AZ competing with Texas for Dumbass State of the Decade Award.

Just what one might expect after this news:

"California attorney and "birther" proponent Orly Taitz must pay $20,000 in sanctions, the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Monday. After the dismissal of a suit Taitz filed on behalf of Capt. Connie Rhodes, who argued that he shouldn't be deployed because Barack Obama's presidency wasn't legitimate, Taitz was told by U.S. District Court Judge Clay Land she faced sanctions if she filed another "frivolous" suit."

Arizona: The Frivolous State

Looks like Hawaii has a bill of their own:

dude, it's Jerome Corsi. Mccain's butt buddy.

Duncemark proves again that idiots will be idiots.

What a bunch of retards.

I had to have my birth certificate to get a passport, what's the big deal getting a certified birth certificate???

Wow! So, you mean Obama doesn't have a passport?

That bastard!

I guess if he realy has one it should not be a problem.

So there are STILL brain-dead morons out there that can't seem to grasp the fact that if there was ANY truth to this the Clinton "Machine" would have used it? And that it escaped the Repubs during the campaign as well?

This used to be side-splittingly hilarious... now it's just plain sad.

Seriously - if you buy any of this birther garbage you are a fucking moron. Plain and simple.

Arizona the most racist state in the union rears it ugly hear once again.

Wasn't Arizona the VERY LAST state to declare the Martin Luther King holiday?

One wonders how a State Government has the authority to give orders to the Federal Executive? This would be overturned very quickly by the Federal courts if it ever became law.

Here Arizona GOP morons (with pics):

Because the Federal Government has no rights. The federal government only has the authorities expressly granted to it in the Constitution/Bill of Rights. In this case, Barak Obama (or his handlers) made a problem where there should never have been a problem. It's interesting that it was brought up by a previous poster that everyone else has to provide a birth cirtificate to get a passport. I have never subscribed to the birther B.S. But now I can't help but wonder why he still refuses to produce it. Is there a problem or is he such a narcisist that he thinks that he doesn't have to play by the same rules as the rest of us.

Wow! So, you mean Obama doesn't have a passport?
That bastard!

#7 | Posted by Corky

however before being elected Prez his passport was either Brit or Indonesian

Just watched Obama fail miserably on Fox News.

He's a blatant liar, and as well lies by omission.

He's the most divisive president this country has had since the civil war.

Wow! So, you mean Obama doesn't have a passport?
That bastard!

#7 | Posted by Corky

however before being elected Prez his passport was either Brit or Indonesian

ooops, double dip :(

Locking the door after the fox is in the henhouse.

Pathetic.

Is there a problem or is he such a narcisist that he thinks that he doesn't have to play by the same rules as the rest of us.

#12 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2010-03-17 06:39 PM

That's it. Great post and I concur.

FactCheck says you're out of your mind (with pics)

Wasn't Arizona the VERY LAST state to declare the Martin Luther King holiday?

I thought it was South Carolina

Let me guess, either markh and porkchop are from Arizona or the morons that raised them retired there.

DONNERBOY

It was Arizona

Here Arizona GOP morons

did you mean Arizona GOP Mormons?

Common mistake

Wow! So, you mean Obama doesn't have a passport?

#7 | Posted by Corky

No, he doesn't have a US birth certificate. Also, his grades are sealed because A) They sucked, but he was a token so passed B) They showed he was on scholarship as a foreign national C) His title was "Pope of Outerspace"

Let me guess, either markh and porkchop are from Arizona or the morons that raised them retired there.

#22 | Posted by RingMaster at 2010-03-17 07:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

By this bill legislators are admiting they did not/ do not vet properly those that run for public office.

That this doesn't concern you is sad.

I'm not saying that Obama isn't a natural born United States citizen, I'm saying it's pathetic that by this bill they admit they never bothered to check.

So once more, read it slowly, Locking the door after the fox is in the henhouse.

Pathetic.

If Barry would just produce his birth certificate then those who are obsessed with his will shit the fuck up. What isthe fucking problem?

While he is at it how about his college records?

This legislation makes sense. They should also make other candidates show evidence that they qualify for the minimum requirements regarding age, residency, etc. to avoid having elections contested later.

It's pathetic the Republicans let him win.

"If Barry would just produce his birth certificate then those who are obsessed with his will shit the fuck up. What isthe fucking problem?"

As long as one group of opponents is willing to make fools of themselves, why stop them?

The fact that he already did produce his birth certificate seemingly didn't impress the oily taint squad. "It's a fake".
FUCKING MORONS.

What do you want him to do, PorkFat, go to everyone of these retards homes and show it to them personally?

I reiterate - FUCKING MORONS.

"He's (Obama) the most divisive president this country has had since the civil war."

This comes with a straight face (???) from an apologist for the political cabal that produced the unmitigatedly evil Richard Nixon, the senile ideologue Ronald Reagan and incompetent illiterate Dubya? Save me. herm

I had to have my birth certificate to get a passport, what's the big deal getting a certified birth certificate???

