It's become boldly obvious that Math nor Common Sense are prerequisite to becoming President of the United States.

No child left behind.

damn that teleprompter... must be an evil white right-wing republican teleprompter that slipped that into his speech.

Hahahahah thats fucking hilarious.

If he was able to make insurance companies pay us to carry health insurance, then he will win 2012 with 240% of the popular vote and win 970 votes in the electoral college.

he misspoke obviously. I hated stupid fucking articles like this when bush or cheney said something like this wrong.

same goes for this shit.

christ, on another thread we have dumbfucks still bringing up stupid shit Dan Quayle said 20 fucking years ago.

but to be fair, any promise Obama makes regarding the savings in health insurance premiums is crazy. He doesn't need to do that.

After all, he has shills like Corky, Doc, Danni etc all proclaiming it will get cheaper without Obama promising anything.

And then there's the shill for all things insurance.
Hey there, Eberly.

For the record, the Massachusetts health care plan is deep in the red. If Romney runs for president, I wonder how he's going to hide that fiasco.

I think this is funny and just proves that he only says things about what he is going to do, without knowing whether he is going to be able to do them or not. Think about the C-Span promise originally.

Gee, I dunno. When was Romney governor last?

Lettuce's definition of "shill" = knowledge of how insurance works.

You've never successfully proved that you actually know anything. Shill.

to you perhaps, Lettuce. to you.

here is a suggestion....you could try a little objectivity.

I know.....way too much to ask.

Look pal, I had uncles that worked for the "insurance industry" their whole lives. Lumping healthcare in with property and casualty is a fool's game, and we've figured out that the chumps driving up the cost are the insurance companies.
Anthem Blue Cross, anyone?

This is what used to be known as a "Bushism", and a couple of years ago, this thread would already be 100 posts long.

If Romney runs for president, I wonder how he's going to hide that fiasco.

#6 | Posted by Ray at 2010-03-16 10:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Romney's not even a contender.

I hope, anyway.

Look pal, I had uncles that worked for the "insurance industry" their whole lives.

I'll show you some mercy and leave that one alone.

and we've figured out that the chumps driving up the cost are the insurance companies.

yeah, it's all them. Doctors, Clinics, Hospitals, medical supply companies. Big Pharma, etc..

all of those guys are just in it for the pussy.

LOL

or maybe it is a team effort on everyone's part?

Romney's not even a contender.

I hope, anyway.

#14 | Posted by porkchop

C'mon Eberly. You know doctors, right? Ones that don't work for the VA, right? Ones that work for some HMO, right? How rich are they? Puh-lease.

If people can't afford their premiums and drop out, we'll just jack up the premiums for the folks that are left by 40%. THAT'LL FIX IT.

Fucking shill.

lettucecrylikeabitch,

unlike you, I am not painting anybody with a broad brush.

face it, you can't look at this problem with even a shred of objectivity.

you are full of hateful energy.

insurance companies are part of the problem. yes.

insurance companies are obviously going to part of the solution. or are you too stupid to even know that?

I'm off to bed now.

but continue your rants lettuce. I promise to check them in the morning.

But remember....tomorrow, all of these things will happen....

a medical supply company will make an obscene profit on a hospital bed

a pharma company will make an obscene profit on a drug

a hospital administrator will cut jobs that provide care and and get a bonus

same goes for a CFO of a medical clinic

and yes, an insurance company will deny a claim on purpose specifically to make an obscene profit.

but you go ahead and worry about that last one while ignoring all the others .......

....and foolishly believe that eliminating insurance companies (which we aren't even doing) will solve all the problems....

.....and call people like me a "shill" for attempting to educate you on how "insurance works".

"lettucecrylikeabitch"

that's ad hominem, shill.

"insurance companies are obviously going to part of the solution."

Not necessarily, and there's the rub. And thus, you shill.

Dufus in Chief needs to learn something--anything about something.

3,000%

Like the gov't is going to write checks out to people.

LOL

insurance companies are obviously going to part of the solution. Eb

Eb--there won't be an insurance industry if this passes.

It will be gone.

He misspoke. Big deal.

We have no idea what W said. HIS 'town halls' were closed to the public. You had to be a true believer to even get in. TV cameras were never allowed.

Eb--there won't be an insurance industry if this passes.

It will be gone.

#25 | Posted by MURPHY

Bull fucking shit. They'll have 30 million new customers.

"Customer" denotes a willful transaction. I don't consider myself a customer of the Social Security Administration, or the IRS.

You liberals are all the same. You want to keep the government out of your bedroom, but you don't mind putting a gun to the head of every American so you can get what you want.

