I remember seeing this passed around the net and then it disappeared.

THe more the true face of war is shown, the better.

The government and military would like nothing more than to keep this all hidden from public view, because people are generally good and moral. They aren't very inquisitive however. If we dont SEE something happening (like pollution or collateral damage) we wont do anything about it. But if we see an island of trash in the ocean, or coffins with american flags on them, or dead arab children, then people get pissed.

Therefore you know the gov and military are going to go after the source of this video aggressively. Can't have americans out there seeing the truth and possibly wavering in their support of the industrialized murder industry, can we?

Hey - those guys were armed with telephoto lenses. What do you expect?

It's their fault for bringing kids into a battle.

Well, except for the minor point that it wasn't a battle.

Funny how those Reuters news cameras look just like an RPG to the Apache Pilots!

'He pointed a camera, er ah, I mean an RPG at me so I HAD to open fire and kill him!'

maybe he thought that the camera would steal his soul.

Despite the headline and every comment on this thread, the article doesn't say this video shows the reporters being killed.

Then watch the video and see for yourself.

Sully: The story was short on details that are being reported elsewhere. I've updated the link.

American criminals with high priced weaponry cannot change what's wrong into what's right.

Clearly the Iraq invasion was one the most heinous and criminal acts in American history.

murder is ok as long as you wear a badge.

Pretty hard to make sure it's a camera and not an RPG launcher when you are flying around a battlefield... Same thing with the kids. I didn't even SEE the kids until after I was told they were there and the video pointed to them at the end. Given the context, I would have opened fire too.

This is the problem of fighting enemy combatants in a civilian zone. It's why the Geneva Convention called on all combatants to be dressed as combatants.

Still tragic.

Have u ever SEEN how large the rounds are being fired from an Apache? THAT alone should be a war crime to target any civilians with a caliber that large.

Food for the self-loathers to consume.

It's a sad video. With that said early in the video the pilot reports that they are being engaged by "enemy fire". that being said what appears to me is there were some guys (not Americans) w/ ak-47's with some reporters. The American military engaged after being shot at and once realizing there were children on the scene did everything they could to save their lives! One American was running w/ an Iraqi child to medical support. War is hell. I think wiki over dramatizes the helicopter communications by replaying them as if they enjoy killing innocent children and pointing them out after the fact. When clearly the children were not noticed in the original feed. That said. the guys were idiots for bringing children into that situation. I know if it were my children I would not put them in that kind of danger!

My guesses, and they are just guesses, are that there are no ak-47s or rpgs being carried by anyone in that group. I do believe that the personnel in the Apaches believed there were ak-47s and rpgs being carried. I doubt the van that pulled up to try to help the injured planned on being there or taking part in a rescue mission in advance. My guess is that they were in the area and tried to help. They may have even known some of the injured.

Yes, war is hell. That's why we shouldn't start them on false pretenses for no good reason. Yes, sad to say, but Bush's fault.

"their fault for bringing kids to battle"

I'm sure that sentiment will get that soldier through one night. Then his conscience will eat that right away.

looks like war to me. hard to blame the soldiers, hard to blame the photographers. all were doing their jobs.

1. Phoney (premise for) war - i.e., 911 hoax
2. Numerous Marcus of Queensbury violations
3. No Miranda rights issued
4. The "F" word employed with wreckless abandon
5. Kids not seated in proper child restraint seats

"War is never a solution"
- Rosa Parks

Be Well.

war is a solution, but it is one that begs reciprocity in one form or another, and sadly america will most likely get it good and hard.

sad.

#16 | Posted by Dalton

Dalton, most of US will see the truth, but there are so many anti-American bastards who live in this country and will jump on every opportunity they can.

Just short of the despicable behavior against GI's after the Vietnam War.

I am so happy Kerry lost the election because of that bullshit.

However, these idiots will never learn that their lies cost them so much!

It's their fault for bringing kids into a battle.

Well, except for the minor point that it wasn't a battle.

#5 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2010-04-05 04:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Exactly. As soon as that clown said that I muttered the same response.