So you accept Obama's passport as proof he is a citizen?

"So you accept Obama's passport as proof he is a citizen?

#33 | Posted by snoofy"

It's good enough for THE REST OF THE WORLD, but you folks are so much wiser.

'The federal government only has the authorities expressly granted to it in the Constitution/Bill of Rights.'

#12 | Posted by bogey1355

Which covers elections for President. Guess you didn't hear about the Voting Rights Act. The part of the constitution that bears on the issue is the equal protection clause.

The same clause that the SCOTUS used to declare Bush the winner or the Presidential election in Florida in 1999.

'He's the most divisive president this country has had since the civil war.'

#14 | Posted by porkchop

SAY WHAT? Guess you never heard about FDR. The GNOPers were foaming at the mouth about him trying to be a dictator and force communist ideas like Social Security on us. They still haven't stopped bitching about it to this day!

FDR - now THERE was a man who knew how to take on the Supreme Court! Saved our ass from the GREAT DEPRESSION and set the USA as THE great military power in the world! All the while the GNOPers were crying foul and whining stay at home we have no business over there in Europe!

'I guess if he realy(sp) has one it should not be a problem.'

#8 | Posted by Sniper

Then why are you trying to MAKE it a problem? Hmmmm?

Talk about a making a mountain out of a molehill! I guess you need SOMETHING to complain about.

Perhaps there is some personal reason he wants his privacy. Maybe he was born out of wedlock, maybe there is no father listed the possible legitimate reasons are many.

It is funny to hear you tighty righties going on and on about it! What will be the next latest tea bagger birther wierdo conspiracy theory?!

SAY WHAT? Guess you never heard about FDR. The GNOPers were foaming at the mouth about him trying to be a dictator and force communist ideas like Social Security on us. They still haven't stopped bitching about it to this day!

#36 | Posted by Monstman at 2010-03-17 10:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm so glad they got 12.4 percent of my income for the past 40 years..... Can't wait til the next 15 are over. Then I can collect a paltry monthly sum for my 55 years of contributions. I surely wouldn't have been able to do anything that would have benefited myself or my family. No no, I'm not that smart.

And just think, If I die before I'm of age to collect ANYTHING they can just squander it on some tennis court or something in North Dakota that very few if any will ever use.

Indeed, government knows best what is good for me.

Talk about a making a mountain out of a molehill! I guess you need SOMETHING to complain about.

Don't think the loons will ever give up the long list of lies. That would be rational. This week we already saw how Obama, not content with going after our guns (which hasn't happened at all) is now, supposedly, going after our fishing poles.

These 40 AZ Republicans are delusional or pandering to the delusional, or both.

These aren't adults, they are petulant children enabling irrational and harmful behavior.

"These aren't adults, they are petulant children enabling irrational and harmful behavior."

And most of them will probably be re-elected.

We are so fucked.

Hawaii Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino issued statements last year and in October 2008 saying that she's seen vital records that prove Obama is a natural-born American citizen. Both Fukino and the state registrar of vital statistics have verified that the Health Department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Yet, still, idiots claim otherwise. Article says many of the same idiots over and over.

#34 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-03-17 09:26 PM

John Edwards also said issued a statement saying that he wasn't having an affair with Rielle Hunter. People often lie especially if they were asked by the Whitehouse and maybe even given a little bit of something something on the side.

I not a crazy when it comes to his birth certificate but there comes a time when enough is enough. How many millions does the government have to waste of tax payer money deflecting the issue before they decide to show it?

"People often lie especially if they were asked by the Whitehouse and maybe even given a little bit of something something on the side."

Any actual proof, or is this just more feces flung on the wall?

"I not a crazy when it comes to his birth certificate but there comes a time when enough is enough."

Oxymoron, leaning heavily towards the moron. Obama is hopefully having a huge chuckle about all of it.

racist cocksuckers

#40 | Posted by T_Man at 2010-03-17 11:19 PM

They have shown it. Some are just too stupid to have noticed.

Purdy pictures too:

The pictures are of the Certification of Live Birth.

These folks who are screaming want to see the actual Birth Certificate.

Not the one signed and stamped June 6, 2007 by the State.

--

"Health Department holds Obama's original birth certificate."

If they would show photos of THAT document--people would have to lay this to rest and knock off the nonsense.

If they would show photos of THAT document--people would have to lay this to rest and knock off the nonsense.

Surely you're not saying the birthers and the AZ 40 are embarrassing the GOP?

They have shown it. Some are just too stupid to have noticed.

Purdy pictures too:

www.factcheck.org

#43 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-03-17 11:29 PM

So they gave it to a factcheck writer but they won't give it to anyone else? Or is it because it's a copy and not the real certificate? Just wondering.

