The Republican Party is now the Frivolous Lawsuit Party.

Talk about an identity crisis!!!

Keep trying Idaho. Your spuds are tasty but you'll never out-crazy Texas.

Revoke Nanc's Indian care and then we can begin a discussion.

Couer de Lane needs all the friggin' health care they can get. Too bad SpokaneChump is on vacation, I'm sure he crosses the border to drain his spleen.

Jackass,

Be nice to Nanc. Her husband is still without coverage. If she ever rolls over on him in bed and squashes him seriously, they'll be in deep trouble financially when the hospital bills come due.

I can't rip on her Indian Care since I recently had my health insurance problems partially solved by a little known federal program passed by the Republicans several years ago. Thanks guys!!!

Frakking Idaho!

Look, Spud has never been a fan of the mandated insurance provision of the HC reform bills particularly w/o single payer but let's get real. They are not subject to criminal prosecution or sanctions and are prolly necessary to incentivize the program at least from the get-go.

The very idea that Rethug pols in a federal teat sucking state like Idaho are gonna stand up declare independence from the Fed is frakkin' hilarious.

The people who created this law may well be bright enuff to know that it won't stand up to even a cursary challenge but they are also bright enuff to know there meth-addled constituents aren't bright enuff to figure that out too quickly.

Be Well.

Are you fucking clowsn in Lansing paying attention? This year in Michigan we have a governatorial election, as well as the entiere legislature running for election/re election. We will be paying attention to your stance on this issue.

Does that include Medicare?

Seems to me that is the Fed Govt forcing people to buy health insurance.

If anyone should be suing, it's Massachusetts. Why should their people have to pay state taxes to cover their own uninsured, and pay higher federal taxes to cover Idaho's and California's?

The very idea that Rethug pols in a federal teat sucking state like Idaho are gonna stand up declare independence from the Fed is frakkin' hilarious. The people who created this law may well be bright enuff to know that it won't stand up to even a cursary challenge but they are also bright enuff to know there meth-addled constituents aren't bright enuff to figure that out too quickly.

Is it? Like when Oregon passed the death with dignity law that still stands. Or all of the states with medical marijuana laws that defy federal laws? And "meth-addled constituents"? Have you spent some in Idaho tater or did you learn about it in Wikipedia? And if you did go there, what were you doing hanging out with chickenheads?

I applaud Idaho and here in Oregon, we already have a growing socialized health care system. It is a pill much easier to swallow at the state level. And likely more efficient too!

There are over 30 states following suit. Fix what is broken - there are enough programs available to the majority of people without coverage. There is some underlying motives in this bill that has NOTHING to do with healthcare.

'Revoke Nanc's Indian care and then we can begin a discussion.'

The tribal health care up here is basically just one big drug dispensary. And if your tribal you can forget getting that tooth fixed, they'll just pull it. IHS is a great place to look to see faults in socialized health care. Pretty lousy. But hey, as long as the Indians get an endless supply of free Lortab, they don't give a fuck.

P.S. Just sitting around being a leftist progressive isn't going to get this agenda passed - we are on to y'all.

Have you spent some in Idaho tater or did you learn about it in Wikipedia?

Yer asking a potato if he's ever spent time in Idaho?

Lawls!

Be Well.

#11 | Posted by wurster - people with a sense of entitlement will always take advantage of what is offered for free. We have native American healthcare AVAILABLE to us, but do not use it as a dispensary. My husband has h/c through his new employer.

#13 | Posted by dethspud

Idaho?

I always had you pegged as a racist and thus you were a "red-skin".

Russet would have been my second guess, but I can't see you hosting Meet The Press.

Idaho gets their seed potatoes from MT.

If they pass it by reconciliation, the lawsuits will have very strong grounding. The Supreme Dorks decided in 1998 that a bill must be the same in both houses before it can become law. What Pellosi is doing is lunacy.

Yer asking a potato if he's ever spent time in Idaho?

And what you have taken away from your visits are that all Idahoans are chickenheads. That would be like if I went to Canada and discovered you all were French. Myopic..

