Rcade, can you please clarify the description of the article. You make it seem like James Dobson is his own friend who is close to himself with your wording.

This is the article's wording:

A prominent friend and supporter of James Dobson believes Dobson was pushed aside by the new leadership of Focus on the Family, who want the powerhouse evangelical ministry to project a softer image on issues ranging from abortion to gay marriage to relations with President Obama.

This is your wording:

James Dobson believes Dobson was pushed aside by the new leadership of Focus on the Family, who want the powerhouse evangelical ministry to project a softer image on issues ranging from abortion to gay marriage to relations with President Obama, according to Pastor Ken Hutcherson, a prominent friend and supporter.

Either way, I am not a big fan of James Dobson. I think that sometimes he is misunderstood, but other times he is just being crass.

I think he is one of the people who don't take enough time to understand all of the intricacies of the information and situation. He is too subjective, and sometimes too Objective.

And another one bites the dust and another one and another one gone....

Bit by bit the the Christian mythology is falling apart and soon we will be free of their tyranny.

James Dobson is an immoral sack of shiat and Focus on the Funding does well here to disavow themselves of his blatant insanity.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Be Well.

Bit by bit the the Christian mythology is falling apart and soon we will be free of their tyranny.

#3 | Posted by richardspirit

Tyranny? What tyranny? A little hyperbole? A lot of hyperbole?

Dobson's plans to step down have been telegraphed for years.

Non-story.

#3 | Posted by richardspirit at 2010-03-12 10:13 AM | Reply | Flag

I don't think many people believe that the Christian Mythology rests with James Dobson.

EXP

No but the net result of things such as this are going to cascade into an overall decline in religious insanity.

As people let go of these psychos that dominated they are going to become more open and receptive to other ideas eventually leading many to leave Christianity altogether.

#8 | Posted by richardspirit at 2010-03-12 10:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

Richard, the people that are going to leave have already left for all practical reasons, albeit it is in attitude, mentality and practice, and not necessary physical attendance and membership.

"Christianity" has always been much smaller than it appeared.Lots of fluff and people who desire to believe, but not really.

#1 exprs
was pushed aside by the new leadership of Focus on the Family

We'll see if there is any retraction/correction of a schizophrenic sounding description.

Of course, if this were a 'D', political figure written by an 'R', the headline would be considered misleading as he wasn't actually ousted.

Dobson hired his own replacement many months ago announcing he would be retiring in February.

#4 | Posted by dethspud at 2010-03-12 10:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ha! Spud can judge 'immoral'? Of course, there is absolutely no specific claim or proof offered as Spud has no clue whatsoever. Perhaps the schizophrenic headline tricked Spuds into judging himself instead.

Not mentioned was O's role in the controversial 'replacement'.

Rcade, can you please clarify the description of the article ...

Fixed.

Ha! Spud can judge 'immoral'?

Sure, can't you?

The headline is schizophrenic?

Sure you weren't just looking in a mirror when you wrote that?

Dobson's entire career has consisted of bashing gays, trying to make women society's brood mares and lining the coffers of the republican party when he's not too busy trying to make the world safe from Spongebob Squarepants.

He also made over a million dollars from interviewing Ted Bundy in prison after he told the world Bundy deserved to be forgiven.

His influence on American evDEVILicals has overall been negative.

Be Well.

/Outtie good blog-peoples, exiting the DRagon
stage left.

He also made over a million dollars from interviewing Ted Bundy in prison after he told the world Bundy deserved to be forgiven.

I hadn't heard that story before. He'll forgive a serial killer who dragged a 12-year-old girl out of junior high school to rape and murder her, but gays are an abomination?

James Dobson is an immoral sack of shiat and Focus on the Funding does well here to disavow themselves of his blatant insanity.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Be Well.

#4 | Posted by dethspud

Spud, do you dislike him because he passed judgment on people for their behaviors or was it because he had power behind it?

I've always been fascinated by this. The guy is only voicing objection to this behavior as a proxy of the people who he represents who vote with donations.

