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Thursday, March 18, 2010

Poll: As the Pentagon prepares to survey soldiers about President Obama's decision to repeal Don't Ask, Don't Tell, a new poll of military personnel who served in the Afghanistan or Iraq wars has finds that sexual orientation is "not a burning issue that overwhelms veterans' lives." Seventy three percent of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans say "they are personally comfortable in the presence of gays and lesbians."

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BUT WHAT OF THE HORSES???

If 1 out of 20 people is gay, I have been deployed with gays, and I didn't notice. I had better things to do then go on fact finding missions.

I had better things to do then go on fact finding missions.

I don't get it. How could the threat of being jinxed in the ass by some fairy's magical meat-wand not destroy unit cohesion?

BUT WHAT OF THE HORSES???

Ever wonder why the army stopped using them?

Ah-HA!

Things are not as they seem when George Soro's "Think Progress" is concerned.

Vet Voice Foundation is not exactly as they seem either. "The Vet Voice Foundation is a non-partisan, non-profit organization". Where have we heard that before....Oh, Think Progress, Media Matters and other Soros organizations. Their poll numbers also show 34% favor openly gay. It's hard to tell from their poll but it looks like around 250 people were polled.

Jon Soltz, Chairman frequents "National Public Radio, the Alan Colmes show, Countdown with Keith Olbermann and Hardball with Chris Matthews. Also attended YearlyKos Convention" (wikipedia)

VoteVets, a "527" Political Organization shares the same address with $152,000 contributions received and $52,000 in expenditures.

So, it is a stretch to state "More Than 70% Of Iraq And Afghanistan Veterans Comfortable Serving Alongside Openly Gay Troops"

But it does make wonderful misleading headlines to push an agenda.

Oh, and Democratic firm Lake Research Partners did the foot work for the poll.

Nice.

D'UH.
soldiers just don't vare abiout that kinda bullshit.
trhye really ought to refuse to serve illegal actions once they've taken that Constitituional Oath.

this country is so braindead and morally bankrupt it's absolutely pathetic.

for example: those nutcase anti-gay protesters outside of wherever (funerals), absolutely have the right to do that on public property.

D'UH.
soldiers just don't vare abiout that kinda bullshit.
trhye really ought to refuse to serve illegal actions once they've taken that Constitituional Oath.

this country is so braindead and morally bankrupt it's absolutely pathetic.

for example: those nutcase anti-gay protesters outside of wherever (funerals), absolutely have the right to do that on public property.

Ichiro - WTF?

Gays have always been in the military. If you were in the military you served with gays. If you don't want to serve with gays in the military---don't join the military.

Simple isn't it.

During my time in the Corps, it is true we had better things to do than to figure out who was gay or not. We were to busy training, training and more training and then drinking, fighting and chasing tail (when we weren't training). Point being, us straight people didn't walk around strutting our straightness....I think if gays are allowed to serve openly it takes away from the professional attitude of the unit and Military. Sexual orientation is not related to the mission at hand in any way. While I think "Don't ask Don't tell" is a good policy, but if they do decide to overturn it, they should not make a huge deal about it, the gays shouldn't flaunt it and things should remain unspoken.

70 per cent?

Spud's guessing a demographic breakdown of that stat would show that the younger a military person is the more likely they are to have no problem serving with gays.

Equal right for gays in the military and in society generally is the future.

Discrimination based on prejudice is the past.

Speaking of which...

I think if gays are allowed to serve openly it takes away from the professional attitude of the unit and Military

WTF does that even mean?

Back in WWII the argument against allowing blacks to serve alongside whites was that it would "disrupt military cohesion" and for a time it did.

The armed services got over it and today all the services are completely integrated.

So, take a tip from history.

You need to get over it too.

K?

Be Well.

Serving with someone thats is a different color than you is much different than serving with someone with a different sexual preference. As for disrupting unit professionalism, it is not just about the straights being disrupted, but I know ALOT of people who wouldn't be so kind to gay's when they came out. You can say they need to get over all you want but the military's culture is what it is, especially in the Marines. In my opinion being gay and serving should not get you kicked out, but at the same time it shouldn't be overtly celebrated or made into a huge deal. Peoples personal lives serve no purpose in the field. Keep quite and do your own thing on your own time, thus not interfearing with training.

