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Monday, March 22, 2010

E.j. Dionne Jr.: Yes, we did. Finally, President Obama can use those words. The passage of health-care reform provided the first piece of incontestable evidence that Washington has changed. Congress is, indeed, capable of carrying through fundamental social reform.

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...and Republicans rolled over and let them.

Yes we can bankrupt the country!

Yes we can cause doctors to stop practicing medicine.

Yes we can cause insurance companies to go out of business.

Yes we can pass unfunded mandates to the states to bankrupt them.

Yes we can make people wait more to see a doctor.

Yes we can reduce the quality of health care in America!

Yes we can kill jobs with this so-called health care reform!

We are the ones we have been waiting for!

"Yes We Did"

Now you see the power of lies and fear tactics.
So how many of you will pretend to have never supported this when the propaganda stops flowing?

I enjoy reading rightwing bitterness and predictions of doom. They make me happy and remind me of just how complete a victory the American people enjoyed yesterday.

Now you see the power of lies and fear tactics.

Leave Dick Cheney out of this. He had nothing to do with it.

So how many of you will pretend to have never supported this when the propaganda stops flowing?

#3 | Posted by salamandagator at 2010-03-22 12:24 PM |

You could say the same thing about shrub's "war on terra".

Looks like you and bitch have your panties knotted up over this!

"Yes we can pass unfunded mandates to the states to bankrupt them."

It was called "No Child Left Behind"

Wow, by post six there are already two bush administration deflections. Methinks even the left knows how ridiculous this is.

Wow, by post six there are already two bush administration deflections. Methinks even the left knows how ridiculous this is.

#8 | Posted by salamandagator at 2010-03-22 12:36 PM

"Deflections"? Nah. Just facts.

the Chicken Little story comes to mind, "...the sky is falling, the sky is falling".

the moral: the sky didn't fall!

Well, VMA, the legislation is only 8 hours old. Or are you referring to those hysterical global warming retards?

VMA keep looking up . . .

Healthcare facts (CNN) These are the facts, and they are not debatable. For those who have health insurance, you are in all probability going to pay more and get less. The American public is getting a tax increase -- and not just the rich ($200,000 is defined as rich). The so-called "Cadillac" health insurance plans will be taxed, and there are a variety of other taxes on businesses that will undoubtedly be passed on to consumers.Doctors and hospitals are going to be paid less for services. Forty-six cents out of every dollar spent on medicine is paid for by you the taxpayers. Just know you're going to pay more.Small and large businesses are going to have to pay more for their employees' health insurance plans. And every American is mandated to have health insurance whether we want it or not.The elderly on Medicare will see their benefits changed dramatically. The biggest item being used to pay for the new program is more than $500 billion in cuts to the Medicare program at a time when 72 million baby boomers become eligible for it in the next decade. The second biggest move to pay for this is by raising and expanding the Medicare tax.It is true some Americans will benefit. By 2014, according to the Congressional Budget Office, this bill will give 19 million uninsured Americans subsidies averaging $6,000 to help pay premiums and other medical charges. This is in addition to the federal government already picking up the tab for nearly 100 million Americans through Medicare (the elderly) and Medicaid (the poor, disabled and many children).The smart people in D.C., including the president and the speaker will be long gone (as well as a bunch of Democrats who will lose in November) when the debts come due. But our children and grandchildren will be left with the tab.

So how many of you will pretend to have never supported this when the propaganda stops flowing?

Based on the Drudge righties who now claim to have never heard of George W. Bush....

It's a medicore bill, but it's a stepping stone.

But our children and grandchildren will be left with the tab.

#12 | Posted by boojiboy at 2010-03-22 12:49 PM | Reply | Flag: Is willing to personally pay off Saint Reagan's deficits.

"It's a medicore bill, but it's a stepping stone."

That's giving it quite a bit of credit. It is also one of the biggest gambles that the nation has ever taken on and the best they could do is, in your own words a "mediocre" bill.

"Based on the Drudge righties who now claim to have never heard of George W. Bush...."

Blind partisanship, regardless of the side is never a good thing.

Blind partisanship, regardless of the side is never a good thing.

