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Friday, March 19, 2010

The Democrats are assaulting the very pillars of our democracy. As the debate on Obamacare reaches the long, painful end, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is confronting a political nightmare. She may not have the 216 votes necessary to pass the Senate's health care bill in the House.

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At least Jimmy Carter can now say he's not the worst president still alive.

The Repubs used the same proceedure many times. The nation survived.

More diversionary outrage from the cry baby right

Considering its been used 34 times previously, they are urinating in the wind.

They need to kick out Barry's whole administration.
They're a pack of spycopathic, control freak, crooks, and liars.

A "Leftist revolution". What a maroon!

I've often wondered how batshit crazy one would have to be to be a "Christian conservative" opinion writer that takes a paycheck from the Messiah Himself, the Rev Sun Myung Moon.

And how much frakking crazier one would have to be to credit whatever they wrote.

psychopathic

Yeah, and batshit blind Obamanoids like Dorkee have an inside track on the truth.

That's why they always used ad-hom attacks, deflection, and defamation when telling everyone the truth of the matter.

I only skimmed this article, but is he really saying the President should be impeached because Congress is acting in an unconstitutional manner?

The Democrats are assaulting the very pillars of our democracy.

I thought the blow job in the oval office did that years ago.

I wonder if this is the same Huhner that has a talk radio show.

Yeah, and batshit blind Obamanoids like Dorkee have an inside track on the truth.

That's why they always used ad-hom attacks, deflection, and defamation when telling everyone the truth of the matter.

#7 | Posted by JeffnDenmark at 2010-03-19 11:05 AM |

How's the weather in douchemark, douchebag?

He is the daily host of "The Kuhner Show" on WTNT 570-AM (www.talk570.com) from noon until 3 p.m

Poor Jeffn, the tin foil these days just ain't what it used to be.....

Dumb article, but pretending that using this procedure in the way they're suggesting is run-of-the-mill is also dumb. Yes, the procedure's been used before, but not on nearly 1 trillion dollar bills, not to remove one bill and just deem an entirely different one passed.

I'd rather wear a tin foil hat than drink the Barry coolaid.


I only skimmed this article, but is he really saying the President should be impeached because Congress is acting in an unconstitutional manner?

#8 | Posted by kanrei

I suppose that assumes that Obama signs the bill when it hits his desk.

not to remove one bill and just deem an entirely different one passed.

I was doing more reading last night on this, and she (Pelosi) is covering her base. She is getting 51 Senators to swear they will vote for the House changes unseen.

I only skimmed this article, but is he really saying the President should be impeached because Congress is acting in an unconstitutional manner?

I had the same question. Jeffrey T. Kuhner thinks the president might face impeachment over an action taken by Congress. Utterly moronic. It's pretty ironic that he's president of a think tank.

I suppose that assumes that Obama signs the bill when it hits his desk.

I am not sure you an impeach a President for signing a bill that Congress broke the Constitution to pass. It would simply just be overturned in the SCOTUS. Obama is 100% clear in that and it is pathetic for Kuhner to even bring up the "I" word.

What I like is that Jeffn is Left of Michael Moore and Dennis K... wait, or is he Right of Adolf and Benito?

I'm so confused....

#11 | Posted by jerrytarkanian
The weather's fine. Spring has sprung.

How's the weather there in your trailer park in Dogpatch USA ?

I finally agree with Dorkee.

You are confused.

"but is he really saying the President should be impeached because Congress is acting in an unconstitutional manner?" - Kanrei

If you read it carefully he is saying the government is behaving in an unconstitutional manner by ignoring article1, section 7. His evidence, is how the House may use "deem and pass", plus the number of states that are going to take this to court, and possibly individuals too.

Not that I agree completely with impeachment, but I have to say, avoiding the straight up vote is a problem. As good socialist like to say, "The ends justify the means".

To those that indicate its been done 33 times in the past. If the legislation was important perhaps it should have been noted, and protested. But this is a rather important piece of legislation. Wouldn't you want a straight up vote on something like this? Why the embarrassment? I would like to add, just because it was done, doesn't mean its a good idea.

Hey Jeffn, try this.

When you see a post I make that has nuthin' to do with you personally, and instead of retorting what I said you decide to attack me... don't.

Maybe that will work out better for you, and you won't have to whine so much when I retort the attack.

"What I like is that Jeffn is Left of Michael Moore and Dennis K... wait, or is he Right of Adolf and Benito?"

Skidmark's philosophy is summed up nicely by this Ramones tune:

I'm Against It

So we are saying that 33 times in the past bills have passed the house without voting?

"At least Jimmy Carter can now say he's not the worst president still alive."

If you think Dubya was better than Carter, you're retarded.

And I say that as someone who thinks Carter was a very bad president.

She may not have the 216 votes necessary to pass the Senate's health care bill in the House.

Posted by mysterytoy

Dreamer!

Can you put your hands in your head OH NO!

poor mysteryboy... such a tool.

