Obama George Mason Speech On Health Care: 'If This Vote Fails...'

"We are going to do something historic this weekend. ... We are going to fix health care in America."

"the largest middle class tax cut for health care in history."

Really? Is that before or after premiums skyrocket?

1. If you have a pre-existing condition, we have to cover you
2. No more lifetime caps on coverage.
3. You can stay on your parents' policies even though you have grown up and are living on your own.
4. Preventive care is now free.
5. 31 million uninsured will now become covered

and

6. It's all going to cost you less!

He really IS the Messiah! It's a MIRACLE!

Not you, RisR. Definitely it will cost you more.... just the average Joe it will cost less.

But then, if you come down with a terrible disease, God forbid, your insurer won't be able to dump you.

You'll appreciate that, eh?

And as an added bonus, you won't feel so bad about other people's children paying for your Bush tax cut!

Ain't it great?

You're just a retard. It takes a special kind of stupid to believe in mutually exclusive things.

19%.

Nice, specific retort there, Tighty. Shot down the point about your insurer not being able to dump you.... oh, wait...

And really, you won't feel so bad about other people's children paying for your Bush tax cut!

Although, I thought your throwing money at the poor guy with Parkinson's was in rather poor taste.

You could have at least thrown twenties instead of ones.

And... what part of the buying power of a pool of 32 million people is it that you don't understand?

And really, you won't feel so bad about other people's children paying for your Bush tax cut!

they are paying for your's also. how do you feel about that?

what part of the buying power of a pool of 32 million people is it that you don't understand?

"buying" power?

good one.

1. 31 million more covered.
2. Quality of care fill go up.
3. Cost will go down.

Pick any one. Believe two or more you don't understand the issue properly. Believe all three, and you must be a liberals.

Talking on the phone during that last one. Excuse the spelling errors.

What do we know about the 31 million uninsured? Are they healthier than the public at large, and have more disposable income besides? If so, then it might result in lower costs for everyone else, if not for them.

But it isn't true. It's unemployed people, it's college kids, it's immigrants, who will be covered only by giving them free coverage. And it's a whole lot of people who can't get coverage because they're chronically ill, which drives costs up for everyone else.

The only thing about the bill I like is the $500,000,000,000 the Dems promise to cut out of Medicare. But nobody really believes that will happen, because Democrats are pussies, along with most Republicans. Which means more deficits, as far as the eye can see.

22%.

It's unemployed people, it's college kids, it's immigrants, who will be covered only by giving them free coverage. And it's a whole lot of people who can't get coverage because they're chronically ill,

don't forget the folks who can afford it but couldn't give a shit less.

real strong "pool" there Corky.

-It's unemployed people, it's college kids, it's immigrants,

It's entrepreneurs that operate job-generating businesses but can't get the rate prices that big corps do.... until now.

And the Medicare cut is still cuts to insurer subsidies that are then put back into the program.

You really should get out more.

And seriously, don't feel bad about other people's children paying for your Bush tax cuts, 'K?

insurer subsidies?

You want me to spell it again for you, Bev?

Medicare part D subsidies to insurers, passed by Bush off budget, another 1/2 trillion debt for our children.

Isn't that a subsidy to the cost of drugs to beneficiaries? how is that an "insurer subsidy"?

There goes Corky with his "off-budget" again. How stupid can you be.

It's entrepreneurs that operate job-generating businesses but can't get the rate prices that big corps do.... until now.

oh, they might get them at the same prices.....

By raising the rates for the big corps.....not lowering the rates for the "entrepreneurs".

but they would be the same prices though!!! LOL

BTW, pot smoking bloggers who want to launch their own online business and get free healthcare don't fall under the definition of "entrepreneurs".

just in case you were hoping......

"As messy as this process is, as frustrating as this process is, as ugly as this process can be, when we have faced such decisions in our past, this nation time and time again has chosen to extend its promise to more of its people," Obama said.

A realistic, progressive moderate making common sense changes to a system in dire need of an over-haul.

Or as FOX Noize calls it "The end of the World!!1! Oh Noes!111!!ELEVENTY"

/Spud paraphrases a little there.

Be Well.

"As messy as this process is, as frustrating as this process is, as ugly as this process can be, when we have faced such decisions in our past, this nation time and time again has chosen to extend its promise to more of its people," Obama said.

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He's right about that. Which is why our unfunded liabilities is over $60,000,000,000,000, and climbing.

More promises! More people! And more savings for everyone!

Isn't that a subsidy to the cost of drugs to beneficiaries? how is that an "insurer subsidy"?

#18 | Posted by eberly
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Eb...it's a pharma subsidy

"By the design of the program, the federal government is not permitted to negotiate prices of drugs with the drug companies, as federal agencies do in other programs. The Veterans Administration, which is allowed to negotiate drug prices and establish a formulary, pays 58% less for drugs, on average, than Medicare Part D.[31] For example, Medicare pays $785 for a year's supply of Lipitor (atorvastatin), while the VA pays $520. Medicare pays $1,485 for Zocor, while the VA pays $127."

This for many patients on fixed/limited incomes.

Which one is Kennedy again? Is that the guy who died, and had his seat flip over to the Repubs for the first time in 30-plus years?

Yes. Let's invoke 'the spirit of Kennedy'.

Doesn't lower costs which everybody agreed at the outset was one of the major objectives of "healthcare reform". It does move money around and raise taxes. Also, there are those that offer that if the dems use the "slaughter rule" to pass this legislation it's okay because the repubs did the same----even though this has been done in the past does not make it constitutional---this kind of underhanded game has to stop and I have a feeling people are starting to stand up and fight the dishonesty in congress and the lack of transparency.

'BTW, pot smoking bloggers who want to launch their own online business and get free healthcare don't fall under the definition of "entrepreneurs".'

Unless your a yellow dog from Dallas, TX!

This is the level of understanding the right wing have on HCR.

You can read the same BS talking points on this or any other thread from the RightIsWrong crowd.

Help you be finished is more like it. You want to stay on government payroll sucker.

