It's an issue of sovereignty.

It's an issue of common sense.

The number of Americans currently wasting their lives in American prisons for non-violent drug crimes is shameful.

Putting Marc Emery in jail for 5 years solves nothing.

Be Well.

"Putting Marc Emery in jail for 5 years solves nothing."

It's outrageous. I don't why Canada allows DEA thugs to have offices there.

It's outrageous. I don't why Canada allows DEA thugs to have offices there.

The jackbooted thugs at the DEA actually put Emery on America's ten most wanted list at one point alongside murderous terrorists and narco-barons.

If you ever met Emery you'd figure out pretty quick that he's a peace luffin', pot smoking advocate for the reform of drug laws and not any kind of gangster or thug.

Shame on the freaking DEA and thanx fer posting, Nulli.

Be Well.

"If you ever met Emery you'd figure out pretty quick that he's a peace luffin', pot smoking advocate for the reform of drug laws and not any kind of gangster or thug."

It's a priority if I make it to Vancouver this summer and he's still free, Spud.

"It's a priority if I make it to Vancouver this summer and he's still free, Spud." - nulli

You and me both :)

Nulli and Dreamy may be coming to Vancity?

Dang, the place is still a mess from them Olympics.

Spud'll definitely have to tidy up a bit first!

Again TY fer the support of this thread.

Is kinda important.

Be Well.

Hey, the "no comment" glitch appears to have been corrected!

Huzzah!

While Spud is sorta used to seeing double on Saint Paddy's day it's usually only after a coupla shots of Bushmills and a few pints of Guiness.

Be Well.

The only reason pot was outlawed was because of whining cotton growers who didn't want hemp grown.

Hemp is a far better crop than cotton. More durable, can grow anywhere, and has more uses than practically any other crop that can be grown.

I will be in Vancouver in September. You have been warned.

Spud's in Vanc? hmmmm.

The DEA need to be stalked and put on video as much as possible. Every staff member, every agent and every attorney should be watched like a hawk for the rest of their existence. They should also have their homes haunted and suffer early dementia. Perhaps they could turn to an uncaring pharmaceutical industry for the means to ease their worried, fractured and soulless human husks? I might even advocate Xanax their office and home drinking water and prevent all that "extra work" like raiding medical marijuana dispensaries and seed retailers. Keep 'em busy planning birthdays and outrageous theme parties. They get to keep their ludicrously abused "jobs" and the marijuana issues are able to be handled responsibly without DEA muddling and SWATing.

As much as I want pot legalized, we have laws in America and we are a sovereign nation. Canada nor any other country can not interfere with out laws. So hand the guy over you asswipess!

...we are a sovereign nation...

That's Spud's point, moron.

Jesus fuck, Miatch, did you OD on stupid pills this morning or sommat?

Be Well.

Pot laws are inane.

Before I get attacked, I will say that I think the drug laws are wrong, and should be appealed. That said, what would be the position of Canada if the US refused to send a person wanted for a crime if we didn't like the Canadian law?

It's an issue of sovereignty.

Yes, it is. Canada and the US are both sovereign nations. They have agreements to extradite criminals. Failure to comply with treaties could and should have serious consequences.

It's an issue of common sense.

No, it is a matter of you (and others) not liking the law and deciding that you can ignore international laws and treaties. If Canada has laws against, I don't know, selling hand guns via the us mail, and someone in the US mailed unlicensed guns to Canada, do you think you would want him arrested and shipped up there for trial? Do you think you might be a little miffed is the US said "fuck off, people have a rights to bear arms"?

The number of Americans currently wasting their lives in American prisons for non-violent drug crimes is shameful.

I agree. And I think the laws should be changed. However, if you break the laws, you should be ready to face the punishment. Civil rights leaders went to jail for what they believed in. Christ was put on a cross.

Putting Marc Emery in jail for 5 years solves nothing.

Be Well.

#1 | Posted by dethspud

No, it doesn't. Doesn't mean his ass shouldn't be in a jail.

Emery positioned himself as an enemy of the DEA. His stated plan was to send so many seeds into America it would stifle anti-cannabis efforts. He got a lot of people sent to the nik in America when Overgrow.com was infiltrated and user information fell into the hands of the DEA. Mailing lists, incriminating photos, sales receipts were left unprotected and Emery's customers suffered. Perhaps it would have been wiser to tackle his own country's laws before taking on a foreign nation and flaunting his imaginary invulnerability on 60 Minutes?

The "Prince of Pot" is a decent source for 1970-80ish overpriced genetics. But if you want kickass genes and superior breeding skills go with Barney's Farm or Greenhouse Seeds. You can buy them out of the UK from brokers who are decret and won't sell you off to the DEA the first time they get served with a warrant.