Isn't factcheck.org funded by the Annenberg Foundation of which Obama sat on the board of?

"Deceive me once shame on you, deceive me twice, shame on me!"

Conspiracy!!!!!!!

They have the choice to knock off this nonsense anytime they feel like it.

How can anyone think when you have a Top Secret clearance as a member of various Senate committes you haven't been thoroughly vetted?

One by one the FoxNews bullshit claims - like the most recent '46% of doctors will quit medicine if HCR passes' - are thoroughly debunked.

BTW, that pic is exactly what a 'Birth Certificate' looks like for anyone BORN in Hawaii then. Idiots.

They have shown it. Some are just too stupid to have noticed.

Purdy pictures too:

www.factcheck.org

#43 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-03-17 11:29 PM

BTW, that pic is exactly what a 'Birth Certificate' looks like for anyone BORN in Hawaii then. Idiots.

#50 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-03-17 11:44 PM

So you send me to a link of the birth certificate, tell me that they are purdy pictures of it, and then say it's only a picture of what a birth certificate looks like when I question it. Then you call everyone idiots? Confused?

KBM

The quote is actually:

"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in (pause) Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on (pause) - shame on you. Fool me (pause) - can't get fooled again.

- George W Bush

No AU--there is a difference.

The "Health Department holds Obama's original birth certificate."

That certificate is not the one that is in your link of photos which is dated June 6, 2007.

(Obviously)

Obama probably ordered that when he started his run for pres. which would be weird since he should have had one before that one was issued.

T MAN

No, you're an idiot if you don't believe Obama was born in Hawaii. Just like all the other idiots who believe that.

You've just been shown a picture of it - which is what you get if you were born in Hawaii back then. The 2007 stamp is the date the copy was made. Are you disputing what the officials quoted at FactCheck said?

They aren't going to mail you a copy for your shits and giggles, idiot.

It's a copy. FactCheck's put this nonsense to bed for non-lunatics.

"Obama probably ordered that "

Uh huh. Hey goofy, when are you going to unveil the Michelle Obama "whitey" tape?

Here's a 'Birth Certificate' from another Hawaiian born in 1963. They aren't titled "Birth Certificate", they're titled "Certificate of Live Birth".

AU--

The photos you linked are NOT of the original BC.

It is a Certificate of Live Birth.

If you lose your original birth certificate--you can go online and order it from the State you were born in.

They will send you a Certificate of Live Birth--just like the one in your pics.

They have the original--which they have never shown.

The stamp is the date that particular certificate was ordered--June 6, 2007.

One wonders how a State Government has the authority to give orders to the Federal Executive? This would be overturned very quickly by the Federal courts if it ever became law.

#10 | Posted by Monstman at 2010-03-17 06:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

States set their own election rules and ballot requirements, Bozo.

Null--you have no sense of humor--you are dull--ar ar ..

The document in the link is dated June 6, 2007.

That is the date the Health Department created that Certificate of Live Birth.

People are yelling about seeing the original BC.

You know--as in the original. They say they have it--they should show that and all this brouhaha would go away.

Here's a 'Birth Certificate' from another Hawaiian born in 1963. They aren't titled "Birth Certificate", they're titled "Certificate of Live Birth". (get it?)

"That is the date the Health Department created that Certificate of Live Birth."

And another Murphy post is debunked as pure bullshit.

In related news, the sun will rise in the east tomorrow.

No, he's not really a 'THRID'.

It's a 3rd example of a 1963 Hawaiian Birth Certificate (which are NOT called "birth certificates", but "Certificate of Live Birth")

The photos you linked are NOT of the original BC.
Murphy-
re:
It is a Certificate of Live Birth.

If you lose your original birth certificate--you can go online and order it from the State you were born in.

They will send you a Certificate of Live Birth--just like the one in your pics.

They have the original--which they have never shown.

The stamp is the date that particular certificate was ordered--June 6, 2007.

#58 | Posted by MURPHY at 2010-03-18 12:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

Do you have a point, or are you just throwing shit at the wall?

Wow! So, you mean Obama doesn't have a passport?

That bastard!

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2010-03-17 05:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just curious .... anybody ever seen Obama's passport?

When he flies on Air Force One I doubt he has to go through customs and immigration like I do.

I'd like to see his American passport, and the date it was issued.

Vernon-
re: I'd like to see his American passport, and the date it was issued.

#66 | Posted by vernon at 2010-03-18 12:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'd like to see yours, given that you have found more fertile ground evading US taxes by living abroad while also keeping your US get-home-safe card just in case...

VERN

Well, let's see, genius...

- Obama traveled to and lived in Indonesia as a young child.

- Visited relatives growing up

- Traveled abroad as a college student.

- Traveled abroad as an adult

And so on ...

VERN

Let's see, genius

Traveled to Indonesia as a 4 year old?

Hmmm:

Guess you add 4 years to 1963 and you have the year his passport was issued.

