What do the Catholic Church & the Boy Scouts Have In Common?

They hate atheists and gays.

The staff dresses funny.

They worship penis.

Funny hats?

Be Well.

"What do the Catholic Church & the Boy Scouts Have In Common?"

They are both tax-exempt for no good reason.

This isn't fair - the authority abusers do not at all represent the actual values and benefits that both Boy Scouts Of America and Catholic Churches possess or profess, imo. Our local churches are often giving away food, housing assistance and utilities assistance without reservation or profit directly to themselves. They benefit our society more than many other "religiously affiliated" organizations that I'm aware of other than perhaps the Latter Day Saints and St. Vincent (obviously number one). I adore Catholics, their organization ability and selfless nature. They are as agreeable as any religious people who believe I'm going to Hell as any I've ever befriended. The Boy Scouts are in desperate need of overhaul obviously. The Mormon Church's influence has dramatically impacted the vision of the Boy Scouts. I don't believe the LDS Church intentionally malign but the ramifications and entire co-organization are now suspect for similar sexual dysfunction and predation as we know of in other positions of authority such as the Catholic Church. So long as they recognize their organizations vulnerabilities they have a chance to reconcile their malfunction. Hopefully the court documents will not endanger any more victims, but the risk of not disclosing is unfortunately a lack of justice.

What do the Catholic Church & the Boy Scouts Have In Common?

Boys and scouts.

I don't know, let's ask the public school teachers.

What do the Catholic Church & the Boy Scouts Have In Common?

Whether it's being able to construct a shelter out of branches and leaves or sweeping the cases of pedophilia under the rug... both follow the motto "be prepared".

What do the Catholic Church & the Boy Scouts Have In Common?
They hate atheists and gays.
#1 | Posted by mitch

.......religions hate ?........

.....time to get to rid of them.....we have enough hate in the world......

....the Catholic church and Islam are both fundamentally sublimated, homosexual organizations......hence the exclusion and maltreatment of females......

"I adore Catholics, their organization ability and selfless nature."

Are you serious????

LISA-
I suspect RED's talking about Catholics he's encountered and not the corporate Catholic church.

Particularly when he says, "...are now suspect for similar sexual dysfunction and predation as we know of in other positions of authority such as the Catholic Church." (My emphasis)

Oohrah,

I had lived most of my life in a prominately Catholic community, was Catholic for many years.

My experiences have been far different...in particular the comment he made about being selfless.

Sorry, but I disagree.

And I am in no position to refute your feelings based on experience.

All I was attempting to do was to draw what I thought is a valid distinction between Catholics and the corporate Catholic Church. And I think that's what RED was attempting to do, as well.

It's all good Oohrah!

Cum stained back issues of "Boys' Life"?

From a purely theological perspective the cool thing about the RC Church is it's belief that belief in a higher power alone is insufficient to achieve grace. That good acts are necessary.

Words without Deeds = Moral FAIL.

Spud thinks thatsa nicee.

Beyond that the whole anti-contraception, anti-gay, anti-equality for women thing is whack.

Not for nothing but Spud grew up in the Catholic Church and spent years as a cub scout then sea scout and never encountered a whiff of scandalous activity in either organization locally in all that time.

That all noted, Spud is a self-described "recovering Catholic/atheist" these days.

Be Well.

Not for nothing but Spud grew up in the Catholic Church and spent years as a cub scout then sea scout and never encountered a whiff of scandalous activity in either organization locally in all that time.
#17 | Posted by dethspud

.....you forgot to look in the rearview mirror.....

.....I was taught by a religious order in primary school, The Presentation Brothers, I remember one of them was so blatant, he was grabbing boys crotches in the school hallways with everyone present, I witnessed it myself......

That all noted, Spud is a self-described "recovering Catholic/atheist" these days.

#17 | Posted by dethspud

After running this through my Spuddish-to-English translator, I still can't make any sense out of this.

Please explain this to me, since I have no life experience with either phenomenon.

Are you saying there is something called a 'catholic/atheist'. I'm not being facetious, I'm really askin'.

"Are you saying there is something called a 'catholic/atheist'."

"Catholic" means universal, or comprehensive. The discussion here, I assume, involves the ROMAN Catholic Church.

This is a record for the tort: an almost daily effort to insinuate the thought that doctrine causes molestation. Of course, when you mention a child is 100-times more likely to be abused by a public school teacher or that this same molestation is going on in almost every occupation that comes in contact with children, the critics shut up. In fact, it is not molestation they mind at all. It is the religion they can attack that matters.

It is the religion they can attack that matters.

#22 | Posted by Diablo

duh! the devil always speaks the obvious.

of course it's the religion. the religion is what's bad, not the people, or at least not most of them.

If you are going to say you are a spiritual leader and are imbued with a higher calling, then you damn well better act like it.

And maybe it's all just a secondary infection in the body religion, but either way, it's killing the religions that cause it. Catholics and Muslims, and others have ideaologies that somehow make having sex with any woman of any age a sin, having sex with a grown man is a sin, so having sex with young boys is okay because they are none of those things.

Si lipzoidal, are you claiming no child abusers are agnostic or atheist? C'mon! Most of these abusers infiltrate organizations to get what they want, not because they have any specific beliefs. That's why the Scouts were keeping records. In fact, the Scouts in Jersey had to go all the way to our state supreme dorks to keep their ban on gay scoutmasters! The same people complaining about the Catholics were complaining about the Scouts then. Can't have it both ways.

what did they expect when they put little boys and male adults in the woods alone for a week?