22%. Not much longer. America's sick and tired of people like you, and this clown who's sitting in the White House.

but you don't mind putting a gun to the head of every American so you can get what you want.

So they're putting a gun to their own head to get what they want?

Obviously they don't know what's good for them. Good thing people like JPW and AU are around to tell them, and to throw them into jail if they don't go along.

3000 percent, $3000 dollars--either way, Obama pulled the number out of his ass.

Use your heads for a change. Do you REALLY believe that you can cover another 30 million people, AND improve health care delivery, AND cut costs? Are you really that stupid?

Quit your crying RIR. So what if your taxes rise? Won't it be worth the peace of mind knowing 30 million more Americans have access to good preventive medical care?

I know what's good for me: Being able to buy affordable health insurance from a large pool at better rates.

I know what's good for my wife: She buy her employees health insurance at more affordable rates.

I know what's good for most employees who are paying more and more and more out of pocket, more and more of their premiums, not getting raises as their employers pay more and more and more and more for insurance.

I know what's good for people who get sick and dropped, find it impossible once they are to buy insurance, or are priced out of the market completely.

The GOP had years to address this and didn't.

In that time premiums doubled. Dumbassed hypocrites.

Eb--there won't be an insurance industry if this passes.

It will be gone.

#25 | Posted by MURPHY

I have to respectfully disagree with you on this one Murphy. Right now, a large percentage of Blue Cross's income is derived from processing claims for various govt welfare health coverage plans. Even with the HORRIBLE concept of capitalism (a word that kinda makes the lefties throw up a little in their mouths), BC can do it cheaper.

All that will happen is that the insurance companies will only have 1 client, the govt. They will still shuffle paperwork, there will just be an extra thick layer of paper-shuffling assholes (that make 20% more than the average worker in this country) added to the top to suck up health care dollars. This will of course cause additional waiting for care, and more dead people, but libbies appear to be OK with people dying earlier, as long as the ebil rich folk and the middle class get the same shitty service as the poor get today.

Obviously they don't know what's good for them. Good thing people like JPW and AU are around to tell them, and to throw them into jail if they don't go along.

LOL you're quite the drama queen aren't you?

Quit your crying RIR. So what if your taxes rise? Won't it be worth the peace of mind knowing 30 million more Americans have access to good preventive medical care?

#31 | Posted by jackass

They have the same access as everyone else and they should have to pay for it like everyone else.

Unless your talking free care. Then they already have greater access. Try not paying for service if you even look like you can afford it.

Not only does he not understand basic math, he thinks he can say when an employer can afford to give someone a raise.

They have the same access as everyone else and they should have to pay for it like everyone else.

#36 | Posted by STIRSUMUP at 2010-03-17 04:54 AM

A lot of Americans fall into a gap where they don't make enough to get decent health care but make too much for medicaid. Obamacare will bridge that gap. You obviously don't care about the underinsured and the uninsured but the DNC does. You can make all the petty insults you want but the facts remain the same. This will get signed into law by hook or crook and you will have to help pay for it.

Quit your crying RIR. So what if your taxes rise? Won't it be worth the peace of mind knowing 30 million more Americans have access to good preventive medical care?

#31 | Posted by jackass

Frankly, jackass, no. Especially with such fraudulent numbers of "uninsured."

Some of those folks are underinsured. Some would tell you that we need to bring good coverage down so that all would be covered.

Some would have us believe that it wouldn't cover illegals, who happen to be people too.

Some would have us believe that innovation in health care would not be squelched even though innovators will no longer have incentive to innovate.

Some would have us believe that there would be efficiencies gained with an increase in patients but no increase in staff.

There are plenty of places I'd rather send my money voluntarily that can take care of people, such as charitable hospitals and related charities.

And I'd know that more of the dollars I give to that charity will actually go to help individuals who need help.

That the money I give them will be managed properly. Or they wouldn't be receiving it next time. No way to do that with a mandatory "contribution" via a tax increase.

In fact, the government's tax code currently encourages those contributions since charitable contributions are deductible.

And those contributions will continue to erode as the government forcibly takes that money out of people's pockets via the proposed change in the tax code.

There is no "Right" to health care. But we as Americans may take care of one another voluntarily.

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So here is a question, jackass. What percent of your income do you contribute to charities now? How much to charities that take care of people's health/dental care?

Or are you going to pull a "danni" and say "That's none of your business" and leave the obvious conclusion that you don't contribute to charities?

