Changing your vote makes you corrupt???
Coburn should be censured for this, threatening people is not a reasonable way to argue your case.

Changing one's vote in exchange for something the president promised makes one corrupt.

If the bill was any good on its merrits, they wouldn't have to threatened to coerce people into voting for it.

It's not so much corrpution as moral bankruptcy.

"moral bankruptcy"

I agree. When these people are more concerned with the legacy of the president than what is good for the country it shows a lack of morality.

These Dem congresspeople are good little Obama slaves. They have turned the legislative branch of the U.S. governemtnt into a rubber stamp parliament fit for a banana republic.

Great hypothetical threat.

As if Repubs aren't holding shit up now.

"As if Repubs aren't holding shit up now."

Thank God!! I'm not a republican, but I would support anything or anyone who would "hold up" the shit this administration is trying to force on us!

- I'm not a republican

Wish I had a nickle for every time I've heard that from people who voted for GW.

Rethugs threatening to be Obstructionists?

Oh, say it ain't so!

As if they've done anything else since they lost the election.

"Wish I had a nickle for every time I've heard that from people who voted for GW."

I voted AGAINST Obama, I didn't vote FOR Bush. I guess in your limited expanse brain you consider anyone who didn't vote for Obama a republican.
NEWS FLASH, Corkieee... There are independents, libertarians and various other political ideologies that are not necessarily aligned with the republican or democrat parties. As for myself, I haven't been able to vote democrat since JFK and LBJ. You really expect someone conservative would vote for McCarthy? Humphrey? Mondale, Dukakis, Gore? Kerry? OBAMA???? Get real. Nominate another JFK and I could certainly change my mind. (PS...I voted for a democrat governor recently...gasp!)

All Democrats are evil and corrupt.

#9 AFLACabibble Wannabe

"Rethugs threatening to be Obstructionists?"

As I said before...THANK GOD! I'm getting to like them more and more. I even like the "obstructionist" democrats. You do realize, don't you, that those are the folks fuckin' up the passing of ObamaCare, don't you? Oh, of course not, I realize you and Danni actually believe it's the republicans. But then, neither of you are all that bright.

Liberals are just so envious of Cuba where they have a one party dictatorship with no opposition.

Wish I had a nickle for every time I've heard that from people who voted for GW.

#7 | Posted by Corky

I'm sure you'd donate it just like the Bush tax cuts, right?

I wish I had a nickel for every Democrat who voted for Obama and now regrets it.

#15

We'd both be rich.

OK, rich-er.

Changing one's vote in exchange for something the president promised makes one corrupt.

And is that happening here? Any evidence whatsoever? Coburn is grandstanding.

"Nominate another JFK and I could certainly change my mind."

John F. Kennedy

Although most people more strongly associate Lyndon Johnson with Medicare, the idea was a central component of JFK's 1960s campaign. Once elected, Kennedy took up the cause right out of the box, in January 1961.

Check it out:

AND ONCE again we see the left going into convulsions when a gop attempts to outdo the left on threats and attacks..

Democracy in action

NEW RULE: Senate Republican Coburn style

1.vote no on a bill
2.bill is changed by amendments
3.you must vote no again ???

Electoral politics in action

You Liberals are purposefully misrepresenting what Coburn is doing. It's one thing to change your vote out of principle, but it's different if you change yur vote because of a corrupt backroom deal. All Coburn is saying is that those corrupt Dems who change their vote, not out of principle, but because they are corrupt may not get what was promised to them and they'll have to defend their corruption in November.

S#22 | Posted by mitch
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Since the bill is different from the on they voted nay on, how does S. Coburn determine whether it's a principled vote?

The only quote I could find he says nothing about corruption or the buying of votes.

"I want to send a couple of messages to my colleges in the house."

His view did not prevail in the Senate so he turns to threatening the other chambercrybaby or bully?
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"If you voted no and you vote yes, and you lose your election, and you think any nomination to a federal position isn't going to be held in the Senate, I've got news for you. It's going to be held."

What if you change your vote from yes to no... never mind.