I have had two of my DR say this is not going to work as they already have problems with the money from medicare and are almost loosing one each patient. if patients are added, with government dictating the rates, they will retire and I don't blame them. This bill is not about health care but government take over and will lead to rationing. all congress people for the last 50 years should be tried for treason as they have ruined this country by allowing more spending then revenue. both "D" and "R" are guilty and so are all presidents. Also, the American public is are just as guilty for sending the same jerks year after year and expecting change.

38: And free pussy for everyone! No skanks!

Oh, wait.

Sorry.

Leftover from Bill Clinton's health care 'reform'

He emphasized the bill's provisions that would go into effect this year, including those banning insurers from denying coverage to those with pre-existing conditions, dropping coverage when a person becomes ill or imposing annual or lifetime limits on care, requiring free preventive care and allowing children to stay on parents' policies into their 20s.

Not sure what the hell free preventive care is and I am not sure why children can stay on their parents plan until they are in their late 20's. But why can't the reforms start with those other basic changes? Couldn't Congress simply mandate insurance companies to follow those simple ideas? Would that not get bi-partisan support and be a hell of lot easier to pass?

No - you are a one term president and I will not be voting for you again.

"It's unemployed people, it's college kids, it's immigrants, who will be covered only by giving them free coverage...."

By golly. it is free !,

"Not sure what the hell free preventive care is "

Basically, small-cost procedures found to prevent large-cost problems if not caught in time. Usually pap smears, prostate exams, mammograms, baby immunizations, and an annual physical.

I am not sure why children can stay on their parents plan until they are in their late 20's.

#31 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2010-03-20 11:10 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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because they may be a student? Maybe beacuse their parent are claiming them on their tax returns.

And free pussy for everyone! No skanks!

Oh, wait.

Sorry.

Leftover from Bill Clinton's health care 'reform'

#30 | Posted by vernon at 2010-03-20 11:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

You can always count on a vulgar remark from one of the DR's resident x-tians.

Oh, fuck, now I agree with Crispee (well, a little, at the end of the commentary in #31). I have been saying for a while that the bill is too complicated. Simple:

1. get rid of the pre-existing conditions bullshit

2. work on cost containment (at the care level as well as the insurance level)

3. emphasize preventive care (and maintenance--hell, I'm guilty of not going to the doc for regular checkups)

Seems we could all agree on those in theory. (Even #1, at least to some extent.) Then of course, the devil is in the details.

Of course, I'd love a world where insurance companies aren't necessary, where people take care of themselves, where we don't eat all the CRAP we put into our bodies (I'm guilty of this, too), where costs are known and affordable by the average joe or jane. But you know, those things aren't, dare I say, pragmatic. : )

Question for those who know procedure better than I: If the bill passes and most of it doesn't take effect till 2014 (?), and if the threatened party turnover takes place (beware 2010--oooooh!), could the Congress get rid of the law before the alleged damage is done? I'm not suggesting it would be easy, but could it not be done? Once something is institutionalized, it becomes nigh impossible, but if legislation were enacted before the law took effect...?

#37 | Posted by pragmatist at 2010-03-20 11:20 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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I agree with a lot of what you are saying BUT

How do you tell a private company what they can charge for a service?

We do it with Auto insurance, but this is a lot different.

Most countries that have a Gov't care system are killing the middle class with taxes and insurance premiums.

Is it right to say the Government should get in the business and compete with the ins. cartel?
I think so IF the Government could step up and operate efficiently.

my 2 cents.

#33 | Posted by vernon

Almost free. Where you live it's $650 family premium for health care coverage.

You're just a retard.

#6 | Posted by rightisright at 2010-03-19 04:34 PM

You weren't the captain of the debate team.

Basically, small-cost procedures found to prevent large-cost problems if not caught in time. Usually pap smears, prostate exams, mammograms, baby immunizations, and an annual physical.

#34 | Posted by Danforth at 2010-03-20 11:15 AM

Thanks for explaining my query... It also would be a no brainer both sides would agree on. It would also be cheaper and easier to implement, seeing as the Government can use thousands of outlets at their disposal for those who can't afford it. Sadly there is no guarantee people would take advantage of those preventive measures, based on the fact many with insurance don't, for whatever reason.

because they may be a student? Maybe beacuse their parent are claiming them on their tax returns.

#35 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2010-03-20 11:18 AM |

How many 27 or 28 year old college students still live at home or depend on their parents? I can understand those that are in their early 20's, but 27,28? Aside from the fact most aren't even in college any more and have started their own families or are on their own.

people with health insurance are generally in better health.

a healthier workforce is a more productive work force

companies profit from more productive work force

more money in healthcare means more jobs for health care professionals, more hospitals and more faciities(meaning more construction), more health equipment (meaning more manufacturing).

Basic economics.

Health care is great for the economic well being of our nation.

You weren't the captain of the debate team.

#40 | Posted by jerrytarkanian
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You're right about that. But Obama was. Yet every time he opens his piehole, his numbers slip further. Record collapse in public opinion for a first year as president.

#42 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2010-03-20 11:44 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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IT could be for a number of reasons.... I was just stating that if a person stays on the parents policy into the late 20s they would likely be dependent upon their parents.

Not everyone can go college fulltime for 4 years and get a degree... Some have to work part time jobs (no HC coverage) for 5-8 years.

Yet every time he opens his piehole, his numbers slip further. Record collapse in public opinion for a first year as president.

#44 | Posted by rightisright at 2010-03-20 11:46 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: LIVES UNDER A ROCK

like everyone didn't know this was comming with a push for any kind of healthcare reform.

#43 | Posted by truthhurts at 2010-03-20 11:45 AM

Nobody is arguing those facts. But what you forget is the fact 85% of Americans have health insurance, yet we know almost 2/3's of the insured are still not healthy and child obesity has tripled since 1980. Can't blame those stats or claim it is all because of the 15% which don't have insurance. Nothing in this reform guarantees those numbers won't change.

"It would also be cheaper and easier to implement, seeing as the Government can use thousands of outlets at their disposal for those who can't afford it."