It's been a while, but during my enlistment in the Army, before DADT, I knew of several guys in my unit who were gay. Many did. They pulled their own weight, took care of their own business, and no one really cared. Once in a while some redneck would get a bug up his ass and start giving one a hard time, but one of the rest of us would chill him out. To the best of my knowledge no one ever reported them, or at least it was never acted on. I think DADT has been around unofficially for a long time. Removing the prohibition will be awkward and difficult at first, just as was integrating blacks, and, more recently women. Eventually, with some sensible rules of conduct applicable to everyone, it will not be an issue.

I think if gays are allowed to serve openly it takes away from the professional attitude of the unit and Military.

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We were to busy training, training and more training and then drinking, fighting and chasing tail (when we weren't training). Point being, us straight people didn't walk around strutting our straightness....I think if gays are allowed to serve openly it takes away from the professional attitude of the unit and Military.

Sexual orientation is not related to the mission at hand in any way. While I think "Don't ask Don't tell" is a good policy, but if they do decide to overturn it, they should not make a huge deal about it, the gays shouldn't flaunt it and things should remain unspoken.

#10 | Posted by wormfood

Worm, you completely contradict yourself in your own post. First you mention, "when we weren't training we were chasing tail", then you go on saying, "straight people don't go around strutting their straightness"... Ummm, you just proved you did.

And so you're probably thinking, "Uh no we weren't" but look at it this way, were you able to talk about your girlfriend? Did you ever talk about a girl to your unit? Did anyone ever show pictures of their family? There you go. That is you 'strutting your straightness'. The only thing is, you won't be kicked out for showing a bit of your life, a gay person will.

And your statement about allowing gays to serve makes them unprofessional, then I say fine. It shouldn't be professional to treat people as lesser humans. So grow up and be a man and face things, not hide them in a closet.

30% is a lot of people in a unit. Just like a a** hole mr. Macho guy, a flambouyant one would likely cause more issues. Each could be dealt with but one would then claim discrimination. If we want a strong group targeted effort with limited distractions, I unfortunately see some problems. Are they too much to deal with? I think the generals and higher ups in the militaru know and it would be interesting to see a commanding officers survey on whether it would make a sisgnificant difference.

You could also have an all gay troop?

It has taken me many a year to be accepting and still have hang ups (my issues) but there are many young people who till have not matured to an acceptance level, so I think the don't ask thing may well be best. At the same time while they're not telling, we don't need to be asking.

Gays have always been in the military. If you were in the military you served with gays. If you don't want to serve with gays in the military---don't join the military.

Simple isn't it.

#9 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Gays have always been in the priesthood, as well as Scout masters. If you have been to a Catholic church, or your boys have been involved with scouts, you've been with gays. If you don't want this then don't go to church, and don't have your boys join the scouts!

Divide and Conquer!

Nothing like taking a good pole, I say...

Should have been 69%.

Who gives a fuck what the troops think!?

Last I knew, the Military wasn't a democracy and your 'vote' certainly doesn't matter. I don't remember anyone asking me if I thought it would be OK to have women serve aboard the Combatant I was on.

Just deal with it.

How about we refer to gay vets from now on as
Vays.

Tiger150:

How about we just refer to them as "veterans?"

Gays are in the military, always have been and always will be. Get over it. In my time in Infantry and Artillery there were many and they all pulled their weight and never "hit" on anyone. Many of my fellow service members didn't have the faintest idea that their buddy was gay.

RET SFC USA

Should have been 69%.

#19 | Posted by tiger150 at 2010-03-18 11:55 AM | Flag: Likes Trucker Dunlaps

Poll: 100% of Canadian Voters OK Servicing Gays

to me this poll serves as argument for keeping the status quo...says vets are ok with serving w/ gays and lesbians precisely under this rule, which conditions the enviroment they've performed until now.... It doesnt mean they'd like to find out how things would be without it.

to me this poll serves as argument for keeping the status quo...

sounds like someone is not ready to come out of the closet yet

"sounds like someone is not ready to come out of the closet yet"

Sound like someone wants to be there to meet him with open uhh buttocks.

They love me, they really really love me.

101

But this change would definitely allow those patriotic but gay Young Republican teabaggers to finally enlist.

Somebody needs to be cannon fodder on the front lines.

Seriously, it is an all-volunteer force now. Heck, we even have women in the service now that do more than serve coffee and take notes.

If someone wants to serve, terrific. Just as long as they don't cross certain personal behavior lines, like sexual harassment.

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