"The guy is only voicing objection to this behavior as a proxy of the people who he represents who vote with donations. "

So why aren't groups like "Focus on the Family" paying taxes again?

#14 spuds
Dobson's entire career has consisted of bashing gays, trying to make women society's brood mares and lining the coffers of the republican party when he's not too busy trying to make the world safe from Spongebob Squarepants.

He also made over a million dollars from interviewing Ted Bundy in prison after he told the world Bundy deserved to be forgiven.

His influence on American evDEVILicals has overall been negative.

Even if your completely warped amoral perspective had one ounce of truth, you've just taken a huge step backwards from "immoral" to "influence on evangelicals is overall negative". Clearly what you judge is his own outspoken, honesty in moral judgment based on strong Biblical convictions.

You can put lipstick on a Pig.

It's still a Pig!

I am glad, but I need to qualify that;

A long long time ago, back in the dark ages, Dobson used to preach a message that was high on inspiration and low on proselytizing. Kind of like Robert Schuller.

Then he became Dobson the Evangelical Teabagger.

Even I myself, who is world renown as 'Lipz the hater of everything religious', tuned in to his show a few times. My children were young then. Some of his messages were relevant to me at the time. Ironically, most of his meesages in those days went like this, 'Hey, let's all be respectful and kind to each other. That's what jesus would do'.

And I'm cool with that.

Funny how jesus keeps changing his tactics over the years.

And he's still a hate-filled jackasss.

And he's still a hate-filled jackass.

Wow! Look at the Democrats HATE!

They HATE Christians much more than Osama bin Laden (who was only responding to the Crusades and the trillions the ME gets from the West ...)!

Democrats are just that stupid a collective of clowns!

Very interesting, but not funny ...

So much that I had to say it more than once, apparently....

The Path to Hell is Paved in Good Intent. There is little doubt in my mind he started off preaching the word of G-d, but found that, over time, people were following HIM instead of G-d, and found he really liked the power, fame, and attention it brought. The more extreme his rhetoric was, the more attention he got and the more his followers clung to his every word. He fell due to pride and forgetting he was a servant, not a leader.

#14 spuds
after he told the world Bundy deserved to be forgiven

Of course the spuds can provide this exact quote that proves he hasn't completely distorted Dobson's statement.

Even if your completely warped amoral perspective had one ounce of truth, you've just taken a huge step backwards from "immoral" to "influence on evangelicals is overall negative". Clearly what you judge is his own outspoken, honesty in moral judgment based on strong Biblical convictions.

#18 | Posted by L_RContrarian

It's because Deadpotato's behavior is not accepted and he struggles within himself and then reacts with anger through hyperbole and hysteria.

#14 spuds
after he told the world Bundy deserved to be forgiven

Of course the spuds can provide this exact quote that proves he hasn't completely distorted Dobson's statement.

#26 | Posted by L_RContrarian

Spuds doesn't understand---you can forgive anyone (even Spuds) but you don't need to accept their bahavior(s). Also, that doesn't obviate punishment either.

Tadpole and L_R_CantUnderstandShit together praising Dobson. That speaks volumes.

Democrats are just that stupid a collective of clowns!

Very interesting, but not funny ...

#23 | Posted by tadowe

This is an example of the kind of thinking that got Dobsons's stupid ass thrown out.

I'm not a democrat, or a republican, because I think you're both equally fucked up with the exact same disease; Piety. As everyone knows, the next phase after piety is ignorance, then denial. Then acitivist. Then terrorist.

Can you prove Dobson was not a terrorist? hmmmm?

#25 | Posted by kanrei

well said.

Tadpole and L_R_CantUnderstandShit together praising Dobson. That speaks volumes.

#29 | Posted by LetUsPrey

Sorry, Lettucespray, not praising Dobson at all---please point out a post of praise---hardly know the guy---just like to respond to visceral hatred by certain folks who are dishonest in their assessments.

Another scumbag who leeched off of the simple minded who piss themselves at the very mention of the word 'Gay'. Fuck him and his followers.