Only a select few can grasp this concept, but it
needs to be stated here again for clarity:

Men that are sexualy atracted to boys are not gay.
This illicit conduct has nothing to do with gay
or transgendered scout leaders.

Apples and oranges; dogs and canines.

These offenders are obviously straight; they simply
choose to engage in inappropriate bahaviors.

I know this concept baffles the least enlightened,
but I try my best to educate and inform.

Be Well.

it doesn't make them gay, but it doesn't mean they are straight either.
i understand that your post was directed at those who think they must be gay because of what they did, but you don't know if they are gay or not.
don't try to enlighten people when you yourself make conclusion off false premises.

Fuck the Boyscouts and the Church. Both of them are evil institutions.

Fuck the Boyscouts....

#28 | Posted by jackass

That's the problem!!

"what did they expect when they put little boys and male adults in the woods alone for a week?
#25 | Posted by NotMyRealName"

Um, maybe some campfires, a few tents, and contests to try to win stupid badges? If you're saying that spending time alone with little boys would tempt you to molest them, then you shouldn't be around little boys.

come out of the closet already.

#22 | Posted by Diablo at 2010-03-20 12:40 PM
***"100-times more likely to be abused by a public school teacher or that this same molestation is going on in almost every occupation that comes in contact with children, the critics shut up."

Please link, (as I know this is untrue)...

When one leaves one's kid with THE CATHOLIC F'N CHURCH one should be able to have the expectation that one's child isn't going to be molested. I don't know; is that too hard for you to comprehend?

And, the difference between "public schools and every occupation that comes in contact with children" is that when molestation comes to light EVERYBODY OTHER THAN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH (and now the boy scouts) brings the perpetrator and evidence to the authorities so that justice can be done, rather than hide the evidence, (for decades), protecting the predator while intimidating the victims into secrecy... And then, put the f'n monster back into close contact with more children!!!

***"In fact, it is not molestation they mind at all. It is the religion they can attack that matters."

WE HAVE A WINNER: DUMBEST F'N THING I READ TODAY AWARD 3/20/'010

Wear it with pride dumb ass....

Diablo just doesn't understand the concept of holding the Catholic Church to the higher standard they themselves preach.

As a practicing Catholic he might be on to something.

what did they expect when they put little boys and male adults in the woods alone for a week?
#25 | Posted by NotMyRealName at 2010-03-20 02:17 PM

Why would you presume that all adults predate on children?

it doesn't make them gay, but it doesn't mean they are straight either.
i understand that your post was directed at those who think they must be gay because of what they did, but you don't know if they are gay or not.
don't try to enlighten people when you yourself make conclusion off false premises.
#27 | Posted by NotMyRealName at 2010-03-20 02:36 PM

Explain yourself. The majority of child molesters are straight adults, so you might reconsider your own presumptions about what constitutes a predator.

Oohrah,
I had lived most of my life in a prominately Catholic community, was Catholic for many years.
My experiences have been far different...in particular the comment he made about being selfless.
Sorry, but I disagree.

#13 | POSTED BY LISA AT 2010-03-20 07:13 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Lisa your halo is particularly vibrant this evening. Had your daily dose of pompous righteousness I see.

Everyone else here discusses clergy.

Lisa attacks the flock.

As an Eagle Scout and a former Scoutmaster, I believe I can comment on Scouting. And yes, I'm an atheist. And yes, the first time I was ever offered drugs was from another Boy Scout. Didn't accept.

I used to go to "The Church of the Sunday Funnies" (ie, Sunday newspaper reader) but not even now.

As a former Catholic, I also can put a dog in the hunt. But this thread is about the BSA, not the Catholic Church.

Like most institutions, the MAJORITY of leaders are fine people. They are parents and former scouts that find value in the BSA Values. And I'd say that there was a lot gained by those who participate.

Do I think there needs to be some changes? Heck yes. Exclusion because of creed or sexual orientation is archaic. Exclusion because of behavior however, is not.

So if you can teach scouts how to tie a knot, just don't tell them you do it in some BDSM dungeon every Thursday. And definitely don't take them on a tour.

Recognize that kids really just need to be kids. That being able to distinguish among the various kinds of Apis Mellifera while working on their beekeeping merit badge is important to them.

When they are 18 and adults, children are no longer a protected class. And hopefully are on the road to making decisions for themselves.

But to take advantage of a child as based on our current laws, is definitely a heinous act and not to be tolerated.

The BSA should NOT have covered up anything. Change can only occur when there is motivation to change. And hiding these abuses is truly heinous. The choice should be the child over the organization.

Nothing prohibits a person or group of people from founding other similar organizations. Happens often enough.

Smoked my first cigarette in scouts.

Drank my first beer in scouts.

Read my first porno mag in scouts.

Everything was going great

Then the senior patrol leader whipped it out and asked me to polish him off.

I was 12.

Told ma and pa I quit.

SNL should bring back Canteen Boy.

"Then the senior patrol leader whipped it out and asked me to polish him off.

I was 12.

Told ma and pa I spit."

#38 | Posted by boojiboy

Now where is my shot of whiskey to wash it down pa?

I think that will shut this thread down!