Actually, in the long term, this saves a lot of money, as prevention is much, MUCH cheaper than cure.

"Not everyone can go college fulltime for 4 years and get a degree... Some have to work part time jobs (no HC coverage) for 5-8 years."

The Government can easily solve that problem by setting up clinics twice a year on campus for students without insurance. Or utilize existing college hospitals or facilities that are already in place. Again, much cheaper than overhauling the entire healthcare and insurance system.

Oooooooops, Obama just slipped and admitted what this bill is really about---biggest deficit reduction bill ever----yours truely has said right along that this is a tax bill masquerading as a "healhcare reform" bill---see how these guys lie and get everybody arguing about insignificant parts of a bill when in affect you're going to have your sorry rearends taxed to death for 4 years and have minimal healthcare reform and probably never see any benefits---plus the healthcare industry benefits hugely. What a con ---a true political Bernie Madoff.

Actually, in the long term, this saves a lot of money, as prevention is much, MUCH cheaper than cure.

#48 | Posted by Danforth at 2010-03-20 11:59 AM

Why Congress doesn't make this the core of reforming healthcare is beyond me. Is there any other measure which would immediately reduce insurance and medical costs today, and continue for the next 10-20 years?

Again, this bill is not about healthcare, it's about the Dems controlling future votes and pursuing socialism

"This is the largest tax bill in history," the Republican leader fumed. The reform "is unjust, unworkable, stupidly drafted and wastefully financed."

And that wasn't all. This "cruel hoax," he said, this "folly" of "bungling and waste," compared poorly to the "much less expensive" and "practical measures" favored by the Republicans.

"We must repeal," the GOP leader argued. "The Republican Party is pledged to do this."

That was Republican presidential nominee Alf Landon in a September 1936 campaign speech. He based his bid for the White House on repealing Social Security.

Bad call, Alf. Republicans lost that presidential election in a landslide. By the time they finally regained the White House -- 16 years later -- their nominee, Dwight Eisenhower, had abandoned the party's repeal platform.

Circumstances are different now, as Republicans, assuming the Democrats' health legislation clears the House this weekend, prepare to campaign this year and in 2012 on the repeal of health-care reform. But the ghost of Landon should spook them as they do so: The health-care legislation, if passed, won't be repealed, and the politics of repeal may not work out as well as Republicans expect. You wouldn't think that based on the headlong rush to demand a repeal even before the health bill becomes law.

Obama: 'Help Me Finish This Fight'

My President is fighting against me.

I am struggling to keep my business and my childrens' future!!!

Obama is sooo gone!

Again, this bill is not about healthcare, it's about the Dems controlling future votes and pursuing socialism

#52 | Posted by Maverick

It's frightening!!!

I've had intelligent Liberal thinkers who love America and the American way of life and then tell me that they trust Obama/Pelosi/Reid.

I've got to protect my country and my family. I'm sorry, but I can't take care of you lazy people anymore.

If I'm gone and you take my property, who are you going to suck off of next?

It's a Goose/Golden Egg thing.

That was Republican presidential nominee Alf Landon in a September 1936 campaign speech. He based his bid for the White House on repealing Social Security.

Bad call, Alf. Republicans lost that presidential election in a landslide. By the time they finally regained the White House -- 16 years later -- their nominee, Dwight Eisenhower, had abandoned the party's repeal platform.

#53 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

2 differences---if memory serves me SS had some semblence of bi-partisan support and you didn't have huge grassroot opposition (and anger). Whistling past the graveyard is not a good idea without a weapon.

Question for those who know procedure better than I: If the bill passes and most of it doesn't take effect till 2014 (?), and if the threatened party turnover takes place (beware 2010--oooooh!), could the Congress get rid of the law before the alleged damage is done? I'm not suggesting it would be easy, but could it not be done? Once something is institutionalized, it becomes nigh impossible, but if legislation were enacted before the law took effect...?
#37 | POSTED BY PRAGMATIST

Can't predict for sure, but if history is any guide, Republicans oppose anything the Democrats do until they are back in power. Then they are for it.

Obama is sooo gone!

#54 | Posted by Eddie at 2010-03-20 12:22 PM

Really? Who's gonna beat him?

"people with health insurance are generally in better health." #43 | Posted by truthhurts

Only if they can afford the co-pays. This plan DOES force everyone to be covered, but it DOESN'T guaranty that coverage will be any good. If you can only afford the cheapest coverage they offer, your going to have shitty coverage and you won't be going to your doctor because you won't be able to afford the co-pay, or the drugs he may have prescribed. Now you're no healthier than you were before. But at least you're pouring money into a system you can't afford to use!

"more money in health care means more jobs for health care professionals, more hospitals and more facilities(meaning more construction), more health equipment (meaning more manufacturing)." #43 | Posted by truthhurts

So your saying that in order to cut the nations health care costs, we need to pour more money into... health care? Brilliant. You deserve a Nobel prize.

Actually, in the long term, this saves a lot of money, as prevention is much, MUCH cheaper than cure.

#48 | Posted by Danforth at 2010-03-20 11:59 AM

Why Congress doesn't make this the core of reforming healthcare is beyond me. Is there any other measure which would immediately reduce insurance and medical costs today, and continue for the next 10-20 years?

#51 | Posted by crispee_oc

One of my company's products is a wellness product sold to our client companies----in a sense it is preventive, but particularly focussed toward the employees with some of the major medical diagnoses impacting their bottom lines---over these employees lifetimes, if we can decrease 1-2 hospital stays/employee the cost reductions are enormous---have finished a pilot program with a number of them that shows a promising ROI.

Circumstances are different now, as Republicans,
#53 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Yep, you said it!

If you understood what SS is, then you might understand the difference.

SS is an investment. It's money that is paid back at retirement.

Paying your health insurance premium to the Federal Government is "taking over" an Industry!!!

The Health Provider Industry...

Drugs, Doctors, Nurses, PT, OT, Drug Stores, Hospitals, Clinics ....

Not at retirement. NOW!!!

Not just retired folks, EVERYONE!!!

The only similarities is that the Federal Government is involved in both these schemes.

