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Monday, March 22, 2010

The effort to win over Afghans on former Taliban turf in Marja has put American and NATO commanders in the unusual position of arguing against opium eradication, pitting them against some Afghan officials who are pushing to destroy the harvest. From Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal on down, the military's position is clear: "U.S. forces no longer eradicate," as one NATO official put it. Opium is the main livelihood of 60 to 70 percent of the farmers in Marja, which was seized from Taliban rebels in a major offensive last month. American Marines occupying the area are under orders to leave the farmers' fields alone.

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Look kids, our military is helping to control the drug trade in Afghanistan! ...and all this time I thought they were "protecting my freedoms".

Dooes anybody really think that our U.S. customs and values are consistant and transferable to the struggle to feed a family in a 3rd world country?

Anybody?

Take the bread from a poor man's table and pretend you have made a friend. Let me know how that works out for ya.

Small minds at work here. If we deprive the townspeople of the ability to feed their family, there is no way we will ever be able to convince them of the validity of the values we try to bring.

Our military is not the DEA.

"Take the bread from a poor man's table and pretend you have made a friend. Let me know how that works out for ya."

I guess that would be a problem if we were out to make friends.

Our government is not going to end the war on drugs any time soon. There are too many good, honest and sober living Americans make a living off of it. No president is going to take the bread from their tables.

Who's laws are they supposed to uphold over there? Afghan law, US law - do soldiers have police powers ? - no.

tables? yes, bring it all above the tables.

apprently this is in one area, otherwise eradicating marijuana and opium is nearlt all we have been doing over there.

January a year ago it was shoot first, never ask. we'd better stop this insane drug war but fast. we're lokking more like killer idiots than ever, and two-faced at that.
www.nytimes.com

BERLIN -- NATO's senior military commander has proposed that the alliance's soldiers in Afghanistan shoot drug traffickers without waiting for proof of their involvement with the Taliban insurgency, according to a report in the online edition of Der Spiegel magazine.

The commander, Gen. John Craddock of the United States, floated the idea in a confidential letter on Jan. 5 to Gen. Egon Ramms, a German officer who heads the NATO command center responsible for Afghanistan, Spiegel Online reported Thursday.

General Craddock wrote that “it was no longer necessary to produce intelligence or other evidence that each particular drug trafficker or narcotics facility in Afghanistan meets the criteria of being a military objective,” the news magazine reported. A NATO official, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed the wording of the letter, and several NATO officials said publicly on Friday that no such orders had ever been given to NATO troops.

before 9-11 the taliban had all but eliminated opium production in areas it controlled. until we invaded, then it started back up again. hmmm.

perhaps they can relocate to mexico

You know its funny how heroin use in this country had dropped to almost insignificant levels until right after we invaded Afghanistan then suddenly kids in Texas are dying from a new even more potent heroin...

Addiction rates have been shown to be a function of the purity of the drug.

The story seems very innacurate and prone to sensationalism.

They keep mentioning OPIUM fields. The fields are POPPIES from which they derive the opium. The story mentions the soldiers dropping right into a field of Opium.

Once again to be accurate they show pictures of poppies. I do not see where they actually were looking right at the opium itself.

Our troops should be fighting the terrorists and that needs to be their primary concern.

Same for Homeland Security and TSA. When they are searching travellers they need to be looking for weapons and not targeting drugs or money.

The US has a multi-billion dollar contract with the Turks to grow poppies for use in making painkillers and they can't keep up. The Afghans plant 192,000 hectares of the stuff, it all goes to the street as heroin and all the profits go to our enemies. Doesn't a simple solution seem evident?!

Give the contract to the Afghans at a reduced price, make painkillers and anesthesia cheaper and more available, and support the local Afghan economy until the farmers can get their orchards and vineyards going again (at least a 10 year process).

Fucking Duh!

Legalize drugs and we can redirect the money to dealing with addicts. Sending them to California or Mexico, perhaps.

/semi-sarc

The Afghans plant 192,000 hectares of the stuff, it all goes to the street as heroin and all the profits go to our CIA.

