokes right?

No, Elderly.

1. I am not the hog-farmer. You are.

2. I don't smoke. I'm a Muslim, thanks.

2. I don't smoke. I'm a Muslim, thanks.

#155 | Posted by Tosser

And if you do he will cut your head off!:)

And if you do he will cut your head off

Who? Me? Cut off somebody's head? LOL

No... I've got easier ways to deal with scum.

Anyway... people like our hog-farmer from Kansas... Elderly... are boring.

So are you "Dirk" :).. a bore. :)

I only wanted to make sure RCADE is in the best condition to give those pesky Govt people a piece of his mind and wanted to wish him well.

It all boils down to accountability and big government is unaccountable by nature.

#126 | Posted by Dirk

Ever heard of the Inspector Generals office?

No?

Check it out.

Government Officials are held more accountable than CEOs ever were. How many CEO's have been fired or fined? How many sent to prison? Very few.

Here is the site for the Dept of Commerce. Look for yourself how government officials are held accountable. Some go to jail.

No... I've got easier ways to deal with scum.

#157 | Posted by Tosser

Try a bath at least once a month.

Try a bath at least once a month.

I don't know if it rains that often where he lives.

Government Officials are held more accountable than CEOs ever were.#159 | Posted by donnerboy

I looked all over the website that you posted and no where did it state that "government officials are held more accountable than CEO's". Nor did it even hint at that.

I think you are off base here.

Dept of Commerce.

well, not for a lack of trying because we have a few govt entities out there responsible for keeping us private industry folks in line.

How about....

Treasury Dept
Justice Dept
FBI
State Police
local police
SEC
FCC
FAA
DEA

I could on but I think you get my point. Not that I think we hold CEOs accountable enough for criminal behavior.....which we don't.

Try a bath at least once a month.

I don't know if it rains that often where he lives.

See, boys and girls?

Both of them unimaginative and boring as ever.

Some battles are just not worth it.

Go raise some more hogs, Elderly and you go have some more dumb kids, "dirk" :)

Over and out! LOL

And RCADE.... don't have any shell-fish!

An intelligent person might wonder, is it really intelligent to listen to only one point of view, one which has a vested interest in telling only one side of the story? Doesn't a disaster of this magnitude have any power to make you at least stop and question whether or not you have been well served by the Rush Limbaughs and Laura Ingrams of this world??? What would it take????

#76 | Posted by danni

If 95% of all white folk voted for the same political party...

...you may have a point.

They don't, it's about 50/50. So, white voters must be getting their information from fairly balanced sources.

So look in the mirror Democrat. What do you see? The one-sided, narrow-minded particians in this country are mostly Demorcats.

And you know I'm as right as rain.

It's time for people to seriously question whether or not they feel like they really were well served by such one sided, corporate friendly reporting.

#35 | Posted by danni

Yes, just think of it.

Government controlled media! You might even get 100% of the black population voting Democrat.

Those 5 extra points sure could make a lot of difference!

Or...

...how about a fairness doctrine that only applies to black folks?

With 95% of them all voting the same way, what could a little balance hurt?

If fact, this is an outrage and something must be done about it! All those black folks simply can't be getting a fair shake from our media!

I now officially support the fairness doctrine - but only for black folks.

Are you happy now?

"We could have "art contest" where we give a prize to the individual that sends in the best picture of a Koran with a turd sitting directly on top of it."

Kewl! And let's do that with a crucifix, and some urine.

No one will be upset about that, will they?

"That has already been done!"

No shit, Sherlock.

No shit, Sherlock.

#175 | Posted by Danforth

Pun intended???

No shit, Sherlock.

#175 | Posted by Danforth

BTW you got the wrong Holmes

AKA Johnny Wadd!

I looked all over the website that you posted and no where did it state that "government officials are held more accountable than CEO's". Nor did it even hint at that.

I think you are off base here.

#162 | Posted by Dirk

Oh were you looking for proof of that? Won't find it on that web site. But you will find where government officials are held accountable making this statement ....big government is unaccountable by nature full of shit. Did you see that or are you blind as well?

so I may be off base but you are full of shit. You want proof that government officials are held more accountable than CEOs?

I guess I can google that too if you are too lazy.

-D

Oh were you looking for proof of that? Won't find it on that web site.

I guess I can google that too if you are too lazy.

-D

#178 | Posted by donnerboy

I am!

and please do!

Other wise you maybe at risk of looking like a dumb ass and worse a liar;)

Senator; 'Now, Mr Cagenhead....um....what kind of name is that anyway? Is it German? ARE YOU A JEW, MR CADENHEAD?'

Rcade; 'uM...Sir, I just come here today to stand in favor of context-based advertsing and to help promote....'

Senator; 'I know why you are here, Sir. Because whatever we are going to talk about has fuduciary meaning to you, am I correct, sir'?

Rcade; 'Yes.'

Senator; 'Good, now that we understand each other, as being in the same position, we can continue...Shalom...'

I am!

and please do!

Other wise you maybe at risk of looking like a dumb ass and worse a liar;)

#179 | Posted by Dirk

so if I go thru this trouble you will admit you are a lazy dumb ass?

common sense should tell you that while there are a myriad laws, policies and regulations in place to make government accountable there is little in place to keep a CEO in line. Only after a major collapse and a scandal do we usually see the CEO taken to task. AS I showed you on the website government is taken to task all the time.

I was invited to come to DC and meet with members of Congress to talk about why this form of advertising is important to online media.

Posted by rcade

When you're done, would you let us know what the current going rate to purchase a congressman is? It might be useful info for the general public.

