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Alan Greenspan, the former chairman of the Federal Reserve, insists the housing bubble had relatively little to do with him. After guiding the economy for 19 mostly prosperous years he now faces criticism for drastically lowering interest rates. "We and all other central banks lost control of the forces directing higher prices in homes," he said.

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This lying POS claims we had prosperity for 19 years but wait a minute, don't we have huge debts from those years??? Greenspan is the worst kind of scum, he destroys the economy, millions of lives, bankrupts families, cities, states and because he is of the monied elite he still rubs shoulders with the rest of the wealthy elite and they don't even mention that the emperor not only has no clothes but those who surround him won't listen to those of us who have been screaming that he's been naked for years.

I thought it was Bush's fault, and his alone?


I thought it was Bush's fault, and his alone?

#2 | Posted by KBM at 2010-03-20 09:31 PM

9-11 was Bush's fault, but it doesn't mean he was flying one of the planes.

I thought it was Bush's fault, and his alone?
#2 | Posted by KBM at 2010-03-20 09:31 PM

Doesn't that "deflection" get tiresome?

POST the statements where Bush "alone" is blamed?

I thought it was Bush's fault, and his alone?
#2 | POSTED BY KBM

No it was the financial elite's fault. Greenspan was their frontman. Bush was their servant. As is obama, only he occasionally tries to help the common man too.

Bush served the wealthy and no one else.

As Caset Stengal said after an atrocious Mets loss, "This was not the fault of one individual. This was a group effort."
I blame Bush, Barney Boner Boy, Fanny and Freddie, Secretary of the Treasurt Paulsen and every investment house and bank that laughed its head off taking advantage of what these crooks handed them.

HOW TO CRASH THE ECONOMY & PROFIT FROM DESTRUCTION

1. Tell Americans to go out an get an Adjustable Rate Mortgage

2. Raise Rates 17 Times in a row.

3. Do not "regulate" Loan Insurance, instead call it "credit swaps" until the whole thing implodes.

4. Profit from others misery by betting against the economy.

Big Al, you own some of it.

all money is a scam.

money borrowed at interest is called slavery

when ALL money is borrowed at interest from the bank you have fascism.

The following share the misery created:

1 Community reinvestment act--congress
2 Borrowers who lied on their mortgage application forms
3 Brokers who did not do their due diligence on mortgage application forms
4 Acorn
5 Lenders who over time allowed less and less down payment on residences and came up with more and more innovative mortgages---e.q.--interest only
6 Al Greenspan---there's no recession he ever liked---his "soft landings"---easy money on a consistent basis---also had responsibility for the banking industry and lending
7 Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac---allowed lending to just about everyone even when they weren't qualified and overleveraged 60:1. Franklin Raines lied about earnings and collected millions.
8 Wallstreet and their derivatives---leveraged often 30:1 without appropriate collateral
9 Unchecked spending in the 2000's--no vetoes.
10 Congress (Barney Frank, Dodd, Schumer etal) blocked attempts at controlling and reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
11 Rating agencies who collected their fees from the very wallstreet firms creating the MBSs, etc.
12 Insurance companies with their CDSs; overleveraged and without appropriate underlying collateral.

all money is a scam.

money borrowed at interest is called slavery

when ALL money is borrowed at interest from the bank you have fascism.

#9 | Posted by Shawn

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
Thomas Jefferson, (Attributed)
3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)

Yes, Mr Greenspam, it took a village, of greedy idiots, but you were the lead man. You and your village idiots ate the golden goose. For those at the table, it was mighty good, while it lasted.

"Greenspan, Clinton collide on surplus"

www.washingtontimes.com

This liar tries to deflect blame for the bubble but in reality he is personally responsible for much more than just the bubble. He was also a big supporter of the Bush tax cuts which have created so much debt on which we are paying so much interest. We will be paying for Alan Greenspan's ideological economic experiment, which was a complete failure, for many decades.

This liar tries to deflect blame for the bubble but in reality he is personally responsible for much more than just the bubble. He was also a big supporter of the Bush tax cuts which have created so much debt on which we are paying so much interest. We will be paying for Alan Greenspan's ideological economic experiment, which was a complete failure, for many decades.

#13 | Posted by danni

Thomas Jefferson warned us of this and now it's taken place over 200 years later---we're going to pay a steep price for thinking we're smarter then the framers.

"Thomas Jefferson warned us of this"

Did he?