BTW, SS is only popular because of the ubber success of the Federal Goverment over the years. That success is over! Unless the Conservatives can arrest the spending starting with the Nov 2010 election.

When you little Socialist plan is complete, I will be paying about 90% in taxes to keep this failure afloat!

The trouble with you idiots is that you don't think it through!

There are about 4 million people who don't have access to health care right now --- NOT 48 MILLION -- LIAR!!!

There are much better ways to get health to these people than taking over the entire system.

It will be reversed!

What happens here this weekend will kill the Democrat Party.

"Why Congress doesn't make this the core of reforming healthcare is beyond me. Is there any other measure which would immediately reduce insurance and medical costs today, and continue for the next 10-20 years?"

COMPLETELY AGREE.

In addition, you made another great point some weeks back: we need to ramp up personal responsibility. If Americans get themselves healthy, the increases will ameliorate. If we continue to lead in obesity, all the 'fixes" in the world won't save us.

Government debt blasted off into orbit and the loonies think they're going to save money on healthcare(Medicare $74 trillion in a hole and still counting). It's obvious that they need a new source of revenue to keep their Ponzi Schemes going. If you morons think the insurance companies are bad, you ain't seen nothing yet till they impose rationing and price controls.

You bitch about the minimum wage...

Now not only will you not get a raise, but you will have to pay for your health insurance too.

Small business will be forced to drop all health insurance they provide for their employees or drastically change their business model.

I was going to convert 2 of my 1099 contractors to W-2 and bring them into the company at the end of the summer.

That will not happen now.

It hurts my business!!!

If it hurts my tiny sphere of influence, think of multiplying that by millions of other small business around the country.

The economy is going to stay bad for a long, long time!!!

All because This idiot in Washington is fighting against me to pass his Socialist program that nobody wants.

Obama said the bill, if it becomes law, will deliver "the toughest insurance reforms in history" and "the largest middle class tax cut for health care in history."

Does the term YOU LIE have any meaning to you?

Can't predict for sure, but if history is any guide, Republicans oppose anything the Democrats do until they are back in power. Then they are for it.

#57 | Posted by Ray

Just like Democrats are so much for War now.

Strange...

Obama said the bill, if it becomes law, will deliver "the toughest insurance reforms in history" and "the largest middle class tax cut for health care in history."

Does the term YOU LIE have any meaning to you?

#66 | Posted by Sniper

No, Sniper. He's not lying. There is a businessman in Ohio who is going to be paying less tax...

(because he has to reduce his staff, thus his sales going down....)

You see? There's no LIE!!!

Why are Republicans wrong all the time?

"in a sense it is preventive, but particularly focussed toward the employees with some of the major medical diagnoses impacting their bottom lines---over these employees lifetimes, if we can decrease 1-2 hospital stays/employee the cost reductions are enormous---have finished a pilot program with a number of them that shows a promising ROI."

You're absolutely right in that 1 or 2 less hospital stays will more than pay for the wellness plan. I was part of a group within a health committee who pushed for a wellness plan about a decade ago. It wasn't long before we began to see our overall health costs flatten out. Your preliminary results should continue in a big way.

Obama: 'Help Me Finish This Fight'

fuck you liar

okay so thats a little harsh

uh no thanks mister president, I would rather we not allow china to replace us as the number one country in the world and I would prefer that we not bankrupt the country into a european mess with constant double didgit unemployment and riots in the street when mother govt decides to pick more winners and losers and that we have a system where one woman...sebilus for now..doesnt decide that some manufactoring company is breaking a law because their health care plan doesnt suit you and george soros and other union thugs, crooks, and goons

THERE>..was that more 'civil' ????

I DID SEE one positive in this

I just heard on fox a dem rep from oregon and washington and georgia ALL SAY that they were in favor of wiretapping terrorist suspects as well as waterboarding any terror suspect we might need some info from.

WOW....wonder if their plantation masters know that....

(hint...there is more to this post)

Liberals always speak at colleges and universities. That's where the youth are, inexperience with no yardstick which to gauge reality.

Get em young enough and dumb enough and you can make them believe anything.

That's the goal of our education system. It certainly doesn't pass muster for what education once was. At one time people were taught to think. No more.

Students are encouraged to borrow thousands upon thousands dollars to obtain worthless degrees and then, even when they can't make the grade they are passed. I mean afterall, who is going to tell someone with student loan debt you're failing and your seat in school is no longer available. Kinda like telling those who bought, with nothing down, more home than they could afford that they'll have to forclose.

Human nature...... Nothing down nothing to lose. That's the same intellect that supports government run healthcare.

Obama is sooo gone!

#54 | Posted by Eddie at 2010-03-20 12:22 PM

Really? Who's gonna beat him?

#58 | Posted by jerrytarkanian

? The guy who collects my garbage.

and the dems all over the tv today are also long gone. as they paraded in front of the cameras lying thier faces off I waved bye to each one and wish them good luck sacking groceries next year...

dont believe me
ONe of them was said to have won his district by less than 2000 votes..surely you dont think that a low number like that wont be made up double by gop and independants????

At one time people were taught to think. No more.

PORK...you are referring to a period known as "
PRE DEPT OF EDUCATION"....before the govt began trashing the 10th amendment to the constitution.

"in a sense it is preventive, but particularly focussed toward the employees with some of the major medical diagnoses impacting their bottom lines---over these employees lifetimes, if we can decrease 1-2 hospital stays/employee the cost reductions are enormous---have finished a pilot program with a number of them that shows a promising ROI."

You're absolutely right in that 1 or 2 less hospital stays will more than pay for the wellness plan. I was part of a group within a health committee who pushed for a wellness plan about a decade ago. It wasn't long before we began to see our overall health costs flatten out. Your preliminary results should continue in a big way.

#69 | Posted by Danforth

A lot of the old "wellness" programs were supplying gyms for employees to exercise in along with some blood work and various measurements, etc.---they weren't real wellness programs since the healthy ones used the gym and were already keeping themselves fit---the ones you wanted to impact didn't avail themselves---therefore, when companies downsized, the first thing to go was the wellness program since it didn't change behavior. We've set up a different model working with input from the U.of M. attacking all the obstacle points---have over 90% employee involvement and the early data is very promising---haven't been able to focus as much in this area since our focus is on another of our employer products which is booming like crazy along with a unique software program that has to be continually developed and added to.