Self-executing rules are not uncommon in the House. For instance, the chamber used the procedure on Feb. 3 to adopt a Senate amendment to a resolution about raising the statutory limit on federal debt. House Republican leaders used it 36 times between 2005 and 2006 and Democrats used it 49 times in 2007 and 2008, according to Brookings Institution congressional scholar Thomas Mann writing for Politico.

And the reconciliation process has been used repeatedly for policy-related measures. For instance, Congress used reconciliation in 1996 to make big changes to welfare, including separating it from Medicaid.

Norm Ornstein, a leading congressional scholar with the conservative American Enterprise Institute, said the GOP in 2006 used a very similar tactic to what the Democrats are now proposing, employing a self-executing rule to pass $38.8 billion in budget cuts without having to vote on an immigration measure.

www.tampabay.com

the GOP in 2006 used a very similar tactic

Similar but not exactly the same right?

Similar but not exactly the same right?

That's wot "similar" means.

Very good, Miseryboi.

You show progress.

Be Well.

Self-executing rules are not uncommon in the House. For instance, the chamber used the procedure on Feb. 3 to adopt a Senate amendment to a resolution about raising the statutory limit on federal debt. House Republican leaders used it 36 times between 2005 and 2006 and Democrats used it 49 times in 2007 and 2008, according to Brookings Institution congressional scholar Thomas Mann writing for Politico.

And the reconciliation process has been used repeatedly for policy-related measures. For instance, Congress used reconciliation in 1996 to make big changes to welfare, including separating it from Medicaid.

Norm Ornstein, a leading congressional scholar with the conservative American Enterprise Institute, said the GOP in 2006 used a very similar tactic to what the Democrats are now proposing, employing a self-executing rule to pass $38.8 billion in budget cuts without having to vote on an immigration measure.

www.tampabay.com

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2010-03-19 12:42 PM

Amendments and budget items, not the same as an entire bill.

Amendments and budget items, not the same as an entire bill.

#31 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

So to say this is similar is a big fat lie?

That's wot "similar" means.

Very good, Miseryboi.

You show progress.

Be Well.

#30 | Posted by dethspud

Is that your best shot old man? I know the definition and I realize that Huhner wouldn't make this big of a stink if something 'similar' happened in the past. No this is another one of your lies.

I was one of the authors of the legislation that created the budget reconciliation process in 1974, and I am certain that putting health care reform and climate change legislation on a freight train through Congress is an outrage that must be resisted. -- Robert Byrd (D-WV)

"There's a lot of discomfort with the reconciliation process, the self-implementing rule, where you wouldn't have a formal vote on maybe the most important policy of the past 40 years. I have a big issue with the way they're doing the process. I think it's wrong and my constituents don't like it." Rep. Jason Altmire (D-PA)

"Anyone who would stand before you and say 'well, if you pass health care reform next year's health care premiums are going down,' I don't think is telling the truth. I think it is likely they would go up." Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL)

Yeah, and batshit blind Obamanoids like Dorkee have an inside track on the truth.

That's why they always used ad-hom attacks, deflection, and defamation when telling everyone the truth of the matter.

#7 | Posted by JeffnDenmark at 2010-03-19 11:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Jeff---how about you read that post to yourself and see if you can find any irony. How about this post?

They need to kick out Barry's whole administration.
They're a pack of psycopathic, control freak, crooks, and liars.

#4 | Posted by JeffnDenmark at 2010-03-19 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag

Goatman is that you?

Is that your best shot old man? I know the definition and I realize that Huhner wouldn't make this big of a stink if something 'similar' happened in the past. No this is another one of your lies.

#33 | Posted by mysterytoy

yeah we ALL know that the President of a Conservative Republican "think tank" doesn't have an agenda nor would he EVER distort the truth about this process.

just sayin' . . . considering that regular Americans outnumber Democrats about 4 to 1, there is likely to be a shit-load of un-governable people in the very near future

Markh wins the Orwellian Newspeak award!

How is it ya'll always get your information so bassackwards?

as of october 2009 only 20 percent of Americans would admit to being republican!

"The 2009 version of the Republican Party has no boundaries, has no shame and has proved that they will put politics above patriotism at every turn. It's no wonder only 20 percent of Americans admit to being Republicans anymore -- it's an embarrassing label to claim."

The number surprised us, so we decided to look into Woodhouse's claim that only 20 percent of Americans identify themselves as Republican.

The accuracy of Woodhouse's remark depends on how broadly you define someone's party affiliation. Pollsters typically ask people to identify their party, but results depend on whether you also include people who say they "lean" to one of the parties, or whether you restrict the label to include just registered voters who are likely to vote.

Recent polls indicate he was right for broad surveys that were not limited to likely voters. According to a recent Associated Press-GfK poll, 21 percent of adults identified themselves as Republicans, while 33 percent said they were Democrats.

An early October CBS poll found basically the same numbers, and an NBC/ Wall Street Journal poll taken in September found Republican identification at 18 percent. A check of Pollster.com, a Web site that aggregates recent polls and averages the results, reveals that, overall, about 22.5 percent of adults identify themselves as Republicans, while 33.7 percent identify themselves as Democrats, if you average recent polls. Note that these averages are a little squishy because each poll has a different margin of error, but they give a good estimate of where the country stands.

www.politifact.com

And are you actually saying that Democrat aren't "normal" Americans Mark?