Good riddance.

Catsup, was I talking to you? No? Then STFU.

Letus gets personal (hate tactic), "Tadpole and L_R_CantUnderstandShit together praising Dobson. That speaks volumes."

I recognized the collective, brainwashed HATE that Democrats have for Christians ... I didn't "prais(ing)" Dobson.

However, this site's sponsored hatemongers (yellow-dog-democrats), will quite naturally and easily lie to spew their hatred for *anyone* who disagrees with the slimey, fascistic tactics the sponsored hatemongers regurgitate; under the direction of Rogers Cadenhead and his hate-dispensing ilk.

Nothing more despicable than those who institutionally spread HATE for their fellow Americans ...

Indeed, the base cowards hide behind the rest of the dedication they make of this effort to vomit hate for "votes": "I only post the "Red Meat", that's all ... others spew the hate and vile dehumanization of Christians, Republicans and other rightwingers ..."

Please, please come back with other haters of the Democrat party and revile me, spit on me and show the world just what kind of politics your ilk practice ....

"The guy is only voicing objection to this behavior as a proxy of the people who he represents who vote with donations. "

So why aren't groups like "Focus on the Family" paying taxes again?

#17 | Posted by LetUsPrey

They are a non-profit.

Tadpole and L_R_CantUnderstandShit together praising Dobson. That speaks volumes.

#29 | Posted by LetUsPrey

Sorry, Lettucespray, not praising Dobson at all---please point out a post of praise---hardly know the guy---just like to respond to visceral hatred by certain folks who are dishonest in their assessments.

#32 | Posted by matsop

LetUsPrey, if you were referring to Tadowe (instead of moi), I apologize for insulting your moniker.

Of course the spuds can provide this exact quote that proves he hasn't completely distorted Dobson's statement.

Sources on Dobson and Bundy are all over the place. Perhaps you should check out this new site:

The Path to Hell is Paved in Good Intent. There is little doubt in my mind he started off preaching the word of G-d, but found that, over time, people were following HIM instead of G-d, and found he really liked the power, fame, and attention it brought. The more extreme his rhetoric was, the more attention he got and the more his followers clung to his every word. He fell due to pride and forgetting he was a servant, not a leader.

#25 | Posted by kanrei

"Spud, do you dislike him because he passed judgment on people for their behaviors or was it because he had power behind it?
#16 | Posted by Eddie"

Actually, if you could read Crazy Eddie, you would realize that Dobson does not pass judgment on people's behavior (see, e.g., Ted Bundy), but instead on who they were born as (see, e.g., gays).

Bit by bit the the Christian mythology is falling apart and soon we will be free of their tyranny.

#3 | Posted by richardspirit

So true!!! All who agree, please sign this petition!

1. Emperor Nero
2. Emperor Diocletian
3. Adolf Hitler
4. Vladimir Lenin
5. Joseph Stalin
6. Mao Zedong
7.
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12.

For all those who want a tyranny-free World!

Sorry, Lettucespray, not praising Dobson at all---please point out a post of praise---hardly know the guy---just like to respond to visceral hatred by certain folks who are dishonest in their assessments.

#32 | Posted by matsop

LetUsPrey, if you were referring to Tadowe (instead of moi), I apologize for insulting your moniker.

#37 | Posted by matsop

Now, LetUsPrey, if you were Dobson (I assume), you would respond to my atonement/expiation by forgiving me---hopefully my punishment wouldn't be on the scale of capital punishment. Then I could forgive you for your obnoxious language---and then you and I would feel so much better and be on the good footing we were before this sad misunderstanding.

"Spud, do you dislike him because he passed judgment on people for their behaviors or was it because he had power behind it?
#16 | Posted by Eddie"

Actually, if you could read Crazy Eddie, you would realize that Dobson does not pass judgment on people's behavior (see, e.g., Ted Bundy), but instead on who they were born as (see, e.g., gays).

#40 | Posted by mOntecOre

Are you calling me crazy because I made you feel like a xenophobe?