Lewis Ranieri, a star Wall Street bond trader for Solomon Brothers in the late 1970s, was one of the first to understand the opportunities. His innovation in bond markets would trigger the greatest jeopardy to the national economy since the Great Depression. Ranieri invented the market for mortgaged based securities by exploiting the spread between debt issued by government housing agencies and US Treasuries and corporate debt.

By early 1985, the market he had invented for these securities had burgeoned to $270 billion. In 1988, Ranieri bought Florida 's Bank United, that became a major lender to real estate developers. His bank ownership enabled Ranieri to do for mortgage banking what Ford did for cars: vertically integrate derivative finance from Wall Street trading desks to the issuance of an original dollar of debt through a Florida mortgage owned by a homeowner looking for their slice of heaven in Florida . Ranieri sold the bank in 2000, after tripling his investment in just a couple of years, to Washington Mutual. The hugely profitable formula he had created was about to be taken on a midnight joy ride fueled by Alan Greenspan's historic low monetary policy.

It took less than a decade for Washington Mutual to implode, brought down financial derivatives that had already rained money on lawyers, accountants, bond salesman, Wall Street executives, and an Engineering Cartel. But if you were to ask industry executives about the causes of the historic meltdown that took down Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns and hundreds of banks around the country to date, they would call it an “accident”, a perfect storm.

It wasn't blameless. In late January 2003, HUD Secretary Mel Martinez, soon to be a US Senator from Florida , layed out Shrub's “Ownership Society” to Vegas homebuilders. “Bubbles of course do burst, but not the housing market… this Administration is making it easier for people to purchase their own homes, including minorities”.

Shrub's “Ownership Society” worked for the benefit of the top CEO's by inhibiting regulation of derivatives while throttling regulation that blocked growth in the fastest growing areas, like California , Texas , Nevada , and above all Florida , where Jeb fast tracked development and construction and killed regulatory barriers. Trust business to use market based mechanisms to protect the Wetlands and Water quality.

In 2003 Fannie Mae CEO, Franklin Raines, earned $20 million by cooking the books of the nation's largest mortgage clearinghouse. Raines left Fannie Mae in 2004, after it made a $6.3 billion restatement of earnings. There was more, much more to come.

What Franklin Raines achieved could never have happened without the cheering throngs of homebuilders and politicians who were trading contributions and favors by the boatload. Surely, such a solid basis for wealth could not turn against its participants. AIG sold insurance to anyone anyway. More than $90 billion in Fannie Mae shareholder value was been wiped out. In 2006, the OFHEO sued Raines in order to recover some or all of the $90 million in payments made to him on the overstated earnings. But, a paltry settlement allowed him and two other executives to keep the bulk of their riches.

The massive wealth destruction that is transforming the US economy is still a work in progress. There is still no accountability of those CEO's and their corporate boards that unleashed so much jeopardy to our national economic security. It used to be called "the free market" but for a select few, it truly was money for nothing.

Excerpted from Alan Farago

"Thomas Jefferson warned us of this and now it's taken place over 200 years later---we're going to pay a steep price for thinking we're smarter then the framers."

It is dishonest of you to pretend you know what Thomas Jefferson or any other of the founding fathers would think about anything today. Pretending that our situation is anything they could possibly have imagined is ridiculous. If that is your argument against health care reform, well it's weak, to say the least.

Thomas Jefferson warned us of this"

Did he?

#15 | Posted by nullifidian

Post #11---Nulli, what's going through your cerebrum other then "did he?"

NUTCASE

I remember a fact as clearly today as then:

When the Enron scandal broke TV and print media had corporate scandal as their headline stories every night for a solid week.

Guess what happened that pushed it right off the front page?

?

?

?

A sudden and unexpected speech by George Bush about Saddam and the possibility of going to war.

Not a coincidence the way it played out. Not a coincidence that even though Cheney said we had Saddam 'boxed in' days after 9/11 the decision to go to war had been made long before 9/11.

Not a coincidence the sudden Iraq announcement pushed what would have been weeks of headlines about corporate greed and malfeasance right off the front pages and TV broadcasts for good.

Post #11---Nulli, what's going through your cerebrum other then "did he?"

#18 | Posted by matsop

Only problem is, that's a fake quote.

It is dishonest of you to pretend you know what Thomas Jefferson or any other of the founding fathers would think about anything today. Pretending that our situation is anything they could possibly have imagined is ridiculous. If that is your argument against health care reform, well it's weak, to say the least.