Any guesses, VERN?

I do believe Obama is legal, first of all

But it has to make you wonder why on his very first day in office he signs EO 13489 barring the release of said certificate.

Now either their is something there that might be fishy or he is one hell of a practical jokester and is having a good time watching the crazies.

Vernon-
re: When he flies on Air Force One I doubt he has to go through customs and immigration like I do.

Ya' think? Gee, Vernon, what fucking US President do you suppose had to go through "customs and immigration like [you] do"?

Do you ever pause before you post something so stupid? Ever? Do you ever think about the stupid shit you post? Ever?

My son is going for Marine OCS and I gave him his birth certificate from Louisiana. His CO sent it back saying that he needed "A Certificate of Live Birth"

WTF?

#70 | Posted by FedorWand

Because crazy idiot nutbags made an issue out of a non-issue during the campaign, and he probably doesn't want crazy idiot nutbags having copies of his birth certificate.

He allowed a copy to be photographed. One that looks like every other 1963 Hawaiian "Certificate of Live Birth" (Hawaiian form of 'birth certificate')

EDDIE

This is what a Louisiana birth certificate, i.e. 'Certificate of Live Birth' is supposed to look like:

But doesnt that just add fuel to the fire and give them more credence? It looks really bad
And he's the president of the free world-- I dont think theres a whole lot one could do with the information even if they got the original. You cant really steal his identity

Same stupid piles of Republican Base that refuse to believe the President was born in Hawaii also don't believe in Anthropomorphic Global Warming.

Go figure...

re: But doesnt that just add fuel to the fire and give them more credence? It looks really bad
And he's the president of the free world-- I dont think theres a whole lot one could do with the information even if they got the original. You cant really steal his identity

#76 | Posted by FedorWand at 2010-03-18 12:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

No, it makes you look like the lunatic fringe, and it associates all of conservatism and the Republican Party with your inability to accept a black man as president, dude.

That's how it plays out.

I find it beyond amusing that even stating the situation to you plainly will only steel your resolve.

In hindsight, I'd like to see George W Bush's 'birth certificate'.

There are those who rightly suspect he was dropped from a draft horse's ass.

Betelg,

Its Executive Order 13489 barring the release of his birth certificate which seems to fall in line with the title of said post

And did I anywhere say his isnt a citizen or that he's hiding something, no i didnt!I think its funny bc the crazies feed on it. It does however give them something legit to chew on and run with. I pointed out a fact, thats all

But i guess an adult conversation is to much to ask from some

Betelg,

Can you read--you know top to bottom, left to right. You group words together to make what we call "sentences"

I simply pointed it out and said that it gives the people, NOT ME, who believe he is not a citizen fuel to continue their crazy campaign

Notice how im calling them CRAZY-- simple deduction would lead you to the conclusion im not one of them

Take your time and sound it out

Its Executive Order 13489 barring the release of his birth certificate

#81 | Posted by FedorWand at 2010-03-18 01:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

No. That's the stupid shit you heard and choose to believe because you are prone to believe any bullshit that confirms your ridiculous conspiratorial denial of the results of the last presidential election.

But you do a great service. Carry on.

FEDORWAND

You asked questions from what seemed to me to be a 'Devil's advocate' POV. This subject is just another matter right wing lunatics have pounded on among dozens of other non-issues or later debunked FoxNews talking points. The latest: 46% of doctors will quit if HCR passes. DE BUNKED! The New England Journal of Medicine said they never did such a poll.

BTW, welcome to DR.

Betelg, don't be such a douche bag.. sheesh..

EO 13489 does state that records regarding the president cannot be released without the standing presidents authorization and that does include his birth certificate..

The guy had a valid point. It's fun to watch some people shit themselves trying to either defend or condeme the president's "picture" of a birth certificate. And AMERICANUNITY is "Certificate of Birth" crazy posting images, he found online, of birth certificates from Louisiana to someone who lives in Louisiana.. hahaha

Betelg

They make medicine for what you have--lithium

Seriously, a simple google search can find it
And it was talked about ad nauseum around April 09 but I guess the bubble you live in is thicker than we once thought

Again, carry on. Carry on, carry on...

BETELG

It didn't seem to me FERORWAND was taking the side of the birthers but playing Devil's Advocate.

Anyway, this whole thing about Obama's birth certificate is an argument the 'certifiable' have raised for over a year. They have nothing else, so it's one thing, then it's another non-issue or bullshit FoxNews talking point.

Now, VERN ... he's a whole 'nother story. Lunatic fringe.

Hope you're having a good one.

AU

And AMERICANUNITY is "Certificate of Birth" crazy posting images, he found online, of birth certificates from Louisiana to someone who lives in Louisiana.. hahaha

Idiot, read EDDIE's post and get back to us. I was helping him out:

My son is going for Marine OCS and I gave him his birth certificate from Louisiana. His CO sent it back saying that he needed "A Certificate of Live Birth"

WTF?