If I were Dobson I'd never admit I was wrong.
And if you're looking for "reasoned discourse" you got off at the wrong station.

but gays are an abomination?

#15 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2010-03-12 11:21 AM | REPLY | FLAG

Not sure that's a fair criticism unless he says that gays cannot be forgiven after repentance (which is probably his basis for thinking Bundy should be forgiven), which I doubt is his belief.

I understand your sentiment, but don't see the logic.

For all those who want a tyranny-free World!

#41 | Posted by Sabbatai

I think you may be carrying this xenophobia a little too far.

Dobson represents a group of Americans who think differently than you.

Why are you afraid?

Aren't illegal aliens simply undocumented workers?

And if you're looking for "reasoned discourse" you got off at the wrong station.

#44 | Posted by LetUsPrey

Phweeew, that's a pretty humble statement---always thought you at least made an attempt at "reasoned discourse".

SABBATAI

Listing of all of the Popes and other heads of churches such as the Anglican and the atrocities that they have committed against mankind would easily trump that tiny list you have.

I don't include Christians though when I speak of religious tyranny as the Muslims, Jews and so many others are just as bad and again when you compare the sheer bloodshed of religious zealots to atheists then there is no contest the religious are far and above more tyrannical and bloodthirsty.

I understand your sentiment, but don't see the logic.

#45 | Posted by somoco at 2010-03-12 01:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

There is no logic in bigotry, nor in ignorance and the hatred it spews.

#17 prey

So why aren't groups like "Focus on the Family" paying taxes again?

As a simpleton troller, perhaps you were not aware of the scam that the non-profit corporation declaration agreement is. In the fine print, you agree to give up your first amendment right to speak on any political issue. Of course, that is selectively enforced based on what your political opinion is.

but gays are an abomination?

#15 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2010-03-12 11:21 AM | REPLY | FLAG

Not sure that's a fair criticism unless he says that gays cannot be forgiven after repentance (which is probably his basis for thinking Bundy should be forgiven), which I doubt is his belief.

I understand your sentiment, but don't see the logic.

#45 | Posted by somoco

I don't get any of this! Most muslims in this country support certain muslims who want to kill Americans because we "export the American Dream" through corporatism backed up by the military. That's a fact.

Will they act on it? I don't think so. Does America need to change its ways for a healthier world? Most definately.

Is gay sex healthy? Some would say no.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I'm moody.

Is Eddie an idiot? Some would say so.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I'm moody.

#53 | Posted by LetUsPrey

Probably none of my business----extreme?---manic/
depressive?

when you compare the sheer bloodshed of religious zealots to atheists then there is no contest the religious are far and above more tyrannical and bloodthirsty.

#48 | Posted by richardspirit at 2010-03-12 01:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Communism (avowed atheism) was responsible for at least 150 million murders in the past century -- and probably many more if you include its wars of aggression.

You think some asshole pope 1,000 years ago trumps that?

You only prove that ignorance is the fuel of bigotry

Vernon,

I wish I could say it was just one asshole Pope but so many of them and not just the Crusades as they loved to burn people and commit genocide and massive enslavement. Their legacy alone touches all corners of the world in it's brutality. None of those one your list come even close.

haha. manic now.

Listing of all of the Popes and other heads of churches such as the Anglican and the atrocities that they have committed against mankind would easily trump that tiny list you have.

#48 | Posted by richardspirit

Saying so doesn't make it so RS.

Religious inspired atrocities simply cannot compete with the murders perpetrated by atheist regimes...even in terms of percentages of populations.

No doubt you will cite the Crusades, or the Inquisition, or the witch burnings. But taken together, all three killed approximately 200,000 people. When you consider that the world's population rose from around 500 million in 1450 AD to 2.5 billion in 1950, a fivefold increase, 200,000 deaths is a pittance when compared to what took place in the 20th century alone. Hitler, Stalin and Mao together murdered over 100 million.

So let's have it! Let's see how easily you can trump 100 million. Bogus!

Hitler counts as religious murder Sabb. He chose victims based on faith and used religious imagery to justify it.