My answer, before you ask for it, is 6% of my net. Not to "my church" since I don't have one. But to different charities that care for people who need it.

And unfortunately, if my taxes rise because of health care, that contribution will diminish, since there will be less net income. And potentially, it will go completely away if the hit is bad enough.

Only 6%??? It should be closer to 50%! Don't worry though Obama will make sure you pay out more that a measly 6%. There will be no need for charities since taxes and govt agencies will replace them.

You still didn't answer my question, jackass.....

And the math errors continue:

And jackass, I appreciate that you couldn't refute any of my points either. Not that your opinion matters much beyond your own keyboard.

Not necessarily, and there's the rub. And thus, you shill.

Because I don't state that i hate as much as you?

crazy bastard.

The insurance industry isn't going away. They have the ability to shape up. They are just "unwilling".

that will change hopefully as a result of good healthcare reform.

Daprof the problem with charities is that most people don't give enough to them. The little you give isn't enough. I don't keep track of how much I give, but I trust uncle Sam with my money more than some corrupt charity.

Monday in Strongsville, Ohio, President Obama said that ObamaCare will reduce health insurance premiums by "3,000 percent."

jackass,

I'm calling you out again...you still haven't answered, though I'm sure you're ready or nearly so with your tax filing.

Avoiding the question doesn't answer it. Yep, you're pulling a "danni." So the real answer is "ZERO" that you give to charities and you're too ashamed to admit it....

Trusting the government more? I don't.

The amount I send in is used 100% by the charity, and of that 90% is a direct benefit to someone.

You don't know the amount I give. You only know what percentage I give.

Nice try to diminish something. However, your answer is a non-answer and an attempted deflection.

What percentage of the taxes I send in "for health care" would actually go to health care? Looking at any other governmental program, I'm guessing that it is significantly LESS than 90%.

So prove me wrong...what percentage of your net do you give to charity that relates to caring for someone with health problems?

If Bush said something like that this thread would have 3000% more comments.

No F-ing shit!

Click my userprofile - I made basically the same assertion earlier today. The MSM is a pathetic joke. Lefties bemoan conservative talk-radio and make some good points in the process. However, if the MSM actually did their fucking jobs, demand for right-wing talk would drop noticeably. Instead, the MSM prefers to serve as a PR-machine for an entity that every fiber of their education, training and instinct has taught them to be wary of.

Journalism died a long time ago and literally created a market for an opinionated counter-punch.

Context and full quotes are rather important.

, your employer it's estimated would see premiums fall by as much as 3,000 percent [sic], which means they could give you a raise. (Applause.)

Who will see the drop in rates? YOUR EMPLOYER. It is possible that employers are paying WAY more than they have to in order to cover their employees. Sounds fishy, but so does taking the quote out of context to make it appear he is promising every American a 3000% discount.

Don't go by the article on this when they include a link to the full quote:

Only liberals believe in self-defeating logic.

22%.

but so does taking the quote out of context to make it appear he is promising every American a 3000% discount.

I didn't construe that from his comments simply because that isn't what he said.

However, what he DID say was:

Raise your hands. All right. Well, a lot of those folks, your employer it's estimated would see premiums fall by as much as 3,000 percent [sic], which means they could give you a raise.

ALL politicians utter verbal-gaffes and make comments that are easily misconstrued. On its face I don't see how this comment can be construed as anything other than absurd bullshit. If a reasonable clarification or explanation exists I truly am open to it.

#45 Jackass> Daprof the problem with charities is that most people don't give enough to them.

It's the people's money to do with as they wish. I contribute to charities that make each dollar go much, much farther than any government agency could even dream about. Most of them have an overhead of 10% or less.

> The little you give isn't enough.

Sounds like you are channeling Danni?

> I don't keep track of how much I give, but I trust uncle Sam with my money more than some corrupt charity.

I think you said this just to yank his chain. Funny, but you avoided the issue entirely by tossing in 'corrupt charity' because you either think all charities are corrupt or you just can't compare an honest charity to the shenanigans of the federal government when it comes to financial matters.

Just ignore Jackass.

STEWART LAST NIGHT WITH JUDE LAW

jon asked him about health care in england and QUICKLY sent the discussion a different way when law said that 60% of the people liked it..many had thier own private insurance and problems were long waits and drs who didnt like it because of the lower salary..

our future at hand....and all of this adds up to

RATIONING....

but here is a question

will it fall that much in all FIFTY SEVEN STATES

ba dump dump

So prove me wrong...what percentage of your net do you give to charity that relates to caring for someone with health problems?