#72 | Posted by Eddie at 2010-03-18 12:33 AM

Go pleasure yourself or something.

Last post to T MAN

Hello AU and thank you

I definitely like seeing and hearing both sides before i speak--regardless of how crazy what im seeing or hearing is.

Moreover, I think this issue should be a litmus test to separate RINOs from real conservatives. You should demand that Republicans running for office sign on to the "birther" ledger, deny the Darwinists and the global warming euro-socialists, and adopt the gold standard. That and, well, what else would you suggest?

YW FEDORWAND

You have to understand there are lots of idiots like T MAN, who don't bother reading up a couple posts to see I'm responding to another poster (who happens to be far right).

So, no matter how many times you post facts, how many times FoxNews claims are debunked, idiots will still repeat the same old crap - in this case, well over a year.

Anyway, stick around. Reasonable conversations happen once in awhile LOL

BETELG and FEDORWAND

My wife bought a chair she wanted - in St. Louis! I'm driving up there tomorrow to get it for her and bring it home. I'd better see if I can get some zzzzzzzzz's

"Happy wife, happy life" - Rod Stewart

No truer words were ever spoken! LOL

Y'all have a good one!

Any Republican who is unwilling to bite the head off of a live Goat should immediately be banned from the party and labeled a liberal pantywaist socialist animal lover. (Animal lover in the bad, PETA be kind to animals way, not the loving, non-zipper wearing manly Republican way.)

Michael Steele.

AmericanU-
Can you really have a serious conversation with someone who thinks that the democratically elected president of the US is an illegal alien involved in a cover-up of his citizenship status?

Really? (Because that requires ridicule, not tea and make-nice)

What I dont get is what are people who truly believe he isnt a citizen going on? Besides things like EO 13489, what have they actually seen that would lead them to that conclusion?
I mean, I hope to god they arent getting this pissy over word of mouth information.

But maybe one day they'll come to their senses when they live alone in the house at the end of the street that all the kids tell stories about like the Burbs

FEDORWAND

They have their panties in a wad because:

Obama's a:

- Democrat
- Half Black
- From 'exotic' Hawaii
- They're out of their minds with FoxNews dribble

I posted this earlier. I stand by it LOL:

In hindsight, I'd like to see George W Bush's 'birth certificate'.

There are those who rightly suspect he was dropped from a draft horse's ass.

FEDOR-
re: What I dont get is what are people who truly believe he isnt a citizen going on? Besides things like EO 13489, what have they actually seen that would lead them to that conclusion?
I mean, I hope to god they arent getting this pissy over word of mouth information.

But maybe one day they'll come to their senses when they live alone in the house at the end of the street that all the kids tell stories about like the Burbs

#97 | Posted by FedorWand at 2010-03-18 01:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

Once you actually read the EO, how about if you post the bit that blocks the first black president's birth records.

Just for kicks....

I definitely like seeing and hearing both sides before i speak--regardless of how crazy what im seeing or hearing is.

One side, the 'birthers', are out of their freakin' minds. Ever try to have a conversation with someone in an insane asylum? I haven't, but I can imagine it'd be about like arguing with 'birthers' and FoxNews hounds.

I am just curious what legal authority approved Obama's birth certificate as proof of him being a natural born citizen?

Whats to keep any foreigner from claiming the right to run for president of the United States if there is no legal authority to check ones credentials?

Hey Buzzzzzzzzzz. Did you hear the Obama is a Muslim? I heard that today on Fox. He might even be black!!!!

Oh Obamas a MUSLIM alrite!!!.....
......HES gonan take away librarys.....
....YA! Thiers a real good reson why he isnt showing it! Anyone born in Hawaii isnt american......He probobly wasnt even born!
Ha...this woman just looked at me. Hey babe...Im gonna give her some good bl2....ya

AFLAC

"Can you really have a serious conversation with someone who thinks that the democratically elected president of the US is an illegal alien involved in a cover-up of his citizenship status?"

That requires, among other things, ignoring the fact that his mother was an American citizen, rendering all other arguments, laughable pathetic lying ignorant bullshit that they are, moot.

"Nearly half of the Arizona legislature - all Republicans - are downright insane."

Thanks, Jeff!

Betelg,

Look at post #85--you have to do a little deductive reasoning. It blocks ALL of his personal records.

I hear Nickelodeon in the morning is good for beginning readers--does everything have to be laid out for you in black & white

BTW--are you the person on this board that likes to pick fights, just prod at people til they react?

If asked why they're doing it these elected officials will erect a force field of God, the flag and the American way. This may fool some people, certainly the ones who put them in office in the first place, but most of us know that this is just a continuation of the incessant right wing campaign to discredit and weaken our president which has been going on from the day the American people elected him.

