FTA: Marcelas Owens, whose mother got sick, lost her job, lost her health insurance and died, said Thursday he's taking the attacks from Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Michelle Malkin in stride.

"My mother always taught me they can have their own opinion but that doesn't mean they are right," Owens, who lives in Seattle, said in an interview.

So, apparently, an 11 year old has more class than Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin and Glenn Beck put together.

Not that that's hard to do or anything.

Just saying...

Stay Classy, Rtards.

Be Well.

FTA: Owens' grandmother, Gina, who watched her daughter die, isn't quite so generous.

"These are adults, and he is an 11-year-old boy who lost his mother," Gina Owens said. "They should be ashamed."

They should be ashamed but, unfortunately, all of them have had special surgery done to remove their sense of shame and propiety.

/This was done in order to make room for extra hubris and ego.

Be Well.

/As he do
stage left.

The VALUES party.

Here are your values:
Clutching all your precious money to your chest and taking it with you into the afterlife.

Defending corporations and their rights to destroy america and american lives in pursuit of profit.

Defending your rights to destroy the planet to avoid higher prices on cheap goods and transportation.

Defending your right to be hypocritical, scolding and judging those who don't live by 'christian' standards, even though right wingers are anti-christian be definition.

Cheering from the sidelines to send the military to kill people in foreign lands that are not attacking our country.

For shame.

This kid shouldn't have to be in the public spotlight like this.

Republicans proving they are nothing but scum once again.

Wrong, they ridicule Democrats for using this child as a kiddie shield to pass their health care bill. This poor kid lost his mother and Democrats think it is A-OK to parade him around the country and force him to keep repeating what he was told to say. I feel very bad for this child and shame on those who refuse to let him get on with his life.

If his mother wasn't on Medicaid, she should have been. Apparently the state of Washington is at fault. And government run medicaid is at fault. It is ironic that as Democrats put it "she couldn't get Medicaid but passing this bill will fix that". So in essence they are saying government run medical plans don't work so they will create an even bigger government plan. Unfortunately the mother cannot speak for herself today but the political activist aunt can. And old George Soros has his finger in everything bad happening to this country.

Democrat politicians have turned into low lifes.

-Stay Classy, Rtards.

Be Well.

Funny Taters!

You'd think from KillerBunnyMan's post that the kid is at fault for having his Mom die, or Dems are at fault for bringing this example of the failed status quo to the public's attention.

Whether it's ridiculing children or elder Parkinson's patients, rwiggers are are becoming Dennis Miller-esque pants-pissers extraordinaire.

I'm looking forward to them running in the fall on rescinding the law against denying preexisting conditions for children, already in effect, or the tax breaks for small business.

And Mittsy is already running on not funding the legislation once it has become law, cutting off 32 million people from health care.... and the rest of us from annual caps, alternatives to flat out, non-negotiable rescission and denial of service.

Yeah, that'll werk.

This poor kid lost his mother and Democrats think it is A-OK to parade him around the country and force him to keep repeating what he was told to say.

Force?

Wot, are they holding a gun to the kids head?

Have they kidnapped his puppy and are sending threatening ransom notes?

Are they Waterboarding him, perhaps?

Be Well.

Democrat pimps

Democrat pimps

That little bastard is side man for the international communist conspiracy, who are dvoted to contaminating our precious bodily fluids.

--Right-Wing Idiots and the people who love them--

It isn't possible for these right wing pukes to go lower than this, is it?

Ya, Ms. Owens chose to die. Uh, huh.

Owens' grandmother, Gina, who watched her daughter die, isn't quite so generous.

"These are adults, and he is an 11-year-old boy who lost his mother," Gina Owens said. "They should be ashamed."

How pathetic that the dems whould use an 11 y/o in such a way.

"How pathetic the Dems would use an 11 year old in such a way....."

Yep. A lot of pathos to go around. You guys hate anyone that's legitimately hurting and talks about it, if talking about it might interfere with your agenda in any way.

RUSH LIMBAUGH will always be remembered for all of the MANY times he's publically hated persons who are genuinely sick. I'm willing to bet you like RUSH a lot.

nothing new here, rush ridiculed michael j fox.

malkin published the address of that kid a few years back when the dems were seeking to expand health care for kids

The Parkinson's patient ridiculed by the Teabaggers has two Masters and a PhD. Former nuclear engineer who had to retire because of his disease.

Considering that she was sick BEFORE she lost her job, and was in and out of the emergency room several times. Seems the libs are milking it for all it was worth.

Tifanny Owens died in June 2007 of pulmonary hypertension, which is described as high blood pressure in the arteries of the lungs that can lead to heart failure. The disease is considered rare. While there's no cure, it can be treated.

The treatments can cost as much as $100,000 a year and must be "consistent and constant," said Katie Kroner, the director of advocacy and awareness for the Pulmonary Hypertension Association.

* * * *

$100,000 a year. Well, that explains why the State of Washington--run by liberals, last I checked--didn't want to pay for it.

So the state that is open-minded enough to have a Die-With-Dignity Law didn't want to pony up tax dollars for their indigent poor to continue living.

Nice work libbies! And this is what you want for the country!

I would even say it's racist. If this were a white woman, would she still be alive today? Would the state of Washington somehow come up with the money to keep a poor white woman alive?

Hmmmm. Sure is a lot of concern now from Washington's political class, now that the patient is dead. That's another lesson for the rest of us.

This kid shouldn't have to be in the public spotlight like this.

He's not forced to do this. He chooses to do it because his mother got sick, couldn't work, lost her insurance and died from a treatable condition.

"And, I would say this to Marcelas Owens: 'Well, your mom would still have died, because Obamacare doesn't kick in until 2014.'"

Limbaugh's really great with kids, isn't he? It's a wonder he doesn't have any of his own.

It's pretty amazing that these conservatives don't see how bad it makes them look to attack a courageous 11-year-old child who suffered a terrible loss directly related to the lack of health insurance. It would be one thing if they stepped up with a better idea for Marcelas than Obama's plan. But they're just telling him he's shit outta luck.

So the state that is open-minded enough to have a Die-With-Dignity Law didn't want to pony up tax dollars for their indigent poor to continue living.

You seem to misunderstand how health insurance works. A large pool of people pay in so that the smaller pool of people who need the most expensive care can get it. States don't just set up funds to pay the medical costs of the indigent poor.

I've heard something about a little program called Medicaid. Why wasn't she on it? She was unemployed and poor. Is it the fault of conservatives that she didn't sign up for it, and if she did, that it didn't treat her?

Tell me RCade. How much are you willing to have your taxes go up, so that people in Washington State can avail themselves of treatments--not cures--that cost $100,000 a year?

Two thousand dollars a year? How about one thousand? People will still die of hypertension anyhow, and these are the questions that will be asked, more and more every year, under Obamacare. Money is finite, and between the boomers commanding bigger and bigger shares of the Medicaid and SS pie, there's nothing left for anyone else. Sorry. Until the Me Generation is dead and gone, you're going to be hearing a lot of sob stories.