Obama: 'Help Me Finish This Fight'

fuck you liar

#70 | Posted by afkabl2

"I'd rather be a really good one-term president than a mediocre two-term president"

Good for what?

Even Hitler thought he was doing the right thing...

the ones you wanted to impact didn't avail themselves---therefore, when companies downsized, the first thing to go was the wellness program since it didn't change behavior.
#78 | Posted by matsop

Having the Company take care of you is just like the Government taking care of you.

All it leads to is the same thing... A nation of sick and obese people.

It's sad. This entitlement attitude winds up killing us.

"Obama's Cousin Dr. Milton Wolf Will Speak Today At Anti-Obamacare Code Red Rally"

"Having the Company take care of you is just like the Government taking care of you."

Could you possibly have it more bass-ackwards? Prevention is MUCH cheaper than cure. Emphasizing health and personal responsibility, all while making it easier to find and address cheap problems rather than curing expensive problems, are the keys. The company isn't "taking care of you", they're making a smart long-term business decision.

Obama: 'Help Me Finish This Fight'

Obama: 'Help me fisnish off the country."

Obama: 'Help me finish off capitalism.'

Obama: 'Help me finish off freedom.'

Obama: 'Help me finish off quality health care.'

Obama: 'Help me finish off what's left of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.'

Could you possibly have it more bass-ackwards? Prevention is MUCH cheaper than cure. Emphasizing health and personal responsibility, all while making it easier to find and address cheap problems rather than curing expensive problems, are the keys. The company isn't "taking care of you", they're making a smart long-term business decision.

#82 | Posted by Danforth

I agree. But do people use the prevention? No. More often than not they wait to go to the doctor.

In the meantime, there is no long-term investment in employees. This concept went away over 10 years ago.

Gone are the days when you stick with just one company.

Even Hitler thought he was doing the right thing...

#79 | Posted by Eddie at

YEP and the buses all ran on time in italy too...

MORE INFO COMING IN

for first time EVER.,,.,.medicare tax to be paid on unearned income such as rent payments and ANNUITIES..
SOCIAL SECURITY TO BE RAIDED to help pay...do you think some of the elderly on SS know this and will there be some fuckin dem read a letter from a SS reciepent talking about how they no longer have enough for pills with the LOWER check...I doubt it.

SO SURE MISTER PRESIDENT I will be glad to help you FINISH The fight and it starts next november.

Obama: 'Help me finish off what's left of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.'

#83 | Posted by mitch

ADD the declaration of independence to that

article by..oh CRAP whats the dicks name???

anyway went on about how the declaration was signed because the colonies were not being allowed to govern themselves because of rulings from "THE KING"...

and of course IF deem and scheme is passed, the article made a case that this was taxation without representation.

ARTICLE goes on to say in the declaration is a line about obstructing the administration of justice and he then refers to the attempt to humiliate and PUBLICLY HARRASS the supreme court in the state of union...

"I agree. But do people use the prevention? No. More often than not they wait to go to the doctor."

Incorrect. When we made wellness programs fully paid, and not subject to the deductible, folks went in droves. We saw dramatic changes in relatively short actuarial times.

Prostate cancer surgery, for example, can cost around $50,000. Finding it earlier via annual prostate exams costs about three-tenths of one percent of that.

OKAY EDDIE and even DAN is here..
so help me out...

200 pages into ATLAS SHRUGGED and IM still not getting the ultra right wing slant on the book..
sure on page 135 there is some mention of a progressive group and property rights but have I just not gotten far enough or what>?

"In the meantime, there is no long-term investment in employees. This concept went away over 10 years ago."

Only for stupid businesses who don't realize we're ultimately all in this together.

Only for stupid businesses who don't realize we're ultimately all in this together.

translation GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME

I DID hear one guy late last night talk about how this was a missed chance to change the system of health care being a 'business expense'....made some interesting points but if its not the dem plantation line...doesnt have a chance
sort of like a moderate or conservative democrat..with this vote and cap and tax..DNC has CLEARLY TOLD Them that there is NO PLACE IN THE PARTY FOR THEM.....what happened to that big tent bullshit?

Pro life Democrats not welcomed in the party. Pro life dems are being told to take a hike, their votes not needed. So much for the big tent.

Actors have no business in politics, unless they are conservative and speaking in Fox of course.

Who cares what some unknown actor has to say. This bill is bad regardless.

"translation GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME"

Positively moronic.

We're all going to pay for the collective health care, one way or another. Only an idiot wouldn't seek cheap fixes for expensive problems.

Wellness programs SAVE money over the long haul. But don't let the facts get in the way of another partisan rant.

93..amen bro..you are correct sir...and the satire of 94 is duely noted.

SO eddie and dan...WATSUP on the atlas shrugged question. I KNOW danforth surely has read it since he knows everything known to man...:)

" I KNOW danforth surely has read it since he knows everything known to man...:)"

Wrong again, Afkabibble.

In related news, water is wet.

Gonna take more Airforce One Mile High Club BJ flights to get that 216 votes.

In related news, water is wet.

You got a link for that? LOL!

#98

The question is: Who polished whose knob? Or maybe it was a mutual thing. But in that case, who went first?

Correction. 217 votes would be needed to avoid culpability for the deciding vote.

"since (Danforth) knows everything known to man..."

On the contrary: I'm the embodiment of the Will Rogers quote:

"Everyone's ignorant...just on different subjects."

Golf, horse racing, and fix-it stuff come immediately to mind.

who went first?

Posted by mitch

Well, no blue dress involved here.....so hard to say.

Aparenlty the Dems are backing away from deem and pass. It seems two prominent DEMOCRATS in the House Rules Committee are against it. Dems have a 9 to 4 advantage in thie committe so they could pass the rule 7 to 6, but it is such an embarrasing blow to the leadership that two Dems oppose it that they may just have a roll call vote.

