Suit: Pfizer Worker Claims Virus Exposure

"been intermittently paralyzed"

Ummm....I DOUBT IT.

"suspicion of multiple sclerosis"

There's a test for that, chumly.

#1 prey

You doubt it. Are you a doctor or nurse?

Her health care practictioner and she made it all up. Talk about a conspiracy theory.

Why do you 'doubt it'. Because it hurts your brainless pro-establishment "sports team"?

A new 'handle' may be in your future as well.

LR, in order for you to draw any conclusions from the story, you would need to know whether the woman was actually infected. The article doesn't say. Were you too stupid to check up on that key bit or information, or are you just being dishonest again?

McClain suspects she was inadvertently exposed, through work by a former Pfizer colleague in 2002 or 2003, to an engineered form of the lentivirus

The lentivirus? Which one? It's a taxonomic group, not a specific virus. If she was infected by a given lentivirus, it would be possible to test for it and see if she is actually infected.

Her story about a malfunctioning hood doesn't make a lot of sense, though. Lentiviruses aren't particularly contagious things - they're certainly not airborne. So... maybe she vortexed something and created an infectious aerosol. If so, why haven't her co-workers shown similar symptoms? Lentiviruses don't just go away. Assuming for the sake of argument that she was infected, you would also need to know several details (what virus, alterations to its tropism, presence of foreign genetic material, etc) about the virus to account for her symptoms. If she was working with the virus, she should know these things. If you or the reporters knew what the fuck they were writing about, they would know to ask her. Unfortunately, these key details are conspicuously absent from the article.

This brings us to the million dollar question, LR: Why are you prattling on about this story despite the fact that it article leaves out every pertinent detail that a reader needs? The answer is clear. You are unwilling to let the fact that you are a stupid fuck get in the way of a good nonsensical rant. You just flung some half-ass excuse for an argument against the wall and hoped that likeminded idiots would see something redeeming in the bits that stuck. Congratulations, fuckwit. To all but the ignorant, you've made yourself look like a fool. Again.

A new 'handle' may be in your future as well.

In contrast to the countless old 'handles' of cheap vodka in your past...

#3 z
Really? Check the previous thread, moron. Liars can run, but cannot hide.

#3 z
If you or the reporters knew what the f*k they were writing about

You waste any ability you may have on your required pseudo-science conclusion toward evil. You actually show potential for being eugenicist slave trash. Too bad you decided to work for evil.

Where you err, is you think you can attack good and just because you have a little pseudo-science background, you will be trusted or believed.

Time to wake up from your fantasy delusion. The DR can see through your transparent facade right to your criminal slave bosses.

you've made yourself look like a fool.

You think you can jump threads and start attacking as if you had any credibility? Guess again, moron. DR is bright enough to decipher who is real and who is the fake.

www.drudge.com

Sounds like the same denial as when presented with all the vaccine cases of GBS/auto-immune diseases. Can't be the vaccine (because that's what your bosses say) even when the insert warns as well as plenty of reports had warned before the vaccine was ever delivered.

Based on track record, absurd denials would also be the most likely route you would take here as well.

The DR can see through your transparent facade right to your criminal slave bosses...Guess again, moron. DR is bright enough to decipher who is real and who is the fake.

Isn't there some sort of stage system set up to measure the level of conspiracy delusion (like the 5 stages of grief)?

If so, where does 'belief that one's rantings are mainstream' fall?

So much fail on this one, LR.

Too tired to address it (or the eugenics one) at the moment.

Will definitely be bitch slapping yo' ass in the morning.

Time to wake up from your fantasy delusion.
You think you can jump threads and start attacking as if you had any credibility? Guess again, moron. DR is bright enough to decipher who is real and who is the fake.

Indeed. We should make a bet. Let's chose someone we both find trustworthy (I propose some older honest posters like HC, Sully, LeeAt) to hold 1000 quid from each of us. We can make a poll on the DR for who we believe knows more about genetics (or really, anything), you or ZH.

You win, you're a grand up. I win, a charity of ZH's choice gets $1000 (so long as that charity isn't the Green and Gold Fund to Buy Frank Ribery's Contract).

Deal?

Don't sweat a non-reply too much; you won't be the first big-mouth to fall suddenly silent when called out on your bullshit.

As usual when there is the most vitriol from the shills, something about the story has seriously hurt. It's just a matter of figuring out which angle of the story that it is that they must distract attention.