#17 | Posted by danni

Aaaaaaah, Danni, I thought this thread was about the Federal Reserve and the banking industry and not healthcre reform---where did it show my comments have anything to do with healthcare---Methinks you're awfully defensive and I would assume you would apologize----see my post #11---and if no apology is forthcoming (even a backhanded one would suffice) I would surmise you unfortunately are the dishonest one and possibly ridiculous (although I don't like to make those derogatory comments about the well intentioned posters in their views).

Post #11---Nulli, what's going through your cerebrum other then "did he?"

#18 | Posted by matsop

Only problem is, that's a fake quote.

#20 | Posted by nullifidian

Not necessarily---open to debate.

"Not necessarily---open to debate."

Not unless you can find an actual, verifiable citation.

It is dishonest of you to pretend you know what Thomas Jefferson or any other of the founding fathers would think about anything today. Pretending that our situation is anything they could possibly have imagined is ridiculous. If that is your argument against health care reform, well it's weak, to say the least.
#17 | Posted by danni

Unlike you, Danni, the Founders were serious students of history. This country is going through a deterioration process that has repeated over and over again, for the same basic reasons. America is broke!

"Not necessarily---open to debate."

Not unless you can find an actual, verifiable citation.

#23 | Posted by nullifidian

Some of the words (inflation, deflation) were felt to be added at different times later, however the general context was kept in place based on a letter to John Taylor after the charter of the First United States Bank was revoked in 1811.

Fake jefferson quote:

www.dailypaul.com

Fake jefferson quote:

www.dailypaul.com

You need to let these folks know, dull.

www.quotationspage.com

wiki.monticello.org(Quotation)

quotes.liberty-tree.ca

Or believe Ron Paul

Fake jefferson quote:

www.dailypaul.com

You need to let these folks know, dull.

www.quotationspage.com

wiki.monticello.org(Quotation)

quotes.liberty-tree.ca

Or believe Ron Paul

#28 | Posted by goatman

Hahahahaha. That was about as pathetic as a "retort" I've seen. 3 links and none of them prove whatever your point is. lol

3 links and none of them prove whatever your point is

???

If you are too stupid to know what my point it, how do you know I didn't prove it?

What an idiot LOL Self contradict much, dull?

I don't play PettyGoat's games. None of his three links validate the fake Jefferson quote. Period.

There should be a daily flamefest thread just for you, GOATMAN LOL

Null, how about this one to John Taylor in 1816:

We may say with truth and meaning that governments are more or less republican, as they have more or less of the element of popular election and control in their composition; and believing, as I do, that the mass of the citizens is the safest depository of their own rights, and especially, that the evils flowing from the duperies of the people are less injurious than those from the egoism of their agents, I am a friend to that composition of government which has in it the most of this ingredient. And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.
Letter to John Taylor (28 May 1816) ME 15:23.

#31 | Posted by nullifidian

Come on and talk health care or somethin' ....

You don't have to feed GOATMAN LOL

Or Null, how about this one again to John Taylor:

The system of banking we have both equally and ever reprobated. I contemplate it as a blot left in all our Constitutions, which, if not covered, will end in their destruction, which is already hit by the gamblers in corruption, and is sweeping away in its progress the fortunes and morals of our citizens. Funding I consider as limited, rightfully, to a redemption of the debt within the lives of a majority of the generation contracting it; every generation coming equally, by the laws of the Creator of the world, to the free possession of the earth he made for their subsistence, unincumbered by their predecessors, who, like them, were but tenants for life.
Letter to John Taylor (28 May 1816) ME 15:18 : The Writings of Thomas Jefferson "Memorial Edition" (20 Vols., 1903-04) edited by Andrew A. Lipscomb and Albert Ellery Bergh, Vol. 15, p. 18.

I don't play PettyGoat's games. None of his three links validate the fake Jefferson quote. Period.

Monticello.org and quotationspage.com aren't valid, but Ron Paul is.

Whatever, dull. The lengths you go to to try to discredit me are so laughable. This "anyone but goat" thing has really gotten control of you, hasn't it? LOL BTW, Mother Goose probably agrees it isn't a quote, too. LOL

#31 | Posted by nullifidian

Come on and talk health care or somethin' ....

You don't have to feed GOATMAN LOL

#34 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

I don't think Goatman needs to be fed----his posts reveal he's hale and hearty.

#35 Not true. Ron Paul said so.