Let's hope this is enough to prevent the bill from passing. These cowards may not want to go on the record as voting for this shit so they might vote no. Stat tuned.

Rules Committee meeting descends into chaos

Health Bill: A Shouting Match Over Deem-and-Pass

There is some increase in insurance coverage in this bill, big taxes, and irrespective of the CBO estimates, incresed spending and costs---when you take out the double counting and add in the amount taken to administer it---jobs will be created in gov.---a lot of the spending will just be shifted There is more to the bill then thought of---a lot of the benefits won't take affect for years and in all likelihood may be reversed---so why the heck do certain people want to cram this thing through, irrespective of the people's will----well, the answer is in our broad economy---once again, this bill doesn't have much to do with healthcare reform--- it is somewhat about insurance reform but probably goes beyond that---I believe our gov. and Fed have made a conscious decision (the real issue)on how to try to solve our bigger fiscal problem through a combination of taxes and further spending and subsequent debasement of our currency--"spending our way to prosperity" through subsequent inflation. Risky strategy. Otherwise, going into further debt makes no sense--

BREAKING: 'Deem and Pass' gone. Up or down vote in.

Another right wing whine down the drain.

so now this means they will have to pass the senate bill AS WRITTEN ..is that correct..or not?

and that would mean that stupac and his 'people' will be forced to vote for taxpayer abortions..hmmmm
intersting..
maybe I better get home in front of a tv....

Another right wing whine down the drain.

you meant to say
another democrat assualt on the constitution halted , didnt you?

Stupak's lost half his enormous (*snark*) 12 representative coalition. He'll have a strong primary challenger and could lose his seat. He's a C Street tool. Michiganders are going through tough times. Stupak pulled a stupid stunt. Bye bye.

Imagine -- OUR Health Care, Treatment, Life and Death at the hands of his vaunted government bureaucrats has become ALL ABOUT HIM!!!!

What a narcisstic piece of S---!!!!

AFLAC

You probably don't even know which amendments in the Constitution exist but maybe the 1st, 2nd, and 5th. Bet you were glad the 21st was passed though LOL. Shoot, after all this time you've spent in libraries you can barely spell let alone know the Constitution or be able to articulate just exactly what you think is 'un-Constitutional'.

#112

No big tent in the Dem party. Pro-lifers not welcomed. These people would rather a Republican be elected to taht seat than to have a pro-life Dem. I guess they have a purity test in the Dem party.

Is that right?

So, why do the Dems have many 'pro-life' members and the GOP 0% pro-choice?

Dems are the actual party of 'pro-life', and the GOP are anti-abortion, nothing more.

AU, a person can be for abortion and not want it to be funded by taxpayers, "you body, your choice, your wallet." Liberals alwasy want others to pay for their decisions.

The Hyde Amendment makes it illegal for federal funds to be used for abortion. Nothing new. But, right wingers still think it can be? What's up with that?

Another right wing C-SPAN caller just called in who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. One after another. Do these people live under a rock? Sure seems like it.

If ignorance is bliss, the GOP have a LOT of really happy campers.

au...not sure where post 114 came from but its pretty disappointing to read post that show you to be just another liberal fuck on this site..disappointing to be sure.

maybe you are just basking in the sunlight of a temporary liberal victory endorsing the hijacking of several amendments and even the whoring of the declaration of independence.

but I have to leave now and being afternoon READING session.

and oh yeah..have to get out DONT TREAD ON ME shirt and just hope some obama fan fuckwad at the track tomorrow says something to me.

Ladies and Gentlemen, the President of The United States has arrived to address the Democratic caucus to a standing ovation.

Dems are the actual party of 'pro-life', and the GOP are anti-abortion, nothing more.

#116 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at

please...dems are telling all men and women who dont murder innocent life in the womb that there is no place for you here.

and you might be one of same people who blast gop for not having big tent..
what a crock of doo doo.

GOP IS PRO LIFE AND PRO CHOICE..we choose life over murder.

Ladies and Gentlemen, the President of The United States has arrived to address the Democratic caucus to a standing ovation.

fuck the lying bastard.

and the dem horse he rode in on...and its a suprise they stand and clap..
at least they and the media got their toungues out of his black ass in time.

have to go before I get sick.

AU, a person can be for abortion and not want it to be funded by taxpayers, "you body, your choice, your wallet." Liberals alwasy want others to pay for their decisions.

#117 | Posted by mitch at

and the left hides behind the hyde amendment
(see how I did that)

money to planned parenthood..what the FUCK do libs think they do with that money?

and if there is no specific language baring it, it can be used hyde amendment or not and au and other libs KNOW that damn good and well.

WAXMAN..."we intend to pay for abortions"..
all the proof you need that they are lying fucks....when they tell you it doesnt

AFLAC

My political views have nothing to do with the sure knowledge I have that you don't use the library for anything useful LOL

You haven't given me a single sentence where your assertions of 'un-Constitutional' come from.

and oh yeah..have to get out DONT TREAD ON ME shirt and just hope some obama fan fuckwad at the track tomorrow says something to me.

#119 | Posted by afkabl2

I'm assuming you won't be at my track (unless indoors) since it's snowing here.

I don't play horses. That's for fools.

AU, a person can be for abortion and not want it to be funded by taxpayers, "you body, your choice, your wallet." Liberals alwasy want others to pay for their decisions.

#117 | Posted by mitch at

They aren't, and there's nothing in this bill that would have allowed them to.

I could be playing it though...they run in the snow a lot..especailly in new york or chicago

and WHATS NEXT for obama

HEY I KNOw..
mandate that EVERY AMERICAN has a right to a car..
FORCE Them to buy one...OH NO>>iT HAS TO be a GM since thats the GOVT car company...and tax the rest of us who have one for ones who DONT...
I mean why stop at health care?

for instance I HAVE A RIGHT To the starbucks I am about to leave and get..so the guy standing next to me HAS TO PAY for it since I have a right to it but cant pay for it..
shit...this may not be so bad afterall........of course HE wont have any money left either..we will have to ask the OBAMA COFFEE CZAR IF we qualify for coffe STIMULUS money....and the line will be THREE WEEKS WAIT...

