Well, why not? Remember FatAss The Radio Clown mocking Michael J. Fox?

If your 5yr old is writhing in pain and you can't afford medication. Suck it up. You should have thought of that before you choose to be poor.

The Right.

but its okay for dems to pull out 11 year old children and make them LIE about thier mother's death...

and then of course even through MOUNDS of moral blackmail from dems...its the right that gets the press....

Ah, the "values voters" once again showing their total lack of humanity, morality and common sense.

They are insane.

And then Babbler rambles on about some half remembered talking point like it's supposed to mean something as usual.

Be Well.

"And then Babbler rambles on about some half remembered talking point"

All the scraps of paper he wrote them on got scrambled when he fell off his barstool.

"moral blackmail"...new talking point and it is actually so cynical that it's funny!

Typical "I got mine so fuck everyone else" sort of behavior.

I noticed a lot of the anti-HC folks were middle aged or older-I wonder how many are on Medicare?

How many of them use medicare or public services. In fairness, judging by the pictures and signs from yesterday's massive BAGGERFAIL most were home schooled.

Sadly enough, aflac looks like he's moving to claim RIGHTNUT's title as batshit craziest rightwinger on Drudge.

1. To jeer at anybody is stupid and useless
2. Just because the guy has Parkinson's does not make his case for HC more, or less, viable.
3. Parkinson's sufferers should not have to have something such as this Health Care bill or the, yet to be seen, ideal health care bill to get basic coverage for their disease.
4. There are often plenty of other programs or services made available to individuals such as this on the local, state and federal level, the problem is that most of the time they are not clearly communicated and people remain ignorant of them.
5. Some people just freak out too easily, both the people described in the article and the people freaking out about the people described in the article.

Read the book titled "Hurt People, hurt people"

It will probably do all of you some good.

It's Raw Story. Wouldn't surprise me if it was all staged.

Exp,

Re: your point #3.

That is the whole point of health care reform, you tool. The insurance companies are a bunch of heartless assholes more interested in profits and greed than providing a service.

You goat bothering Republicans are more interested in preventing the Democrats from getting an important 'win' than protecting people like this guy (along with the working fools that make up the vast majority of your voting base).

Between you and the insurance companies, the average American is screwed.

"There are often plenty of other programs or services made available to individuals such as this on the local, state and federal level, the problem is that most of the time they are not clearly communicated and people remain ignorant of them."

Sure there are, as long as you impoverish yourself first. Give up your home, get rid of any money in the bank, etc. before you can qualify for Medicaid.

"It's Raw Story. Wouldn't surprise me if it was all staged."

Not surprising, you're an idiot.

Enough of the sob stories already! This is so idiotic and symptomatic of what we have morphed into as a nation. One or thousand of people inflicted by whatever put on display must not be the standard that shapes any policy.

Matthews interviewed the Americans For Prosperity's Tim Phillips (The President of AFP) and though Phillips condemned this action, he reinforced the message and offered nothing to help anyone that doesn't have insurance or health care. Instead, Phillips said he understood how the "Government take-over of health care" would make people that angry.

"Government take-over of health care?" Really? That's what having minimum standards, out-sourcing everything to for-profit industry and creating a little competition on an exchange is being called these days? But I digress.

Phillips he went on to cite, as an example of what this Parkinson's sufferer should do, people who sold everything they had, their homes, etc. and pay for their own care.

These jeering protesters represent AFP accurately.

"Enough of the sob stories already!"

Oh yes, the afflicted should stay out of sight, out of mind, let us Americans continue to pretend we have the best health care in the world and that America is a generous, caring nation but hey, that doesn't mean we have to really take care of our citizens. Let them eat cake!

"Enough of the sob stories already!"

I actualy agree with this and I am one of the sob stories. If the health care bill was really that good you wouldn't have to bring out worst case scenarios and put them on public display.

Lets face it dems this health care bill is a load of crap. Don't take that to mean I am against health care reform I am all for it. However the current bill is not even close to the reform we need. Don't pass it now and fix it later FIX IT NOW.

Seriously mandatory coverage and a 750 subsidy? Have they looked at what health care costs? The cheapest plan for my family is 3360 a year and that leaves a 5k deductible. So to mandate this coverage they are willing to pick up 1/3 of the tab but if I don't get it fine me 2x the tab? That seems a bit fucked in the head to me. Especialy towards poor working class folks.

If the health care bill was really that good you wouldn't have to bring out worst case scenarios and put them on public display.

What an interesting way to devalue this man's situation. Call him a prop. Yep, someone went to the closet and found a Parkinson's victim and said "Whoa! This will help make our case!"

Or the man was there of his own free will to protest a system that he believes has let him down. Nah. Can't be that.

What an interesting way to devalue this man's situation. Call him a prop.

Yep lets ignore this gem I actualy agree with this and I am one of the sob stories. because I have been a prop. It's not like everyone else on the DR knows but I have MS. My friends have used me in stories and arguments probably the only reason I have not been in the media is because I refuse. So yes I think I can get away with calling him a prop. Devalue his situation hell no. I know what he is going through a lot better than you or any of the other oportunist who want to use him as a prop.

I wonder how many of them offered to help him beyond helping him push through health reform? That would be the real test if they thought he was a prop or really empathized with him.