Perhaps you forgot that the person making the claim has the burden of proof, even if the opinion is favorable to you.

Nobody has the burden of making you more informed. The facts of Dobson's encounter with Ted Bundy are easily available. I verified them after reading Spud's comments. It took around a minute.

Hitler wasn't an atheist.

Hitler may have been an Atheist actually, but he used religious imagery to justify his actions because he knew his followers were.

And, you need to count the deaths of native Americans (north, south, and central) infected by "missionaries" wit smallpox and the like.

#63 ended too soon. Should be "he knew his followers were religious."

Hitler wasn't an atheist.

#62 | Posted by LetUsPrey

He was a neo-pagan who had no use for God.

I understand your sentiment, but don't see the logic.

Would you have provided spiritual comfort to Ted Bundy in his final hours, taping the meeting so you could sell it later?

Let's not forget the enslavement/murder/torture of Natives in Australia, Africa, North America, South America, Asia and India.

SABB

Pagans are not Atheists. In fact, they believe any many Gods/Goddess...

...I know this is a hard concept for you but not people outside of your belief circle are atheists.

Let's not forget the enslavement/murder/torture of Natives in Australia, Africa, North America, South America, Asia and India.

#68 | Posted by richardspirit

I'm still waiting for a number richard! Give a number to trump my own!

The "Crusades" began under another epithet: "Jihad". Europe was attacked by Muslim invaders intent on gaining property and religious slaves for Allah. And, the oppression lasted hundreds of years before the Popes and Kings began to fight back; taking the fight to its source and "liberating" Israel as the Holy Land.

Even this fact, along with the relatively small number of actual deaths caused by religion (except against itself) in Holy Wars, is ignored in order to defend Islam and spew hatred and dehumanization for Jews and their "Great Satan" supporter: the USA!

These ersatz Americans hate the USA and want it destroyed - that's why they defend Islam by hating and reviling Christianity, Judaism and, or any other religiou except Islam.

They infest the Democratic party with their fetid support of those who hate and fear women so much that they repress them far more cruelly than any American "master" ever treated their slaves (sold to them by Great Britain and Islamic pirates who captured them) ... that's Islam btw, the ones who agree with the idea the circumcising women is just fine by them. Beat your woman? Sharia agrees. Stone your woman for infidelity (talking with an American qualifies)? Okay by the Sharia you morons support by hating Christianity as the reason Islam can attack the USA ...

... you Democrats are becoming the creeps of the USA, you ...

#61
check out this new site... www.google.com

So a more honest, non-politically spun answer to whether you can provide an exact quote backing: after he told the world Bundy deserved to be forgiven is NO you cannot.

Pagans are not Atheists. In fact, they believe any many Gods/Goddess...

...I know this is a hard concept for you but not people outside of your belief circle are atheists.

#69 | Posted by richardspirit

Not a hard concept at all, but we all know your anti-religion drivel is really anti-church. It wasn't the church that put people in Nazi ovens. In fact, Hitler tried to destroy the church by executing Christian priests, minister, leaders and congregants. Hitler wasn't murdering out of devotion to God, but out of devotion to Aryan and neo-pagan ideals...just as Stalin and Mao did for their own anti-God ideals. They're your fathers, not mine!

haha. manic now.

#58 | Posted by LetUsPrey

LetUsPrey, wish you a good day.

Would you have provided spiritual comfort to Ted Bundy in his final hours, taping the meeting so you could sell it later?

#67 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2010-03-12 02:07 PM | REPLY | FLAG

What does this have to do with the logic of your argument? I don't even know this guy, so I won't make character judgments. But, most religious people believe in forgiveness if there is genuine and honest repentance.

You indicated that how could he forgive Bundy, but that being gay is an abomination. My point was that he probably has and would forgive being gay if there was forgiveness so your criticism wasn't logical.

I think the religious people who find being gay unacceptable would forgive it. You make it sound as though they wouldn't, which I didn't think was fair.