Libertarian, not sure if you really are as stupid as you sound or if you're just trying to get a rise out of people.

comparing the selling of pot seeds (seeds, not plants or buds) to the selling / shipping guns?

Classic apples to oranges dude as well as a classic distortion attempt to prove a shaky point.

There are all sorts of ridiculous laws on the books, most of which are ignored completely and some that are taken with a large grain of salt based on the specific situation...this is one of them.

As a country don't you think we spend enough money on pointless issues as it is? The cost of incarceration alone is so out of proportion to the crime that its laughable. So what's the point?

How about we focus on the more serious issues in this country and stop worrying about the low hanging fruit like this.

The legality issue of cannabis is absurd. Imagine two substances...alcohol and weed....one legal one not, one does more harm than good, one does more good than harm...common sense says that the one that does more harm should be illegal while the one that does good isn't. Except in this case its the opposite.

And you actually support that?

Loh

The legality issue of cannabis is absurd. Imagine two substances...alcohol and weed....one legal one not, one does more harm than good, one does more good than harm...common sense says that the one that does more harm should be illegal while the one that does good isn't. Except in this case its the opposite.

#18 | Posted by Lohocla at 2010-03-19 01:52 PM

LOD haha i hear you, would hate not being able to brew my own beer, then again, i brew my own beer so...besides, I think we seen the results of that kind of attempt in the prohibition days.

Besides, the only reason cannabis is illegal was to protect someones bottom line ...ie, this shit could hurt my business, mr butt buddy lawmaker, can you do sumptin about it? why sure, for such and such amount, I'll be sure to make it illegal....and then there ya go Bobs yer uncle.!.

Was just giving an example of an apples to apples comparison for libertarian so he'd understand and not always resort to hyperbol when a thought passes through his head.

Loh

I knew someone would attack me...

Libertarian, not sure if you really are as stupid...

Good job, Loh. I can always count on DR Lefties to attack the messenger, not the message.

comparing the selling of pot seeds (seeds, not plants or buds) to the selling / shipping guns?

Let's see... shipping a legal(?) product From Canada TO the US that is illegal to own here, and shipping a product FROM the US that is legal to own here to Canada, where it is illegal. Sounds like a valid comparison.

Classic apples to oranges dude as well as a classic distortion attempt to prove a shaky point.

Sounds like a typical attack the messenger. Drugs are not legal in the US. They should be, but they are not. This guy broke the law. Just like I would be breaking the law if I decided to ship guns into Canada because I thought my personal belief was more important than the laws of Canada.

There are all sorts of ridiculous laws on the books, most of which are ignored completely and some that are taken with a large grain of salt based on the specific situation...this is one of them.

It might be taken with a grain of salt in Canada. It is not that way here. Hand gun ownership in most parts of the US is not considered a big deal here, but I believe Canada has much more stupid laws about owning the means of protecting yourself.

As a country don't you think we spend enough money on pointless issues as it is? The cost of incarceration alone is so out of proportion to the crime that its laughable. So what's the point?

Again, and again, I said the laws are WRONG. What part of change the laws didn't you understand? I don't care if you want to smoke. Not my vice, but not my problem. But if you break the law, be prepared for the consequenses.

How about we focus on the more serious issues in this country and stop worrying about the low hanging fruit like this.

Part of what makes this guy low fruit is that he brags about violating the law.

The legality issue of cannabis is absurd. Imagine two substances...alcohol and weed

Imagine 10 million. Why stop with weed? Make it legal for an adult to buy ANYTHING and put it in their body if they want. You need booze, or smokes, or meth or viagra or antibiotics, go to walmart and buy it over the counter. Make them ALL legal.

And you actually support that?

Loh

#18 | Posted by Lohocla

I support making them all legal, yes. Even though I don't chose to smoke pot, and wouldn't if it were legal. What I don't condone is breaking the law and then hiding behind someone's skirts to stay out of jail. If Canada violates this treaty, the US should retaliate in kind. Set up websites and ship anything outlawed in Canada over the border. Hell, airlift it in if required.

" Drugs are not legal in the US. They should be, but they are not. This guy broke the law."

So did Rosa Parks. What kind of craven, authority-worshipping "libertarian" are you? You ever hear of civil disobedience?

So hand the guy over you asswipess!

~Mitch

What I don't condone is breaking the law and then hiding behind someone's skirts to stay out of jail. If Canada violates this treaty, the US should retaliate in kind.

~1Libertarian

So speak the so-called Libertarians.

Pathetic.

Be Well.

"So speak the so-called Libertarians."