Dullifidian

#31 | Posted by nullifidian

Come on and talk health care or somethin' ....

You don't have to feed GOATMAN LOL

#34 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

I don't think Goatman needs to be fed----his posts reveal he's hale and hearty.

#37 | Posted by matsop

By the way, AU, there are those who think you're the infamous "WOKE" reincarnated---Is there any veracity to these ruminations?

Where did Danni go? I'm waiting for my apology.

"Monticello.org and quotationspage.com aren't valid,"
36 | Posted by goatman

They cite no verifiable source for that quote. PettyGoat sure is stupid.

By the way, AU, there are those who think you're the infamous "WOKE" reincarnated---Is there any veracity to these ruminations?

#39 | Posted by matsop

Absolutely not. Some idiot started that meme when I typed a long post with more caps than usual. I just felt like getting a little crazy with posts for an hour LOL.

By the way, AU, there are those who think you're the infamous "WOKE" reincarnated---Is there any veracity to these ruminations?

#39 | Posted by matsop

Absolutely not. Some idiot started that meme when I typed a long post with more caps than usual. I just felt like getting a little crazy with posts for an hour LOL.

#42 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Pheeew---glad to hear that----didn't believe that since your line of reasoning/logic is a step higher. Woke was famous for the caps.

Woke is basically a long-winded version of Celisary.

Speaking of which, where did they go? Not that I'm missing them...

PettyGoat sure is stupid

And you're a doody face. Neener, neener, neener

I guess. I know he and GOATMAN and someone else used to get into it. I wonder what happened to him?

BTW, I'm practicing an AFLAC parody, but I have a little tweaking to do. It's kind of like if I had to learn to play piano like I did when I was in 3rd grade. I was pretty good, but definitely didn't play at the level I play at now. LOL

I guess. I know he and GOATMAN and someone else used to get into it. I wonder what happened to him?

BTW, I'm practicing an AFLAC parody, but I have a little tweaking to do. It's kind of like if I had to learn to play piano like I did when I was in 3rd grade. I was pretty good, but definitely didn't play at the level I play at now. LOL

#47 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Don't know but if you were WOKE, goat would smell it out a thousand miles away in cyberspace.

What is that thing, a duck or goose?

Speaking of which, where did they go? Not that I'm missing them...

#45 | Posted by ZombieHunter

Come to think of it Celisary has been absent for some time.

MATSOP

AFLABL2's user name was "BushLoverTwo" when I signed up. He got embarrassed about Bush (others are come-to-Jesus "Libertarians" now), so he changed it to a very strange and not memorable user ID. Consequently, some of us just use AFLAC. It's easier.

What is that thing, a duck or goose?

#48 | Posted by matsop

That's a good question.

MATSOP

AFLABL2's user name was "BushLoverTwo" when I signed up. He got embarrassed about Bush (others are come-to-Jesus "Libertarians" now), so he changed it to a very strange and not memorable user ID. Consequently, some of us just use AFLAC. It's easier.

#50 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Didn't know that---glad he's around----gives some balance

Jefferson's quote is explained here:
wiki.monticello.org

That's what Frank and Dodd said too.

.. Excerpted from Alan Farago
#16 | Posted by nutcase at 2010-03-21 06:47 PM

Wow, excellent, concise stuff.

.. A sudden and unexpected speech by George Bush about Saddam and the possibility of going to war.
Not a coincidence the way it played out. Not a coincidence that even though Cheney said we had Saddam 'boxed in' days after 9/11 the decision to go to war had been made long before 9/11.
Not a coincidence the sudden Iraq announcement pushed what would have been weeks of headlines about corporate greed and malfeasance right off the front pages and TV broadcasts for good.
#19 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-03-21 07:02 PM

Excellent of you to recollect those moments for us. It still makes me upset to imagine all of this should have been easily averted by not allowing Congress to sign any declaration of war. It's a pity that didn't stop BushCo.

CNN and MSNBC basically have the same "information" and that comes from the same source as Fox. Anyone with half a brain watching BushCo manipulating their media outlets would still question their half-motives.