SABB,

So demanding...I know a mistress that would put you in line...lol

It is not possible to calculate all of the deaths and suffering attributed to all religions throughout the history of time.

I know you want to keep it into a narrow scope because you don't anything but Christianity is a religion.

Understand that I despise all religions; christians, muslims, pagans, satanists, thelemites and many more that I'm sure you have never heard of.

Religion is a great thing when kept private. The Book of Matthew is great and 99.9% of people miss the point of it. KEEP YOUR FAITH TO YOURSELF! The problem with religion is the same as with crime, when it gets organized, it starts screwing with people for no real reason other than to show its power.

Would you have provided spiritual comfort to Ted Bundy in his final hours, taping the meeting so you could sell it later?

#67 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2010-03-12 02:07 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

to answer your specific question, i might. if i was in a position to provide such comfort, and bundy wanted to confess his sins and wanted it to be commercialized - then I probably would with the stipulation that proceeds go to a particular cause (probably something picked by the victims of his crimes). something like that could be a win-win.

however, if bundy didn't want it commercialized, or if the vics didn't want it, then i wouldn't do it. under no circumstances would i do it for personal gain. if that's what he did, he's probably a phony.

The problem with religion is the same as with crime, when it gets organized, it starts screwing with people for no real reason other than to show its power.

#77 | POSTED BY KANREI AT 2010-03-12 02:25 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

what, you're not a fisher of men?

"Not a hard concept at all, but we all know your anti-religion drivel is really anti-church."

No really it's not trust me I have the same disdain for anyone can intellectually accept religion as viable and real. ANY RELIGION.

Religion like magic was used to explain the unexplainable but science is finally maturing to the point the most of those have been disproved and as for the rest it will come.

So a more honest, non-politically spun answer to whether you can provide an exact quote backing: after he told the world Bundy deserved to be forgiven is NO you cannot.

The facts are not in dispute on this subject. Anyone who spends even a cursory amount of time looking into it can verify what Spud said. You refuse to do this, just like you refused to verify how the back page of this site works.

You cling to ignorance. It is pointless to discuss anything with you.

Religion like magic was used to explain the unexplainable

That is only one purpose of religion. It also used as moral tales to convey lessons in morality. It can and is used to get people to do things beyond what they otherwise would- yes, both good and bad results from it.

No really it's not trust me I have the same disdain for anyone can intellectually accept religion as viable and real. ANY RELIGION.

Whatever happened to all of that tolerance and respect for others different from yourself that lefties purport to be all about? You know, diversity and all that.

It also used as moral tales to convey lessons in morality

Like all of that icky shit about loving thy enemy, turning the other cheek, forgiveness, personal sacrifice, etc.

Kan,

Sorry but what you see being used to teach morality I see as a means to control through guilt manipulation.

Understand that I despise all religions; christians, muslims, pagans, satanists, thelemites and many more that I'm sure you have never heard of.

#76 | Posted by richardspirit

Then you would know that Hitler's was not a religion. Further, if you're as sophisticated as you claim, you would also know that ol' Adolf was more a devotee of the nihilism of Nietzsche and the romanticism of Wagner, and that he simply appropriated the ancient Norse myths under the secular ideals of the former. This is what cult men do all the time....appropriate religious trappings to drive home their secular rot which ends in murder and destruction.

Simple sods rarely see the Hitlers that appear on the world's stage. They tend to blame all the world's problems on religion, and then get smashed by the ones who champion the same!

"Religion like magic was used to explain the unexplainable

That is only one purpose of religion. It also used as moral tales to convey lessons in morality. It can and is used to get people to do things beyond what they otherwise would- yes, both good and bad results from it."

Don't forget one of the most important reasons for religion: it is a sure fire way to separate the weak-minded from their money. Take away the profit motive and 95% of the clergy would be selling used cars or hawking life insurance.

JeffJ,

Who says I'm a leftie? I'm actually an Anarchist so I could give a crap less about the left or the right.