The war has just begun. Obama has his council of governors and much control over State National guards.

If governors begin to pass legislation nullifying federal mandates, they will be considered a threat thus a "high value detainee OR a generalized threat classified under "such other matters as the President considers appropriate". It would only take one removal of a 'GM CEO' to make the point.

Sounds kinda like this movement to leave the Union and the Montana effort to maintain no speed limits on their roads. They may technically win but the feds simply pull funding from key areas such highways in Montana until the state complies. I imagine in this case the feds could pull welfare/medicaid/medicare and other related funding until the state is brought to its knees. While me may have begun as individual states united under a union, over the years we have become increasingly dependent on the fed and other state gov'ts.

Idaho is known for many things, being progressive is not one of them.

I hope this bill passes as is with the vote-no-vote procedure! The democratic party will go down with these Marxists in a burning ring of fire, which will cleanse the party. Meanwhile, they will be out of power for the next few generations while we rebulid our economy. There is such a thing as state's rights, oh and that pesky constitution they forgot about...great political theatre I must admit. MSNBC is actually fun to watch now. Go Idaho!

"It is a pill much easier to swallow at the state level.
#9 | Posted by jsprague"

Why do you say that?

(By the way, OHP is not even close to sufficient. There are many, many otherwise eligible residents who cannot get the coverage because it is underfunded.)

oh and that pesky constitution they forgot about

You mean that thing that's "Just a piece of paper"

Umm, that quote wasn't from a democrat.

"Umm, that quote wasn't from a democrat."

Yes it was.
A guy named Doug Thompson wrote it in a story for a notoriously liberal site which took it off because it was not true.

Sounds kinda like this movement to leave the Union and the Montana effort to maintain no speed limits on their roads. They may technically win but the feds simply pull funding from key areas such highways in Montana until the state complies. I imagine in this case the feds could pull welfare/medicaid/medicare and other related funding until the state is brought to its knees. While me may have begun as individual states united under a union, over the years we have become increasingly dependent on the fed and other state gov'ts.

#20 | POSTED BY RICHARDSPIRIT

you hit the nail on the head. Don't want federal law, don't get federal money..see how long that lasts.

#22 | POSTED BY RIGHTPOLICY

shut up idiot.. nothing of the sort will happen.

"They are not subject to criminal prosecution or sanctions and are prolly necessary to incentivize the program at least from the get-go.

Be Well.

#5 | Posted by dethspud"

shut up idiot.. nothing of the sort will happen.

#27 | Posted by Legio

Nice. No, really it's true, MSNBC is actually fun to watch now. Oh, that and the dems will lose the house and senate in the fall. Just keep turning a blind eye moron, it will all be over soon. Whether you like it or not, this country only runs by consent of we the people (and oh yes, it is our money). Stop listening to your poli-sci and economics professors. They are fools and you sound just like them.

"gets their seed potatoes"

The stupid is strong with this one.

I'd be more impressed if they passed a law DEMANDING that the federal government pump no more money into Idaho than the taxes taken from its citizens.

Over the last few years, they've received between $1.20 and $1.30 for every dollar they've paid.

It seems like most people want to reform insurance, so that insurers can't deny or charge exorbitant rates to those with preexisting conditions but also oppose mandatory insurance at the same time. It seems like you can't have one without the other. Otherwise, you could just buy an insurance policy after being diagnosed.

Maybe Congress should let people opt out of the proposed reform. If they don't want the insurance-or-fine system, then let them opt out of the system entirely. If they opt out, they get none of the new legal protections for pre-existing conditions for a set amount of time, maybe 7 or 10 years after opting out. If you really want to discourage people from opting out, Congress also could change bankruptcy law to make medical debt non-discharged like student loans. This might be going a little too far but why not let people opt out but also give up the new protections that come with reform?

Opt-out, like we can with Social Security? Won't happen, under equal protection and perversion of the law....

Though a good idea!

"The very idea that Rethug pols in a federal teat sucking state like Idaho are gonna stand up declare independence from the Fed is frakkin' hilarious."

Idaho is a teat sucking state?