How about that guy in the white shirt and tie throwing dollar bills at the Parkinson's sufferer?

I wonder if he got home that night and wished he hadn't done that or proudly told his wife and kids or girlfriend how he was out there defending America. If the latter and it's a girlfriend, she should get out now. If it's a wife and kids, my commiserations.

Brock,

I agree that the behavior was shitty. My point was not to excuse the assholes but to point out that there were assholes on both sides of the line.

If the latter and it's a girlfriend, she should get out now. If it's a wife and kids, my commiserations.

With all luck he is a single guy who went home and played with his cat for the rest of the evening.

Too bad Eddie Money wasn't there to perform "Shakin'".

RisR should have been here blogging instead of throwing money at poor sick people.

Seriously though, this video shows what the rwingnut rants we so often read here look like when they are put into action.

Sad/pathetic.

And I know that wasn't 101, unless that was Monopoly money and he kicked the Parkinson's guy in the nuts afterwards.

Well, why not? Remember FatAss The Radio Clown mocking Michael J. Fox?-#1 Letusprey
You really mean perhaps,

Pinche Pendejo Culo Gordo el Limbaugh

Seriously though, this video shows what the rwingnut rants we so often read here look like when they are put into action.

Sad/pathetic.

#23 | Posted by Corky

Pretty stupid comment. That would be like me claiming you're as crazy as all the Code Pink Chicks.

-all the Code Pink Chicks

San Antonio Rogue doesn't post here anymore, more's the pity.

You know what I mean. It's easy to sit here and type rwingnut bootstrap crap, but seeing the same attitude acted out is..... sad/pathetic.

You know what I mean. It's easy to sit here and type rwingnut bootstrap crap, but seeing the same attitude acted out is..... sad/pathetic.

#27 | Posted by Corky

I'm sorry. I took it to mean you were stereotyping.
Not sure why I thought that.

Enough of the sob stories already! This is so idiotic and symptomatic of what we have morphed into as a nation. One or thousand of people inflicted by whatever put on display must not be the standard that shapes any policy.

#14 | Posted by Liberty

Ahhh another 'LIBERTIST' adding his 2 cents worth.

Obviously didn't bother to read the article in The Dispatch.

This display of inhumanity from the teabagger right is a great example of their preconceived notions. The Parkinsons sufferer was already supportive of the health care bill BEFORE he was diagnosed with Parkinsons Disease.

He is not a communist or a bum looking for a handout. He is a retired Nuclear Engineer with a degree from Cornell.

There is NOTHING wrong about a citizen holding a sign in public expressing his opinion. That is the ESSENCE of liberty at its best.

You call yourself liberty while deriding a fellow citizen for experiencing liberty.

This phenonmenon is what our country has morphed into. Uninformed and misinformed rightwingnuts running around yelling their heads off about how much they support Liberty. All the while they want to deny our citizens the most BASIC freedom of access to health care.

We can afford to send a man to the moon! We can afford to waste 20 percent of our ecomomy on Military spending. We can afford Trillions for unnecessary wars in the Middle East.

BUT NOT ONE DIME FOR HEALTH CARE!

THAT is truly pathetic.

216 yes votes needed to FINALLY pass LONG OVERDUE Health Care Reform FOR America. 206 votes declared with 35 undeclared representatives as of Friday morning.

ONLY TEN MORE VOTES NEEDED. WE will get there by Sunday.

Puppets for greedfuckers, wrap themselves in Christianity and the Constitution while defaming Jesus and our Founding Fathers.

Unborn fetuses are more important than born children, teenagers and adults. No one is entitled to health care or the social security they paid for, because we cannot afford these programs. But, we can afford to spend more on Bailouts, Bonuses for Failure, War, and Israel.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

We don't give a fuck about Justice which should be metted out in proportion to wealth. Tranquility is best established by locking up Liberal antiwar protestors and COmmunist sympathizers while leaving Conservative election recount protestors and teabaggers alone. Never endow the poor with life liberty and the pursuit if happiness, that is the sole right of wealthy Conservatives. Promoting the general welfare means surrendering the wealth of society exclusively to unproductive politically well connected leaches.

The Boston Tea Party protested the outlandish greedfucking of the East Indian Tea Company. Like everything else the Rethuglicans say and do, they have purposely turned the meaning of that event on end for the benefit the same class of people today that those revolutionaries were against then. Today's teapartiers understand they are being fucked, they're just too dumb to figure out who's really fucking them.

-We can afford Trillions for unnecessary wars in the Middle East.

BUT NOT ONE DIME FOR HEALTH CARE!

We can afford 1.3 trillion in GW's tax cuts for the rich, passed by reconciliation and put off budget on our children's credit card, but we can't afford a deficit reducing, on budget health care plan.

uh-huh

We can afford 1.3 trillion in GW's tax cuts for the rich, passed by reconciliation and put off budget on our children's credit card, but we can't afford a deficit reducing, on budget health care plan.

welcome to America!

How about that guy in the white shirt and tie throwing dollar bills at the Parkinson's sufferer?

That's stomach-turning stuff. There's a lot of hate in this country that uses politics as an excuse. If it weren't health reform, it would be some other issue throwing that douchebag into a rage.