Fixed that for you.

Fixed that for you.

I'm not certain the CIA isn't one of "our enemies", anymore. I can't deny they pull a profit from drugs, especially blow, but the Taliban and the President of Afghanistan are not just middlemen in the heroin trade, their cut comes off the top.

The Afghans plant 192,000 hectares of the stuff, it all goes to the street as heroin and all the profits go to our CIA.

Fixed that for you.

#12 | Posted by IraqiBukkake at 2010-03-22 11:46 AM


You shouldn't have any problem with this.

Isn't the republican mantra, that whole Personal Responsibility thing?

No one is making them shoot heroin, they make their choices...

There, fixed that for you.

before 9-11 the taliban had all but eliminated opium production in areas it controlled. until we invaded, then it started back up again. hmmm.

perhaps they can relocate to mexico

#6 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2010-03-22 10:13 AM | Reply | Flag: Crock of shit. The taliban controlled production and sold it on the black market.

Revisionist history hard at work here.

You shouldn't have any problem with this.

Why? I'm opposed to both current wars and have been since day one. I'm far more antiwar than any liberal on this site. I hate to wreck your game but you're going to have to realign your pigeonholes.

Isn't the republican mantra, that whole Personal Responsibility thing?

Who's a Republican? Oh, you're calling me one so you can assign a false position to me then attack it. You're so cute.

Since you now know that I oppose the war, you can see my opposition has nothing to do with "personal responsibility", and you look like a clown.

why can't obama just nationalize the opium trade and get rid of those evil profiteers.

Revisionist history hard at work here.

Well, we certainly won't educate the brainwashed right.

I guess it's too 'in your face' to except the fact that the war in Afghanistan is no different then any other war Americans support these days. It's all about commodities in one form or another.

Calling it it revisionist history is just more right wing denial. Next they will deny that the health reforms passed. It's easier to digest then reality is for these fools.

What the fuck ringworm.

I'm not denying anything said here except the idea that the Taliban shut down the opium fields when they were in control.

Your such a transparent shill for the left.

Check your beach.

The water is rising.

the idea that the Taliban shut down the opium fields when they were in control

That is about as believable as the idea that the US "shut down" cocaine production in Columbia with 20 billion and an army of crop dusters.

If history as shown ANYTHING it is that prohibition of any sort never works and only serves those predisposed to breaking the law.

There was once an attempt to quell poppy fields but that was quickly reversed once the heroin trade proved to be both resilient and profitable. Now Afghan growers are treated just like growers in many countries: the government says 'these folks over here can grow all they want, those folks over their will get a life sentence for growing'. The famed "Northern Alliance" were poppy farmers of the latter persuasion.

Same. Ole. Shit.

Juarez has been rocked by a wave of gangland-style killings for the last two years.. 50 people were killed last weekend alone (four of the victims were beheaded) and there have been more than 500 homicides since the beginning of 2010. All told, more than 19,000 people have been killed since Mexican President Felipe Calderon took office in 2006. Even American Diplomats have been directly targeted. Juarez is presently the most dangerous place in the world, worse than Baghdad or Kabul.

NAFTA once transformed Juarez into a manufacturing hub where assembly plants and electronics companies produced all types of goods shipped to the US tariff-free. In the last few years, however, corporations have exited Mexico en masse seeking cheaper labor costs in China. Since 2005, 10,600 businesses -- roughly 40 per cent of Juárez's businesses -- have closed their doors, according to the country's group representing local chambers of commerce. Free trade has left Juarez in ruins which has only added to the current troubles.

Plan Mexico is less about a fictitious war on drugs as it is about creating a business-friendly authoritarian regime that will crush any threat to state/corporate power. By throwing his support behind this policy, Obama is just picking up where G.W. Bush left off.

Calderon assumed the mantle of "provincial governor" charged with carrying out US security operations south of the border; a regular Mexican Karzai. He's turned the country to a free-fire zone as long as billions in US aid continues to roll in.