How odd that we are talking nonchalantly about another AIDS-developing virus in a laboratory. If I recall correctly, they have denied this as "conspiracy shit" in the past. It's a little tough at this point to delude the DR on the issue.

Absurd denial mixed in with pseudo-science when they perceive that the DR probably wouldn't know any better.

Get ready for more ad hominem attacks, DR:

CNN: Nigeria Outbreak Linked to Vaccination

aids

As usual when there is the most vitriol from the shills, something about the story has seriously hurt. It's just a matter of figuring out which angle of the story that it is that they must distract attention.

How odd that we are talking nonchalantly about another AIDS-developing virus in a laboratory. If I recall correctly, they have denied this as "conspiracy shit" in the past. It's a little tough at this point to delude the DR on the issue.

Absurd denial mixed in with pseudo-science when they perceive that the DR probably wouldn't know any better.

Get ready for more ad hominem attacks, DR:

CNN: Nigeria Outbreak Linked to Vaccination

aids

When Brent Leung started showcasing his groundbreaking new documentary film about AIDS, "House of Numbers" he had no way to comprehend the wave of defamatory attacks that would be unleashed against him. Promoters of conventional AIDS theories (with all their vaccines and pharmaceuticals) have gone on a rampage against Leung, calling him an "AIDS denialist" -- with an obvious invocation of the similar-sounding "Holocaust denialist" phrase.

The implication, of course, is that if you deny any part of conventional AIDS theories, you're as bad as a Nazi war criminal. It's a curious comparison, especially given that the origins of the modern pharmaceutical industry are found precisely in the Nazi regime where pharmaceutical scientists routinely conducted medical experiments on Jewish prisoners. As a fascinating matter of historical fact, the Chairman of Bayer in the 1950's (yes, the same Bayer that makes Bayer Aspirin) was Dr. Fritz ter Meer, a convicted war criminal, who after committing crimes against humanity was sentenced to seven years in prison at the Nuremberg war trials.

The pharmaceutical industry operating today is largely a cabal of unindicted criminals who are guilty of crimes against humanity, and one of their favorite methods of multiplying their profits is to push a disease, then sell a vaccine they claim "treats" the disease. It's the same old scam, whether we're talking about cervical cancer, swine flu or even AIDS.

Getting back to Brent Leung and his film House of Numbers, when the AIDS-pharma promoters saw his film, they knew they had to attack the messenger and try to discredit him as quickly as possible. So they claimed Leung quoted the scientists in the film out of context, thereby distorting what they were saying. In particular, Leung was attacked for his interview with Dr. Luc Montagnier, the Nobel Prize-winning co-discoverer of the AIDS virus, who explained to Leung during the interview that AIDS can be overcome (cured) with nutrition, and that the vaccine approach is entirely overblown.

Such an idea, of course, spells financial doom for drug companies and their cohorts, all of whom profit from the oft-repeated myth that "AIDS has no cure" and that only drugs can treat AIDS. So the critics went after Leung for daring to include Montagnier's words in his documentary.

#9 blusk
We should make a bet.... Don't sweat a non-reply too much; you won't be the first big-mouth to fall suddenly silent

Interesting idea. Of course one who's whole existence on the DR is to delude with pseudo-science would have nothing to gain from agreeing to any DR objective truth-finding mission.

#9 blusky
We can make a poll on the DR for who we believe knows more about genetics

Two fatal flaw in your suggestion: My point has been all along that it would useless to be an expert in genetics and then use that expertise for the furthering the hundred years of eugenicicsts utopian society. Second, I only recognize one of the three DR profiles you mentioned. Sully would be a very poor choice of an objective viewpoint as one who has expressed complete inability at independent thought which must be the #1 requirement for this objective mission.

#9 blusk
We should make a bet.... Don't sweat a non-reply too much; you won't be the first big-mouth to fall suddenly silent
Interesting idea. Of course one who's whole existence on the DR is to delude with pseudo-science would have nothing to gain from agreeing to any DR objective truth-finding mission.

#13 | POSTED BY L_RCONTRARIAN

#9 blusky
We can make a poll on the DR for who we believe knows more about genetics
Two fatal flaw in your suggestion: My point has been all along that it would useless to be an expert in genetics and then use that expertise for the furthering the hundred years of eugenicicsts utopian society. Second, I only recognize one of the three DR profiles you mentioned. Sully would be a very poor choice of an objective viewpoint as one who has expressed complete inability at independent thought which must be the #1 requirement for this objective mission.