Gee, shooting up an armed crowd. Can't wait for the next tea baggers rally.
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Just short of the despicable behavior against GI's after the Vietnam War.

Yeah, the way draft dodging Cheney and AWOL Bush and the chickenhawk GOPpers pissed on decorated heroes like Kerry was despicable.

Dalton, most of US will see the truth, but there are so many anti-American bastards who live in this country and will jump on every opportunity they can.
Just short of the despicable behavior against GI's after the Vietnam War.
I am so happy Kerry lost the election because of that bullshit.
However, these idiots will never learn that their lies cost them so much!

You know what?...fuck you.

For the record it was not the military that stopped that last plane on 9/11 but civilians. It was not Military but civilians rescuing people from the Twin Towers. My guess there were plenty of liberals digging through the rubble putting themselves in harms way
Pigs like you overrate the military personal and their intentions or capabilities. Civilians demonstrate more courage unarmed than those pigs in the helicopter gunning unarmed people from a distance of half a mile away with all their techno farve.

I have no doubt that you ballless assholes would "never put your children in danger" to assist another. They probably didn't get it that some dickwads in a helocopter all keyed up on Moutaindew or Redbul was gunning for some ragheads. They probably didn't see who was going to shoot them because they they just saw an unarmed person in in front of them a few feet away in extreme need for help.

Fuck you and all your altruistic soldiers bullshit too... military personal are rarely always innocent victims of circumstance especially in an all volunteer military and more so when it is not news that we went to war illegally. They know perfectly well what they are getting into and I have no doubt that a fair share are all about getting tough on some rag heads to set the world right.

The military is just a fucking job.

#23 | Posted by northguy3

Some idiots never get it...

You are on the shity end of this argument.

No matter what you say, you will appear as an idiot.

Your #23 post demonstrates that.

amazing!

I tell you that the behavior is bad, and then what do you do?

I just do not understand why they hate us so mcuh?
We are there to save the village
But in order to do so we destroyed the village
This video which is for real will help requrit more bad guys than Abu Garaib photos
It is not just the actions of the pilots
It is their words
They were having fun
I feel more guilt shooting a deer
They were urging the wounded man to pick a gun .
When he did not they shoot him anyway
What have we become?
Worse than them

I guess that's why the Southern Poverty Law Center, AKA Israel propaganda, and slander center, has put WikiLeaks on it's slander and defamation list?

I watched the entire video. It's as though the Apache crew are playing a video game. They had no optics that could zoom in to ascertain whether those camera bags were weapons or not? That was horrible to watch. Killing so cavalierly.

Mistaking a shoulder held camera for an rpg and then wasting everyone in the vicinity?

* deep sigh *

Calling it a victory over "armed Iraqi insurgents" till Reuters complained that they'd killed two employees a couple kids and other innocents?

War is hell.

Spud is really proud of the cyber activists over at Wikileaks who are letting the world see wot others want to hide.

Just short of the despicable behavior against GI's after the Vietnam War.

~Slow Eddie

This is why "Christians" especially should not want America known as a "christian" nation.

such behavior is the norm.

as in was in nam.

support the troops: bring them home.

end the empire.

I'm hardly a military expert, but nothing in the video looked like weapons. Well, except for the cannon fire raining down on them.

Some military personnel deserve to be spit on... the problem is we make them all dress alike so it is hard to separate the wheat from the chaff. I get so tired of people talking about them as though they have predernatural abilities and are somehow holy because they are "willing to die" for our country.

Everyone is going to die. Death is not a big deal. No one... not even a suicidal soldier can say when it is going to happen. that is what makes Christianity so fucking sick... there is such a big deal made over a very common place event.

I think it is more difficult not to follow the path of destruction and those that do that are far more heroic.

ah reich is reich opens his hole now.

support the troops: bring them home.

The invisible ones.

Everyone is going to die. Death is not a big deal. No one... not even a suicidal soldier can say when it is going to happen. that is what makes Christianity so fucking sick... there is such a big deal made over a very common place event.

#33 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2010-04-06 10:49 AM

Refugees are smart civilians.