NEW RULE: Senate Republican Coburn style

1. vote no on a bill
2. bill is changed by amendments
3. you must vote no again ???
4. you are corrupt
5. I will force/keep you out of politics

Electoral politics in action
============

"Number two is, if you get a deal, a parochial deal for you or your district, I've already instructed my staff and the staff of seven other senators that we will look at every appropriations bill, at every level, at every instance, and we will outline it by district, and we will associate that with the buying of your vote. So, if you think you can cut a deal now, and it not come out until after the election, I want to tell you that isn't going to happen. And be prepared to defend selling your vote in the House."

"we will look at every appropriations bill, at every level, at every instance, and we will outline it by district, and we will associate that with the buying of your vote"

Politics Coburn style my way is the only highway. How does he tell which one is a pay off, must have a big red crystal ball. Making false allegations about the vote is no problemyou go prove a false negative.
===============

"So, if you think you can cut a deal now, and it not come out until after the election, I want to tell you that isn't going to happen. And be prepared to defend selling your vote in the House."

Of course the sole arbiter of whether a deal was made are the republican Senators (now the gang of 7) and their head inquisitor "the holder in chief " S Coburn.

Pathetic

Wish I had a nickle for every time I've heard that from people who voted for GW.

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2010-03-19 11:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

Voting for what some perceive as the lesser of the bad doesn't necessarily make them an affiliate of any party.

I realize this reality might be difficult to understand for those who are affiliates of a party and vote blindly for that party.

But do try to rise above the low bar you've set for yourself. You'll be a happier person for doing so.

Perhaps this is Colburn's way of saying, the bill is going to pass and I will do what I can to make life miserable for anyone who voted for it if I have a chance.

Sounds rather vindictive to me.

Changing one's vote in exchange for something the president promised makes one corrupt.

If the bill was any good on its merrits, they wouldn't have to threatened to coerce people into voting for it.

#2 | Posted by mitch at 2010-03-19 08:58 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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As if the Republicans have any "moral" change left in their piggy banks after the last eight years... yeah right....

The GOP continues their spiral into the land of delusion.

I love the way the left and right defend the indefensible by saying 'well, the other guys did it'.

Trading your vote for "goodies" is wrong. Doesn't matter if it is dems or repubs.

In this case, it is the dems that are selling their vote. If it were bush doing this, 80% of the people would switch positions.

"Changing your vote makes you corrupt???"
#1 | Posted by danni

Trading your vote makes you corrupt!
Selling your vote makes you corrupt!
Changing your vote because your fellow Demacrats threaten you makes you corrupt!
Accepting bribes to change your vote makes you corrupt!

Every single one of these tactics have been used to badger Democrats into voting yes for ObamaCare.

#29 | Posted by KBM at 2010-03-19 10:51 PM | Reply | Flag: Legislative Virgin

"I love the way the left and right defend the indefensible by saying 'well, the other guys did it'."

I love the way these "libertarian" dickheads pretend they're not part of the right.

KBM-
This debate reminds me of the time just a few years ago you and other conservatives went to the mat fighting against Medicare Part D, which cost more and was just added to the debt without even the pretense of an attempt to budget it. I'm glad to see you are consistent.

Those were the days....

Later blog.

If it were bush doing this, 80% of the people would switch positions.

#28 | Posted by 1libertarian at 2010-03-19 10:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Including you.

OUT

"Coburn should be censured for this, threatening people is not a reasonable way to argue your case." - Danni

It's as reasonable as bribery I suppose.

No, bg, you missed again. Can you get anything right?

#1 Danni
Missing the point again. Changing vote doesn't make you corrupt. Taking payoffs does.

Jm

Missing the point again. Changing vote doesn't make you corrupt. Taking payoffs does.

Care to point out any?

Oh, you base this on the way the GOP ran things. Got it.

#8
"Obstructionist" is such a bullshit term. Why in hell would anyone fighting like hell to block horrendous, socialist programs from being foisted on tax paying voters who consistently reject them, be an obstructionist? I call him a patriotic American!

Oh, I see that Caterpillar has calculated that Obamacare will increase its health insurance costs by $100 million in the first year. Immediate layoffs will ensue, and certain divisions will be moved overseas.

Hey - who the hell needs the world's biggest heavy equipment manufacturer to survive anyway? It's not like they employ anyone or pay colossal taxes or anything.

JM

#38
Seriously??

Ummm - Cornhusker Kickback... a permanent exemption from the state's share of Medicaid expansion in exchange for an Obamacare "yes".