Thanks.

so if I go thru this trouble you will admit you are a lazy dumb ass?#181 | Posted by donnerboy

I already admitted that I was lazy.

I also admitted you were "at risk of looking like a dumb ass"

You are half way there already, probably more:)

You might want to define accountable before you get started on your task by the way.

When you say "more accountable" who do you mean more accountable to "the people" that get to vote every day with their tax dollars on which CEO is providing them with the best service, product, etc.... or the government official that keeps his/her job regardless of quality or service to the tax payer?

All politicians are AINO.

Accountable In Name Only. No matter how sorry they are about getting caught.

...or the government official that keeps his/her job regardless of quality or service to the tax payer?

So you actually think that the "people" get to vote everyday on whether a CEO gets to keep his job? And did you conveniently forget that the "people" definitely get to vote on whether government officials get to keep their jobs? As for civil servants there are a myriad of agencies such as the Inspector Generals Office that hold them accountable to the taxpayer.

maybe Warren Buffet can explain it better than me...

#186 | Posted by donnerboy

You have an excellent point here and one that I am in full agreement with in regards to the Buffet Article. Too many golden parachutes regardless of performance. Run a company into the ground and still get a "bail out" etc.... I could go on and on....

Although I will say that the election system highly favors the incumbent regardless of their performance when it comes to Elected Officials as well.

Now if you take Government as a whole vs. the Private Sector as a whole there really is no comparison.

Companies must perform or eventually go out of business. Government regardless of performance never goes out of business. Hence my statement on the unaccountable nature of government.

I would gladly take a hundred Allen Greene's in the Senate...

...instead of the hundred frauds we have now.

He is exactly what we need in the Senate. And exactly why the DEM machine is out to destroy him.

A Congress of my peers. I like the sound of that. Does anyone else?

Government regardless of performance never goes out of business.

You started out good then you fell back into that tired old talking point. But you got so close!

While government itself never goes out of business the officials in charge do get held accountable... they can be fined they can be jailed and they can be voted out of office. If they screw up bad enough they can even lose their pension.

While government itself never goes out of business the officials in charge do get held accountable... they can be fined they can be jailed and they can be voted out of office. If they screw up bad enough they can even lose their pension.

#189 | Posted by donnerboy

Really? I wonder what would have happened to that white boy if he had assaulted the congressman...

...instead of the other way around?

The laws are indeed there. But the standard by which they are applied is much different for the elected class.

All one need do is open their eyes. The evidence is overwhelming.

If they screw up bad enough they can even lose their pension.

#189 | Posted by donnerboy

To compare the number of government officials that this happens to compared to the number of private sector individuals this happens to on a percentage basis is not even close.

How many Government employees lost their job for any and every reason last year?

How many private sector people lost their jobs last year for not meeting market demands.

Not even close! Not a "talking point" a fact. Do you know why because big government is unaccountable to market demands.

I think you are blinded by your hate for the wealthy when it comes to this issue of the unaccountable nature of big government.

This woman in the Milwaukee Mitchell Field Airport lounge said she's Mrs. Cadenhead. Any message?

Then again, I'm here on my own dime trying to keep my bidness free of government regulation. So I'm practically speaking Republican already.

-- Rogers Cadenhead

What the hell is that supposed to mean?
- The Left

#5 | Posted by STIRSUMUP

a) debating lib policies is "itellectually enlightening", attracts alot of traffic/participation, and is a good business model

b) living under lib policies sucks and should be reserved for the rubble and NEVER the enlightened

Lots of good advice. I'll let you know how it goes tomorrow. Er, today.

If I meet with Michelle Bachmann, I'm getting a picture and we're both doing the "crazy eyes" look. Her better than me.

Remember:

The media do not exist to inform;
Nor even to entertain;
But to sell.

That's pretty fucking profound, man.

Kinda like the one about how if we'd all listened to Jimmy Carter we'd be drinking free Bubble-Up and eating Rainbow Stew now.

Do another one.

If I meet with Michelle Bachmann, I'm getting a picture and we're both doing the "crazy eyes" look. Her better than me.

#194 | Posted by rcade

Have Nancy Pelosi teach you:)

Bullshit. My government didn't fuck up the drilling, causing the leak. A private company did that.

#96 | Posted by Danforth

YOUR GOVT told more than one country that thier help wasnt needed..the dutch on the THIRD day of the spill offered just about EVERYTHING needed to contain the oil and the white house said..NO......
why???????

and even this AM on cnn..there was a segment warning people of overreacting about oil...listed all of the other things that come from oil.........as well as showing how the liberal boycott of BP is stupid

So essentially yer going to Washington to represent the little intrawebs guy and tilting against the windmills of Big Media over consolidation?

* considers this *

Somewhere off in the ether Don Quixote is giving you the thumbs up.

The shade of Frank Capra smiles as well.

Be Well.

/Still think "hashtag" is hilarious for some reason.
//Yeah, just C&Ped me post from WB, lazy morning.
///As ya do
stage left.

and even this AM on cnn..there was a segment warning people of overreacting about oil...listed all of the other things that come from oil.........as well as showing how the liberal boycott of BP is stupid

The Corporate News Network told you all that pro-corporate stuff, Babbler?

Imagine Spud's surprise.

Lawls.

Be Well.

If I meet with Michelle Bachmann, I'm getting a picture and we're both doing the "crazy eyes" look.

so now you are throwing CNN under the obama bus??

remember it was mostly CNN people at the biden backyard party last week..........