"Like all of that icky shit about loving thy enemy, turning the other cheek, forgiveness, personal sacrifice, etc."

and slavery, genocide, incest and child molesting. Genital mutilation sexism, racism and any other ism you can think of were all originally taught as a religious basis...great morals.

Richard,
I think you have encountered too many people who use religion as a weapon. Many people misunderstand what is said because they don't bother to read or think on their own, but allow a "leader," like Dobson, to pervert the word of G-d. Religion is a good thing when not organized because it is not G-d who organizes religion, but man and man organizes it in a way to best serve himself.

SABB

I'm not the one arguing with you about Hitler...try to keep your various arguments straight.

Richard,
I believe that a G-d powerful enough to create the universe and everything in it is powerful enough to create me with everything he wants me to know about him already within me and I don't need a book written by man to tell me what G-d thinks. The King James Version is simply King James' version to me, but I do belief in faith and spirit.

Richard,

Who says I'm a leftie?

It was an assumption on my part. Sorry about that.

and slavery, genocide, incest and child molesting. Genital mutilation sexism, racism and any other ism you can think of were all originally taught as a religious basis...great morals.

Do you honestly think these things would go away if religion went away? That's kinda the whole point in bringing up the horrors of Communism.

Also, if you are going to bag on those who used their religion to justify nastiness than at least be fair enough to acknowledge those who have used the tenets of their religion to do good.

Kan,

I can read and I do understand when it says to slaughter and kill. All major religious text's promote violence and crimes against humanity even if the current incarnations deny it or want to manipulate its meaning.

#1 | POSTED BY EXPSREDEMPTION AT 2010-03-12 10:09 AM | REPLY | FLAG: FAN OF JAMES DOBSON

I can read and I do understand when it says to slaughter and kill. All major religious text's promote violence and crimes against humanity

Who wrote the text? G-d is not an author. See my #91.

Do you honestly think these things would go away if religion went away? That's kinda the whole point in bringing up the horrors of Communism.

Jeff, he has a deep rooted personal issue with religion for him to say things like that.

Kan,

What you have is simple faith not religion there is a difference. One can have faith without a belief in god or a religion.

good riddance.

"Also, if you are going to bag on those who used their religion to justify nastiness than at least be fair enough to acknowledge those who have used the tenets of their religion to do good."

can you acknowledge that good atheists have done?

What you have is simple faith not religion there is a difference.

Not true. I believe in G-d. I am Jewish and proud of it. I view my faith as more of a philosophy and an outlook on the world rather than something supernatural, but I do see value in religion, but it has its place, purpose, and limits.

can you acknowledge that good atheists have done?

Absolutely. A good deed is a good deed.

All major religious text's promote violence and crimes against humanity even if the current incarnations deny it or want to manipulate its meaning.

Which is a testament to many modern religious institutions that choose to downplay (almost to the point of ignoring) the more violents parts of their texts and tend to hype and laser-in on the peaceful and loving portions of their texts.

However, this site's sponsored hatemongers (yellow-dog-democrats), will quite naturally and easily lie to spew their hatred for *anyone* who disagrees with the slimey, fascistic tactics the sponsored hatemongers regurgitate; under the direction of Rogers Cadenhead and his hate-dispensing ilk.

I'm tired of being demonized by you on a personal level like this. You can find someplace else to hang out, effective immediately.

I do not write the "o" in G-d, per my religion.

I cover my head when I pray, per my religion.

I celebrate the high holy days, per my religion.

What I don't do is look to a Rabbi, Priest, or book to tell me what G-d wants of me. I do what I do as tradition because I have looked into and understand some of the symbolism used and why.

#103 | Posted by rcade at 2010-03-12 02:47 PM | Reply | Flag: beware the wrath of Rc-de

Rcade,

You used to have such a long and wet fuse. Over the last few months I've noticed that you have VERY little patience for criticisms directed toward you.

What caused the change?

Please note - I am genuinely curious and actually kinda agree with your new stance. This is your house, some basic respect toward the homeowner should be the norm

Over the last few months I've noticed that you have VERY little patience for criticisms directed toward you.

I saw him toss Redneckville and now Tadowe.