Bernie Sanders in Vermont snaked a $10 bil deal for some health centers and then coincidentally changed his vote.

300 Mil deal in Louisiana for Medicaid.

That's 3.

JM

Seriously??
Yes, seriously.

I know the Cornhusker kickback is out, dead. I know the 300 M for Louisiana is out, dead. I don't know the status on Sanders.

You're not doing well so far. Should I go research Sanders?

I'm going with 2 out of 3 being enough to disprove your contention.

By the way, I think you should look up the word "payoffs."

You know, Abramoff. Ensign's not looking too good right now either.

Or would you like me to bring up Sugerland and Tom Delay?

Oh my, this could get quite fun. Let's go back to how Congress has worked from the beginning.

Now, do you wish to talk about bribes, payoffs and corruption or do you want to talk about what both sides do to achieve legislation?

Man, the Dems are looking so shitty with the process they are using here. Coburn needs to step out of the way and let them self destruct.

WTF is he thinking.

Fuck you, Coburn. What kind of physician are you anyway?

Forget the GOP had 6 solid years to address the first thing about health insurance reform?

Oh, and Sanders project is nationwide, not for VT.

Anyone who votes for this monstrosity should be disqualified from ever being in public service again. That goes for everyone who switches from No to Yes, and to anyone who was a Yes all along.

Forget the GOP had 6 solid years to address the first thing about health insurance reform?

AU - The Republican Party was never concerned with health reform. This is ok with the base because the belief that the reform that is being called for will lead to huge costs increases on a (future) budget that is already strained. I think that is accurate, as we will continue to have this hodge podge of 'fixes' as opposed to one government insurance group. The government is already involved with half of health insurance, why not take that half and combine all those programs (VA, MediCare, Medicaid, Tricare, Tricare Reserve Select, SCHIP, ETC) and keep the private insurance as well, or hell, even go single payer?

Only when the Democrat Party makes health care a signature issue do the Republicans propose solutions, which are 'better'.

I agree. When these people are more concerned with the legacy of the president than what is good for the country it shows a lack of morality.

Aren't those two things sort of, oh I don't know, connected?

Is it possible to have a good legacy while completely fucking over the American people?

These Dem congresspeople are good little Obama slaves. They have turned the legislative branch of the U.S. governemtnt into a rubber stamp parliament fit for a banana republic.

Did you sleep through the Bush years? What do you think Congress was then?

Also, what exactly have they rubber stamped?

Changing your vote because your fellow Demacrats threaten you makes you corrupt!

So you'll agree then that Congress under Tom Delay was EXTREMELY corrupt?

Also, what exactly have they rubber stamped?

NOTHING!

They aren't even an effective majority!

President Obama has been pushed around and embarrassed by a minority Republican Party.

NOTHING!

They aren't even an effective majority!

President Obama has been pushed around and embarrassed by a minority Republican Party.

I agree wholeheartedly.

Mitch evidently disagrees.

Only when the Democrat Party makes health care a signature issue do the Republicans propose solutions, which are 'better'.

#47 | Posted by andyuhenet

Close, but not exactly. Some changes had been proposed, but not pushed as they should have been. These include comprehensive tort reform. There was talk, a few false starts, etc. Unfortunately, nothing came of it.

Next, the signature issue of the dems is GOVT control of everything. Banks, car companies, etc. Health care is 1 of the major attacks on freedom, but it is part of a coordinated attack that repubs never managed to equal. [however, as they often proposed things I didn't like, the fact that they weren't more unified wasn't always a bad thing].

And if the choice is this huge-honkin-piece-of-shit or no change, the vast majority would prefer no change.

No matter how fucked up the system is now, and it is fucked up, the dems can make it worse. This bill does that, in spades.

Why in 2700 pages is there no protection for doctors? Why no ending to defensive medical practices? Why no caps on lawsuits?

There is a doctor in NY (I believe) that runs a small office, charges his patients something like 100 a month and covers the majority of all their medical needs. I wonder why something like this isn't looked at, to see if it works for him and his customers, can it be scaled-up to fix some of the runaway costs?

Why nothing but massive govt control? Why do you have to deal with the IRS on health care?