She didn't die from lack of insurance. She died from hypertension, which has no cure. She died earlier than she should have, because the State of Washington's Medicaid program didn't cover her, for some reason. Or, 100,000 reasons, every year.

Does Obamacare do anything to remedy any of the above?

Tifanny Owens died in June 2007 of pulmonary hypertension, which is described as high blood pressure in the arteries of the lungs that can lead to heart failure. The disease is considered rare. While there's no cure, it can be treated.

The treatments can cost as much as $100,000 a year and must be "consistent and constant," said Katie Kroner, the director of advocacy and awareness for the Pulmonary Hypertension Association.

* * * *

$100,000 a year. Well, that explains why the State of Washington--run by liberals, last I checked--didn't want to pay for it.

So the state that is open-minded enough to have a Die-With-Dignity Law didn't want to pony up tax dollars for their indigent poor to continue living.

Nice work libbies! And this is what you want for the country!

#18 | Posted by rightisright

This is another example of Dems using the tactic of emotionalizing an issue to get passage(which they're famous for---instead of its' merits). The irony is this bill MAY result in more of the very same thing this poor kid is talking about-----rationing.

Tell me RCade. How much are you willing to have your taxes go up, so that people in Washington State can avail themselves of treatments--not cures--that cost $100,000 a year?

I'm willing to pay my fair share of universal health care, as long as myself and my family are assured of coverage when we need it.

She died from hypertension, which has no cure.

Not hypertension -- pulmonary hypertension. But it can be curable if there's an underlying cause that can be treated.

and liberal fucks all know good and well that its not the child who we are ridiculing..we arent ridiculing anyone..we care calling out the worthless goddamn dems for the sanctamonious "moral blackmail" turds they are.
and thats all this and all of the other letters are.
do you think they will read letters they get from people who are laid off or taken off thier insurance plans when this all kicks in
OOPS>..wait a min..a lot of these worthless dicks will be sacking groceries by then
nevermind

This thread typifies the difference between leftists and conservatives. A leftist reads something and if it especially fits into their frame of reference or ideology they will emotionalize it and accept it irregardless of facts or information. A true conservative will read the same information and before emotionalizing said information will check out the facts and then make an informed opinion. If the facts reveal a perversity, the conservative will then emotionalize depending on their frame of reference.

A true conservative will read the same information and before emotionalizing said information will check out the facts and then make an informed opinion.

And what's the informed conservative opinion on health reform -- do nothing at all and accept the present system? Nibble at the edges of the problem with longtime favorite policies like tort reform?

Bush and the Repubs had years to do something about this problem. They didn't, so it's the Democrats' job.

Not hypertension -- pulmonary hypertension. But it can be curable if there's an underlying cause that can be treated.

www.americanheart.org

#25 | Posted by rcade

Generally, primary pulmonary hypertension has a 2.8 year lifespan from point of diagnosis. However, progress is being made in this area, once again, thanks to an area of healhcare that sets us apart from the reat of the world---research.

Bush and the Repubs had years to do something about this problem. They didn't, so it's the Democrats' job.

#28 | Posted by rcade at 2010-03-20 01:05 PM

That is a lie and you know it. The repubs tried to bring up reform proposals and it was shot down by the likes of Kennedy, Reid and company. Even though it had been drafted in ways most dems would have embraced.

And what's the informed conservative opinion on health reform -- do nothing at all and accept the present system? Nibble at the edges of the problem with longtime favorite policies like tort reform?

Bush and the Repubs had years to do something about this problem. They didn't, so it's the Democrats' job.

#28 | Posted by rcade

Rcade---the dem's bill is not about "healthcare reform"----they throw some bones out with this bill---it's about taxes, budget deficits, and moving money around---and the healthcare industry benefits majestically again and premiums will continue to rise---why do you think HMO stocks, big pharma stocks and hospital stocks are rising---Friday was a huge day for HMO stocks in a declining market---no cost reductions (which everyone is screaming about)--even though Bush didn't pass a bill, now we're going to pass a bill for the sake of passing a bill. You'd better hope there's a huge change in Nov. before this guy in the WH can ensconce his own personal agenda.

The repubs tried to bring up reform proposals and it was shot down by the likes of Kennedy, Reid and company.

The Republicans could have pushed their own plan and tried to peel off Blue Dogs and other moderates.

As for the notion that they were legitimately trying to make changes to the Democrats' plan, I think that's best summed up by an exchange Reid had with a Republican who proposed an idea to him.

Reid: If I do this, will you vote for it?

Repub: No.

The Repubs weren't going to compromise. Their only goal has been to kill this and hamstring Obama.

You'd better hope there's a huge change in Nov. before this guy in the WH can ensconce his own personal agenda.

I voted him in office to enact that agenda, dude.

I voted him in office to enact that agenda, dude.

#33 | Posted by rcade

And what do you PERCEIVE that agenda to be?

Mat, the agenda is to make the US a socalist republic like they have in Europe. little o hase said that all along but the masses were too spun up by the press on Bush to listen to all the words.

"The Republicans could have pushed their own plan and tried to peel off Blue Dogs and other moderates."

That has nothing to do with your lie that the republicans never tried to do anything about reforming healthcare when they were in power. Reid, Kennedy, Waxman etc. voiced the minorities opposition to a republican proposal.

"Reid, Kennedy, Waxman etc. voiced the minorities opposition to a republican proposal."

And the Rs had "deem and pass" at their disposal, as well as the nuclear option. Although if any of what was proposed before is anything like their current "plan", thank God they didn't pass.

For example, one of the aspects of the Rs "plan" is to allow competition across state lines...provided the originating state gets to write the regulations.

Anyone see a problem with that?

I never get an answer to that question. Ever. When I ask a liberal to put it into a dollars-and-cents way out of his own pocket, he'll always say something like Rcade does. To his credit, at least he answered.

But I'll try again. There are millions of Americans with incurable diseases, but they can be treated at great expense. HOW MUCH MORE ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY IN TAXES, EACH AND EVERY YEAR, TO SEE THEM TREATED?

There will always be people dying of pulmonary hypertension. How much? A thousand? Two thousand?

Whatever the number was, it was too high for one of our most liberal states to stomach. Fortunately for liberals, her death can still be useful, if not her life.

provided the originating state gets to write the regulations.

Anyone see a problem with that?

#37 | Posted by Danforth
* * * *

No. I'd rather cherry-pick from plans and regulations of 50 individual states, than one Obama official. Or Bush, to be fair.

Have you personally checked out every insurance plan currently available in every state, and decided that Obamacare is better than all of them?

"Reid, Kennedy, Waxman etc. voiced the minorities opposition to a republican proposal."

"And the Rs had "deem and pass" at their disposal, as well as the nuclear option. Although if any of what was proposed before is anything like their current "plan", thank God they didn't pass."

Not arguing the merits of the proposal, but for rcade to echo Obama that the repubs never tried or had any reform plan when they were in power is a flat out lie.