We can afford 1.3 trillion in GW's tax cuts for the rich, passed by reconciliation and put off budget on our children's credit card, but we can't afford a deficit reducing, on budget health care plan.

welcome to America!

#32 | Posted by eberly

Dont forget the $3 Trillion spent turning Iraq into Iran 2

216 yes votes needed to FINALLY pass LONG OVERDUE Health Care Reform FOR America. 206 votes declared with 35 undeclared representatives as of Friday morning.

ONLY TEN MORE VOTES NEEDED. WE will get there by Sunday.

#29 | Posted by Monstman

Are you stupid enough to think that it will be over then?

You will see the largest shift to the right in Government for the last 100 years if this pile of shit passes.

State of the health care debate: Talk radio attacks an 11-year old

If only we wouldve elected John Kerry and Mr Gropey, Esq in 2004.. Parkinson's would be cured by now

Heck.. I can cure Parkinson's with Cannabis.. that's easy. I can even cure Autism and Alzeimer's

How about that guy in the white shirt and tie throwing dollar bills at the Parkinson's sufferer?

That's stomach-turning stuff. There's a lot of hate in this country that uses politics as an excuse. If it weren't health reform, it would be some other issue throwing that douchebag into a rage.

#33 | Posted by rcade

Bullshit!!

BULLSHIT!!!

Did you even watch the video? Didn't you see the contention among the people?

I've heard you say some pompous, off-the-cuff bullshit, before RCade, but I thought you were smarter than this!!!

How can you watch the video and see the passion on both sides and draw a conclusion like that?

GOD DAMN IT! Think!!!

How do you know that the man wasn't faking his disease? I think the crowd figured it out because they were there.

Prove to me that the man wasn't faking it.

Besides, chances are, let's say 1000 to 1 that the man has access to the best health care that the world has to offer.

I can't believe that it's come to this!!!

You Libs will stop at nothing!!!

Where's the hate RCade...

WHERE'S THE HATE?

Is it a hate for liars and cheats? Is it a hate for wanting to kill the American Dream in lieu of Obama "Taking care of your Mortgage and putting gas in your car?"

My God! Where's your sense of self reliance and the faith that the American process can work!??!

State of the health care debate: Talk radio attacks an 11-year old

Read more: www.mcclatchydc.com

#36 | Posted by Corky

You idiot!

They didn't attack an 11-year-old, they attacked your leaders for making an 11-year-old LIE!!!!

God damnit!!!

Wake the fuck up and see what you are doing!!!

You are stooping to lying and cheating because you support liars and cheaters.

If this thing were good, it would have no opposition.

Just remember that we, the working and innovative people of America are not going away! We will still be here when this bill either passes or fails this weekend.

What the hell do you think we are going to do next?

Do you really think that any Congressman who votes for this bill will actually be there next year?

Perhaps Rogers took the time to peruse this thread....

"He is not a communist or a bum looking for a handout. He is a retired Nuclear Engineer with a degree from Cornell." #29

The meds, Slow Eddie. Remember to take your meds.

-your leaders for making an 11-year-old LIE!!!!

Please describe to us specifically which leaders made this child lie about his dead mother, and how the made him do it.

Or stfu.

How do you know that the man wasn't faking his disease? I think the crowd figured it out because they were there. Prove to me that the man wasn't faking it.

That's a piss-poor standard for how to treat somebody you don't know, simply because they disagree with you. He held a sign that said he had Parkinson's. Screaming in his face about handouts and throwing money on him is vile.

If I saw some right-winger at a protest with a sign claiming that he had a disease, my first thought wouldn't be to get into a screaming match with him and mock his illness.

And I wouldn't expect him to prove he was ill. That's stupid. Anyone with a sense of decency wouldn't want to risk mocking a stranger about an illness they claimed to have, because if it's true, that would make you a total douchebag.

-Anyone with a sense of decency

Ah, and there's the rub.

My God! Where's your sense of self reliance and the faith that the American process can work!??!

I believe that a major purpose of government is so that we can accomplish things collectively that would be impossible for us to do individually. Universal health insurance, like Social Security and Medicare, is one of these things. I can be the most self reliant person in the world, but that doesn't mean an insurer will sell me health insurance or I could afford my family's medical costs without it.

Eddie needs to go fuck himself. What an ass.....a true American patriot.

He is a retired Nuclear Engineer with a degree from Cornell." #29

#40 | Posted by Corky

Who has access to the best health care the world has ever seen...

until Sunday.

Eddie needs to go fuck himself. What an ass.....a true American patriot.

#45 | Posted by micawber

Who has gotten you to think of what a hypocrite you are and you are STILL defiant!!

It will sink in. Not now, not tomorrow, but one day when you're living in government housing and your kids are in a state-run home for kids with unfit parents...

#46 | Posted by Eddie at 2010-03-19 11:42 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: Thinks the ER is "health care"

I can be the most self reliant person in the world, but that doesn't mean an insurer will sell me health insurance or I could afford my family's medical costs without it.

#44 | Posted by rcade

Not true.

I see that you really haven't investigated the American health system.