The only "liberty" right-libertarians/
propertarians are interested in is liberty for capital.

the only liberty propertarians are interested in is liberty for capital.

True that.

And, apparently, backing unjust authoritarian laws for no other reason than that they exist.

The DR's version of self-described Libertarians are indeed more properly referred to as "propertarians".

Or Palin-Americans, wotever.

Be Well.

The DEA budget has grown from 65 million in 1972 to 2.6 BILLION in 2009. And Obama is increasing it.

WHere's the CHANGE?

Howbout this? Give it all to some schools. You'd also save billions more from law enforcement agencies.

Fixing america isnt really that hard. But the backward assholes in charge need to hurry up and die first.

"The DEA budget has grown from 65 million in 1972 to 2.6 BILLION in 2009. And Obama is increasing it."

He doesn't have the balls to cut it and listen to the inevitable "soft on drugs" rant from rtards.

So did Rosa Parks. What kind of craven, authority-worshipping "libertarian" are you? You ever hear of civil disobedience?

#22 | Posted by nullifidian

Fuckin retard. I believe you either obey the law, or work to get it changed, or have the courage of your belief. The pot heads are all a bunch of fucking cowards. Rosa Parks was willing to take a stand, knowing that there could be dire consequences. She was willing to accept that to right a social injustice. This pussy hides in Canada, shaking in his panties.

So speak the so-called Libertarians.

Pathetic.
. . .

And, apparently, backing unjust authoritarian laws for no other reason than that they exist.

The DR's version of self-described Libertarians are indeed more properly referred to as "propertarians".

Posted by dethspud

So say the pot-head section. Bunch of whinny-assed self-indulgent fuckwads that don't care about anything but getting high. None of them have the balls to stand up for what they believe in.

Rosa parks was willing to accept the consequences. Civil rights leaders were attacked, physically, for their beliefs. Christian all over the world are murdered for their beliefs. But potheads? They just want to hide. Scurry around like roaches. Fucking cowards.

If that whinny-assed pothead was fighting to overturn the laws, I would support him. Hiding in a foreign country and violating the laws just cause he doesn't like them? That makes him a criminal.

And if Canada assists this criminal, there should be consequences.

" This pussy hides in Canada, shaking in his panties."

He's Canadian, you authority-worshipping "libertarian" dumbass. No wonder the "libertarian" party can't win an election for water district even if unopposed.

"No wonder the "libertarian" party can't win an election for water district even if unopposed."

Libertarians don't have water districts.
They just drill wells until they all run dry.

Nulli, can you please pull you head out of your ass and FUCKING THINK for a minute? He violated the US Laws. Doesn't matter if he is Canadian, Mexican, Israeli, Russian or Martian. If there is an extradition treaty, he needs to be arrested and turned over. We have an extradition treaty with Canada. Doesn't matter if you don't like the law.

If I were sending guns to Canada, do you think that Canada would be coming after my ass? And what do you think Canada would do if the US said "fuck off, we like guns"?

Either international laws are followed, or they are not. It really is that simple. If Canada isn't going to follow international agreements, then all agreements with Canada should be canceled.

#31 | Posted by 1libertarian at 2010-03-19 09:05 PM

Keep on posting, dummy. You are a fine representative of right-libertarians, i.e., authority-loving drones.

These people prattle on endlessly about liberty when they're not at their blue-collar jobs where they have to ask permission to take a piss.

Null,

You made a guess about me (wrong on all points, but you tried).

I do not have a 'blue-collar' job, and I don't punch a clock or have to ask anyone for a bathroom break. And I suggested that I would support the potheads if they were taking to the street, standing up for the principle that they should be able to put anything in their body they wanted (not just pot, btw). Anything but a "drone".

My turn. You probably have a low-paying job cause you would pop any conceivable drug test. Your biggest fear is that the cost of pot will go up so high that you have to choose between munchies and the pot that gives you the munchies. You probably know more about pot and pot-trivia than you do about the city or country you grew up in.

It's wonderful that folks like 1Libertarian knock the "blue-collar" workers who make their particular brand of bullshit regarding their employment value almost believable to other bullshit artists who also have never done a hard day's work in their lifetimes and are ever on the prowl to justify their status by claiming innate merit and hard work explains it all.

The more things change the more it is obvious that the mediocre minds with a decent paycheck struggle voraciously to explain their good fortune by claiming universal rules of justice explain that it is how it should be by natural law. It's true in every economic and hierarchical system from the depths of organized society to today.

1Libertarian-
re: I do not have a 'blue-collar' job, and I don't punch a clock or have to ask anyone for a bathroom break.

Of course you don't. That would be demeaning, and below your obvious worth as a human being. As to the others, well....

