Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Tuesday, March 16, 2010

A central figure behind CDC's claims disputing the link between vaccines and autism/neurological disorders has disappeared after officials discovered a massive taxpayer dollar theft and fraud. Thorsen was a leading member of a Danish research group that wrote key studies endorsing MMR vaccine and mercury-laden vaccines were safe for children. A new mandate requiring autism cases be reported in a registry and the opening of a clinic dedicated to autism in Copenhagen accounted for the sudden rise in reported cases rather than, as Thorsen suggested, the removal of mercury from vaccines. The CDC and MSM have used this as the basis for assurances that it is safe to inject young children with mercury, a potent neurotoxin, at concentrations hundreds of times over safety limits.

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"For the anti-vaccine movement, the problem with the idea that thimerosal-containing vaccines cause autism was always that it makes a testable hypothesis. Remove the thimerosal from vaccines, and autism rates should plummet. This experiment has been tried in at least three countries, and the results have always been the same. Autism rates continued to rise after thimerosal was removed from childhood vaccines. Indeed, thimerosal exposure from the vaccine schedule in the U.S. is currently lower than it was in the 1980s (there is still trace thimerosal in some childhood vaccines, and the flu vaccine still has thimerosal), but there has not been a decline in autism prevalence to what it was in the 1980s. The hypothesis that thimerosal causes autism has been roundly falsified, not just by the Danish studies but by several other studies."

"In the end, anti-vaccine propagandists are very much like creationists and other cranks. They focus on the person more than the science, and they labor under the delusion that there is a single study (or tiny handful of studies) that are the whole support for the scientific conclusions they despise and that, if destroyed, would lead to the edifice of the science they hate collapsing. That's why they prefer to attack persons rather than use evidence and reason to argue ideas. It's also why they are always seeking that one study that they can tear down and thus "prove" that evolution didn't happen, vaccines cause autism, the moon landing never happened, or the Mossad and the Bush administration were beind 9/11."

LR is one stupid cunt. Instead of presenting empirical evidence to support his line of quackery, that moronic sack of shit has his panties in a bunch over rumors concerning the fourth author on a couple of papers.

LR, a bit of advice: When you support yourself with pathetic attempts at character assassination instead of presenting scientific evidence, it's a good sign that you're full of crap.

#1 | Posted by LetUsPrey

Looks like another epic fail for the dumb motherfucker in the tin foil hat.

"...it's a good sign that you're full of crap."

Every post that moron makes is a good sign that he's full of crap.

Good point.

Guess he gave up on this thread. Pity. I do so enjoy a public flogging.

Guess he gave up on this thread. Pity. I do so enjoy a public flogging.

I imagine he'll be back when he thinks his critics have gone to sleep. Speaking of which... it's getting late and I have a date with a firepit and some red meat. I will have to make a point of returning at some point tonight so I can get in the usual laughs at the tin foil hat brigade.

I do so enjoy a public flogging.

Or maybe it's a case of the fish taking the bait.

#9 | Posted by Ray at 2010-03-16 10:09 PM | Reply | Flag: not real bright

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So this thread is the brainless demonizing the messenger for your own malfeasance. It's been over for your whole ilk. Is it completely laughable that you think you have any credibility to attack, especially on another scandal such as this one. It should have been a good sign for you that you basically nobody will back your shilldom fraud. You've managed to find the DR resident troller + 'Dave' to post ad hominem brainlessness.

No way to actually defend another major 'in bed' scandal uncovered between big pharma and fake research.

he'll be back when he thinks his critics have gone to sleep.

Nice try moron. I do have a life beyond feeling any 'need' to rebut your pathetic replies. It's so past your time to hang it up. You're done.

Hmmmmm RFK. Great source.

Have you ever listened to him talk? The guy's a retard with an ANNOYING ass, raspy voice.

Thorsen was a leading member of a Danish research group that wrote key studies endorsing MMR vaccine and mercury-laden vaccines were safe for children...The CDC and MSM have used this as the basis for assurances that it is safe to inject young children with mercury, a potent neurotoxin, at concentrations hundreds of times over safety limits.

So right out of the gate he starts with this predictable canard.

Thimerosal does NOT equal mercury. PERIOD.

Presenting it as such is dishonest and is used strictly for fear value.

And yet you want this to be taken seriously?

Questions about Thorsens's scientific integrity may finally force CDC to rethink the vaccine protocols since most of the other key pro vaccine studies cited by CDC rely on the findings of Thorsen's research group.

Not likely.

The efficacy and safety of vaccines is well established absent this guy or his work.

The validity of all these studies is now in question.