Did you know that Biomedical and Health related equipment manufacturers sell to the US first and then the to rest of the world? You're a high tech guy and understand the life time of technology... Today (NOW), it's $10, in 2 years it's $4.50 and in 5 years it's $0.35.

The American health system buys Today's technology. The lastest and greatest! The rest of the world is happy with last year's model.

This is part of the reason our health care is so high.

Another reason is that the Health Insurance Industry is monopolized. (Period!)

Tort? Fix it! Make the plaintif pay for the doctor's legal expenses if they lose or if the case is thrown out for being frivalous. A good attorney will see the difference and will get rid of the greedy ones.

Bring the burden of providing health care back to the State level, where it belongs, and force states to allow competition, then premiums will fall. Also force states to regulate the way they want.

These are just a few, but if it were in place, you would be able to cover yourself and your family with no problem. You would never think about it.

"Make the plaintif pay for the doctor's legal expenses if they lose "

Gee, won't that be utopia? An entire legal system made up of the OJ defense team versus the little guy! What could possibly go wrong???

#46 | Posted by Eddie at 2010-03-19 11:42 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: Thinks the ER is "health care"

#48 | Posted by Corky

You really have no clue how to solve this problem do you?

What you will see happen is this pile of shit pass this Sunday. Then you will see states like Colorado stand up and pass state laws to supercede it, thereby forcing the state to be self reliant and take care of its residents. Hey, what a concept. Maybe it should be in the Constitution. Oh, wait. IT IS!

Sending people to the ER was a temporary solution to a major problem that states have been avoiding for decades.

It's time for the Federal Government to reverse this trend and being everyone's mother and forcing the state to do its JOB!!!

All these pet projects and earmarks have conditioned US to thinking that the FREE money from the Federal Government is endless.

Is it?

We are spending like it's 1999, like we are about to either all die or, more real, about to go bankrupt.

I can't believe you can't see that.

If your 5yr old is writhing in pain and you can't afford medication. Suck it up. You should have thought of that before you choose to be poor.

#2 | Posted by Species8472

Thats OK leach. I'll take care of you because you are too damn lazy to do it yourself.

Then you will see states like Colorado stand up and pass state laws to supercede it, thereby forcing the state to be self reliant and take care of its residents.

The likelihood that states can overrule the federal law on health care reform is slim to non-existent.

"Make the plaintif pay for the doctor's legal expenses if they lose "

Gee, won't that be utopia? An entire legal system made up of the OJ defense team versus the little guy! What could possibly go wrong???

#50 | Posted by Danforth

So, what we have now is good?

Hey, if someone has a good case, why would they be concerned?

Our health care costs are going up because people can sue without consequences.

What do they have to lose?

Well, the Doctor has to pay and he'll be passing that cost onto all of his patients.

Oh, WAIT! So if the government takes over, then patients can't sue the government. Oh! I get it....

LOL!!!

The current system:

Threaten to sue a doctor.
Bet on doctor settling because defense is too expensive.
If doctor settles, collect money.
If doctor does not, drop charges.
No money out of pocket for person suing.

"No money out of pocket for person suing."

Only if you assume the plaintiff is a lawyer and there are no court filing fees.

He is a retired Nuclear Engineer with a degree from Cornell." #29

#40 | Posted by Corky

Who has access to the best health care the world has ever seen...

until Sunday.

#46 | Posted by Eddie

Eddie...Please take your meds! Then tell me again where the "best health care in the world is.

"Hey, if someone has a good case, why would they be concerned? "

Gee, I don't know...why don't you ask the family of Ron Goldman?

"Sending people to the ER was a temporary solution "

Anyone who thinks "sending people to the ER" is any type of "solution" is part of the problem.

He is a retired Nuclear Engineer with a degree from Cornell." #29

Hmm a lot like my dad except he died from ALS not Parkinsons.

Asking someone to prove an illness is a good way to get the crap kicked out of you by their friends. Heck in my case the symptoms come and go and I have had people yell at me for parking in Handicap spaces since I do not "look" disabled. I usualy just tell them they can have my space if they take my MS too. On a bad day I have to restrain myself from beating them around the head and shoulders with my cane. (of course on a bad day no one questions me)

Then you will see states like Colorado stand up and pass state laws to supercede it, thereby forcing the state to be self reliant and take care of its residents.

The likelihood that states can overrule the federal law on health care reform is slim to non-existent.

#53 | Posted by rcade

While they are at it think the States could do something about the IRS?

The likelihood that states can overrule the federal law on health care reform is slim to non-existent.

#53 | Posted by rcade

Then the bill will be overturned and then the States will be forced to do their job.

I was thinking all along that this is a complete waste of time, but it have brought the debate to the front. However, with the economy trying to come back, the Left has terrible timing.

RCade, this is a rare chance for the Left to make an awesome Socialist move. They are briefly in power and must do something significant before they are voted out in November.

Politics will never be the same again.

It's a critical time in our history and what happens in Washington over the next 10 years will set the course for the US for the next 100 or so.

Will we move all power of major industries and all govnerment to the Federal level?
Will we go bankrupt?
Will the dollar go away? Will Mexico, Canada and the US become a union like the EU?
Will the American Empire persist? Will all of the wars and "Defense" spending stop?

I think that a course will be set with the vote on Sunday...