#14 | POSTED BY L_RCONTRARIAN

Dance bitch! DANCE!

What's wrong, is the deck not stacked enough in your favor?

fatal flaw in your suggestion

Damned right. It is destined to kill the last vestige of the imaginary intellectual superiority you're infected with. A Saulkian "reality vaccine" if you will....

I'll take your tapdancing as a "no".

No biggie. You're neither the first nor the loudest of morons to back away from your once lofty confidence; can't say I'm surprised you'd refuse.

Actually on topic-

Absent any sort of hard evidence that she was in fact infected, I find it hard to believe that this case will get much further (I also think it will be bullshit if it does).

en.wikipedia.org

There's a limited number of lentiviruses that could have been in use. Simple serology could be conducted to determine whether or not she has been exposed to any of them.

That seems like a simple, and crucial, point that for some reason she hasn't addressed.

Second-gene therapy trials with these sorts of vectors have shown two major problems so far-1. cancer induction due to the random insertion of the viral genome and 2. in efficient delivery of the gene of interest.

Yet she wants us to believe that in her case, it was efficient enough to cause a potassium channeling dysfunction severe enough to cause whole body paralysis?

Either she has some damn good evidence that isn't in the article or she doesn't and this is likely a money grab.

Finally-the interest groups that are jumping on this as some sort of proof of the lack of unsafe conditions for working with these sorts of viruses are being a little overzealous.

HIV (a lentivirus) research is conducted in a bio-safety level 2 facility, meaning all work with the virus must be conducted in the hood mentioned in the article. Most labs use what's called bio-safety level 2.5, where disposable gowns and double gloves are added as extra precautions due to the nature of HIV infection and its outcome. Nothing more than this is required since the viruses are unstable on surfaces, are easily neutralized by bleach and detergents and can't be transmitted in airborne droplets.

It sounds like this is what is in place at Pfizer.

Pfizer has responded that any lentivirus studied in lab areas where McClain was present was not derived from a human infectious virus and was not infectious because it lacked genes for replication.

This is a little dishonest on Pfizer's part though, as non-human viruses are used to insert genes into human cells in culture quite frequently (it's called transduction) and the replicative capacity is not required for the virus to actually infect an individual. It won't propagate, but it will infect.

If her claims of sloppy working habits are also true, then Pfizer does bear the responsibility for that as well (regardless of whether she was actually infected), as it is entirely up to them to ensure that their employees are handling infectious material properly.

But IMO this case is hardly an example of what they claim is evidence that risks caused by cutting-edge genetic manipulation have outstripped more slowly evolving government regulation of laboratories. In place procedures are more than sufficient. Idiot researchers? That's a different question.

You waste any ability you may have on your required pseudo-science conclusion toward evil.

So immunology, virology, molecular biology and biochemistry are pseudo-science? What would you have them replaced with, bullshitology?

We can make a poll on the DR for who we believe knows more about genetics (or really, anything), you or ZH.

Let's do it.

Hell, forget about the money. Just start the poll and grab the popcorn. LR will probably start mini-stroking in his zeal to rationalize the beating he'd probably take.

As usual when there is the most vitriol from the shills, something about the story has seriously hurt. It's just a matter of figuring out which angle of the story that it is that they must distract attention.

It's rather pathetic that you call other's shills while your sole measure of the validity of the article is how other people react to it, not the strength of the information and how it fits in the broader picture.

There is no angle to this. Based on what the article states, I have serious doubts as to her claim. Could she have more info that isn't included, absolutely. It states no one is talking to the press about this suit.

But absent that extra info, this thing stinks.

How odd that we are talking nonchalantly about another AIDS-developing virus in a laboratory.

Who said anything about AIDS-developing viruses? When one used lentivirus vectors, you're gutting the genome of all but a few features. It is by no means a viable virus anymore.

As stated, they don't even replicate because they lack the structural proteins to form the actual viruses, let alone everything else required.

www.clontech.com

There's a pdf of one of the available lentiviral systems one can use in the lab. I'll gladly answer any and all questions pertaining to it.

If I recall correctly, they have denied this as "conspiracy shit" in the past. It's a little tough at this point to delude the DR on the issue.

It's denied that HIV or a comparable virus could be developed FROM SCRATCH as a form of biowarfare. This is taking an existing virus and utilizing it as a research tool.

Big difference.