There are no civilians in war zones.

#38 | Posted by Petrous at 2010-04-06 12:36 PM

Garbage.

So when the terrorists claim war on America, and then kill a bunch of our people, there should have been no outrage, because in war zones there are no civilians.

So why were we so outraged over all the "non civilian" death on 9/11?

"However, these idiots will never learn that their lies cost them so much!
#21 | Posted by Eddie"

Hear, hear! (You're talking about Bush and Cheney, right?)

Yeah, all those natural instincts pertaining to survival shared by nearly all species are also fucking sick, making a big deal over a mundane happenstance like death. lol!

The desire to continue living and "magical places where dead people go" are two separate things.

Animals have an survival instinct for sure, but do you think they have their own version of heaven and hell? Do they have to follow a vengeful and sadistic sky fairy to gain entrance to happy fun land?

More likely they just die and turn to topsoil without ever giving the topic any thought. That's probably because they don't have the capability of self-realization.

"That's probably because they don't have the capability of self-realization"

is that something that came about over time through evolution or something the sky fairy provided?

The desire to continue living and "magical places where dead people go" are two separate things.

#42 | Posted by Axiom at 2010-04-06 12:50 PM

"Everyone is going to die. Death is not a big deal. No one... not even a suicidal soldier can say when it is going to happen. that is what makes Christianity so fucking sick... there is such a big deal made over a very common place event."

Hmm, nothing about "magical places where dead people go." But thanks for your input.

Just like Vietnam is now, when the Iraq War is a footnote in history and these hair-trigger child killers who laugh about killing people are wrinkly, old farts worrying about those Pearly Gates, they will be haunted in their dreams, and rightfully so...

So when the terrorists claim war on America, and then kill a bunch of our people, there should have been no outrage, because in war zones there are no civilians.

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two words for you folks: Hiroshima and Nagasaki

So, did the rules of engagement say to shoot anyone with a gun as well as anyone standing within 20 or 30 yards as well as anyone who comes along to help the wounded?

This may be a result of not being able to try captured combantants in any military tribunal. We simply do not take prisoners, and kill anyone who is not one of us and is anywhere near a gun.

This is not GWB's fault, it is Saddam Huseins fault for flipping the bird at the worlds only super power.

It is amazying how many americans hate america. If you hate it here so much move over to Iraq or Afganistan.
I would like to see how long you last when somene is shooting at you all the time and you don't know who will try to shoot you next, man, women , or child?
How many of you have been in combat?
Have you ever been shot at by a child or old man in civilain clothes?
Have you ever been by someone sitting next to you that has been blownup by a IED?
This is trajic just like every war.
Don't you understand they hate us and would kill you in a minute?

One of the risks of reporting in a war zone is becoming collateral damage. Hard to tell, just like Vietnam, who's going to kill you and who's not. War IS hell, otherwise it'd be called fun. I'm sure these pilots are taking no pleasure in removing someone permanently from the face of the Earth.

Maybe we should try them in court. It'll be just like when the police officers die because they take the extra seconds to think about ACLU lawsuits and being prosecuted (persecuted) for doing their jobs. The pilots didn't hide this video. I believe it was someone much higher up the ladder.

You are going to have innocents being killed, even with today's technology. Look throughout all of the wars ever fought and see that the numbers have been dramatically reduced. I don't believe it will ever reach zero. Right or wrong, it's a fact of war, nothing new here.

I'm sure these pilots are taking no pleasure in removing someone permanently from the face of the Earth.

Yup, sure sounded like that from the audio, you stupid apologist fuck.

I was watching the video trying to figure out who was armed. At the 3:39 mark the man centered in the video screen just above the crosshairs seems to be carrying a long cylindrical object. When he rests one end on the ground it extends up to his lower rib cage. Is that an RPG? It looks too long to be an assault rifle.

All of these arm chair quarterbacks! Hows the view from the cheap seats. Unless you have experienced combat you should probably refrain from commenting about it.

Unless you have experienced combat you should probably refrain from commenting about it.
#52 | Posted by Papawhiskey99

The retort has a new a_hole.