"to echo Obama that the repubs never tried or had any reform plan when they were in power is a flat out lie."

But that's like suggesting water be thrown on a grease fire, and then claiming you had a "plan".

Much like Bush's SS privatization, when he finally had to admit his proposals wouldn't even address the problems.

Seriously, Crispee...you've shown a lot of insight on this subject...do you see problems with only allowing the originating state to write the insurance regulations? And would you really term that "reform"???

"Have you personally checked out every insurance plan currently available in every state, and decided that Obamacare is better than all of them?"

No.

And I'm on record from the beginning as being against this particular plan.

But have you seriously looked at the clusterfuck that would happen if writing insurance regulations were put up to the lowest bidder?

If you have a problem with that state's insurance regulations, you can choose from 49 others. What's more, if that state's regulations are too onerous, they'll have to change, to remain competitive.

But under Obamacare, one person writes the rules.

And someday, that person will be conservative. Maybe even a religious conservative. Uh oh.

But have you seriously looked at the clusterfuck that would happen if writing insurance regulations were put up to the lowest bidder?

#42 | Posted by Danforth
* * * *

Right offhand, I would say that costs would go down. Right now I cherry pick from two dozen or so high-deductible plans. I can change them at any time.

No matter how many times this has been posted, rcade and others continue to ignore it and the lies of the opposition party.

Bipartisan Cooperation on Health Care Is Dead on Arrival

By Steven Pearlstein
Wednesday, January 24, 2007

But the most surprising and encouraging development is that a president who for six years has only nibbled around the edges of health-care issues has weighed in with some bold ideas to expand coverage, rein in costs and bring some fairness to the tax code. And get this: It actually involves raising taxes on the rich and lavishly insured and giving the money to the working poor and the uninsured.

Given that, you'd think Democrats would have welcomed a politically courageous proposal to put a cap on one of the biggest and most regressive features of the individual income-tax code. But instead, they've shifted reflexively into partisan attack mode, mischaracterizing the impacts of the proposal and shamelessly parroting the propaganda from the labor dinosaurs at the AFL-CIO.

"Dead on arrival," declared Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.), chairman of a key health subcommittee in the House, hinting at a dark conspiracy to kill off employer-sponsored health insurance.

"A dangerous policy that ultimately shifts cost and risk from employers to employees," said Charlie Rangel, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee.

Tell me RCade. How much are you willing to have your taxes go up, so that people in Washington State can avail themselves of treatments--not cures--that cost $100,000 a year?

So the conservatives on this board support death panels for the poor now?

Just checking.

Right offhand, I would say that costs would go down. Right now I cherry pick from two dozen or so high-deductible plans. I can change them at any time.

#44 | Posted by rightisright at 2010-03-20 02:14 PM

Until you get sick and then get dropped and can't get covered by anybody.

"Right offhand, I would say that costs would go down."

Well, "off" is accurate.

Didn't you read the Rs proposal? Competition would be allowed across state lines, but the originating state would write the rules.

If you think stuff coming out of, say, Michigan is fucked up now, wait until the insurance companies offer a half-million jobs to the state so they can write the regulations you get to "pick" from.

"But the most surprising and encouraging development is that a president who for six years has only nibbled around the edges of health-care issues has weighed in with some bold ideas..."

Translation: When he could actually do something, he didn't. Now that he can't get anything passed, he's willing to pay lip service. Oh...and he's once again suggesting dumping water on the grease fire.

And what's the informed conservative opinion on health reform -- do nothing at all and accept the present system?

***PREMISE WRONG..this is a lie from the dem talking points***

Nibble at the edges of the problem with longtime favorite policies like tort reform?
***TORT REFORM WORKS IN TEXAS AND YOU KNOW IT DOES and why do you see one add after another for gieco and progressive...because across state lines shopping reduces your car insuranace and it could do the same for health***

Bush and the Repubs had years to do something about this problem. They didn't, so it's the Democrats' job.

*** yeah okay maybe a little agreement here..but its a safe comment to say that dems would have blocked ANYTHING the gop came up with and that would have been A OKAY for dems then ..just NOT NOW when its the other side doing the opposing.****
#28 | Posted by rcat 2010

"TORT REFORM WORKS IN TEXAS"

Link?

Seriously, Crispee...you've shown a lot of insight on this subject...do you see problems with only allowing the originating state to write the insurance regulations? And would you really term that "reform"???

#41 | Posted by Danforth at 2010-03-20 02:08 PM

I admit, I don't know enough about what had been proposed, under the scenario you ask, I would say no, that it is not reform. If that was what Bush and repubs offered as reform when it was mentioned in his State of the Union and all they proposed, than I agree it was worthless. I was going off what Pearlstein wrote saying there was some merit and based my point on that article.

BTW.. You are the only one who actually read the article and responded to the republican plans.

voted him in office to enact that agenda, dude.

#33 | Posted by rcade

we know but
that worm has turned
that ship has sailed

and there are still court challenges coming

ONE of the more interesting ones was on fox this AM
constitutional lawyer says that even though dems and CNN lawyers tell us that there will be no way gop can win those..he says there is a chance

FOR INSTANCE he mentioned the 'supremacy clause' which says that fed law trumps law..but IF gop can get court to say that the fed law used was unconstitutional then the supremacy law DOES NOT APPLY...

and INTERSTATE COMMERCE is also not necessarily applicable in his opinon.
MORE On that to come later.

more drs applied for liscense in texas than any other states.

more rural drs than ever..I linked this once before...

and JOHN EDWaRDS LEVEL payoffs of course are down because many of those are capped.

"BTW.. You are the only one who actually read the article and responded to the republican plans."

Yeah...I'm flawed that way.

Then again, in the 500+ posts on the health care bill a few weeks ago, you were one of only two posters who actually showed real intelligence regarding the underlying problems, as well as some common-sense solutions.

We need more folks like you.

interstate commerce clause has been overused and expanded out of the rhelm of the intent is what this guy said had to be argued and he used some examples of where the court has said it DID NOT APPLY..

lets see..let me find it in my notes..
talk amoung yoursleves..

OKAY something about clinton v NY I think it reads..

if the vote tomorrow is on the SENATE bill seperately that is unconstitutional but if its a vote on the RULE then it IS....because it clearly states that the two houses much have the same language..

OH HERE THEY ARE

Gun free school zones..SUPREME COURT said that keeping guns away from school zone was an "overreach of the commerce clause'

and a violence against women law...left argued that this would keep women at home and thus out of 'comerce'

supreme court made same ruling..so there IS some room there..

keeping guns away from school zone

sorry..the case was about some law...not clear which side was saying what

but REGARDLEss there are supreme court rulings AGAINST commerce clause.

"under the scenario you ask, I would say no, that it is not reform. If that was what Bush and repubs offered as reform when it was mentioned in his State of the Union and all they proposed, than I agree it was worthless. "

But do they still get to call it "reform"?