Null,

You made a guess about me (wrong on all points, but you tried)."

I wasn't referring to you personally, but to those of your ideology. Do you have one of those "Worship Authority" bumperstickers on your car?

Quit your fucking whining Gaucho......Shakey isn't here to hold your dick while your queef.

#37 | Posted by Connielingus

Stick to the music threads, Rex.

I have an idea, Rex (Connielingus)! You could start your own blog and rip into RCADE's blog as a launching point!

What, tried that, were graciously allowed back in and now post under a cloud after being banned for your continuous bullshit and rabid behavior?

One word comes to mind: PATHETIC.

Wait, another word: IMPOTENT.

One more: SAD

REX is an accident in slomo where you can watch the same drunk driver veer into the railing over and over again and stumble out to slur that that motherfucking guardrail jumped in his path.

Again. And Again...

It's wonderful that folks like 1Libertarian knock the "blue-collar" workers

The fuck are you smoking? I didn't say anything to "knock" blue-collar workers. All I said was the characterization that was made of me up thread missed on all points. You need to stop reading shit that isn't there.

who also have never done a hard day's work in their lifetimes

Now you move from stupid to, well, beyond stupid. You have NO FUCKING CLUE how hard I have or have not worked. Just pulling shit out of your ass cause you want to attack me. Typical stereotyping. And also wrong.

justify their status by claiming innate merit and hard work explains it all.

You really need to steal a quarter and go buy a fucking clue.

... it is obvious that...

Based on your previous observations, nothing is obvious to you. Hint, water is wet, fire is warm, and you are fucking clueless.

That would be demeaning, and below your obvious worth as a human being. As to the others, well....

#35 | Posted by BetelG

Dude, stop smoking that shit. Seriously, it has fucked you up something terrible.

I wasn't referring to you personally,

Of course not... you weren't talking about me as soon as you figured out you were a fucking idiot.

but to those of your ideology.

The only way you would be able to understand anything (especially my ideology) is if I scribbled it on a hamster and let you shove it up your ass.

Do you have one of those "Worship Authority" bumperstickers on your car?

#36 | Posted by nullifidian

And another person who needs to buy a fucking clue. What part of get the laws changed did you not understand?

#43 | Posted by 1libertarian

You're rather long winded.

yes

Yes he is right but so is Null. Lib you say you will support a stand of definance to get the laws changed. That is what this is. Civil disobediance with consequences to get the laws changed. The problem I see is that it is coming from out of the country rather than within.

Tao, this is not exactly civil disobedience. If you are willing to stand up, ala MLK, you have to be willing to go to jail. If he came to the states and planted pot on the WH lawn, I would cheer. If he got 10,000 potheads to march on DC to change the laws, I would support it.

But to hide behind the PM's skirts, that is cowardly. To sit in a foreign country and violate US laws is criminal. For Canada to not extradite him is a violation of international treaties.

1Lib I agree. The challenge should not come from outside the country at least not from a non citizen. I'm still torn on this one. Personly I have agreed to testify on medical marijuana in my state. Not exactly Rosa Parks but not excited by standing up in front of the state congress and saying it is a bit diffrent. It fell through this session but I have agreed that if it comes up next session I will still be willing to testify.

Tao,

I think that shows more courage. Being willing to stand up and be heard. Doesn't always require throwing bricks and burning buildings.

That said, I think a lot of the pot smokers are too limited. Like I said, I have never smoked pot. I have no interest in smoking pot. But I agree it should be made legal.

I go further. I think that they should be able to grow it as a cash crop, farm it in large farms, package it by marlboro or whoever your favorite company is, and purchased anywhere you buy cigs or beer. I think that the large drug companies should be able to sell any product they create, and you should be able to buy whatever product you want to consume.

Pot for medical use is one thing, person freedom to do what you want is a MUCH larger step. I am pushing for the big step. Don't mind the small step along the way.

"The only way you would be able to understand anything (especially my ideology) is if I scribbled it on a hamster and let you shove it up your ass."

Brilliant retort, moron. Typical of these dumbshit "libertarians" with bumpersticker brains.

I couldn't think of any other way to get the info to the place where you keep your head.

He got a lot of people sent to the nik in America when Overgrow.com was infiltrated and user information fell into the hands of the DEA. Mailing lists, incriminating photos, sales receipts were left unprotected and Emery's customers suffered. Perhaps it would have been wiser to tackle his own country's laws before taking on a foreign nation and flaunting his imaginary invulnerability on 60 Minutes?

~Blue Sky.

Fair point.

That sed, the DEA's draconian measures and odious tactics here are still more loathsome than Emery's naivete and lack of proper cyber-security.

And the sentence is still unjust.

Be Well.