I'm just sayen...

#60 | Posted by TaoWarrior

What makes me madder than hell is that people in this country get the absolute best health care, have access to every public building...

What else do you want?

Do you want my house? My health? My income?

I'm sorry, I'd give it to you if I could spare it, but I have a responsibility to my children...

"Sending people to the ER was a temporary solution "

Anyone who thinks "sending people to the ER" is any type of "solution" is part of the problem.

#59 | Posted by Danforth

Danforth, Why do you stalk me and attack parts of words?

Seems that you don't have the balls to argue the points and would prefer to isolate something and put a bullshit meaning to it.

You're full of shit until you start fighting like man...

"I think that a course will be set with the vote on Sunday..."

That is the general intent, to set a course to reduce the amount of GDP going to health care, to set a course to reduce the budget deficits, to set a course to allow 30 million more Americans to have insurance.

And then Babbler rambles on about some half remembered talking point like it's supposed to mean something as usual.

Be Well.

#4 | Posted by dethspud at 2010

you learned the lesson of not answering a question or debate well from the lying president.

#57 | Posted by donnerboy

I see that you've bought into the lies.

All of the sites you quoted base everything on costs!

That was my point, in case you missed it.

If you take the cost out of the equation, the US has the best and most accessible health care man-kind has ever known.

However, like the banking system, we will not be able to maintain this luxery for very much longer.

What I'm trying to say is Why throw the baby out with the bathwater and go to a Socialist system when there are far better ways of improving the system.

moral blackmail"...new talking point and it is actually so cynical that it's funny!

#6 | Posted by danni at

see post 66

Sadly enough, aflac looks like he's moving to claim RIGHTNUT's title as batshit craziest rightwinger on Drudge.

#8 | Posted by northguy3 at

when you are a target of the radical leftists posting here, this distinction is a medal worth wining. I am humbled at the thought of being in the same conversation as some of the patriots that you have place me.

"Moral blackmail". Wow. Talk about cynical rightwing talking points. I can't believe that they have gotten this far down the road of desperation and dishonesty. Really scary and sad for America that one of our two major political parties has veered this far off the deep end.

Oh yes, the afflicted should stay out of sight, out of mind, let us Americans continue to pretend we have the best health care in the world and that America is a generous, caring nation but hey, that doesn't mean we have to really take care of our citizens. Let them eat cake!

#16 | Posted by danni at 2010

our point, since you and your ilk dont really give a fuck about the unemployed and such is that the left wing media would jump on some of the stories refered to from goddamn dems as 'fear mongering'.
but when that shoe is on this foot, the left only smears the attacker.

your time is nearing an end...politically of course.

RCade, this is a rare chance for the Left to make an awesome Socialist move. They are briefly in power and must do something significant before they are voted out in November.

This is a chance for the left to accomplish something that will in time become as popular as Social Security and Medicare, helping show new generations of Americans why they should elect Democrats.

"I think that a course will be set with the vote on Sunday..."

That is the general intent, to set a course to reduce the amount of GDP going to health care, to set a course to reduce the budget deficits, to set a course to allow 30 million more Americans to have insurance.

#65 | Posted by danni

I agree. We can't continue to spend like this.

I do have a few questions though.

Why did your number fall from 48 million to 30 million?

How many of those 30 million people really can afford health insurance, but won't buy it? How many of those people have kids?

How many are in the country illegally?

These are reasonable questions?

Am I now a selfish bastard for making someone take care of themselves?

This is a chance for the left to accomplish something that will in time become as popular as Social Security and Medicare, helping show new generations of Americans why they should elect Democrats.

#72 | Posted by rcade

You forgot to add Prohibition to your list of welcomed accomplishments.

In America, rightwingers have a proud history of almost always being wrong. They opposed Lincoln when he fought for emancipation. They opposed FDR when he fought for the New Deal. They opposed a series of Presidents including Eisenhower, Kennedy and Johnson, when they fought for Civil Rights for ALL Americans. They oppose Obama now that he fights for healthcare for the most vulnerable segments of society. If we have learned little else over the centuries it is that rightwing opposition is usually a good indicator that we are headed in the correct direction.

Eddie needs to go fuck himself. What an ass.....a true American patriot.

#45 | Posted by micawber

Where is the coward who said this? Talk about an ASS!??!

An idiot who thinks he's taking the moral high ground; probably doesn't work and doesn't have kids or any property, just a fucking Mustang that his dad has to make payments on...

I agree. We can't continue to spend like this.

We spent 2 to 3 times this on bush's iraqi adventure.

this will end up saving americans money

having health insurance results in you being healthier resulting in a more productive society.

any money pumped into the economy through federal spending on health care will come back in growth (right trickle down economists?)

additionally insured americans will create a need for new doctors, nurses, health professionals, pharmaceuticals, insurance people, hospitals, providers, etc etc etc. Increased demand will result in new jobs.

Christ people who are against health care are just plain STUPID!

"Why do you stalk me and attack parts of words?"

Those were entire words, Haskell. Yours.

Why are you such a pussy when you're quoted verbatim?

RCade, this is a rare chance for the Left to make an awesome Socialist move. They are briefly in power and must do something significant before they are voted out in November.