A slew of Republicans have said we needed health care for all from Roosevelt to Eisenhower to Nixon to George HW Bush to Gerald Ford.

They aren't, and there's nothing in this bill that would have allowed them to.

#127 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

two places..
planned parenthood money
language must deny it which is why the house passed that amendment in the first place but the liars KNEW the senate version wouldnt have it and thus they LIED thier ass off to stupac and others just to get votes in the house unlike the senate where they didnt need them

SHIT..I dont know why this is so hard to understand.

The headline should read:

Obama: 'Help Me Finish This Fight' That I Started
I Wanna Show 'em Who's Boss"

Bullshit. Planned Parenthood doesn't give away free abortions.

KBM

He IS the boss. You miss the 2008 election where he won by a landslide?

one thing the whole thing as done is make people aware of things such as court rulings and amendments and intent and such.
today may be the first time since ,,AHEM,....college advanced political science class...AHEM>..that I have thought about the supremacy clause in the constitution..

should be an interesting battle..
and a LOT OF FUN

HERE AT THE OLE RETORT.....

(music fadeout).....

Bullshit. Planned Parenthood doesn't give away free abortions.

#132 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

oh no...an enabler is just as guilty in many cases......

AFLAC

Glad to see you're using the socialist library to look up something besides a woman's dress. LOL

He IS the boss. You miss the 2008 election where he won by a landslide?

#133 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

you know..whenever I read some obamaorgamatron say this, I want to archive it and show it off when the next gop is president and they come up with this no landslide idea....

HEY maybe it will be in 2012 when we inaugurate president paul ryan??

could happen

oh no...an enabler is just as guilty in many cases......

#135 | Posted by afkabl2

That wasn't the long-whined assertion. The right wing assertion was that the government would be funding abortion.

damn..
are you HERE somewhere...
this great looking bitch just sat down next to me...

but will have to be content with looking down her blouse since she has jeans on..really TIGHT ones..must be going to rodeo tonight...

That wasn't the long-whined assertion. The right wing assertion was that the government would be funding abortion.

#138 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010

taxes to PP
PP uses taxes to get abortion = taxpayer supported abortion

you may know it as A=B, B=C, A=C

KBM

He IS the boss. You miss the 2008 election where he won by a landslide?

#133 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

?A landslide----I'm sure you misquoted yourself---?you mean a molehill slide

Even that molehill gets smaller and smaller.

The GOP would call Obama's victory a 'landslide'.

He beat the pants off of McCain and won by 2-1 EV

taxes to PP
PP uses taxes to get abortion = taxpayer supported abortion

you may know it as A=B, B=C, A=C

#140 | Posted by afkabl2

Planned Parenthood does not give free abortions to anyone. Period.

"The GOP would call Obama's victory a 'landslide'."

Hell yes, they called Bush's squeaker a "mandate".

DANFORTH

Saw the 'Arch' yesterday. Never made it out of St. Louis, but I was in the Big MO.

"Saw the 'Arch' yesterday. Never made it out of St. Louis, but I was in the Big MO."

You were still in the wrong side of the damn state. KC is much better than the town of my birth.

I know. You couldn't hear me holler over there? LOL

The biggest voter turn out in history will happen in November if this crap passes tomorrow. Most the states are already filing challenges forcing their citizens to buy something they don't want, or go to jail. People thought 0bama was stupid saying we would not raise taxes one dime, but if this garbage passes tomorrow, you will see your FICA jump 100% right to the government, so who needs to raise taxes? We are making history as the stupidest generation that ened the American experiment.

Uh, oh. Now John Boehner's threatening physical violence over HCR:

"Today in a front page article the Enquirer carries a quote from John Boehner (taken from the National Review). Boehner, who represents the neighboring district to the north says if Driehaus votes for the bill ""the Catholics will run him out of town. He may be a dead man. He can't go home to the West Side of Cincinnati."

Someday, a study will come out showing self tanning creams cause brain damage and Boehner, as a 'man of color', will freak out.

#148 | Posted by RIGHTPOLICY

Will they be wearing their silly Teabagger costumes and screaming the long debunked talking points?

Teabaggers are gathered outside the Capitol:

#150 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Actually they will be giving the dems Iraqi gas masks where they will learn what tea bagging really is.

There will not be even ONE Reublican vote making this bill the new brand of the democrats alone. Better hope premiums go down, competition goes up, doctor availability goes up, research and development continues, and the deficit drops as the dem talking points say.

Oh, and no tax increase for those making less than $250k... not one thin dime.

You know the CBO scored the two Bush/GOP tax cuts and Medicare Part D, don't ya? Yes, they scored them as causing trillions in deficits, but the GOP voted for them anyway via reconciliation. Not a peep about deficits or debt except from Dick Cheney, who said "Ronald Reagan proved deficits don't matter."

Don't worry, the public will be better informed by the fall, reminded of who got us in this mess, and who were responsible for WELL over $1 Trillion a year in deficits because of unfunded GOP tax cuts and programs.

I agree that all incumbents should be looked at because they suck. But now there is finally a clear difference to everyone between the two parties. If healthcare improves (not just insurance) then the dems will get credit. If it does not do all the things they promised, which I can't see how it could, this will be their new brand.

Life is a friggin' gamble anyway. You decide what risks you want to take and which risks you take insurance against.

How many people have catastrophic health care insurance? Doesn't cost much but if you get cancer, need a transplant, or something that needs money beyond your current coverage, it picks up the tab.

Already available.

If you make the choice to not make the sacrifices necessary to insure yourself, then you are taking a risk. Not to mention that even with the best insurance possible you still can die.

Otherwise, you have a few poker runs and bake sales to raise money to help pay for your needs. ALL VOLUNTARY CONTRIBUTIONS.

Not to mention that you can go bankrupt if worst comes to worst financially.

Turns out over 80% of people who visit the E/R DO have insurance already. The other 20% don't, but still get care.