Just like SS privatization, which didn't address the problems, do the Rs get to claim they offered a solution?

Call me crazy, but if a fire is raging, and, when asked for a fix, someone suggests eating pumpkin seeds, I don't think they should later claim "well, I offered a solution!"

"Yeah...I'm flawed that way."

One of those good flaws to have, even if it hurt my argument, at least you argued with the facts as they were presented. So it is appreciated and right back at you on the compliment.

"right back at you on the compliment."

Satan: Did I just feel a chill???

The lib's can't win the honest debate on this health care debacle so they try to tug at the heart-strings of the ill-informed.

Does this mean the poor 11 yr old is another in the long line of the Marxist "useful idiots?"

The Repubs weren't going to compromise. Their only goal has been to kill this and hamstring Obama.

#32 | Posted by rcade

As they've made clear on more than one occasion. The GOP's goal isn't to help average Americans, it's to help their fat cat cronies, which is exactly what they did when they were in power to the tune of $7 Trillion dollars.

With all the whining about deficits and 'government programs' they GOP throw around you'd think they'd have voted down W's tax cuts, which were scored by the CBO as the larges single deficit creating tax cuts ever enacted. Or Medicare Part D, which was scored as a deficit creator. Did that stop the GOP, did we hear a single peep from them at that time about debt and deficits? No.

perhaps if they had ONE SINGLE time not been locked out while leftists radicals came up with this shit with the blessing AND ORDERS of the unions then it might all be different
and if shit like the cbo report wasnt achieved with lies and fraud...it might be different

left is fond of putting medicare out as argument but it got a pretty decent bipartisan support from what I hear...it wasnt like this anyway..

and if you didnt hear anything AU its because you werent listening or you couldnt hear me.
I have said it as strongly as I can come up with...and if you have ever read a comment from me you KNOW THAT this is as INSULTING as I can get.
bush spent like a democrat.

"Satan: Did I just feel a chill???"

More like an Oprah moment...lol

AND This subject is a shining example of leftwing hypocricy to the Nth degree

they smear and lie and bellow about gop FEAR TACTICS and then come out with this poor young man as simple moral blackmail fodder.
dispicable from either side...but if dems dont like it...STOP reading all those letters and stories..many of which in the past year have been shown to be lies.
IE the pres talking about the guy saying he died because of no insurance and he did die..FIVE YEARS LATER...

and "LET ME BE CLeAR"

it is NO ACCIDENT OR coincidence that this kids grandmother works for a group funded by GEORGE SOROS...

This thread typifies the difference between leftists and conservatives. A leftist reads something and if it especially fits into their frame of reference or ideology they will emotionalize it and accept it irregardless of facts or information. A true conservative will read the same information and before emotionalizing said information will check out the facts and then make an informed opinion. If the facts reveal a perversity, the conservative will then emotionalize depending on their frame of reference.

Matsop,

You can say some really intelligent things some times.

Then you say stuff like this.

Is it dependent on coffee intake levels? Time of day? What personality is dominant at the time?

The lib's can't win the honest debate on this health care debacle so they try to tug at the heart-strings of the ill-informed.

LOL

That must be why absolute obstructionism is the Repubs official policy.

AFLAC

What about all the other personal stories? What about the millions who will lose their health insurance THIS year?

You get socialized health care and free socialist libraries to use.

I PAID for the use of this computer and continue to do so

I paid for medicare WHEN it is time with payroll taxes et cetera...sorry if you think that I shouldnt get anything for all those months of paying out money but I think I should.
but thats another silly argument that just doesnt hold water when we are talking about ANOTHER entitlement that WILL be closer to THREE TRILLION than ONLY" 940 billion and I think most of you on that side know that.

I cant help but believe that there isnt someway to help those people without govt takeover and THEFT OF SOCIAL Security...taxes on unearned income...medicare cuts that WILL NEVER HAPPEN...paying TEN years for only SIX years of benefits and all mainly based on FRAUDULENT cbo report because most of dems who said they were NOW yes called that report the main reason.

That must be why absolute obstructionism is the Repubs official policy.

#69 | Posted by jpw

well you would be right if you just mimicked the leftwing talking points like the pres this week and didnt bother to look at paul ryans stuff or the other sites listing gop ideas...dems wont go for that though..too much personal liberty and not enough govt heavy handed control.

AND AGAIN>..court defense using commerce clause NOT A SLAM DUNK.....

I PAID for the use of this computer and continue to do so

I paid for medicare WHEN it is time with payroll taxes et cetera...sorry if you think that I shouldnt get anything for all those months of paying out money but I think I should.

Translation-Welfare and socialism is the devil until I need it, then it's A-OK.

Yet more of the 'I've got mine so fuck everyone else' mentality.

So, you'll testify to how bad Medicare is and how much you hate it, right?

It's 'government run health care', after all. A 'government run health care' system overwhelmingly popular among those who use it.

bullshit.
its the COMMERCE CLAUSE In my contract. been paying county taxes since I shoveled ice cream at baskin robbins,.....makes me eligible for some time to "VISIT" with you nice sumbitches here

AND AU

you keep pushing me into age for medicare
CUT THAT SHIT OUT :)

AFLAC

If you ever did any reading in that library you'd see the same comments were made during the lead up to Medicare - which you enjoy.

and you will both be happy to know that the bum who stands on the corner not far from here is inside and out of the rain

OH and I was NOT ARRESTED YESterDAY at the barbara bush branch......I decided to let the LIBRARY POLICE handle the asshole without my 'help'...

I read all day long and into the night and I Know that you know that..so only a nice try.
...about to leave for starbucks two hour session on ATLAS SHRUGGED but cant get any help....almost 300 pages and still waiting on the conservative 'revalation" I was promised...so far just a bunch of shit about a railroad..

and medicare is BROKEN and not likely to be fixed..guess the next bright and shining example you will give is the post office or the DMV.

and IM NOT THAT OLD YET

This bill ensures the viability of Medicare for 9 years more than it presently is. Bad, huh, AFLAC?

been paying county taxes since I shoveled ice cream at baskin robbins,.....makes me eligible for some time to "VISIT" with you nice sumbitches here

So socialism IS fine when you benefit from it?

I've heard more than one "conservative" in this forum defend mass starvation and suicide. Given that, it surprises me not they'd bitch about health care.

You guys have bragged in this very thread about how "emotionless" your reasoning is. Unfortunately, being a hard-headed bastard still means you're a bastard. As someone else has remarked before me, it is in fact possible to understand why the French turned on the aristocracy in the 18th Century.

I PAID FOR THE SUMBITCH

what the hell is so hard to understand...I guess you better stay off the roads because you are a socialist if you use them??

completely silly argument and is nothing more than a chance or what you percieve as a chance for a 'gotcha'..
aint buying it..........

This puts me in mind of recent analyses of the current economic malaise. The consensus seems to be that a small clique of very rich capitalists came within an ace of destroying capitalism in this country because of an absolute addiction to selfish and short-term financial gain.