Not at all.

The data will be reviewed and we'll know for sure.

But unless the other authors were also in on the scam AND the corroborating studies from other countries must ALSO be frauds.

It's been over for your whole ilk.

LOL how many times have we heard LR_Cocksucker and other conspiracy nuts claim to be right on the cusp of whatever? TOO MANY TO COUNT!

Don't hold your breath LR.

On second thought, please do...

Is it completely laughable that you think you have any credibility to attack, especially on another scandal such as this one.

All the while you ignore or selectively forget the fraud that was perpetrated to start this whole scam to begin with.

What's Andrew Wakefield up to now?

It should have been a good sign for you that you basically nobody will back your shilldom fraud. You've managed to find the DR resident troller + 'Dave' to post ad hominem brainlessness.

You still post ad hominems while bitching about ad hominems. Are you trying to be ironical?

No way to actually defend another major 'in bed' scandal uncovered between big pharma and fake research.

You've yet to prove the research is fake and that this is more than a guy who saw an opportunity to steal a ton of money.

Nice try moron. I do have a life beyond feeling any 'need' to rebut your pathetic replies.

Read-'The aides came in and told me I had to get off the compute.'

It's so past your time to hang it up. You're done.

As opposed to you who never got started?

JPW - it's been proven that mercury ions denude nerves and kill them. In slugs, rats and humans - the same result. There is zero place for it in modern medicine - and those efficacy and safety questions have always been produced by medical persons, not just concerned citizens. I will always put more faith in the parents description of their children's behavioral changes post-mercury than any study, facility or association. Common sense indicates that the CDC has been covering this issue up for a long while now and ignoring the need for better than the obvious inadequate scientific studies performed by their shill interests is par for the course. It's commonly believed that the CDC lies regarding the safety of most of the vaccines which demonstrate physical and mental differences with children.

This commercial blog entry sums up the mercury issue easily (I included all of it's intentional links):

Naturally Healthy
By mmem700

Revolutionary thoughts about staying healthy naturally.

How Mercury Destroys Your Nerve Cells (video)
Tue Aug 25 15:11:09 EDT 2009

This famous video visualizes the demonstration by the University of Calgary that mercury tears apart nerve cells and leaves brain tissue in a condition virtually identical to Alzheimer's disease.

Mercury binds to tublin and actin and literally tears apart the nerve cell "insulation" leaving denuded neurofibrils (uninsulated nerves), much like electrical wires without their insulation.

This research represents a landmark in understanding the depth of the damage that mercury does to the body. It underscores the reasons why mercury should be removed from medicines and vaccines immediately.

Research has uncovered that mercury causes more than 130 of the world's most notorious diseases. Knowing that pharmaceutical companies make tremendous amounts of money "treating" the diseases that mercury causes, we have to ask ourselves if mercury poisoning is intentional.

How Mercury Damages Nerve Cells (video)

JPW - it's been proven that mercury ions denude nerves and kill them. In slugs, rats and humans - the same result. There is zero place for it in modern medicine

I agree.

The problem is that with the vaccine debate, we're not talking about mercury. We're talking about a mercury-containing preservative that turns in to ETHYL-mercury, an organic form of mercury (not the same meaning as Whole Foods organic...).

The video shows the addition of elemental mercury, not the organic form ethylmercury.

You're comparing apples and oranges.

- and those efficacy and safety questions have always been produced by medical persons, not just concerned citizens.

Hmmmm I remember some, but I remember the vast majority being laypeople.

I will always put more faith in the parents description of their children's behavioral changes post-mercury than any study, facility or association.

I never will. The human memory is extremely fallible, particularly when the subject matter is highly emotional and leaving people grasping for something, anything to blame.

Common sense indicates that the CDC has been covering this issue up for a long while now and ignoring the need for better than the obvious inadequate scientific studies performed by their shill interests is par for the course.

How much of the literature have you actually read? Or have you read condensed, reader's digest style summaries from anti-vax websites?

Common sense actually dictates that the CDC isn't covering anything, and that the simplest explanation is that people are confusing causation and correlation in their zeal to find a scapegoat.

It's commonly believed that the CDC lies regarding the safety of most of the vaccines which demonstrate physical and mental differences with children.

What's commonly believed doesn't really mean anything.

And there's yet to be any significant evidence indicating vaccines cause mental and physical changes in children.

.. And there's yet to be any significant evidence indicating vaccines cause mental and physical changes in children.
#15 | Posted by jpw at 2010-03-17 04:10 PM

Other than the CDC admission of falsification from their cover-up researcher in this very threads' article?:]

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