#47 | Posted by andyuhenet

Rep. Alan Grayson has 80 co-sponsors so far (in just a few days) for a bill he'll submit opening up Medicare for all. We already have the mechanisms in place. Reportedly, he's got a HECK of a lot of interest in his 3 1/2 page bill:

Medicare You Can Buy Into Act, HR 4789. This three-and-a-half page bill says that anyone can buy Medicare at cost. It's the simplest public option you can imagine. You want it, you buy it, you got it

Part of the HCR Act being voted on Sunday is increasing Medicare reimbursements and giving GP's and specialists incentives to practice in under served areas. The AMA is firmly behind passage on Sunday.

all of this is just posturing from all the parties.

the corporations already decided how they were going to fuck us over. the people got nothing.

A Republican Senator is threatening a House Democrat . . . but only from a future nomination . . . IF such a nomination should ever happen?

Big F'n deal.

The Republicans have gotten pussified. Back in the good ol' days, Cheney would have threatened to have someone kneecapped.

Coburn sed wot now?

He'll block nominations to any Dem who switched to a yes vote on HC reform?

A rethug threatening to be an obstructionist?

Lawls!

Isn't that kinda like water threatening to be wet?

The sky threatening to be blue?

The sun threatening to be round?

Be Well.

Back in the good ol' days, Cheney would have threatened to have someone kneecapped.

Or if in a hurry Cheney'd just shoot 'em in the face himself.

Be Well.

Going public with a threat!

My, my . . . how very clever of Coburn. /snark

Not that it hasn't ever been done before but people don't usually sign their name to the threat.

My answer . . . Give it your best shot, Bozo, and be prepared to eat your words.

If I was really going to hurt someone, I certainly wouldn't send them a telegraph about it.

OTOH . . . people with loose lips make for a good campaign ad. All that spittle, foam and bulging veins look great on digital TV these days.

#53 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

I did not know that. Interesting stuff. Let's see how much traction he gets.

#53 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

I did not know that. Interesting stuff. Let's see how much traction he gets.

ANDY

What a Movement Looks Like
by (Rep.) Alan Grayson

Yesterday, I was on the "floor" of the House, where the House members vote. We now have over 80 for the Medicare You Can Buy Into Act, HR 4789. This three-and-a-half page bill says that anyone can buy Medicare at cost. It's the simplest public option you can imagine. You want it, you buy it, you got it.

What I'm finding on the floor is very interesting. I'm witnessing the impact of People Power. Walking around with a bill is how we sign up new supporters. I have a few advantages when I do this. One, I can hand out copies of our legislation, because it's short. Two, I can explain our legislation clearly, because it's so simple. Three, members want to talk to me. Because they have heard from you.

So what you and I are doing, together, is working.

Simplicity. People power. Principles. A movement.

It may feel small now, up against the lobbyists and the crooks. But Members of Congress are noticing. Insurance companies are noticing. The Federal Reserve and the big banks are noticing. And the media is noticing.

And we're growing. - (end of quote)

56 Deth,
That was actually really funny.

42 Yav,
I am totally pissed! I literally just spent 15 mins composing a thoughtful post, and LOST IT with the click of a button!! Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

The (abridged) crux was that politics is a rotten scum swamp - L, R, and center. We could go tit for tat indefinitely with examples...

"Cold Cash" Jefferson, Ted "my wife handles the finances" Stevens, Chris "I had no idea that I was getting a break on my mortgage" Dodd; Mary Landrieu with the failed LA Purchase, and the legislative-earmark-for-
donation scam in 2007??; Charlie Rangel (comment unnecessary on this idiot); the indictments of last THREE consecutive Speakers of the Mass. House(!). This must be a record (my disgustingly liberal, going broke, home state); state Sen. Dianne Wilkerson (MA) videoed stuffing cash into her fat, living off the taxpayers bra... etc, etc.

Point is that it all stinks, as does this govt takeover bill. Yea - this will make "healthcare" delivery cheaper and more efficient, right?? That is an out-and-out lie. You know it. We ALL do.

Don't know about you - but I am a small business owner/operator... and when it's all said and done I pay OVER 50% of my income back to the f-ing govt, so that they can steal, waste and hand out about 45% of it to bullshit programs, people, and causes. I'm fed up with it, and I sure as shit don't want these hacks jumping even deeper into my pockets. Get the hell out of my life.