#15 | Posted by salamandagator at 2010-03-22 12:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

You think they'd have learned that simple lesson.

George Soros - Yes I did!

SEIU - Yes we did!

ACORN (New names coming soon) - Yes we did!

Organizing for Obama (re-named America) - Yes we did!

UAW - Yes we did!

GE - Yes we did!

ABC - Yes we did!

CBS - Yes we did!

NBC - Yes we did!

MSNBC - Yes we did!

CNN - Yes we did!

PBS - Yes we did!

Progressives - Yes we did!

Anything with "NOW" at the end - Yes we did!

It's a medicore bill, but it's a stepping stone.

Or as a friend of mine said last night, It's a flawed bill, everybody knows that, but it's a start.

Here's what President Obama had to say on the matter:

For the first time in our nation's history, Congress has passed comprehensive health care reform. America waited a hundred years and fought for decades to reach this moment. Tonight, thanks to you, we are finally here.

Consider the staggering scope of what you have just accomplished:

Because of you, every American will finally be guaranteed high quality, affordable health care coverage.

Every American will be covered under the toughest patient protections in history. Arbitrary premium hikes, insurance cancellations, and discrimination against pre-existing conditions will now be gone forever.

And we'll finally start reducing the cost of care -- creating millions of jobs, preventing families and businesses from plunging into bankruptcy, and removing over a trillion dollars of debt from the backs of our children.

But the victory that matters most tonight goes beyond the laws and far past the numbers.

It is the peace of mind enjoyed by every American, no longer one injury or illness away from catastrophe.

It is the workers and entrepreneurs who are now freed to pursue their slice of the American dream without fear of losing coverage or facing a crippling bill.

And it is the immeasurable joy of families in every part of this great nation, living happier, healthier lives together because they can finally receive the vital care they need.

This is what change looks like.

My gratitude tonight is profound. I am thankful for those in past generations whose heroic efforts brought this great goal within reach for our times. I am thankful for the members of Congress whose months of effort and brave votes made it possible to take this final step. But most of all, I am thankful for you.

This day is not the end of this journey. Much hard work remains, and we have a solemn responsibility to do it right. But we can face that work together with the confidence of those who have moved mountains.

Our journey began three years ago, driven by a shared belief that fundamental change is indeed still possible. We have worked hard together every day since to deliver on that belief.

We have shared moments of tremendous hope, and we've faced setbacks and doubt. We have all been forced to ask if our politics had simply become too polarized and too short-sighted to meet the pressing challenges of our time. This struggle became a test of whether the American people could still rally together when the cause was right -- and actually create the change we believe in.

Tonight, thanks to your mighty efforts, the answer is indisputable: Yes we can.

Thank you,
President Barack Obama

Yes we can bankrupt the country!

How Can you bankrupt an already bankrupt country?

That was already accomplished by BushCo.

when right wingers become excited they whack off and you will notice many white spots on the walls of their rest rooms. But note that no new white spots appear since this bill passed!

Let Mitch the Bitch twitch with the Seven-Year Itch. His consequences will prove to be as much empty rhetoric as the other lies and idiocies perpetrated by the anti-people right in trying to stop health care.

It's a great day for humanity, and maybe the U.S. will rise from 37th to - oh - about 32nd in health care, 47th to - oh - about 41st in life expectancy. Humanity SHOULD oust the last remaining obstructionists from power in Washington this fall, unless someone actually believes the corporate bullshit they've been programmed to believe. herm

I enjoy reading rightwing bitterness and predictions of doom. They make me happy and remind me of just how complete a victory the American people enjoyed yesterday.

#4 | Posted by moder8

You might want to take a close look at medicade and medicare to see how great it is. Now you have won, take a close look at what you are going to get.

"Forty-six cents out of every dollar spent on medicine is paid for by you the taxpayers."

Gee, do you think the fact over 40% of the insured are covered under a government single-payer plan has anything to do with that?

"You might want to take a close look at medicade and medicare to see how great it is."

Low administrative costs, lack of exorbitant salaries, and a high user approval rating?

Horrible, just horrible!

But our children and grandchildren will be left with the tab.