These people can be and should be identified. Their profits should be confiscated as social reparations, and many should also be placed into prison.

Bernie Madoff wasn't an isolated case. In fact, he appears to have been an honest thief compared with some.

I PAID FOR THE SUMBITCH

what the hell is so hard to understand...I guess you better stay off the roads because you are a socialist if you use them??

You don't hear me blathering on and on aobut socialism and how it's destroying this country, do you?

completely silly argument and is nothing more than a chance or what you percieve as a chance for a 'gotcha'..
aint buying it..........

No, it's your hypocrisy in looking the other way when socialism suits you while assuming it's different for others.

Yes, there are people who live off the system and don't pay in.

But there's also many people who HAVE paid in and have just as much right to benefit from it as YOU DO.

It has nothing to do with saying 'gotcha' as it does to maybe, just maybe, get you to see that people who support and will benefit from this are just like you are.

That must be why absolute obstructionism is the Repubs official policy.

The Dem's control both houses and the WH?? WTF!!

They didn't need or even try to include the GOP in the process. Quit your bitching/blaming!

This steaming turd of a bill is all yours palzo...

"I paid for medicare WHEN it is time with payroll taxes et cetera"

TOTAL bullshit. There is no way the puny medicare taxes will cover the average retiree's health costs.

Afkabibble doesn't like subsidies, unless they're to his benefit.

That must be why absolute obstructionism is the Repubs official policy.
The Dem's control both houses and the WH?? WTF!!
They didn't need or even try to include the GOP in the process. Quit your bitching/blaming!

I'm assuming your first line is quoting me?

In that case, I'm not blaming the Repubs for anything.

I was saying that if the Dems were pushing THAT bad of a bill on THAT bad of a topic, an official policy of obstructionism WOULD NOT be needed.

In fact, I think the opposite would be the result-the giving of ALOT of rope.

But that's not what we see.

I guess I thought my point was obvious.

"I PAID FOR THE SUMBITCH"

No, you didn't.

You paid in pennies, and expect to get out many, many dollars. You now want to be subsidized, whether you admit it or not.

But I'll try again. There are millions of Americans with incurable diseases, but they can be treated at great expense. HOW MUCH MORE ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY IN TAXES, EACH AND EVERY YEAR, TO SEE THEM TREATED?

The society you want to live in -- in which some people's survival costs too much so we let them die -- isn't one I'd want to be a part of. 350,000 Americans are on kidney dialysis. In 2007, Medicare spent $8.6 billion on the treatment and medications of dialysis patients of all ages.

HOW MUCH MORE ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY IN TAXES, EACH AND EVERY YEAR, TO SEE THEM TREATED?

rcade raises a good point which leads to a counter question-

How much are you willing to save for your own selfish, greedy ass to allow others to die?

Afkabibble doesn't like subsidies, unless they're to his benefit.

#87 | Posted by Danforth

You are a hypocrit...

Why should he "shoot himself in the foot", to quote Danforth himself. If it is available and legal, why shouldn't he part take in the legal confiscation of my labor?

"Should we let them all die?" - RCade

Is your proposition that no amount of money is too much to spare a life, for an indeterminate amount of time? What does society owe an individual regarding healthcare?

"The society you want to live in -- in some people's survival costs too much so we let them die -- isn't one I'd want to be a part of." - RCade.

Silliness, where is there a society that doesn't allocate resources, where some people don't die due to shortages in medical allocation. People die in Canada from waiting in line for procedures.

I understand that it might be a complex dynamic, but price, and shortages are interrelated.

Given that, if we start forcing lower prices on Doctors, Hospitals et al. We will be in the same position as Canada. Don't look at todays resources as being here tommorrow, when you change the resource allocation mechanisms, things will change and we don't know how yet. But we do know this the bigger the change, the bigger the disruption will be.(Evolutionary Biology 101).

"We will be in the same position as Canada."

Which means a lot better situation for most of the population, but maybe not for a privileged few.

To put it another way, today we are technology bound in the healthcare domain. While some cannot afford it, others can. Technology is free to experiment, improve, and charge what it can to cover its costs.

If we control costs through draconian governmental price controls, we will be medical access, resource bound.

We will have adopted a whole new set of bounding problems. Lets not forget it will be a transition period, in which things might a lot worse before they get better. Again a course in Evolutionary Biology might help here.

"Again a course in Evolutionary Biology might help here."

Is there a point here? Does one need to take a course in "evolutionary biology" to comprehend Andrea's posts?

Is your proposition that no amount of money is too much to spare a life, for an indeterminate amount of time? What does society owe an individual regarding healthcare?

Of course not. But anyone with insurance is already in a pool where a few people cost a huge amount to care for while the rest make that possible and bless their own good health. When I worked at a newspaper, one of our 300 employees had massively expensive heart surgeries. Should we have pushed him down the stairs one evening?

If everyone is in the same pool, costs for all of us go down and our life expectancy grows. Uninsured people are getting care from ER, which is health care at its most expensive and least able to make a positive long-term difference.

This thread typifies the difference between leftists and conservatives. A leftist reads something and if it especially fits into their frame of reference or ideology they will emotionalize it and accept it irregardless of facts or information. A true conservative will read the same information and before emotionalizing said information will check out the facts and then make an informed opinion. If the facts reveal a perversity, the conservative will then emotionalize depending on their frame of reference.

Matsop,

You can say some really intelligent things some times.

Then you say stuff like this.

Is it dependent on coffee intake levels? Time of day? What personality is dominant at the time?

#68 | Posted by jpw

At times I like to think outside the box and develop a line of reasoning outside the norm or what isn't repetitively being proffered by everyone---often provokes thought processing by individuals---goes back to my philosophy leanings--we used to have to write papers on statements provided by the profs---often the statement was such that almost 100% of the class would write on one side of the argument since it was obvious to them it reflected current societal thought---I would take the other side and through a contortion of logic develop my position on the hypothesis--my prof loved it and encouraged me to go into philosophy----didn't but should have been an attorney---also part of my contrary nature--don't let anyone think for me---the reflex reaction to this thread was what pushed me on this one---you could apply it to people on both sides of any issue---it's reflexive, nonthinking thought that drives me nuts---don't drink coffee.

i guess i dont see this as a "Con" ridiculing his story. He is just calling the Dems out on exploiting peoples losses for political gain.

i guess i dont see this as a "Con" ridiculing his story. He is just calling the Dems out on exploiting peoples losses for political gain.

#98 | Posted by bph320

Like most of these stories convenient parts of the situation is presented and often you don't get the entire information.

The VALUES party.

Here are your values:
Clutching all your precious money to your chest and taking it with you into the afterlife.

Defending corporations and their rights to destroy america and american lives in pursuit of profit.

Defending your rights to destroy the planet to avoid higher prices on cheap goods and transportation.

Defending your right to be hypocritical, scolding and judging those who don't live by 'christian' standards, even though right wingers are anti-christian be definition.