Then maybe you would agree with me that the answer, the only fair thing to do, would be to defund the federal government and let the states handle paying for all entitlement programs on their own. That way we could teach those Idahoans how lucky they are to have a benevolent federal government looking out for their interests...

I'm from Idaho. Idahoans couldn't give a shit less about federal hand outs. You are mistaking us with people from Louisiana or New York.

"They may technically win but the feds simply pull funding from key areas such highways in Montana until the state complies. I imagine in this case the feds could pull welfare/medicaid/medicare and other related funding until the state is brought to its knees."

Then what they should do is pass a law whereby the state collects all income taxes due the federal government. If FEDGOV elects to withhold federal funding, than the state would have the option of withholding income taxes of the residents within.

Just once, I wish a POTUS would get state legislators trying to usurp the powers of the Federal government brought up on charges of treason.

Madhomber,

I LOVE the idea of the states collecting taxes and withholding from the feds when they violate the constitution. This would help re-balance the power and weaken the federal govt system.

If Idaho does that, I would have to find a job and move there.

"If Idaho does that, I would have to find a job and move there."

1lib:

Why don't you just find a job where you are?

AXE #1
Q: Guess which state's population gas grown more than any other since recession began.

Answer: Texas

Working people (many fleeing Calif as that state tanks under the weight of limitless handouts to illegals and others sucking at the taxpayers' tits) are moving there because they seriously crank down the spigot of "free" money and benefits to unproductive slugs. Tax statutes are business-friendly.

No state (see California), no country (see USA) can survive by asking (strong-arming) working people to foot ever-increasing welfare bills.

How simple does the math have to be for liberals to get this?

JM

Great news: Obama's approval numbers at all-time low (Gallup)...

Mid-term elections can't come fast enough :)

e have native American healthcare AVAILABLE to us, but do not use it as a dispensary. My husband has h/c through his new employer.

#14 | Posted by nanc at 2010-03-18 10:22 AM |

Why should you have a safety net available to you and nobody else?

Just once, I wish a POTUS would get state legislators trying to usurp the powers of the Federal government brought up on charges of treason.

#35 | Posted by MaryTylerWhore at 2010-03-18 10:15 PM | Reply | Flag

Actually, it will probably be the other way around, considering the 9th and 10th Amendment and all....

#40 - you know dayamed good and well there are more than enough FREE programs available to a multitude of people in this nation! Not everyone uses and abuses them. I've had lifetime medical on my wrists, hands and an elbow for 15 years and only used it twice - excedrin works fine and they haven't found a cure for my ailments.

you hit the nail on the head. Don't want federal law, don't get federal money..see how long that lasts.

#26 | Posted by Legio

and yes, a State's rights movement has been gaining steam in State legislatures for several years.
States could legally shred the Fed bureaucracy (including Obama-care) and re-establish agencies where the tail isn't wagging the dog

the Constitutional Powers have been there for 200 years, States merely need to assert them

IF States excercised even a portion of their powers, they could limit that Chicago crew to naming Post Offices for the remainder of their term

Why should you have a safety net available to you and nobody else?

#40 | Posted by jackass at 2010-03-18 11:45 PM

That is the xian way.

We should not sweat this. If this bill passes Idaho will be there with their hands out to get their fair share, unless they adopt a model of state's universal health care as Massachusetts has done. But that would be putting their money behind their stance. Won't happen.

Their behavior will be similar to the GOP hypocrites when they pooh-poohed the stimulus then could not wait to pose for pictures and claim their hard work porcured these funds.....laughable.

#40 - you know dayamed good and well there are more than enough FREE programs available to a multitude of people in this nation!

#42 | Posted by nanc

If that were true health care reform would not even be brought up.

If this bill passes Idaho will be there with their hands out to get their fair share, unless they adopt a model of state's universal health care as Massachusetts has done. But that would be putting their money behind their stance. Won't happen.

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No, if the bill passes, Massachusetts will shut down their program. It doesn't work there anyhow, and why pay taxes twice?

And eventually the government will run out of other people's money to spend.

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