Well, the only solution, obviously, is to repeal this legislation and deny prenatal health care to tens of millions of pregnant women over the next few decades so that our infant mortality rate remains high (almost the highest in the developed world), thus saving all those dead children from living and having to pay taxes...

All together now! "WE'RE 33rd!!!! And we want to stay where we are!!!!"

It is also one of the biggest gambles that the nation has ever taken on

Maybe somebody should get some tips from the rest of the civilized world, which has socialized health care and seems to do medicine cheaper, and with the same outcomes.

Or do righties actually believe Americans are too stupid to do what the Italians, French, Iraqis, Israelis and Irish can do?

#17 by KBM...

Fox News...No we didn't. Denial is golden.

...But our children and grandchildren will be left with the tab.

#12 | Posted by boojiboy

So I guess leaving our children and grandchildren with the tab for unnecessary wars and obscene tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans was A-OK with you?

If the country spends money on something that doesn't involve killing foreigners or making the rich even richer you hypocritical sob's get your panties in a wad.

Maybe this will help; Bottom line - this was the CHRISTIAN thing to do. And yet I bet all across the country this coming Sunday church parking lots are going to be the site of hypocrites decrying the evil government providing for the poor.

Jesus would undoubtedly be ashamed of you.

"Or do righties actually believe Americans are too stupid to do what the Italians, French, Iraqis, Israelis and Irish can do?"

Good so we learned from the inherent problems with all of those systems, right?
We can't be dumb enough to not look at those examples and fix their issues right?
We can't lack the capacity to realize that we are not a densely packed European country, right?

CRAP!

It was called "No Child Left Behind"

#7 | Posted by LetUsPrey

Wasn't that one of ted kennedy's projects?

How Can you bankrupt an already bankrupt country?

That was already accomplished by BushCo.

#19 | Posted by donnerboy

So............ we were broke before and now we are doubble broke!!!!! What a good deal.

We can't lack the capacity to realize that we are not a densely packed European country, right?

Okay, Canada and Australia. They ain't densley packed European countries. You can google that.

Or do righties actually believe Americans are too stupid to do what the Italians, French, Iraqis, Israelis and Irish can do?

#26 | Posted by northguy3

Italy's PM went to Cleveland for cancer treatment. Apparently he sees something better with healthcare in middle America than you do.

Ireland's Healthcare stinks. I have lived there. My father lives in Galway and comes to America for every quarter checkups.

C'mon are you seriously going to compare HC in Iraq to America. Please tell me a hospital in Iraq that compares to Mt. Sinai or Cornell Medical Center.

France has a hybrid system but I am sure the French love paying taxes to care for all those unemployed Algerians

To those that may care there is an interesting chart on the wiki entry for health care systems
en.wikipedia.org

It basically says that America pays a higher percentage of it's annual government budget on health care then the other nations even though it covers a little over half the amount the other governments cover. So much for government efficiency.


And yet I bet all across the country this coming Sunday church parking lots are going to be the site of hypocrites decrying the evil government providing for the poor.

You realize that the healthcare bill is little more than a handout to the insurance companies, right? That the working poor are getting screwed in this deal?

re: That the working poor are getting screwed in this deal?

Posted by TylerDurden at 2010-03-22 03:45 PM

Please be specific. In what way are "the working poor...getting screwed in this deal"?

re: It basically says that America pays a higher percentage of it's annual government budget on health care then the other nations even though it covers a little over half the amount the other governments cover. So much for government efficiency.

#34 | Posted by salamandagator at 2010-03-22 03:32 PM | Reply | Flag

That's under the current status-quo system, dude, compared to pretty much every other western industrialized economy where health care is either administered via a public/private hybrid plan or actual socialized health care.

Your argument is actually a strong case against the current system and a recommendation for a single-payer system, or the reform that was just passed.

"Your argument is actually a strong case against the current system and a recommendation for a single-payer system,"

It shows how inept our government is at providing health care, how is that an argument for it?

In the little it provides is fails miserably when it comes to costs, why would you think giving them more money would solve that problem?

Please be specific.