Cheering from the sidelines to send the military to kill people in foreign lands that are not attacking our country.

For shame.

#3 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Just had to repost this - AWESOME!

I've been wanting to ask this for a while now, but does anyone else just kind of scroll past AFKLBLA2's posts until it gets to the next person?

the united states is now a country that is decimated by it's own disgusting vomit!

Being from Washington state, i can tell you that it is very likely true that she didn't qualify for medicaid. Her son would, but she wouldn't if she was collecting unemployment. Basic health is nearly impossible to get and it is just a really lousy health care plan--high copays and deductibles and it's even harder to find a provider than it is with medicaid. I don't know about Seattle, but here in Spokane, if you go to a hospital without insurance, they do as little as they can get away with and then will send you an enormous bill. Doctors will not see you without insurance or cash up front. Even the clinics for low income people want cash up front and they charge just as much as a private doctor, only they treat you like scum because they can. This poor woman was screwed from the get go and for this to become a joke to some people makes me sick.

Being from Washington state, i can tell you that it is very likely true that she didn't qualify for medicaid

missesmerelda Please stop using facts, it screws up the Lefties messages that are solely based on feelings.

"Why should he "shoot himself in the foot", to quote Danforth himself. If it is available and legal, why shouldn't he part take in the legal confiscation of my labor?'

Who the fuck said he shouldn't?

All I'm saying is he shouldn't kid himself that he actually paid for what he's receiving.

"a "sob story" exploited by the White House and congressional Democrats like a "kiddie shield" to defend their health care legislation."

Nailed it!

... here in Spokane, if you go to a hospital without insurance, they do as little as they can get away with and then will send you an enormous bill.

Here in Florida, hospitals have one price for the uninsured and one price as low as 1/20th the price for insurance companies.

I just love it when the libbies try to portray small-government conservatives as selfish, when they don't even want to pay a single dime to have made a difference anyhow.

This woman lived in the bluest of the blue states, which has a Medicaid program. She's dead now, and we're supposed to believe it's because there's not a federal program that would have paid $100,000 to treat her condition.

Fact is, if liberals were as sensitive and as kind and as generous as they advertise themselves to be, she would be alive today. Instead, they're using her death as a prop. Ask them for a number, and there's not a single liberal on planet earth willing to cut a check to keep people like this alive. Not one. The richest man on planet earth lives a couple of zip codes over, but it's somehow Repub's fault that she didn't get her treatments.

In ten years, when Obamacare is the law of the land, people like this will still be dying, and their little children will have a right to wonder why liberals don't give a damn.

I just love it when the libbies try to portray small-government conservatives as selfish, when they don't even want to pay a single dime to have made a difference anyhow.

...
#108 | Posted by rightisright

I just love it when the greediest little money-grubber on Drudge calls others "selfish".

Bill Clinton had to shove his economic plan down the GOP's throats without a single Republican vote.

They moaned and whined exactly as they are now. Claimed it would bring ruination to America. Huge deficits. Well, we had the best economy in a few decades and ended with surpluses projected out 10 years the GOP blew as promptly as possible on tax cuts the CBO scored as creating $2 Trillion in deficits.

Did they care about multi trillion dollar deficits the CBO scored for their tax cuts in 2001 and 2003?

Uh, no.

BTW, that was 1993. Close vote. Not a single Republican.

I just love it when the greediest little money-grubber on Drudge calls others "selfish".

#109 | Posted by nullifidian
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I've got $1,000 that says I give more to charity than you do. Let's go offsite, and compare tax returns.

$1,000. Should be easy money for you. Right?

And in 1994, Republicans took over the Congress, and (briefly--six years) forced Clinton to accept a smaller federal government.

"I've got $1,000 that says I give more to charity than you do."

These rtards always talk about their tax-deductible charitable donations when they're not whining about needing another tax cut. This particular leech, RubeisRube, was in favor of Bush's trillion dollar war financed by trillion dollar tax cuts.

"I just love it when the greediest little money-grubber on Drudge calls others "selfish"."

#109 | Posted by nullifidian

Fact or Opinion?

Fact is, if liberals were as sensitive and as kind and as generous as they advertise themselves to be, she would be alive today. Instead, they're using her death as a prop. Ask them for a number, and there's not a single liberal on planet earth willing to cut a check to keep people like this alive. Not one.

This is completely irrational. No health care system on Earth works by relying on individual acts of charity to save people like this boy's mom.

If you are in a health insurance plan, rightisright, and you become seriously ill you will be depending on the other members of that plan to fund your health care costs. You are relying on the collective help of others.

Health care reform isn't about liberals wanting to be generous or conservatives wanting to be stingy. It's about working together to accomplish something that is completely impossible for individuals to do alone.

Whether you're in an HMO or a government-managed health care plan, it's the same principle at work.

Within the Federal employee system, individuals can contribute some of their paid sick leave to others. Nice perk.

"completely impossible for individuals to do alone."
#116 | Posted by rcade

Is your faith in your fellow man reflective of your faith in yourself?

She was in a government-managed plan. It's called Medicaid, and she's dead. But the Democrats want to pretend it's the Repub's fault.

Under Obamacare, the states will have to take on 31 million additional Medicaid patients. Tell me Rcade: if Obamacare were the law of the land a year ago, would this woman be alive today?

This is a very simple question, kinda like how much you're willing to pay, personally:

If ObamaCare were national law a year ago, would this woman be alive today? or not? Would the state of Washington been able to find the money to fund $100,000 in treatments? Or would her case file still be sitting on some bureaucrat's desk?

Is your faith in your fellow man reflective of your faith in yourself?

It has nothing to do with faith in myself vs. faith in others. The private health insurance system has been broken for years, and it's progressively getting worse. Premiums are shooting through the roof. More and more people are being dropped and rendered uninsurable by "pre-existing conditions."

Because the Republicans didn't solve this problem on their watch, the Democrats are doing it.

Premiums are shooting through the roof.

You actually believe they will drop? Even the rate of increase?

"Even the rate of increase?"

Yes, if for no other reason that another generation like the last of rate increases wildly outpacing inflation will bankrupt us all.

Sure, the rate of increase will stop. Just like they have in the UK and Canada and elsewhere. There's no money, so government boards decide who lives and who dies.

Just like, a few months ago, the Medicaid system in Washington decided that this woman was going to die. Only difference is, now we'll all be paying more, for the same result.

Yes, if for no other reason that another generation like the last of rate increases wildly outpacing inflation will bankrupt us all.

Posted by Danforth

Seriously doubt it. Anticipation of Obamacare will need stockpiling.

Another example of the left/dems using this poor child as a victim for political means.

Is there a single leftie who believes this woman would be alive today if Obamacare were law a year ago? How about 5?

If so, let's hear it. If not, then it's an example of you trotting out an 11-year-old boy to make political hay for no reason whatsoever.

Is there a single leftie who believes this woman would be alive today if Obamacare were law a year ago? How about 5?