Republicans are not fit to govern when they behave the way they have been doing these last ten years or so.

Name one President whose original "birth certificate" you saw.

One, you stupid motherfucker.

#74 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-03-18 12:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

No other president had a questionable place of birth, you stupid motherfucker.

I never had need to see proof of birth, you stupid motherfucker.

All I said was that we've never seen his passport. And of course, nobody is going to ask the brown guy on Air Force One for his passport.

BFD if he travelled as a child to Indonesia or Kenya. What passport did he travel on?

If it was an American passport just produce the old one with the visa stamps. How hard can that be?

Instead, the Holy One issues an executive order to block it.

If Bush had issued an executive order to block his college records, freaks like Boyd would be scraping their brains off the wall

But because it is the Holy One trying to hide his past, any challenges are evil.

#109 | Posted by vernon at 2010-03-18 10:02 AM | Reply | Flag: still hasn't figured out Obama's mother was an American citizen

Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you Vermin?

Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you Vermin?

Vermin is about a sharp as a bowling ball and twice as dense.

Be Well.

What does desperation sound like?

Let's listen in ....

Because crazy idiot nutbags made an issue out of a

Guess you add 4 years to 1963 and you have the year his passport was issued. (nobody asked what year, dipshit)

Gee, Vernon, what fucking US President do you suppose had to go through "customs and immigration like [you] do"?

re: (further on the 'I can't believe some tax dodging ex-pat can't- ----- desperate, are we?;

also don't believe in Anthropomorphic Global Warming.

Go figure... because they are so closely related!

You're a MORON. That has nothing to do with his birth records. Someone dangled a number in front of you and you just swallowed it whole, fucking moron

it makes you look like the lunatic fringe, and it associates all of conservatism and the Republican Party with your inability to accept a black man as president ......... so where is the passport, dude?

#109 | Posted by vernon at 2010-03-18 10:02 AM | Reply | Flag: still hasn't figured out Obama's mother was an American citizen

Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you Vermin?

#110 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2010-03-18 10:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm an American and my wife is Filipina. Our child in September was born in Taiwan. We could have filed for any of three citizenships.

I can show his AMERICAN passport. I could scan it and post it online. it is not a hard fucking chore. But, of course, his AMERICAN passport exists in reality. Harder chore if the document never existed.

Just not the sharpest crayon in the special needs bucket, are you Zit?

#113 | Posted by vernon at 2010-03-18 10:26 AM | Reply | Flag: yup, not real bright

"But there are advantages to being elected President. The day after I was elected, I had my high school grades classified Top Secret."
~Ronald Reagan

I don't get the obsession with EO 13489:

"EO 13489 does state that records regarding the president cannot be released without the standing presidents authorization and that does include his birth certificate.."

Yes, it does include that, but it's nowhere in the order. The original sentence suggested that he signed an order designed to prevent his certificate from being released. That's hardly clear from reading the order.

"At the end of Obama's presidency, I bet he releases his birth certificate just to get you to STFU. Until then, he's got a great non-issue to keep you focused on and away from the real issues."

That's what I've been thinking. Misdirection.

Arizona and Texas and South Carolina, racing neck-and-neck-and- neck to the bottom of the Intelligence Derby.

Yes, it does include that [the birth certificate], but it's nowhere in the order. #117 | Posted by pragmatist at 2010-03-18 11:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

No sir, EO 13489 does not include PERSONAL records of any president. The Presidential Records Act of 1978, which defines "Presidential Records", specifically states that Presidental and Personal Records are to be maintained separately.

"The term "Presidential records" means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise and assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term...does not include...personal records"

The most ironic thing about the birthers' campaign to discredit Obama is that, were it be be successful, Biden - BIDEN! - would become the president. Who in their right mind wants THAT?

I have never subscribed to the birther B.S. But now I can't help but wonder why he still refuses to produce it. Is there a problem or is he such a narcisist that he thinks that he doesn't have to play by the same rules as the rest of us.

Same rules as the rest of us?

How many of "us" have had our citizenship challenged with lawsuits covered by the national media?

Have you?

What rules, exactly, is he not playing by that "us" are required to abide by?

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE MAKE THIS AN ISSUE IN 2012.

Americans have already decided the birthers are nuts and if you would be so kind as to further alienate the voting public, that would be great.

Thanks.

There's no lesson in getting kicked by a mule the second time! - Sen. Sam Ervin

Isn't factcheck.org funded by the Annenberg Foundation of which Obama sat on the board of?

#47 | Posted by T_Man

You may have stumbled on to an intersting fact. Wouldn't that shine a dim light on all the stuff they publish?

The last I checked, states still had the right to govern themselves in state-related matters. Seeing as elections are a state-related matter, Arizona has the right to make this rule.