And are you actually saying that Democrat(s) aren't "normal" Americans Mark?

Gosh...we would never say that about the Rethug Noper Party of Sarah!

And are you actually saying that Democrat aren't "normal" Americans Mark?

#41 | Posted by donnerboy


Gallup; Princeton, NJ 2009 . . US demographics
44% conservative . .
35% moderate (60/40 self identified repubs) . .
21% liberal . .

sorry dude,
my world/state/community doesn't look anything like Acorn, Ayers, Pelosi, Axelrod, or Reid.

I'm happy to take ya at your word that YOURS DOES . .
AKA Gallup show that you are at about 20% . .
likely much lower in today's 2010

I do appologize for the facts . .
you may file a "hurt feelings report" on me if you wish

The weather's fine. Spring has sprung.

How's the weather there in your trailer park in Dogpatch USA ?

#21 | Posted by JeffnDenmark at 2010-03-19 11:24 AM

I guess you, being where ever the fuck you are, don't know but Dogpatch USA changed its name several years ago and is now known as Marble Falls.

en.wikipedia.org

When I was through there a couple of months ago, there wasn't a trailer park anywhere to be seen.

I was through Pine Ridge last week and the Jot'em Down Store is still there. Not sure if it is still open, but it's still standing.

Just wanted to keep you (and everybody else) updated. Now, please do carry on.

The Repubs used the same proceedure many times. The nation survived.

#2 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2010-03-19 10:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

But ... but .... but Bush .......

Lamest justification EVAR

"Lamest justification EVAR"

Almost as lame as Rs bitching about something they've done dozens of times.

or is he Right of Adolf and Benito?

I'm so confused....

#20 | Posted by Corky at 2010-03-19 11:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

Nazi reference.

Loser

just because it was done, doesn't mean its a good idea.

#23 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2010-03-19 11:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

But ... but ... but .... Bush ....

How is it ya'll always get your information so bassackwards?

as of october 2009 only 20 percent of Americans would admit to being republican!

#41 | Posted by donnerboy at 2010-03-19 07:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

DonnerParty: how is it that you get your information so wrong?

To be not-Democrat does not mean being Republican, you stupid, partisan fuck.

For those of us with minds (stretch yourself) it's possible to not identify with any political faction

Almost as lame as Rs bitching about something they've done dozens of times.

#46 | Posted by Danforth at 2010-03-20 12:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

True that.

Republicans bitch and complain a lot. Almost as much as Democrats

For those of us with minds (stretch yourself) it's possible to not identify with any political faction

#49 | Posted by vernon at 2010-03-20 02:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

LOL---you are as partisan as they come.

That would make Joe Biden president.

Yes, Obama is a despicable human being, but in his one act of real genius, picked the one guy as his VP who insulates him against any conservative attempt to remove him.

That was the short-sightedness of the Repubs during the Clinton impeachment, btw. Can you imagine Al Gore as president? Godalmighty.

#52 | Posted by rightisright FLAG: Brainwashed - KEEPS ONE EYE ON FOXNEWS AT ALL TIMES

Nope, sorry douchebag. The only news I watch is Bloomberg and CNN International.

That quite a talking point you Obamots have going--that if you're not lined up in front of O's nut sack every day it must be because we're all at a Klan rally, or watching Glenn Beck. Or watching Glenn Beck at a Klan rally.

The big tent is shrinking, and the libbies are becoming more shrill by the day.

You sound just like a screaming meemie FoxNews hound. Same bullshit talking points.

Morons still calling C-SPAN asserting they'll 'lose their health care' and be forced on 'government run health care'.

These people live under a rock called FoxNews.

I'm not one of the 19-percenters. That's you. Did Fox do all that to him? Or is it possible that the two hundred and fifty million Americans who don't watch Fox have been able to figure out all by ourselves that the guy is a turd?

RIR:
I laugh at your impotence. We impeached Clinton for lying a about a blowjob when the investigator couldn't get him on anythng they were actually supposed to be investigating...why should this be any different?

It's America. Try suing Obama, it's your money and time.

Considering its been used 34 times previously, they are urinating in the wind.

#3 | Posted by fresno500 at 2010-03-19 10:52 AM | Reply | Flag...

A) And were any of those times going affect such a significant percentage of our economy? In spite of popular angst? How about a list of those 34 times.

B) Considering that Pelosi & Slaughter & Obama were against such a "nuclear option" how can they not be hypocritical for trying to use it now?

And on thread:

No, Obama shouldn't be impeached....yet....

Can you imagine Al Gore as president? Godalmighty.

#52 | Posted by rightisright at 2010-03-20 09:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sure--no wars in Iraq or Afghanistan--thousands of Americans not killed needlessly----a great economy---and Single Payer health care passed years ago. Instead, we got the moron you voted for---wars for his daddy, thousands dead---a shit economy, burgeoning health care costs, and a country divided more than anytime in the past, including the 1860's.

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