And you cannot tell us that you are feeling good about the parliamentary, perhaps unconstitutional hoops the Dems are jumping through to make this happen, in spite of the overwhelming majority of voters who reject the idea.

JM

Forget the GOP had 6 solid years to address the first thing about health insurance reform?

#44 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-03-19 11:45 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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ding, ding, ding... and we have a winner

AU - The Republican Party was never concerned with health reform.

Only when the Democrat Party makes health care a signature issue do the Republicans propose solutions, which are 'better'.

#47 | Posted by andyuhenet at 2010-03-19 11:59 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Correct you are... If the Repubs were concerned with the wellbeing of people they would have done something years ago instead of squandering our money on an endless war with no plans to exit.

Seems like if this vote fails the Greyson thing is a pretty good fallback. Why not have the option of buying into Medicare, maybe it would be solvent again.

HA.
Coburn can do nothing, he knows it, all the tightie-rightie's on DR no it.

Much ado about nothing. Can you imagine the offices of any Congressional Dem? "Oh, Coburn is threatening us! We'd better call him and beg forgiveness!"

Ridiculous.

Seems like if this vote fails the Greyson thing is a pretty good fallback. Why not have the option of buying into Medicare, maybe it would be solvent again.

#65 | Posted by andyuhenet at 2010-03-20 10:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

Andy, show me how you can get medicare/medicaid solvent on 2.9 percent of US income.

Just the numbers, Andy. Just the numbers.

I'm interested to check your math.

If anyone else wants to help Andy out feel free.

Changing your vote makes you corrupt???
Coburn should be censured for this, threatening people is not a reasonable way to argue your case.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2010

of course not but here is what gop and WE here are saying...

next november when some worthless dem tries to tell 'his people' ..well I didnt vote FOR the senate bill..I voted for the rule change..we will KNOW he is lying sack of shit and call him out as just that

and ALSO...if they get it passed with 217 some dem can tell 'his people'..well even if I didnt vote for it, it would have still passed..we will ALl call them the lying dogs they are..

its called a representative in a representative republic being held accountable..and DEMS DONT LIKE THAT SHIT AT ALL....

its called a representative in a representative republic being held accountable..and DEMS DONT LIKE THAT SHIT AT ALL....

Oh bullshit.

This is the major problem with politics today.

Retards that are so blinded by party affiliation that they make ridiculous statements like this.

And don't understand why they're called retards and ridiculous.

yeah right..thats why this deem and scheme thing was brought up in the first place..cause dems are so TRANSPARENT..

yeah right..and I look toward the poll out yesterday..something like only 60 something per cent said throw all the bastards out..
thats a little low dont you think?
or can you make a declarative sentence without all of the rubbish?

I'm sure there are threats coming from the other side for any dem who switches to NO. [such as no campaign funds, etc.]

yeah right..and I look toward the poll out yesterday..something like only 60 something per cent said throw all the bastards out..

Isn't this a relatively constant sentiment? Congressional approval is almost ALWAYS on the floor.

Yet incumbents continually win re-election. I wonder why?

thats a little low dont you think?
or can you make a declarative sentence without all of the rubbish?

Yeah, it is low.

However, you're the last person to accuse anyone else of posting rubbish.

I voted AGAINST Obama, I didn't vote FOR Bush.

Considering Obama never ran against Bush doesn't reinforce your arguement.

Trading your vote makes you corrupt!
Selling your vote makes you corrupt!

Tom DeLay bribed Rep. Nick Smith to vote for the legislation, using the political future of Smith's son for leverage. DeLay was later reprimanded by the House Ethics Committee.

The leadership told Rep. Jim DeMint that they would cut off funding for his Senate race in South Carolina if he didn't vote for the bill.

The chief actuary of Medicare, Rick Foster, had scored the legislation as costing more than $500 billion. The Bush administration suppressed his report, in a move the Government Accounting Office later judged "illegal.”

Hmm...

In 2009,
Democrats controlled the White House. Good Old Barry-O was/is the President.

Democrats controlled the House. No group of Republicans could vote and cause a bill to not pass.

Democrats controlled the Senate.
No group of Republicans could vote and cause a bill to not pass.

Yet somehow it is the Republican's fault that the Democrats couldn't get it together?