"Unless you have experienced combat you should probably refrain from commenting about it."

as long as these morons are killing people in my country's name then i have every right to speak out about it you apologist cunt.

Hmm, nothing about "magical places where dead people go." But thanks for your input.

What other tenet of Christianity that relates to death do you think he's talking about?

Unless you have experienced combat you should probably refrain from commenting about it.

I'm going to go out on a limb and bet that you listen to the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. You think they should comment on combat?

and I hope you appreciate the fact that those doing the killing are defending the very rights you speak of. Oh by the way Nerfherder, Aren't you late for mass at westboro baptist?

NO...unless they've been in combat.

Thought I would hang out with all of the old ones.

"and I hope you appreciate the fact that those doing the killing are defending the very rights you speak of."

no, they are doing the killing for a bunch of politicians and ideological tools like yourself. iraqis never threatened or attacked us.

"Oh by the way Nerfherder, Aren't you late for mass at westboro baptist?"

Unless you have felt the excitement and rush of pulling the trigger I guess you'll never know!

#38 | Posted by Petrous at 2010-04-06 12:36 PM

Garbage.

So when the terrorists claim war on America, and then kill a bunch of our people, there should have been no outrage, because in war zones there are no civilians.

So why were we so outraged over all the "non civilian" death on 9/11?

#39 | Posted by ExpsRedemption at 2010-04-06 12:38 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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There are no civilians in war zones.

Stupid fuck.

You think everyone has the chance to get away from the fighting, or a place to go?

I would love to see you and whatever family you have dropped into one of this planet's many "war zones". I imagine you would eat your words in the few seconds before you ate a bullet.

#40 | Posted by ZombieHunter

There are no civilians in war zones and the refugess flee.

The American Revolution was won by people wanting to be free. Imagine if all the civilians just ran away.

People flee because they are afraid to fight for their own freedom. We do no favors fighting for their own.

If you can't flee... You sound like the people in New Orleans. You have a choice.

The outrage for 9/11?
Sure, they killed people. Is the lives of civilians less important or more than soldiers?

As for one's own bravery - I've already proven to myself my own valor and its own merits. You don't have to meet other people's standards and I don't need others to measure it. It doesn't take a uniform to save another's life, to defend another's honor, nor to gain one's respect.

What other tenet of Christianity that relates to death do you think he's talking about?

#55 | Posted by Axiom at 2010-04-06 04:01 PM

and I hope you appreciate the fact that those doing the killing are defending the very rights you speak of. Oh by the way Nerfherder, Aren't you late for mass at westboro baptist?

can you tell me what rights of mine an Iraqi or Afghani has infringed upon?

I objected to the notion that death was no big deal by pointing out that death is naturally a big deal (no need for God or Heaven).

You offered a bad analogy as a rebuttal to his. You're comparing apples to football bats, bro.

We weren't talking about an afterlife, just whether death was a big deal or not.

You might not be talking about the afterlife, but one of the most important things concerning Christianity and death is the afterlife. When you hear a christian talking about death, more times that not it deals with "do this so you don't go to hell". Very rarely, if ever, do they say "do this so you can help continue our species".

Then some whiney atheist came along to get in his daily quota of ranting.

I'm agnostic :).

Oh and by the eway Nerfherder, if you even do pay taxes, thanks for the salary, and the bullets. Oh wait....doesn't that make you an accessory?

Yoda sez: a part time gun toting white supremicist from chino valley arizona does not an experienced combat veteran make...

You offered a bad analogy as a rebuttal to his. You're comparing apples to football bats, bro.
#63 | Posted by Axiom at 2010-04-06 04:59 PM

You might not be talking about the afterlife, but one of the most important things concerning Christianity and death is the afterlife. When you hear a christian talking about death, more times that not it deals with "do this so you don't go to hell". Very rarely, if ever, do they say "do this so you can help continue our species".
#63 | Posted by Axiom at 2010-04-06 04:59 PM

I'm agnostic :).
#63 | Posted by Axiom at 2010-04-06 04:59 PM