This is a chance for the left to accomplish something that will in time become as popular as Social Security and Medicare, helping show new generations of Americans why they should elect Democrats.

#72 | Posted by rcade

If you ever give it half a mind, you will find that SS and Medicare ARE NOT popular! You think they are popular because so many people use it and because they defend it so.

They defend it because they OWN it. It's property. These people paid into it and they have depended on it to be there. Don't let the word "Social" fool you. It's very much a capitalist tool that has much of the risk taken out of it.

Do you really want to try and prove to me that the SS system would be a worse shape if it were private?

It's really a strawman, because something that large being invested into private markets would have caused the markets to have different results than they've had over the last 70 years.

You forgot to add Prohibition to your list of welcomed accomplishments.

Cos stopping people from drinking legally is EXACTLY the same thing as trying to control costs and bring some accountability to the HC Insurance industry while bringing millions of uninsured under the umbrella of afforable HC?

Wow, you FAIL hard.

In point of fact, Obama, in his short time in office, has already done sommat useful in terms of ending unjust marijuana prohibition by telling DEA federales to back off of medical marijuana users who are allowed under state law to smoke weed for medicinal purposes.

Obama FTW.

WisDog FTL.

Be Well.

"Why do you stalk me and attack parts of words?"

Those were entire words, Haskell. Yours.

Why are you such a pussy when you're quoted verbatim?

#78 | Posted by Danforth

LOL!!!

go away coward.

If you ever give it half a mind, you will find that SS and Medicare ARE NOT popular!

Half a mind?

Are you sure you spare yer entire stock there?

HC and old people not eating Alpo are unpopular?

Yer a whackjob, Eddie.

Do you really want to try and prove to me that the SS system would be a worse shape if it were private?

The real reason SS in in such bad shape is because administrations on both sides of the aisles have for too long used it as the first piggy bank to raid fer the last thirty five years.

Privatization is not necessary as people can and already do save for their retirement with self directed accounts. SS is just a guaranteed hedge against poverty assisting those who fer one reason or another don't do that so well.

Be Well.

"go away coward."

Riiiiiiiiiight. You always want people to "go away" after they point out your stupidity. Why are you such a pussy when you're quoted verbatim?

"The real reason SS in in such bad shape is because administrations on both sides of the aisles have for too long used it as the first piggy bank to raid fer the last thirty five years."

Exactly.

If any other Pension Trustee did what Congress has done to our SS system, they'd be in jail.

They opposed Lincoln when he fought for emancipation.

Democrats were Right-wingers? Conservatives? What are you saying? Besides, Lincoln did it as a military move. But Lincoln was a true Conservative. He was better known at the time to oppose the bankers who were taking over and using the war as a tool to do so.

They opposed FDR when he fought for the New Deal.
Uh, they were right about it then and it's proven today. Think!!!

They opposed a series of Presidents including Eisenhower, Kennedy and Johnson, when they fought for Civil Rights for ALL Americans.
Again, they were Right-wingers? Conservatives? What??

Civil Rights at the Federal has accomplished very little. Assimilation has still not happened. There is still Black America and White America. It's not needed (in a perfect world). The Constitution guarantees that every individual has civil rights. It's just sad that we had to make a law in the Constitution to say the same thing that was already in the Constitution!!!

They oppose Obama now that he fights for healthcare for the most vulnerable segments of society.

HEY! Let's get something straight. Healthcare? So he's fighting for healthcare? Who's opposing healthcare?

Do you mean Healthcare reform? Who's opposing healthcare reform?

The Conservatives are OPPOSING Obama's move toward Socialism!!!

The conversation is impossible!!!

If we have learned little else over the centuries it is that rightwing opposition is usually a good indicator that we are headed in the correct direction.

Again, what do you mean by Right Wing?

Also, what do you mean by accomplishment?

You are full of shallow Liberal bullshit!

#61

I don't want anything, but to call this guy a faker is a crappy move. (Of course if he is a faker thats worse)

Just wondering are you familiar with some of the health cost out there? I have HDHP so I get to see all the bills.

NEURO appt. - 145.00
MRI - 1500-4000
IVSM - 1600-1900
Evoked Potential - Not sure but would love to find out
LP - 900
Blood Patch for screwed up LP - 900
Gabapentin - 36 a month
Hydrocodone - 6 a month
Diazapam - 5 every 2 months
Avonex - 24000 a year

So with a 5k deductable I know I will hit my deductable at the beginng of the year then I have 50% up to 10k so thats another 5k a year. I have now spent 15k in one year. Thats 1.5x my mortage thats 3 x my car payment it is almost 1/3 of my household income. My question is at what point will the system decide it has soaked me for enough?

The other question is would you prefer for me to keep working and suporting my family while trying to pay insane healthcare cost or would you prefer for me to just say fuck it and get on SSDI I would make almost as much plus I could be the stay at home dad while my wife worked meaning we would make even more than we are now and medicare could pay for all that shit.

If you seriously are for personal responsibility then how about some corporate responsibility? I am trying to be responsible but how many 29 year olds with 3 kids have the means to support 15k a year in health care costs? I am lucky I am smart and a hard worker and actualy good at what I do so I can absorb those cost if just barely but my deductible is going up 13% this year so it will raise my total cost to 16k a year.