Absurd denial mixed in with pseudo-science when they perceive that the DR probably wouldn't know any better.
Get ready for more ad hominem attacks, DR:

It's not absurd denial when the denial is based on facts and reality. You know, as in based on actual knowledge of the subject...

What's truly absurd is your willingness to believe anyone and anything so long as it fits your delusions. Reality be damned...

CNN: Nigeria Outbreak Linked to Vaccination

This is a well known and characterized potential outcome when using the live poliovirus vaccine. However, the real problem is stated in the first paragraph of your article:

A northern state in Nigeria that is at the
heart of a spreading polio outbreak said Sunday that it would not
relent on its boycott of a mass vaccination program, which it has
called a U.S. plot to spread AIDS and infertility among Muslims.

Superstition and ignorance are your real culprits here.

aids

Haven't read all that yet.

Will probably be as rife with errors and innuendo for the entirety of it as I've seen so far.

She said she began suffering from "fatigue, suspicion of multiple sclerosis, joint pain, and numbness in her face as well as sleep difficulties"

Those are just the normal side effects of every drug approved by the FDA lately.
My favorite is the anti-depressant drugs with a side effect of suicide.

FDA: You guys finish those clinical trials yet?
PHARMA: Yeah. Turns out this drug does exactly the opposite of what we intended.
FDA: Hmmm. Maybe we shouldn't approve it then?
PHARMA: That will negatively impact our quarterly earnings and revenue projections for the fiscal year.
FDA: Oh, well we can't have that. Tell you what, just put a warning label on it, may cause death or blindness or whatever.
PHARMA: Great idea! Your commitment to the public safety is commendable. We'll save a seat on the Board for you.

This thread supports my theory that racist white
people created AIDS to kill persons of color, women,
the disenfranchised and members of the gay and
transgendered community.

Best of luck with the lawsuit - you go girl!

[we would be better off if this evil, greedy, wealthy
big pharma went bankrupt!]

Be Well.

1 prey

You doubt it. Are you a doctor or nurse?

Her health care practictioner and she made it all up. Talk about a conspiracy theory.

Why do you 'doubt it'. Because it hurts your brainless pro-establishment "sports team"?

A new 'handle' may be in your future as well.

#2 | Posted by L_RContrarian

Another bogus frivolous lawsuit---wish we had the English system of loser pays---you'd see a lot of this kind of B.S. end---people like this cost all of us in the long run.

vA northern state in Nigeria that is at the
heart of a spreading polio outbreak said Sunday that it would not
relent on its boycott of a mass vaccination program, which it has
called a U.S. plot to spread AIDS and infertility among Muslims.

#19 | Posted by jpw

A new way to combat the terrorists?

Second-gene therapy trials with these sorts of vectors have shown two major problems so far-1. cancer induction due to the random insertion of the viral genome and 2. in efficient delivery of the gene of interest.

I doubt they're developing them for gene therapy over at Pfizer. The article mentioned something about stem cells. Lentiviral vectors are still being used to transduce mesenchymal stem cells (and embryonic ones too, I think). Insertional mutagenesis isn't as much of an issue, and you can select for the cells that were transduced. If I had to guess, they were using viral vectors to tinker with the stem cells and optimize their therapeutic properties.

You win, you're a grand up. I win, a charity of ZH's choice gets $1000 (so long as that charity isn't the Green and Gold Fund to Buy Frank Ribery's Contract).

Hahahaha you do cover your bases...

#3 | Posted by zombiehunter

Zombie, good post---I could type for hours debunking this suit but I'd have to be treated for CTS.

Yet she wants us to believe that in her case, it was efficient enough to cause a potassium channeling dysfunction severe enough to cause whole body paralysis?

Hey, that's intermittent, reversible whole-body paralysis. Go sun yourself, you vax-apparachik shill ad hominem eugenecist reptile!

I could type for hours debunking this suit but I'd have to be treated for CTS.

I know how you feel. It's possible to go on at length deconstructing every silly aspect of LR's conspiracy theories, but you know what they say about repetitive hand motions. I try to cut to the chase, and always interject a bit of colorful commentary. In the end, no amount of rational counterargument or public humiliation will impact stupidity of this caliber:

This thread supports my theory that racist white
people created AIDS to kill persons of color, women,
the disenfranchised and members of the gay and
transgendered community.
-Skip Wellington

All you can strive for to make an example out of his stupidity so that others are more likely to recognize it in the future (not that it's particularly difficult). But, matsop, you gotta take your hat off to JPW - he's got has more patience and experience than me, and actually goes to the trouble to explain a lot of pertinent details. All with less profanity... that is quite a feat.