#47 | Posted by daprof at 2010-03-17 10:54 AM

Ok I came back with a rough calculation of 3-4% total for the year.

It's not how far your premiums fall, but rather how much more your tax bill will increase (and do not be foolish enough to think the wealthy will carry it [there are not enough wealthy]).

It's not how far your premiums fall, but rather how much more your tax bill will increase (and do not be foolish enough to think the wealthy will carry it [there are not enough wealthy]).

#58 | Posted by MSgt at 2010-03-17 02:22 PM

Maybe not but we need to at least try redistributing their wealth.

So,
If my taxes decrease, the amount that 4% represents will increase and charities will end up with more money.

If my taxes increase, then that 4% represents fewer dollars for charities.

So, at the same level of giving, less in taxes works to increase those charities' funds.

Government already takes a percentage of my income for medical assistance -- Medicare Tax. And they do such a fine job that it is well beyond the scope of its initial "design."

JACKASS: " Maybe not but we need to at least try redistributing their wealth."

With a pseudonym like JACKASS I just knew you were a funny guy. Yes, I gave you a FF.

Obama, the smartest Democrat in America is having a bumper week. He also spelled Syracuse wrong on his televised bracket picks and said the "Louisiana Purchase" will also cover the earthquake Hawaii went theough.

Obama: Louisiana, obviously, went through Katrina, and they're still trying to deal with the enormous challenges that were faced because of that.

OBAMA: That also I'm giving you an example of one that I consider important. It also affects Hawaii, which went through an earthquake. So that's not just a Louisiana provision. That is a provision that affects every state that is going through a natural catastrophe.

"In 1868 there was a major earthquake in Hawaii that killed 77 people. In 1975 an earthquake in Hawaii killed 2 people."

President Obama said that ObamaCare will reduce health insurance premiums by "3,000 percent.

WTF is he talking about? The most premiums can fall is 100%. A 3,000 reduction means the insurance companies would have to pay us more than what the insurance costs by 29 times the premium.

He misspoke. For 30 pieces of gold he'll go back and say 'thousand'. K?

three thousand dollars

What's the problem, AU? Are you deficient in math? You fell for the bullshit, didn't you?

RAY

Who in their right mind wouldn't know he misspoke - just like '57 states' (50 states 7 territories).

Keep saving your gold. I'll sell you cans of beans.

You want our government disbanded. I'm not for anarchy.

You're Chicken Little. I'm not.

Bye.

three thousand dollars

#65 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Even that number is ridiculous, and a lie.

Besides the pews were full and they applauded.

"You want our government disbanded. I'm not for anarchy." - AU

What a silly false dichotomy...... either you are for total government control of our economy, or you are for anarchy.

My take on what Ray preaches is living within your means, at all levels. But I get from you that is asking too much, who is the wiser?

"that number is ridiculous, and a lie."

Prove it.

#68 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Those that want the government 'out of their lives' would be the first to bitch that it doesn't work. It's all pie-in-the-sky loonytunes right wing bullshit.

You're funny AU. "Keep your laws off my body!" "Pay as you go!" "Nobody should come between me and my doctor!" "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism!"

Then, O comes along . . .

Funny.

im just DAMN glad that it wasnt a gop who said this..
if so, we would have had to hear about it on all three majors and cnn and olberman would still be talking about it and stewart and colbert would still be having theme shows on a 'stupid' remark from the gop..

WHEW!!!!!!!!!!!!

You want our government disbanded. I'm not for anarchy.
You're Chicken Little. I'm not.
#67 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Anarchy? Disbanded? WTF are you talking about?

You worry about the wrong thing - Premiums, when the quality of care is paramount.

Read about what you have to look forward to:

I like this one.

Obama: "I don't spend a lot of time worrying about what the rules are"

He is a record setter though. He has spent $2,000,000,000,000.00 in just 421 days.

Now that is Change you can count!

Bushisms were all the rage with the liberals.

Obamisms are fair game for the conservatives.

Goose/Gander. Pot/Kettle.

Anything else is just plain dishonest.

Bushisms were all the rage with the liberals.

Obamisms are fair game for the conservatives.

Sure. Remember about the WMD in Iraq? The drones that could pepper our shores with chem. and bio. weapons? Remember how Iraq was linked with 9/11? Remember how Bush took a balanced budget and doubled the debt and also sent us into a major recession so frightening that Glenn Beck was crying for more bailout finds?

Or don't you remember?

Hello, McFly, aka Betelg...

We're talking about Obamisms, not about WMDs...but nice try at thread deflection.

And yes I remember. Heck, I can even stay on thread from time to time......