How much do you think the corporate whores at the insurance company and drug company and lab company can push it before I say fuck it working is just not worth it?

"go away coward."

Riiiiiiiiiight. You always want people to "go away"
#83 | Posted by Danforth

NOPE! It's just YOU!

Take the blinders off.

You will see that I am conversing with intelligent people who oppose me.

I am trying to be responsible but how many 29 year olds with 3 kids have the means to support 15k a year in health care costs?

#86 | Posted by TaoWarrior

Exactly! Not many.

In fact, you represent the part of the H.C. Insurance industry that's broken.

There are about 4 million people like you and that number is growing quickly because insurance companies are taking advantage of the chaos in Washington and raising rates and kicking sick people off of their roles.

This is the part that needs to be fixed now!

Back before Medicaid, in Louisiana, your medical bills would have been covered 100%. Back then, we didn't have the level of medical care we have now, nor would you have been on so many medications.

Most of the meds you are taking now were invented in the last 5 years! Think about it. The care is 1000% better, but it costs everything we have.

We need a solution and this desparate attempt to Socialize the country is criminal.

Do you really want to try and prove to me that the SS system would be a worse shape if it were private?

That's easy. Had the privatization of SS plan gone through, millions of seniors would be homeless or dead right now.

Why?

Because it invested SS funds in the stock market, the same one that took a HUGE SHIT in november of 2008 before the election happened. I know people that lost 6 figures in less than a week.

So all those seniors would be FUCKED. There's your privatization, eddie.

PS- Just curious, who is dumber...AFKbubbleboy, or Eddie?

#60 | POSTED BY TAOWARRIOR
"I usualy just tell them they can have my space if they take my MS too."

Brilliant. Love it.

#86 | Posted by TaoWarrior

Tao, You're the people I want to help.

My sister's husband had pancreatic cancer and they removed part of his pancreas. This made him a diabetic. He was supposed to die, but he didn't. He's a tough old cuss! He couldn't get insurance for the longest time and went to the state to get his medication. They finally divorced and he went bankrupt so that he could get Medicaid.

That is screwed up!!!

No one wants to own this problem, but the responsibility belongs to the state and I want to see it change!!!

#87 | POSTED BY EDDIE
"You will see that I am conversing with intelligent people who oppose me. "

Eddie, that may be your goal, but there hasn't been much "conversing" from you in this thread, but rather a lot of bluster and insults.

Your very first post on this thread: "Are you stupid enough to think that it will be over then?"

Followed by "Bullshit!", "I thought you were smarter than this", and "how do you know he wasn't faking..." Etc, etc, etc

You may call that "conversing", but it's really just bluster and insults.

Eddie,

Actualy only one of the meds is new, Avonex, the rest are old hat and thats why they are not that much because I can get generics. However that was mainly to illustrate the issue, I don't even take Avonex anymore. I am on a clinical trial for an even newer MS drug (BTW devloped by Novartis a Swiss company) It has cut the MRI the Neuro apointment and the Avonex out of my cost keeping things under control by using myself as a human guinea pig.

Kinda sad when a young working dad has to decide between becomeing a guinea pig or bankrupting his family.

I don't know that socialized medicine would solve anything as the taxes might be just as burdensome as the cost are now. Having never lived in a socialized medicine country I could not make a comparison.

However at this point seeing how fucked up medicine in our country is I am willing to try just about anything else.

So all those seniors would be FUCKED. There's your privatization, eddie.

PS- Just curious, who is dumber...AFKbubbleboy, or Eddie?

#89 | Posted by Alexandrite

Alex, you think I'm dumb? LOL!!!

Why can't you think passed the end of your fucking nose dumbass!

If individuals ran their own funds, then yes, what you said could happen.

However, if the funds were managed by a government regulated organization that had conservative rules of investment and the funds were invested in the private market, then there is the possibility that it could have done better is pretty good... But go backrupt? Never.

Now, who's the idiot?

Thank, Forest, THINK!!!

*bankrupt

However at this point seeing how fucked up medicine in our country is I am willing to try just about anything else.

#93 | Posted by TaoWarrior

AGREED!

The system is being pushed from both sides. Premiums are going up as the Insurance Companies are "Taking Profits", as it were, before they are kicked to the curb and replaced either by the Federal Government or by State-regulated non-profits.

I feel bad for you and hope that a solution comes up soon. We've been waiting for decades.

You may call that "conversing", but it's really just bluster and insults.

#92 | Posted by TheTom

Maybe you're right, but that's how most people "converse" here.

Just sayen.

#92 | Posted by TheTom

Besides, how else would you get people to think?

If you ever give it half a mind, you will find that SS and Medicare ARE NOT popular!

That's completely wrong.

Social Security and Medicare regularly rank among the most popular government programs in polls. Here's one:

#60 | POSTED BY TAOWARRIOR
"I usualy just tell them they can have my space if they take my MS too."

Brilliant. Love it.

#90 | Posted by TheTom

I've also noticed that Tao hasn't tried to blame The Man for his illness nor has he expected for anyone else to pay for it.

True American!!!

This is what Republicans are most afraid of. The Dems will pass health care and it will be enormously popular for generations.