Under the Obama/Senate plan, the poor--individuals who currently earn under $14,500--would be required to go on Medicaid. Unless they don't qualify for whatever reason, in which case they would have to pay at least two percent of their income to private insurers, or get dinged $750 a year.

The working poor, meanwhile, would get charged a percent of their income on a sliding scale. According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, federal subsidies for poor workers would be too low. People who earn between $14,500 and $43,000 a year would pay between four and 12 percent of their annual income to private insurers. (That's right: someone who makes $43,000 would have to shell out $430 a month. If they live in a high-tax place like New York,that would leave them about $2,000 a month to live on after taxes.)

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Under the Senate bill, for example, a family of three earning less than $27,000--we're talking poor people here--would be fairly well covered. ObamaCare would cover 97 percent of their bills. But a family of three earning between $45,000 and $73,000 would only have 70 percent coverage. In other words, they'd have to pay a third of their medical bills out of pocket.

Source: Ted Rall's weekly editorial, HEY RIGHT-WINGERS! SAVE US FROM OBAMACARE!

C'mon are you seriously going to compare HC in Iraq to America.

Only in that the US taxpayer is paying for it with joyous support from the Party of No. Some sunni jihadist gets shot and Uncle Sam pays for the stitches. Why do righties love terrorists more than Americans?

"My father lives in Galway and comes to America for every quarter checkups.
#33 | Posted by LiamDozer"

Why don't you tell his unhealthy ass to stay the fuck home.

Or do righties actually believe Americans are too stupid to do what the Italians, French, Iraqis, Israelis and Irish can do?

#26 | Posted by northguy3

OMG that is absolutely perfect! Left out Mao and Stalin (but they just didn't do right, right?). Stupak is as Stupak does

#26-huh?
I also left out Germany, the UK, Japan, etc,etc, etc...

My family would have to pay $8000 a year in premiums vs. $4500 now. OR, i can get it when I need it and pay a $2000 fine.

If I have 54 employees I have to buy health ins form the govt for them. If I only have 49 employees I don't have to at all and they have to get it. I will let go 5 people and make the others work harder.

We will all choose what's in our own best self interest and this nation is extremely selfish.

When are you Leftfucks going to require everyone to buy GorCo carbon offsets. The answer is you can't because it is unconstitutional to force people to buy something they don't want.

... it is unconstitutional to force people to buy something they don't want.

#45 | Posted by bph320
Awesome! So where do I request my refund for all my $ that went to highway construction/maintenance, schools, police and fire protection, and those stupid full body scanners at the airport?

I don't want them, so I shouldn't have to pay!!

So who do I contact about getting my money back?


"Yes we can pass unfunded mandates to the states to bankrupt them."

It was called "No Child Left Behind"

#7 | Posted by LetUsPrey

I can see you picking on Bush, but shouldn't you select something that failed? Bush has so many and you pick the one that is succeeding.

Dionne: Yes We Did
E.j. Dionne Jr.: Yes, we did. Finally, President Obama can use those words. The passage of health-care reform provided the first piece of incontestable evidence that Washington has changed. Congress is, indeed, capable of carrying through fundamental social reform.

Posted by rcade

By lying habitually to get it?

Sorry, but I see this as a major failure for Obama.

He failed America!

"No longer will the United States be the outlier among wealthy nations in leaving so many of its citizens without basic health coverage. "

From the article!!!

You can't publish lies and pass it off as the truth!

It's called... LYING!!!

and when you do it, you're... well... A LIAR!!!!

You probably think that the American people are as dumb as rocks!

RCade, every time you post another "victory" article on the front page, your IQ slips a few points.

You still don't get it, do you?

Yeah!!!

Another week or 2 of this and you'll start wanting to vote Republican.

No Child Left Behind failed for lack of funding to make it effective.

The GOP were far more interested in passing multi trillion dollar tax cuts for fat cats.

Tax cuts the CBO scored as creating $2 Trillion in DEFICITS which they passed via 'reconciliation' anyway.

Oh, RCade,

Why is Rand Paul so popular?

www.randpaul2010.com

I guess you just can't stop Progress....


No Child Left Behind failed for lack of funding to make it effective.

#52 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

It failed? Do you have a link?

didn't think so....