But some folks think we shouldn't be able to be responsible for ourselves. Some folks want a nanny state that will take care of them.

Unfortunately, history has repeatedly show that those folks inevitably turn out to be wrong. Or misguided, to be nice about it.

BREAKING: What a class crowd!! :

"Civil rights hero Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) and fellow Congressional Black Caucus member Andre Carson (D-IN) related a particularly jarring encounter with a large crowd of protesters screaming "kill the bill"... and punctuating their chants with the word "nigger."

Standing next to Lewis, emerging from a Democratic caucus meeting with President Obama, Carson said people in the crowd yelled, "kill the bill and then the N-word" several times, while he and Lewis were exiting the Canon House office building.

"People have been just downright mean," Lewis added.

And that wasn't an isolated incident. Early this afternoon, standing outside a Democratic whip meeting in the Longworth House office building, I watched Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) make his way out the door, en route to the neighboring Rayburn building. As he rounded the corner toward the exit, wading through a huge crowd of tea partiers and other health care protesters, an elderly white man screamed "Barney, you faggot"--a line that caused dozens of his confederates to erupt in laughter."

What a classy bunch of people. Surprised they didn't call the guy with Parkinson's 'CRIPPLE!'.

From NBC's Luke Russert
The Tea Party protests got ugly today.

African-American Congressman John Lewis (D-GA), a protege of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., who helped organize the March on Washington, went to the House floor today to tell Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (D-SC) that a Tea Party protester called him a "nigger."

Another Democratic source confirms to NBC News that openly gay Congressman Barney Frank (D-MA) was called a "faggot" by somebody in the Tea Party crowd.

Rep. Emanaul Cleaver (D-MO), another African-American member, was apparently spit on by a Tea Party protester.

Clyburn, who helped lead sit-ins in South Carolina in the '60s had this to say regarding the Tea Partiers:

"It was absolutely shocking to me, last Monday, I stayed home to meet on the campus Pomford University where 50 years ago, as of last Monday, March 15th I led the first demonstrations in South Carolina, the sit-ins...quite frankly I heard some things today that I haven't heard since that day. I heard people saying things today I've not heard since March 15th, 1960 when I was marching to try and get off the back of the bus. This is incredible, shocking to me.

He added, "It doesn't make me nervous, I am the hardest person in the world to intimidate. ... Well a lot of us have said for a long time that none of this is about healthcare at all. ... It's about extending a basic fundamental right to people who are less powerful."

*** UPDATE *** NBC's Shawna Thomas has more after an interview with Frank. Here's part of what he had to say:

"It's just disappointing. ... John Lewis said he felt like it was 50 years ago. ... I walked from the Longworth building to the Rayburn building ... people started shouting and saying abusive things, and I just kept walking. ...

"The Republican leadership is making a mistake not doing more to dissasociate from this. ... It's a mob mentality that doesn't work politically. ...

"The only problem I have with this... They all said 'You should quit. You should quit. We're going to defeat you. At some point... I'd like to retire. As long as I think it might make some of those people happy, I can never retire. I may have to work forever as long as they're out there."

Teabaggers are the closet thing America has to Neanderthals.

Comments, righties?

As long as rethugs like the tea baggers exist there will always be work that needs to be done.

"like it was 50 years ago"

More like 55.

au and jackass...your prejudice is showing again.

I know, nothing new, but still it is a sign of an immature mind and pointless wallowing.

Please try to grow up. And maybe take a course on argument, logic and reason. It really would help you to be seen as something as other than a fool.

It isn't our side resorting to racial slurs to get our point across. All you have is insults and lies but it won't work because we have truth and logic.

"Please try to grow up. And maybe take a course on argument, logic and reason. It really would help you to be seen as something as other than a fool."

But Daprof, haven't you told me again and again that the liberal-run colleges (never mind K-12) are horrible and don't teach kids anything? Where would Jackass take such a course?

what a Communist dickwad

#161 | Posted by daprof at 2010-03-20 07:27 PM

Sorry, that's NBC's story. I posted it. Logical.

wow AU, do you have a life? your first post on this story was @ 1042am

Ya, a great life. Thanks.

Still nursing a severe shoulder injury. Not much else to do today anyway if it's any of your business, which it isn't.

And, as the Oklahoma Insurance Commissioner says, it's only getting worse. This will continue nationwide without addressing the problem.

If this had been W's plan you'd be all over it like a sailor on a wharf hooker. You know it.

your right, none of my business how your shoulder is,,,, and it's not the governments business either

This is gonna make the network news. Spreading like wildfire:

MAVERICK

It's none of your business if I can buy health insurance from the same pool Congress does either.

Are we going to hear yet another debunked right wing talking point? I'll guess and check back.

Then there are 'cripples' with Parkinson's Disease (who happen to have PhD's and were forced to retire as nuclear engineers) they throw dollar bills at and get all ugly with. What a bunch of great Americans! (*sarcasm*)

AU, no talking points. BTW I hope your shoulder gets better.

you are a very hateful soul, which would explain your views

Uh, oh. Teabaggers threatening gun Violence if HCR passes:

Thanks, Maverick (good wishes for shoulder).

No, I'm the opposite of a hateful soul. My sister died because of an insurance company who canceled her policy after she was diagnosed with breast cancer. What they did was egregious to the Nth degree. She'd been with them for years. Proof insurance is fine unless you get sick.

My wife and I own our own businesses. Health insurance is exorbitant. I paid cash for my shoulder because I didn't want our premium going up more than it already has every single year. We pay over double what we did 10 years ago. I haven't been for more than the flu a handful of times in that period. So, they had no reason to but that they could. This system needs to be fixed. The GOP never proposed a plan - not even when they had it all. Now, to hear the debunked rhetoric from a party who had the whole enchilada and did nothing about it is just more hypocrisy from where I stand.

yes, the system does need fixing...........the Gov. is not the answer. everything they do, they screw up. free enterprise vs gov. no contest.

good night

BTW KU lost hahahaha.. I'm an MU fan

Yeah--help him finish the fight and fall on your sword in November...