Absolutely. Pulmonary hypertension is treatable. $100,000 a year is expensive, but so is kidney dialysis, and Medicare pays for 350,000 people a year to get that treatment.

The still would have made fun of this kid, but now they REALLY pile it on because he's black.

Strange though, LimpBlob seems to love the young black boys. Perhaps it's only the Dominican ones.

Absolutely. Pulmonary hypertension is treatable. $100,000 a year is expensive, but so is kidney dialysis, and Medicare pays for 350,000 people a year to get that treatment.
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I see. So the fact that she was uninsured means that she would be going onto Medicaid . . . which is where she was in the first place. And she didn't get treatment, and she died.

That's the problem with liberalism, at its core--believing in mutually exclusive things.

1. Increase coverage by 31,000,000 people
2. Better access
3. Lower costs

You guys will believe anything Obama says. It's surreal.

We don't believe a thing you say, RiR, so it all balances out LOL

One can pretty much go with the opposite of what you say and be correct.

Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the good news of the kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness among the people.

Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.

Jesus went through all the towns and villages, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the good news of the kingdom and healing every disease and sickness.

Heal the sick

Aware of this, Jesus withdrew from that place. Many followed him, and he healed all their sick

When Jesus landed and saw a large crowd, he had compassion on them and healed their sick

wan more?

Let me know tighties....

wonder how much he got paid...

Just like all the Republican Congressmen spouting off long debunked bullshit on C-SPAN

#133 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Jesus, as the Son of God, could have been anything he wanted to be - a king, potentate, emir, or the richest man on Earth.

He chose to be a poor man from humble beginnings to teach us all what love and charity and humility are. That "as you do unto the least of these, so you do unto Me." He wanted us to be Christ like and help the poor, heal the sick, minister to the sick at heart. He made no bones about it. Clear cut.

Maybe He weeps sometimes when He sees what man has done in His name.

And with His name.

Time to put the Christ back in Christianity.

If Jesus showed up today, the libbies would have him arrested for faith healing.

Not that they would recognize him anyhow. I wonder how Jesus would feel about bailing out Goldman Sachs? Or abortion?

Tell me Unity--do you think Jesus is pro-choice?

"For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb" Psalm 119:73.

You libbies don't mind re-writing the Constitution to suit your fancy. How about the Old Testament?

" How about the Old Testament?"

It's bullshit for morons.

Jesus, as the Son of God, could have been anything he wanted to be - a king, potentate, emir, or the richest man on Earth.

I wondered about that. How could Jesus be God and the Son of God at the same time? If Satan had the power to offer Jesus those things, then God had no power.

If you recall, God gave permission for Satan to tempt Jesus and Jesus knew all about it well in advance. Just as Satan had to get permission from God to test Job.

"a king, potentate, emir, or the richest man on Earth"

Myth for morons.

That's the problem with liberalism, at its core--believing in mutually exclusive things.

You're stringing words together, but you're not making a hell of a lot of sense. If that woman lived in a country with universal care, she would have received treatment for pulmonary hypertension and would likely be alive today.

Her death was a preventable tragedy. We pay more for health care and get less than most Western countries. The current system you are going to such lengths to defend today failed miserably.

"If Satan had the power to offer Jesus these things...."

Satan is a liar, RAY.

Satan is a liar, RAY

In addition to a figment of your imagination, ZED.

Zed has an active imagination, but compared to Ray he's stupid, too.

Moses is a myth, too.

We have Ramses' mummy.

"In addition (to being) a figment of your imagination....."

Everyone chooses sides, ZOMBIE. You've chosen yours. The great thing, though, is you can jump ship at any time. The transition will be painless.

"We have Rameses mummy...."

What we don't have is precise chronology of Egyptian kings.

Look at ZAT---He's halfway there without even realizing it.

Everyone chooses sides, ZOMBIE.

Yes, I elect to be on the side that is not jumping at its own shadow and yammering on about the virtues of their imaginary friends.

The great thing, though, is you can jump ship at any time. The transition will be painless.

Yes, lobotomies are generaly painless.

Hey, ZAT---I understand some physicists think there's no upward limit in regards to the laws of quatum mechanics----They might work with big things, too---How does that impact your notion of everyday reality? Just curious.

Lobotomies are entirely painless once you enter the brain itself. I'm sure you knew that.

"If Satan had the power to offer Jesus these things...."
Satan is a liar, RAY.
#144 | POSTED BY ZED

Than so was Jesus.

"Then so was Jesus...."

Specify the lie. I'm curious.

If you recall, God gave permission for Satan to tempt Jesus and Jesus knew all about it well in advance. Just as Satan had to get permission from God to test Job.
#141 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITYK

Then the three temptations was a charade.

If that woman lived in a country with universal care, she would have received treatment for pulmonary hypertension and would likely be alive today.
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Actually, she wouldn't. In the UK, they routinely deny treatments for cancers and heart disease because of expense. In Canada, she would still be stuck on a waiting list for the first appointment.

But I'll give you liberals the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you can improve quality of care, increase the number of insured by 31 million while holding the number of doctors constant, AND do it with less cost. Maybe Obama really is the Messiah, after all, and can operate in a realm unbounded by math, physics, and logic.

Bi-location, once thought impossible at the macro level, may indeed be possible. Bi-location, as you might recall, is a miracle attributed to certain Christian personages, most recently Padre Pio. It's also a feature of "crisis apparitions".

"Then the three tmeptations was a charade...."

Not for Satan, RAY. He was serious. But Jesus was good at spotting liars.

I understand some physicists think there's no upward limit in regards to the laws of quatum mechanics

Think you can be a little more specific than "upward limit"?

By the way, quantum mechanics is no mystery. I tried that thing with the cat. The garage started to stink, so I opened the box. Guess what... damn thing had been dead for days.

Jesus lied because he wasn't really tempted because he knew Satan had nothing to tempt him with. Christians made that little story into a celebrated case.

"Think you can be a little more specific...."

What I can tell you is that there is active experimentation to see how small/big something has to be before quantum laws no longer apply.

"Jesus lied because he wasn't really tempted...."

Stop being concrete, RAY. Christ was tempted. He just blew it off. An example of good character, not bad.

Q. What's the difference between an automobile mechanic and a quantum mechanic?

A. A quantum mechanic can get his car into the garage without opening the door.

Heisenberg is out for a drive when he's stopped by a traffic cop. The cop asks him "Do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg replies "No, but I know where I am."

"The garage started to stink...."

In others words, you made an observation, a measurement of the cat.

Q: What happens when electrons lose their energy?
A: They get Bohr'ed

An electron calls the police to say "Somebody just robbed my electron", the policeman replied "Are you sure?" to which the electron replied "Of course I'm sure,in fact, I'm positive!"

Lazarus was neither alive nor dead until his tomb was opened, perhaps.

Stop being concrete, RAY. Christ was tempted. He just blew it off. An example of good character, not bad.
#162 | POSTED BY ZED

If Jesus knew in advance, how could he be tempted? You're contradicting yourself.