They are not attempting to give orders to the chief executive. They are setting a standard for all would-be candidates who want to appear on their ballots. If this law is passed, President Obama would not be required to show his birth certificate. However, if he didn't produce his birth certificate to the proper authorities in Arizona, then Candidate Obama would be ineligible to stand on Arizona's ballot as a presidential candidate.

Seeing as elections are a state-related matter, Arizona has the right to make this rule.

That is correct so long as they require it of ALL Candidates and not just some.

That is correct so long as they require it of ALL Candidates and not just some.

That is why I said, "They are setting a standard for all would-be candidates who want to appear on their ballots." There is nothing in the language of the legislation that requires it only of Obama. It would require it for all.

So you accept Obama's passport as proof he is a citizen?

#33 | Posted by snoofy

He mentioned looking at his passport in a box in one of his memoirs. Why not just show that one? Or, was it not a US one?

I think he most likely fudged some application information to get free bennies. Foreign student aid and such.

#130

Oh wait, he was looking at his birth certificate

"No, he doesn't have a US birth certificate. Also, his grades are sealed because A) They sucked, but he was a token so passed B) They showed he was on scholarship as a foreign national C) His title was "Pope of Outerspace"

#25 | Posted by RIGHTPOLICY "

Cockmeat, they don't give out the original record. If Obama ordered his birth certificate they would make a COPY of it. Shitheads like you would not be satisfied with that either.

Considering how well Congress and the White House has handled debt, I would think proof of a birth certificate is the least we need.

Proof of a lot more should be requested.

As for the Constitutionality of the requirements?

General Welfare.

"I know reading long government documents filled with legalese is boring and time consuming, but if you're using those documents to "prove a point", at least try to understand the true meaning."

It was not I trying to prove the point, so I hope you weren't aiming that at me. Though I did agree with the "including," so I stand corrected. Thank you. I skimmed--I'll admit it. I was merely trying to show that the implication that he signed the order to prevent the release of said birth certificate is unfounded. It seems I am right there, no?

+++++

And btw, no matter who has sat on the board of the Annenberg Foundation, factcheck.org is considered a right-leaning site. Maybe only mildly, but that's what I've read in several places. Go figure. I also think it's odd that one would leap from the idea that a certain person sitting on a certain organization's board means that person has some sort of large control over that organization. Hm. I guess the lefties were then right about Cheney and Halliburton, eh?

The most ironic thing about the birthers' campaign to discredit Obama is that, were it be be successful, Biden - BIDEN! - would become the president. Who in their right mind wants THAT?

#119 | Posted by bartimus at 2010-03-18 11:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'll take Biden over Obama anyday.

Biden probably can't find his way home most of the time (that's why he rode the train so often) let alone figure out how to subvert the constitution and INTENTIONALLY screw a nation.

Come to think of it, Obama couldn't either.

Soros is getting big returns on his money.

I'd bet Soros funded much of Barry's indoctrination.

I'd bet Soros funded much of Barry's indoctrination.

Posted by porkchop at 2010-03-18 09:07 PM

Does this have anything to do with the thermite charges in the WTC, or are you a separate brand of fucking conspiratorial lunatic?

Who paid for his education, Betelg?

We can't find out, now can we?

Let me guess, Porkchop:

1. You're stupid

2. You hate Obama for reasons you don't really understand.

3. You rely on other stupid people who hate Obama for reasons they don't understand to tell you why you hate him.

Most odd of these reasons is that Obama is stupid, like you. On the one hand, you would think it would endear you to him, as it did with Bush, but I suspect another motive at play: You must think Obama is stupid to rid yourself of your well-grounded fear of intellectual inadequacy. I'm sure there's a racial component in there as well, but far be it from me to judge that.

"Does this have anything to do with the thermite charges in the WTC, or are you a separate brand of fucking conspiratorial lunatic?"

Didn't the bit about "INTENTIONALLY screwing the nation" give something important away? Jesus, in my darkest anti-Bush moments (or anti-Bush I or anti-Reagan), I never felt or thought that the president was intentionally hurting the country. I find comments like Porkchop's unfathomable. The whole idea could make a good movie, though.

Who paid for his education, Betelg?

We can't find out, now can we?

#136 | Posted by porkchop at 2010-03-18 09:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

You think George Soros paid for his education?

...oh, fuck it!

Later blog.

I watched the guy (Obama) get interviewed last night on Fox news.

When he said he didn't care about the process (meaning constitutional proceedure) he should have immediately been stipped of his office.

It may not bother you, want something for nothing blind sheep, but it sure as hell bothers alot of people.

And more than you know.

This is just pure racism and/or stupidity. Not ONE single president in my lifetime ever had to put up with this birther nonsense. Now, suddenly, the first black one does?

Where's Bush's birth certificate? Reagan's? Clinton's?

You people give morons a bad name.

"When he said he didn't care about the process (meaning constitutional proceedure) he should have immediately been stipped of his office."