Yes We Did--JUST WALK OFF A CLIFF!!

The Dems

Tonight, thanks to your mighty efforts, the answer is indisputable: Yes we can.

Thank you,
President Barack Obama

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

To bad it's full of lies, Gal_Tuesday...

You usefull idiots will do anything for him.

Do us Americans a favor and wise up.


Yes We Did--JUST WALK OFF A CLIFF!!

The Dems

#56 | Posted by MURPHY

This thread sure did.

It's a great day for humanity, and maybe the U.S. will rise from 37th to - oh - about 32nd in health care, 47th to - oh - about 41st in life expectancy. Humanity SHOULD oust the last remaining obstructionists from power in Washington this fall, unless someone actually believes the corporate bullshit they've been programmed to believe. herm

This in itself was reason enough for passage. I hope it helps all Americans, despite all the gloom and doom.

It's a great day for humanity, and maybe the U.S. will rise from 37th to - oh - about 32nd in health care, 47th to - oh - about 41st in life expectancy. Humanity SHOULD oust the last remaining obstructionists from power in Washington this fall, unless someone actually believes the corporate bullshit they've been programmed to believe. herm

This in itself was reason enough for passage. I hope it helps all Americans, despite all the gloom and doom.

#59 | Posted by fresno500

The Dems won't do as bad as expected in nov. since many Americans like something free---one of the reasons dems wanted to get healthcare done---also, GDP should run about 4% this year (but remember, a lot of this is artificial and based on stimulus and policy)----the good thing about Nov. is the opposition will win back seats (standard off year)and if Obama isn't able to do a lot more damage by then, he'll be able to push his socialist agenda even less. When the stimulus runs out in about mid-2011 and the structural economy isn't able to keep the economy afloat, the rubber will hit the road again and will more stimulus again flood the market---the ultimate bubble of all time (government) will at some time have to implode. And when that happens and the money runs out the entire global entitlement scenario will have to face the mountains of debt and minimal or no growth. Once again, another administration is kicking the can down the road and that can is getting pretty beaten up.

"How Can you bankrupt an already bankrupt country?
That was already accomplished by BushCo."

Uh, and Obama's doubling of debt is making it better somehow? Getting another credit card is probably not the best thing to do when you already can't cover existing debts.

"It's a great day for humanity, and maybe the U.S. will rise from 37th to - oh - about 32nd in health care, 47th to - oh - about 41st in life expectancy. Humanity SHOULD oust the last remaining obstructionists from power in Washington this fall, unless someone actually believes the corporate bullshit they've been programmed to believe. herm"

Here's the facts. The WHO ranking system that placed the US at 37th has five categories that contribute to the aggregate score, and 65% of the total is based on egalitiarian and other non-qualititative criteria. In fact, in the one area that does measure qualitiy, the US scores first place. The problem is that actual quality only account for 15% of the total score.

In fact, a country can have a very poor performing healthcare system, and score higher than the US if that system is available to all without respect for ability to pay. How does that relate to us? The vast majority of americans already have access to the highest quality care in the land. Are they going to willingly accept less quality for more money, just so that the poor can have the same care? We'll see.

"Low administrative costs, lack of exorbitant salaries, and a high user approval rating?"

Medicare and Medicaid are not universally accepted by doctors now, for the reason that they don't pay nearly as much. In areas of high population density, the problem is even more pronounced. In NYC, 35% of doctors don't accept medicaid. Countrywide, 35% of doctors don't accept medicare.

So what happens if an increasing number of doctors elect to forego taking on new Obamacare patients? Do we increase the amount paid to doctors and pass the costs on to the taxpayer, or simply pass a law directing that doctors accept the government rate, similar to how it's done in Canada?

"Why don't you tell his unhealthy ass to stay the fuck home."

Probably because he is a customer that has no problem paying for a service that many have come to believe they should recieve for free.

"You probably think that the American people are as dumb as rocks!"