The real reason US powerbrokers want to militarize Mexico is to counter the leftist social movements which have sprouted up everywhere in Latin America. The administration wants to get a foot in the door so they can roll back the advances that have been made in health care, civil liberties, education, wealth redistribution and land reform. The US wants to quash the burgeoning unions, the indigenous communities, and pro-democracy groups which have taken root and replaced the kleptocratic regimes propped up by Washington. The Merida Initiative is an attempt to return to the dark days of oligarchy and torture, of death squads and "dirty wars". Clearly, Uncle Sam will not be easily deterred; it will take determined resistance from grassroots organizations and engaged citizens.

The media keep reiterating the same tedious refrain about the ongoing "drug war", but it's all baloney. The war in Juarez isn't about narcotics; it's about a foreign policy that supports proxy-armies to impose order through police-state repression and militarization. Extreme violence is the cornerstone upon which the entire policy rests.

The war on drugs, like the war on terror, is a propaganda device which creates a hospitable environment for resource extraction and corporate exploitation. And, they don't care how many people get killed in the process. That's why the death toll in Juarez will to continue to rise.

Excerpted from Mike Whitney @ Counterpunch

REally we would not even have to take the contract away from Turkey. We could just stockpile opium for years, knowing there is going to be an increasing need for it.

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I'm not denying anything said here except the idea that the Taliban shut down the opium fields when they were in control.

Who made you a historian toilet mouth?

All you morons do is deny the truth. Do a little research before shooting your wad.

You can start here and then follow the links:
opioids.com

These guys did one hell of a lot more research then a brainwashed laggard like you will ever attempt.

US turns blind eye to Aphgan Opium.

But if you get caught with a joint of ditchweed in the US, you go to jail.

Sounds fair.

Leave their opium alone, they use to kill infidels.

During the entire rein of the taliban, there was one season where they went after production. Curiously the season before OBL (or excuse me the CIA/Mossad) smshed airplanes into various buildings and fields in the USA.

Other than that one season it was business as usual.

I don't think we need the kind of garbage mouth on the DR that you seem to think is so smart bootiboy. You are an ignorant toilet mouth little asshole. It shows your upbringing. Were your parents getto trash too or did you get this kind of language from your last whore after they kicked you out?

This is news?

We turn a blind eye to the atrocities in Saudi Arabia, simply because we need their oil.
We turned a blind eye to the atrocities in Iraq, simply because they were the "enemy of our enemy".

This isn't news, this is business as usual.
And granted, to an extent it may simply be "the way the world works", but let's not then turn around and pretend we're shocked.

US Turns a blind eye to Afghan opium crops?

This is news to someone?

Spud thinks Blue Sky's idear of legitimizing the Afghan opium crop by making them an official supplier of opium for Big Pharm rather than just a source of power for half of Karzai's government makes sense.

Prohibition is a mugs game.

Be Well.

Opium is produced by the mah fia world underground in each country
When the Taliban came into Afganistan they burned fields and kille and stoned anyone making opium
Afganistan was the #3 opium producer in 1995.
at year 2000 they produced ZERO OPIUM
mafia had to do something.
loosing billions
after the afgan attack in 2002 opium was produced again
Afganistan is the #1 producer in the world now again
Brownwater and company opened up production again
job accomplished.
all easily verified on google.
heres some things to look up
what did AIR AMERICA transport in vietnam?

also what did Air america transport in nicaragua?
what does 1 plus 1 plus 1 equal?

the underground tells the countries what is needed and can start and end wars anytime they want. Who had that dazed look about him three days after election, and whos promise to stop war in the world turned into a noble peace price for increasing forces in afganistan?
Who can control even nobel peace prizes?
I dunno.
You tell me.

Taliban is VERY BAD because they BURN IDOLS.
WOW
GET RID OF THEM
Who owns the media
Ya think?

And the women wear ike SCARVES in public.
and they lke CANT DRIVE CARS@!
get RID OF THEM
TALIBAN ARE VERY VERY BAD!

Ringmaster scary

What do they do to you on beat haole day?

Same as the jocks?

Hahahahaha!

Fuck
Fuck
Fuck

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