1. Did he really say he doesn't care about constitutional procedure?

2. Do you? Saying something dumb about the constitution or any congressional procedure is not grounds for impeachment. (Hell, lots of us thought Bush should have been "stipped of his office" after lying to the American people and allowing the manipulation of data to get us into war, but even I wouldn't say that's grounds for impeachment. Another DR loon speaks out.)

1. Did he really say he doesn't care about constitutional procedure?

I can't wait to hear the answer to this. The context was obvious, the answer clear. I can post the entire transcript. Reading it is quite interesting. Baier does not come off well. Let's take just the relevant snippet:

BAIER: I understand what you're I know you don't like to talk about process, but there are a lot of questions in these 18,000 that talk about process.

OBAMA: I understand being

(CROSSTALK)

BAIER: And there are a lot of people around America that have a problem with this process.

OBAMA: Bret, I

BAIER: You called it an ugly process just last month.

OBAMA: I've got to tell I've got to say to you, there are a lot more people who are concerned about the fact that they may be losing their house or going bankrupt because of health care.

BAIER: OK, so we have

OBAMA: And so so the look

BAIER: Deem and passed, Senate reconciliation and we don't know exactly what's in the fix bill. Do you still think

OBAMA: No, we will by the time the vote has taken place, not only I will know what's in it, you'll know what's in it because it's going to be posted and everybody's going to be able to able to evaluate it on the merits.

But here's the thing, Bret, I mean, the reason that I think this conversation ends up being a little frustrating is because the focus entirely is on Washington process. And yes, I have said that is an ugly process. It was ugly when Republicans were in charge, it was ugly were in Democrats were in charge.

obama sure makes their blood boil, doesn't he?

Ah, I see. An ugly process, to some, means a stupid process. Wow. Quite a reading. At times, if this transcript is accurate, both come off sounding rather... inarticulate. But look at what Obama says at the end: BOTH parties are guilty of ugliness. Shit, man. Can't we all agree on that? (Oh, never mind. It's DR. We have to fight and try to piss all over each other. Whee. Or is that weewee?)

Axe wrote,

"Hey Buzzzzzzzzzz. Did you hear the Obama is a Muslim? I heard that today on Fox. He might even be black!!!!"

No, he is neither a muslim or black.

However, he is a communist, an idiot, and arrogant as hell.

"I'd bet Soros funded much of Barry's indoctrination.

#134 | Posted by porkchop"

Yeah NumbNuts now you are going to call Soros a communist although he is a billionaire and made his money in a pure capitalist play.

Has anybody else noticed the paranois that is running rampant among the Repugs lately?

Maybe it's my imagination but it seems to have quadripled the closer Obama gets to scoring a success he with his Healthcare reform.

The 'Woe is US' crowd is really turning it on.

Obama is a communist? When did he advocate that the government take over all private property and industry?

You know, buzzardkiller, when you go on a public forum and just make stuff up to sound smart, everyone else with a lick of brains knows you are an idiot. Go back to right wing chat room that spawned you, and do something about your attitude. The country is already full of people that hate the president because he is black and has a Muslim name.

"If Barry would just produce his birth certificate then those who are obsessed with his will shit the fuck up. What isthe fucking problem?"

As long as one group of opponents is willing to make fools of themselves, why stop them?

The birth certificate was already produced. These fuckheads that beleive he is not a US Citizen are too fucking stupid to believe anything that contradicts what they are told on fucksnews.

I'd bet Soros funded much of Barry's indoctrination.

#134 | Posted by porkchop at 2010-03-18 09:07 PM | Reply | Flag: REEEEETARD

There's about a dozen right-wing billionaires financing the RNC and all the wingnut "think tanks", newspapers (Murdoch, Moon, Koch), but you get all bent out of shape because Soros is a Democrat and therefore "evil". Pathetic.

Wow....lets insult them and maybe they will not address that we are not responding to the fact that Obama has not provided his, but has instead, spent millions preventing disclosure....

You actually believe that? Based on what?

Wow....lets insult them and maybe they will not address that we are not responding to the fact that Obama has not provided his, but has instead, spent millions preventing disclosure....

There is only one original shit for brains. Hawaii does not release originals. Get over it.

#155 I got the same message. Left wing hackers are having a feild day. Serves them right for even reporting such stupid nonsense.

Here's the correct link to the story:

Way to go, Arizona....

"Birthers" wish to confirm only what is legitimate.

"HIDERS" are trying to keep the missing 'certificate' hidden.

Wow....lets insult them and maybe they will not address that we are not responding to the fact that Obama has not provided his, but has instead, spent millions preventing disclosure....
All you need to do to establish United States citizenship is show a United States passport.

"Birthers" wish to confirm only what is legitimate.
His passport is confirmation of his citizenship.

And when the link is blocked they recorded my computer IP address and asked me to enter my Name, Email, Company, Country, and State.
They should have asked to see your birth certificate too. Then maybe you'd realize what you sound like.