If you look at the various socialist/communist/fascist movements throughout history, the general premise has been that there is an enlightened class of people whose duty it is to make the "right" decisions for society that it would have been incapable of making on it's own. Since these decisions ran counter to what a free society would have done, force would be necessary to keep the people in line. A good analogy would be a parent disciplining a child. And remember, if society really did care about provding healthcare to a larger number of people, society could have solved the problem without geting government involved. They could have gotten together, pooled their resources, and bought healthcare for those that didn't have it. I promise you that none many bleaters that have posted in favor of this bill did that. Not one. Becuase while they may beleive the poor should have healthcare, they don't beleive that they should have to pay for it. At least not alone. Those that have a different opinion should be forced to subsidize the achievement of their ideological goals.

"NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- With a 21% cut to Medicare reimbursement rates set to take effect Monday, the nation's largest physician organization has informed its members about their options -- which include shutting off practices to new Medicare patients.

"To our physicians, we are providing information on their Medicare participation options, including how to remove themselves from the Medicare program," said James Rohack, president of the American Medical Association, whose more than 250,000 members include doctors, medical students and faculty members."

money.cnn.com

Posted by madbomber

Not only is that off, but this bill INCREASES Medicare payment to primary care providers.

#62 | Posted by madbomber

Thank Bunning (R-KY) for that.

Medicare physician pay cut delayed as Senate clears logjam

Last-minute attempts by the Senate leadership to pass the 30-day extension bill before the cut officially took effect March 1 failed when Sen. Jim Bunning (R. Ky.) repeatedly objected to a unanimous consent request to approve the legislation.

74.125.47.132

It failed? Do you have a link?

#54 | Posted by Eddie

yes it is a failure due to Bush not coming through with the funding he promised.

Look it up.

You do know how to use google right?

"How Can you bankrupt an already bankrupt country?
That was already accomplished by BushCo."

Uh, and Obama's doubling of debt is making it better somehow? Getting another credit card is probably not the best thing to do when you already can't cover existing debts.

Sometimes the only way to win is to double down.

So you are not willing to bet on America?

I am.

Also, I would rather be broke and have my health than be rich country full of a bunch of SICKOS.

Get it?

prolly not.

"Not only is that off, but this bill INCREASES Medicare payment to primary care providers."

Whew...dodged that bullet.

DID YOU KNOW...

That to cover the unfunded (and just the unfunded) portion of medicare over the next 75 years would require setting aside $30.4 trillion dollars. Today. That's about three time the annual US GDP. To cover the unfunded portion over an infinite timeline would require a deposit of 90 trillion.

So, we currently have, as of today, $12.7 trillion in debt. To fund medicare alone would require an additional $90 trillion.

Is that really feasible? I mean, you're right...the cut in medicare payments isn't going to happen. At least until the money runs out.

one of the problems with claiming that healthcare is a right regardless of ability to pay is that it demands that someone esle has the responsibility of providing it regardless of whether or not they get anything in return. So what happens when the providers decide they no longer want to work for free?

"Sometimes the only way to win is to double down."

That's easy to say when you are betting with someone else's money. After all, how much of your own money have you spent procuring healthcare for the poor. I'm guessing none. Am I right?

"So you are not willing to bet on America?"

Heh. I like the analogy. Tell me this. Would you place a bet on a table you knew was working loaded dice or a stacked deck? Probably not. Because remember, the productive class, those responsible for wealth creation in the US, already have access to healthcare. It is the less productive and unproductive that don't have it, and taxing the productive classes in order to provide another entitlement will do nothing to make them more productive. In all honesty, it will very likely convince productive workers to spend their valuable time doing something other than creating wealth. That doesn't help anyone.

"Also, I would rather be broke and have my health than be rich country full of a bunch of SICKOS"

That speaks volumes about you. I know personally, I could be both well off and healthy. Because I am. but if you want to hold a low paying job, most of which goes to healthcare, I totally support your right to do so.

I don't think that the hate continued to flow like this wither when FDR got elected or when the first New Deal-Social Security measures saved an aching nation. Of course FDR was rich and white; that may be a difference. The uglies throwing rocks today will probably still be tossing when American health reforms have become as accepted and popular as Social Security and Medicare are now. herm

Herm,

www.drudge.com

The problem with the New Deal was it being blatantly-unconstitutional.

Please read my comments on this in the provided link and feel free to comment.

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