Bullshit. Typical "It isn't our fault, it is someone else's fault" from the Left.

oh how soon you Rethugs forget the late night votes on the so called patriot act and the 3 am vote on the medicare rip off of the us taxpayer where arms wer twisted promises made and votes were changed.

look at the desperate hypocrisy from the right..

the bill will pass and the sun will come up tomorrow.

to coin another phrase it is morning in America ...again.

enjoy the fruits of your obstructionism.

America will get Health Care Reform in spite of you.

I will enjoy watching your heads explode. I just hope we don't all get sucked in by the vacuuum.

Sen. Coburn goes after CORRUPT Dems

There ain't enough time for them all.

Coburn's a tool

Coburn is awesome and would be elected president if he would run in 2012. But, actually ANY non-democrat will win but he would get rid off the corruption. If this bill passes tomorrow dems are sooooooo fucked

"Crap!! I forgot about Jack Abramoff!!"

- RIGHTPOLICY

All incumbents must go.

The Dems will still have a 70+ seat advantage and 59-41 Senate majority.

we shall see my friend we shall just see

I expect the Dems will lost around the same 25 seats Reagan did, since we're in similar circumstances with a recession, and the economy being the chief reason there's dissatisfaction with incumbents.

November's a long way off in political terms.

Like you said, we'll see.

lost=lose

I am proud of my senator. Glad I voted for him and will be sending him $$$$ to make sure he stays where he is.

donnerboy: "the so called patriot act"

Do you mean the same act the obama has continued rather than terminate???

* More than one out of three people (36.3 percent) in Oklahoma under the age of 65 went without health insurance for all or part of the two-year period 2007-2008.
* Of the 1.1 million uninsured Oklahomans, three-quarters (75.2 percent) went without health coverage for six months or longer during this period.
* Most uninsured Oklahomans (79.3 percent) are members of working families.
* The remaining 20.7 percent of uninsured Oklahomans who were not working were either actively searching for employment or were not in the labor force because they were disabled, chronically ill, family caregivers, or not looking for employment for other reasons.

Oklahoma only has 3.6 million residents.

Pretty deplorable statistics. Tom Coburn could care less.

You Liberals are purposefully misrepresenting what Coburn is doing. It's one thing to change your vote out of principle, but it's different if you change yur vote because of a corrupt backroom deal. All Coburn is saying is that those corrupt Dems who change their vote, not out of principle, but because they are corrupt may not get what was promised to them and they'll have to defend their corruption in November.

#22 | POSTED BY MITCH

That is assuming you have inside knowledge of so called bribery and corruption. You don't.

* More than one out of three people (36.3 percent) in Oklahoma under the age of 65 went without health insurance for all or part of the two-year period 2007-2008.
* Of the 1.1 million uninsured Oklahomans, three-quarters (75.2 percent) went without health coverage for six months or longer during this period.
* Most uninsured Oklahomans (79.3 percent) are members of working families.
* The remaining 20.7 percent of uninsured Oklahomans who were not working were either actively searching for employment or were not in the labor force because they were disabled, chronically ill, family caregivers, or not looking for employment for other reasons.
www.online-health- insurance.com
This is acceptable to you?

#88 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

holy crap.. don't throw FACTS out there for the retarded monkeys to chew on..it will only cause their brains to spasm and start spouting ..

Nobama, this bill is horrible, dems are evil.

blah blah blah.

The party of piss away money and have nothing to show for it..Go repukes.

Does anybody seriously think that their premiums will go down, access to care will go up, waiting times will go down, the deficit will be reduced and taxes and fees will not be increased when we add 24 million illegal aliens who don't even pay in on taxes, and 6 million or so that won't buy insurance even at gun point?

And do not reply with that tired slippery slope argument it sounds stupid

Does anybody seriously think that their premiums will go down, access to care will go up, waiting times will go down, the deficit will be reduced and taxes and fees will not be increased when we add 24 million illegal aliens who don't even pay in on taxes, and 6 million or so that won't buy insurance even at gun point?

And do not reply with that tired slippery slope argument it sounds stupid

Posted by RIGHTPOLICY

Illegal aliens are specifically barred from entering the new system.

Just another right wing meme debunked long ago.

If this bill made sense at all it would pass with none of this bullshit.It's really that simple.