Jesus knew in advance He would be tempted by Satan. He also knew in advance Satan is a liar. Where's the contradiction?

Bi-location, once thought impossible at the macro level, may indeed be possible.

Bi-location? As in being in two places at once?

Bi-location, as you might recall, is a miracle attributed to certain Christian personages, most recently Padre Pio. It's also a feature of "crisis apparitions".

Was Padre Pio a pion? You don't see that sort of behavior in macroscopic systems (at least in ones like an organism). Say all the matter in a human being exists in some sort of bizarre coherent state (a prerequisite for the behavior you're describing to have an basis in any quantum effect). It's absurd. Molecules in the air or light from the sun would destroy that state in a period of time shorter than what it would take to recognize that you were seeing something wierd.

I just explained the contradiction. It's right there in front of you.

If I offered you a million dollars for saying nice things about me, I can't imagine you would take me seriously. There is no temptation.

Lazarus was neither alive nor dead until his tomb was opened, perhaps.

Lol. Such things don't happen in ordinary macroscopic systems. Was Lazarus a crystal at a billionth of a degree above absolute zero? A puddle of superfluid helium? A neutron star?

"You don't see that sort of behavior in macro systems....."

At the moment, the door seems open to it.

"I just explained the contradiction...."

I just explained why it wasn't. Perhaps the answer occupies two opposing states simultaneously?

No point in pursuing.

"You don't see that sort of behavior in macro systems....."

If you're going to quote me, at least bother to do so accurately.

At the moment, the door seems open to it

Not in the way that you're obviously thinking. When you hear about potential for macroscopic systems to behave in ways that cannot be described classically, nobody is talking about anything remotely resembling a person (i.e. your teleporting priest). Do you not realize the importance of the distinction, or are you deliberately avoiding it?

"Not in the way you're thinking...."

Precisely in the way I'm thinking. Hence, the experimentation.

Precisely in the way I'm thinking.

You're thinking, "I believe in inexplicable phenomena that contradict physical laws, so I will attribute them to QM because it popularly thought of as permitting counterintuitive behavior".

Hence, the experimentation.

Yes, I'm sure. I challenge you to find one physicist doing research on macroscopic consequences of QM that pertains to old myths. What I would dearly love to read is your rationale for why said research vindicates your superstitions.

...How pathetic that the dems whould use an 11 y/o in such a way.

#13 | Posted by em385guy...

Oh Sure. And Sarah Palin would NEVER parade around the country signing books with her newborn Autistic child dangling out of a bookbag?

Cons Ridicule 11-Year-Old's 'Sob Story'
Conservative talk show hosts and ...

Posted by dethspud

It's bad enought that you have to depend on the lies, but then you go and exploit an 11-year-old!!

How pathetic are you going to be, Spud?

Damn!

The kid's 11 years old! It's bad enough that they made him lie...

The 2 top stories on the Retort tonight are this one about making an 11-year-old lie and the other is about a Congressman lying about being called the 'N'-word!!!

You fuckers are pathetic!!!

PATHETIC!!!

These are the top stories!!!!!

You fuckers are pathetic!!!

PATHETIC!!!

These are the top stories!!!!!

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Beats watching TV.

I know of no scientist attempting to validate my superstitions through QM work, ZOMBIE. They may, however, be in the process of invalidating a few of yours.

From the GOP perspective this woman did not earn the
privilege of health care because she was not employed nor did she pay any health ins. premiums.

The central issue is do you believe health care is
a right or is it a privilege.

Are we a nation of We or of Me?

from the article... "Tifanny Owens might have been eligible for Washington state's basic health care plan, which is aimed at the working poor. The plan has had a long waiting list for some time, said Sharon Michael of the Washington state Health Care Authority.

"Right now, we have 100,000 people on the wait list," Michael said."

Imagine that. The plan has a long waiting list? What does that say about government run health care?

'Well, your mom would still have died, because Obamacare doesn't kick in until 2014.'

~cRush bLimpo

So wot the human dirgible is inferring there is that some kid in the future under the same circumstances as this unfortunate kid will NOT lose his mother thanks to "ObamaCare"?

Kind of a cruel way to support HC reform but there ya go.

/S'rsly, does the tub of goo even listen to himself?

Be Well.

/Well, this thread blew up big time after Spud crashed out.
//Kewlness.

Limbaugh said he'd move to Costa Rica if HCR psssed.

GET YOUR FAT, POMPOUS ASS MOVING, RUSH!!

This is kinda unrelated but.....

SPUD!!!!!!! COME BACK TO US!!!! :* (

I hope you read this post. Can't figure out how to get ahold of you otherwise >_

SPUD!!!!!!! COME BACK TO US!!!! :* (

I hope you read this post. Can't figure out how to get ahold of you otherwise

Hey, BigM.

Long time no see.

Yeah, Spud's PC is all old and busted now.

Spud prolly won't make it back into gameworld fer at least another month. :>(

In the meantime, Spud's blogging like a mutha puppy just to stay remotely sane.

Got into a car accident and had several other nasty set back recently.

Is Cataclysm out yet?

Howsit wit teh guild?

Be Well.

XD last time i heard from you, you skipped out on jury duty for the day. thought something happened to you w/ that : )

if it's something that i can help w/ about your pc, let me know. i kind of know my way around them a bit : )

i hope you're okay. you don't often hear about anything positive when car crashes are involved >_<

Cataclysm isn't out yet. i've heard people say it's less than 100 days out, but i havne't confirmed that yet....

XD and it depends on which guild you mean. SLU is trying to hang on, but the good old boys club is going strong, so there's not much left fot the rest of us....

The Holy Order of Moose however is getting off to a good start. just this Sunday we cleared the first floor of ICC 10, and made a couple of friends, so things are looking up, but everyone misses you : (

drop me an email if you don't wanna be spamming the political opinions site. i'll even start checking it, if i know there's someone trying to talk to me on it : )

i hope you're okay. you don't often hear about anything positive when car crashes are involved >_<

Meh, Spuds is too tuff to kill easily.

less than 100 days

Damn, starting to feel like Cartman waiting fer the Wii to come out.

The Holy Order of Moose however is getting off to a good start. just this Sunday we cleared the first floor of ICC 10, and made a couple of friends, so things are looking up, but everyone misses you : (

Kewl beans.

XD it looks like you're gonna hold me to that 3 month thing aren't you? : )

Keep this up, and I might have to put forward my 2 cents to try and get your attention in here : )

i like the woman obama drags around the country,where the hospital was going to take her house for not paying her medical bills,total bullshit,the hospital said that never happened they had dropped tens of thousands of dollars in charges,had worked with her to get medicaid and other benefits.so the spin then was they could have.do the dems fact check any of these stories?

where the hospital was going to take her house for not paying her medical bills,total bullshit,the hospital said that never happened

Ya. You just made that up. She never said the hospital was going to take her house. She had to drop insurance when they raised it beyond what she could afford.

Quit lying.