It really bugs me that Republicans, particularly fiscal conservatives don't realize how played they always are with these limited fact/incorrect editorial "news" - just like Glenn Beck and the 700 Club. I can't believe my fellow citizens are all really that stupid, this goes beyond statistical probability - that many people can't be that ignorant to BushCo obviously lying. So, I have to assume it's possible that ridiculously repeating "terror" did not change as many peoples minds as we have been led to believe. That the media and polls have been "fixed" around BushCo concepts and policies, reflecting their intent and I'm certain there was a percentage of the population who were similarly nonplussed and non-partisan at the time who simply weren't believing them. In fact, I think that so many people both Left and Right were not really buying the news koolaid that terrorism propaganda had to be given up once non-embedded journalists were being murdered by our own "accidental missiling" of their hotels inside of the "Green" Zone. Repeatedly. It's my opinion that most Americans did not ever have any faith in BushCo, were alarmed at the enhanced interrogation allegations and the Osama's terror plot is what we've experienced. We are told Republican citizens followed like lemmings, but it's part and parcel to selling any load of bullshit to claim that it already belongs to you.

#10

Amazing. A dozen reasons, and not a single Republican lawmaker named. A bunch of Dems, when they were in the minority party, but none of the folks who ran the country for most of the decade leading up to the meltdown. The asleep-at-the-wheel Bush-appointed SEC got ignored, too.

Matsop, could you be a bigger partisan hack?

The fact is he could not stand up to REagan. He was Reagon's Gonzales.

10

Amazing. A dozen reasons, and not a single Republican lawmaker named. A bunch of Dems, when they were in the minority party, but none of the folks who ran the country for most of the decade leading up to the meltdown. The asleep-at-the-wheel Bush-appointed SEC got ignored, too.

Matsop, could you be a bigger partisan hack?

#56 | Posted by Danforth

Dan, look into the mirror---how about #9----unchecked spending in the 2000s---no vetoes---sorry if I didn't cover all the repubs by name in congress that were spending---tried to keep my post somewhat limited. And you're right about the SEC---you may add it to the list if you desire along with Christopher Cox's name if you like. Just a comment, if there was ever a partisan hack, you are a par excellence one while yours truely is conservative leaning who holds both parties accountable for their abuses---you, my fine man, have never shown even an iota of postings where you condemn any type of misbehavior by some of the miscreants in your party---I go after them in both parties. Danforth, the poster child of partisan hacks.

"sorry if I didn't cover all the repubs by name in congress that were spending"

But you sure found the bandwidth to list a few Dems by name.

"you, my fine man, have never shown even an iota of postings where you condemn any type of misbehavior by some of the miscreants in your party"

Well, if you're talking about Independents, you're correct. If you're assuming I'm a Democrat, you're either a liar or an ignorant fool. I've had many posts where I've excoriated Pelosi, Reid, Rangel, and that guy named Obama.

But don't let that stop you from flinging your feces all around.

Well, if you're talking about Independents, you're correct. If you're assuming I'm a Democrat, you're either a liar or an ignorant fool. I've had many posts where I've excoriated Pelosi, Reid, Rangel, and that guy named Obama.

But don't let that stop you from flinging your feces all around.

#59 | Posted by Danforth

If that is the case then my apology is in order

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
Thomas Jefferson, (Attributed)
3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)

#11 | Posted by matsop at 2010-03-21 06:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Thomas Jefferson foresaw it, Andrew Jackson dealt with it.

Andrew Jackson shut down the federal bank for this very reason.

"If that is the case..."

Here's a sampling. I found dozens:

"If the average taxpayer did what (Rangel) did, it would be considered tax fraud. He should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law."
#38 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2010-02-27 04:06 PM

"I've said more negative things than positive things about this administration, as I haven't liked most of what they've done. I didn't like Cash for Clunkers, or the Home Buyer's Credit, or the appointment of Geithner. I've hated the way this administration has screwed up on vetting their nominees, never said a single good thing about Pelosi or Reid, called for Charley Rangel to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and come out foursquare against the current health bill."
#143 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2010-03-01 11:24 AM

"Pelosi & Reid are jagoffs who've seemingly never read Robert's Rules of Order. They campaigned on "clean bills" and "pay-go" and have violated both. I hope they're both shown the door next January."
POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2008-06-18 11:45 AM

An honest politician is one who, when he is bought, will stay bought.
Simon Cameron

Andrew Jackson was the bravest and greatest president.
He took on the Banking system and lived to tell about it.

It's almost unbelievable to imagine a world that is controlled by forces other than monetary or fiscal policy. How can this be? As we listen to Obama "fixing the economy" and Geithner and Paulson talk their mumbo jumbo, how can it be that those politicians and PhD economists are so impotent and full of shit all along.

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