Yet she wants us to believe that in her case, it was efficient enough to cause a potassium channeling dysfunction severe enough to cause whole body paralysis?

Hey, that's intermittent, reversible whole-body paralysis. Go sun yourself, you vax-apparachik shill ad hominem eugenecist reptile!

#27 | Posted by ZombieHunter

The first question is whether she has "periodic paralysis"---all her symptoms are subjective and I'll bet her blood panels and other tests are completely normal. All "periodic paralysis" cases belong to a family of genetic disorders---most are inherited and some aren't--if she even has it and has the inherited form, she'll have family members with it---furthermore, most people with this condition show it when as youngsters or young adults---got the feeling this lady is older and if the symptoms suddenly showed you know the possiblity is decreased even further for the nonherited type---you would then have to rule out the etiologies which could be hypokalemic, hyperkalemic, thyroid, etc. Most are easily treated based on etiology. I have never seen a case reported secondary to an exogenous cause---once again they're genetic and therfore her attorney and claimant linking it to a virus are crazy---I have a feeling this woman had her sorry rearend canned due to her being a lousy employee (discipline system)and she's looking for a way out for her pathetic job performance. Dealt with similar situations and once had a case similar to this where I walked Medtronics through it---their safety procedures were amazing and a dismissed employee filed a suit for an alleged exposure. Your comment about whether other employees had similar complaints is one of the first things you look into as it relates to on the job exposures

A new way to combat the terrorists?

#23 | Posted by matsop

Unfortunately polio is too ineffecient for that.

Didn't they have an outbreak of plague in one of their training camps?

#30 | Posted by jpw

I believe it was Algeria about a year ago---can be treated.

I doubt they're developing them for gene therapy over at Pfizer.

Really? It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Pfizer was working on gene therapy.

The article mentioned something about stem cells. Lentiviral vectors are still being used to transduce mesenchymal stem cells (and embryonic ones too, I think). Insertional mutagenesis isn't as much of an issue, and you can select for the cells that were transduced. If I had to guess, they were using viral vectors to tinker with the stem cells and optimize their therapeutic properties.

I figured it was for research use.

I was just pointing out that the few instances where these things have been intentionally introduced into a human body they behaved erratically and poorly.

Except in her case...

Which is why her claim is likely BS (amongst other things...).

But, matsop, you gotta take your hat off to JPW

*bows*

All "periodic paralysis" cases belong to a family of genetic disorders

I figured this was the case but am too unfamiliar with genetic disorders to know for sure.

I see my suspicion was correct.

I believe it was Algeria about a year ago---can be treated.

With proper access to antibiotics. Which, do they have in Algeria?

I think the local's preferred method is better though-one 7.62mm in the morning. All gone by noon.

believe it was Algeria about a year ago---can be treated.

With proper access to antibiotics. Which, do they have in Algeria?

I think the local's preferred method is better though-one 7.62mm in the morning. All gone by noon.

#33 | Posted by jpw

From what I understand these folks are constantly on the move and they often don't even carry basic medical supplies.

Either she has some damn good evidence that isn't in the article or she doesn't and this is likely a money grab.

Pretty much THIS.

That noted, the charges here are potentially incendiary and actual proof is provided in the future, if Pfizer did, in fact, fire a whistle blower infected due to poor containment procedures there will be an out of court settlement or civil suit in Pfizer's future.

Be Well.

the charges here are potentially incendiary

This is where the science stops and the marketing takes over.

Pfizer has to been darn sure they can win the battle of the expert witnesses in a way that doesn't damage their marketing efforts more than a settlement will cost.

I've watched plaintiff "expert witnesses" in the past and many of these people make big bucks in these suits and often are not "experts" in the field ----another suit in this great casino that America has become---these kind of people, investment bankers and overpaid executives make me ill---we all jump on the Bernie Madoffs but these people and their ilk are no better---they just steal "legally".

Hmmmm LR got pretty quiet all of a sudden...

#38 | Posted by jpw

On this one he should. jpw, i got into my factual overdrive personality on this one---see "the cons ridicule---post #97.

On this one he should. jpw, i got into my factual overdrive personality on this one---see "the cons ridicule---post #97.

LOL good. It's nice to have someone else with another perspective bringing facts and reason to "debates" with LR.

I hope you didn't take the "intelligent things" post offensively. None was went.