#99 | Posted by rcade

How can I be wrong when you supported my argument?

The people see it as property that pays a dividend. But, for how much longer?

Young people don't want to pay into it and older folks don't want you stealing it from them. You call that popular. You say tomato...

SS,Medicare, And Reform are the same? What are you saying? The Healthcare reform bill is nothing like SS and Medicare. Are you saying that it will turn into Medicare for everyone? Are you saying that Obama is lying?

If it's a reform bill, why is it costing so damn much? Why is it taking away from Medicare which is due for imminent bankruptcy?

Where is the money coming from?

Medicare is moderately successful because people pay into it for the years they are working and don't take out of it for decades.

Who is going to pay for it when no one is paying into it and EVERYONE is using it?

Have you thought this through?

Why aren't you afraid of it? Do you realize that the US is going bankrupt? Don't you see the insane spending going on?

Why aren't you afraid?

Why aren't you afraid?

Could have sommat to do with not watching Glenn Beck or being taken in by unrelenting RW fear mongering.

9/11.
Osama Bin Laden.
Progressivism.
Socialism.
Sekret Muslins.
Boo!

Did Spud scare yas?

/Cleanup up on Aisle 9.
//Bring a mop.

Be Well.

/Cleanup up on Aisle 9.
//Bring a mop.

Be Well.

#102 | Posted by dethspud

yes, you did kind of let it out all over...

Spud,

You live in Canada, don't you? I'm just wondering why you are so interested in US political discussions.

But, anyway, it's a fact that the spending over the last year is out of control and is completely unnecessary. It doesn't solve any imminent problems. On top of that, the health care reform is not any bigger problem than anything else.

The biggest problem to solve is to get health care to about 4 million people who have trouble getting it.

Are you denying this?

We have to pass "Health Care" because 48 million people don't have access to health care. That's a lie! And, it's fear mongering.

(clean up on aisle 9... LOL!)

I agree. We can't continue to spend like this.

We spent 2 to 3 times this on bush's iraqi adventure.

#77 | Posted by truthhurts

It ain't Bush's anymore. You want to cut a few bucks? Start here.

$90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.

Why can't you think passed the end of your fucking nose dumbass!

Past. Not passed, "dumbass".

However, if the funds were managed by a government regulated organization

So much for small government conservatives, eh? In Nov. 2008 we were about 500 trades from global economic armageddon. Maybe you missed it somehow, panicking because you knew McCain was about to lose.

Those private funds would have mostly dried up. If you don't know that, you don't know anything.

This is what Republicans are most afraid of. The Dems will pass health care and it will be enormously popular for generations.

#99 | Posted by rcade

Newsworthy! Newsworthy! Newsworthy!

ding ding ding

you just say the secret woid(s)!!!

you win 50 dolla!

Maybe you missed it somehow, panicking because you knew McCain was about to lose.

Those private funds would have mostly dried up. If you don't know that, you don't know anything.

#106 | Posted by Alexandrite

What?

You missed that neocons are not Conservatives...

Come back when you want to talk or the stinging goes away.

Newsworthy! Newsworthy! Newsworthy!

ding ding ding

you just say the secret woid(s)!!!

you win 50 dolla!

#107 | Posted by donnerboy

Even after I debunked it?

Even after I debunked it?

#109 | Posted by Eddie

I saw nothing new in your statements.

In other words you debunked nothing.

You certainly did NOT debunk the statement that

The Dems will pass health care...

and you have no idea yet whether it will be enormously popular for generations.

Keep spewing your Rethug Obstructionist talking points right on up to the day of the vote.

What will you do after it passes I wonder?

Better stock up on those Meds!

I saw the video. Not a single one of the 25 or so Teabaggers stepped in to stand up for the guy.

He spoke about it the other day. BTW, far from being a mooch, he has two Masters, a PhD, and is a former nuclear engineer who couldn't continue working after he got ill. Hardly a mooch:

The funny thing is all those protesters look like basic working class Americans who currently benefit greatly from the current socialist programs in he US like public schools, highways, police, water works, firemen, progressive taxes, national parks, military, etc.

If these mouth breathing bitches want equality I say why not give it to the dumb fuckers for a year with a flat tax with no deductibles and make all public schools private. We'll then see how much they protest "socialism" after it is removed.

If your 5yr old is writhing in pain and you can't afford medication. Suck it up. You should have thought of that before you choose to be poor.

The Right.

#2 | Posted by Species8472 at 2010-03-17 12:57 PM | Reply | Flag: FRAUD

Bullshit, Species....he'd be seen in many places .. clinics, hospitals, E/R rooms, even doctor's offices, without cost.

There are some places that wouldn't, but that would violate existing law. But there are far more entities that would make sure the child was treated and had medication available. Even many of the pharmaceutical provide low or no cost medications to people that need that help.

As for meds, there are some stores with pharmacies that fill some prescriptions, including antibiotic ones, for free. Publix supermarkets with pharmacies in Florida I know from personal experience, talking with the pharmacists and reading their signs.

You will see the largest shift to the right in Government for the last 100 years if this pile of shit passes.

#35 | POSTED BY EDDIE

loud and delusional doesn't mean it will happen.

the united states is now a country that is decimated by it's own disgusting vomit!