Does anybody seriously think that their premiums will go down, access to care will go up, waiting times will go down, the deficit will be reduced and taxes and fees will not be increased when we add 24 million illegal aliens who don't even pay in on taxes, and 6 million or so that won't buy insurance even at gun point?

Why focus on the illegals and young people who don't buy insurance? Why not the other millions of people who don't have insurance for various reasons but do WANT it?

To answer your question-no, I don't expect it to decrease premiums and such while also making health care more available.

That'd be having my cake and eating it too.

GOP= Greedy Obstructionist Pussies

Get the hell out of my life.

But if my store catches fire, or I'm getting mugged, or I don't want to walk to work through the mud, and would like to drive on pavement or there's a terrorist nearby, please help me mommy. Oh yeah, if you want to pretend some guy half a world away is gonna nuke me or turn me into a muslim, you've got my blessing to borrow money from my grandchildren. And by the way, I'm a conservative and a guy, so if you think it's right to send a bureaucrat nto the doctor's office with a woman so she doesn't get any constitutionally legal medical care, I'm with you.

If this bill made sense at all it would pass with none of this bullshit.It's really that simple.

#94 | Posted by blake914 at 2010-03-20 06:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Reality FLAG.

#88 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-03-20 05:31 PM |

Proof that there are lies, damned lies and statistics.

Oklahoma has a progressive system to get employers to purchase insurance for their employees. I really like the facts that you throw around that a certain number were unemployed for "all or part of a two year period" meaning that the remainder were insured and that part of those were or became insured during the same period. of the 36% one in five (7 %) was under employed...chronically ill...etc and did not have insurance. WAH! Less than the unemployment rate does not have health insurance. Oh Damn! Too fucking bad!

A_CITIZEN, those are the statistics. Sorry.

From Oklahoma Insurance Commissioner:

"The number of Oklahomans without health insurance is continuing to rise according to the American Community Survey. About one in five Oklahomans is now uninsured. Only Texas and Nevada had higher uninsured rates last year."

This is becoming way too typical for Republicans. Being good for the job is irrelevant. Republicans will punish you if you disagree with them on anything. How dare you say 'yes'!

American,

the part I am giving you crap avbout is the "all or part of" portion of the stat.

In otherwords, if I was uninsured for ONE DAY, I count in that statistic. Such a fluid number is pretty meaningless.

Since I am not racist, I could give a shit less about the racial make up of those who may have been uninsured for a period of one day or more during a two year period.

Fine. Then use the 20% figure - 1 out of 5 - if that floats your boat. Only 2 states have a higher rate of uninsured, TX and NV.

Guess we shouldn't do anything about it, huh?

MITCH:
they wouldn't have to threatened to coerce people

I'd like to put a computer chip in everybody who says "Stay the fuck out of my life."

So it can be scanned everytime one of them shows up at an emergency room. Or applies for unemployment insurance. Or needs the Jaws of Life after an automobile accident. Or needs Air Rescue to get his kid to a burn center. Or tries to put their mother into a HUD assisted living facility.

Etc., etc.

Actually, we'd like nothing better than to "stay the fuck out of your life" because, when you get to the end of your rope, it gets too damn expensive when YOU won't stay the fuck out of ours.

Democratic Thugs at it again:

"A Democrat who has long committed to opposing healthcare reform legislation has advised his fellow defectors that they should vote no early on Sunday and then immediately leave the House chamber.

Otherwise, Rep. Gene Taylor (D-Miss.) told The Hill, they will be treated “like a piñata.” …"

So the Pelosi thugocracy continues to threaten people who vote their constituent/conscience/ political life, rather than respecting their allegedly well-informed choice.

You Liberals are purposefully misrepresenting what Coburn is doing. It's one thing to change your vote out of principle, but it's different if you change yur vote because of a corrupt backroom deal. All Coburn is saying is that those corrupt Dems who change their vote, not out of principle, but because they are corrupt may not get what was promised to them and they'll have to defend their corruption in November.
#22 | POSTED BY MITCH
That is assuming you have inside knowledge of so called bribery and corruption. You don't.

#90 | POSTED BY LEGIO AT 2010-03-20 06:02 PM

Ditto.

How is this news? Obama threatened Dems who voted no. Seriously. Cover both sides.