I assume those are permanent bans.

Any others on that list?

Kan,

More stupid rules with no meaning...I know about Judaism at least as much as a non-jew can know. Do you think god really cares if you spell it with an o? or whether you cover your head?

Crap all of it.

I know about Judaism at least as much as a non-jew can know.

why?

you have chosen to write off all organized religious as "crap". Fair enough. But why study Judaism that intently when, at the outset, you already decided it was crap?

"I saw him toss Redneckville and now Tadowe."

Good for him. He runs about as tolerant a blog that you can find on the internet. Half of the posters here would get kicked out if they tried their shit on FreeRepublic.com.

Any others on that list?

You just made the list!

Rcade,

Is it still OK to bag on you on the nooner thread?

Do you think god really cares if you spell it with an o? or whether you cover your head?

Does G-d really care? No.

Why do I do it? It has symbollic meaning. You cover your head to remind you that there is always something above you. I don't write the "o" out of respect for a concept and ideal. It is not crap, it is just something you don't choose to see a point to.

Jeff,

If memory serves, didn't he just about toss you out of here?

If memory serves, didn't he just about toss you out of here?

Yeah - I still feel I was in the right, but I did apologize the next day for not making my point with more tact.

That is precisely why I asked him about the nooner thread - just trying to figure out what is and isn't allowable.

Hate is no respecter of any group of men, organizations, religions, political affiliations---total depravity affects all.

I think the occasional jab a Rc-de is allowed, but he tires of the constant attacking every single post made tactics of a Tad.

"just trying to figure out what is and isn't allowable. "

Most Drudgies seem to figure that out just fine, which is why most of them are never suspended, and don't even get dumps.

My only dumps have come from when I try to post like 101. It is much harder than he makes it look to dance up to the line and not cross it.

Eberly,

How can you judge something you know nothing about? I studied for years to understand religion.

Whatever you do, just don't say rutabaga!!!

Null,

I mostly agree, but the incident (the spat between Rcade and myself) that Eberly is alluding to occurred on the nooner thread which is the appropriate place to 'complain bitterly about this site'. That is precisely why I was so surprised when Rcade threated to kick me off the site.

I decided to answer the question on the Nooner:

Just kidding!!! I really didn't use the r word.

Someone must have hacked my account. HONEST!!!

How can you judge something you know nothing about? I studied for years to understand religion.

it doesn't take long to study the hypocrisy and abuse of religion and religious people throughout history especially if you are looking for it

which is what you seem to focus on.

what is the point of studying the specifics of a religion when you can always point to the hypocrisy of it's leader or leaders as a reason to denounce it as crap?

I can do that in an afternoon. It sure as hell wouldn't take me "years to understand".

George Carlin said it best when he said that Budda and Jesus were two guys who went around telling people they didn't need any organized faith. The people listened so well, they organized faiths based on them.

Eberly,

I'm sorry if you think that I am so one dimensional. I did in fact start studying religion to find truth. I was raised Christian became disillusioned and began a journey. The journey has taken me many places and challenges many of the beliefs that I held but in the end I found them all to be defunct and useless.

Kan,

Except that Buddha left god out and in fact said if there was a god he had no affect on the earth or did not care.

he's retiring to spend all his time naked in the shower with his grandsons, trying to ensure their heterosexuality.

"Are you calling me crazy because I made you feel like a xenophobe?
#43 | Posted by eddie"

No, actually it is because you are crazy.

It's GOOD that Rcade wished him to the cornfield. That's a GOOD THING! (oh god if he's reading my mind I'll be next - GOOD THOUGHTS, I MUST ONLY THINK GOOD THOUGHTS)

So let's have it! Let's see how easily you can trump 100 million.

Are we counting everyone drowned in the deluge? What was the population of Sodom and Gomorrah? How many Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites, or Jebusites were there before god commanded they be wiped from the Earth? I mean, if you get to cling to fables (like the nazis were atheists) to ratchet up the body count on our side, we get to use your own fables likewise.

Are you selectively choosing Stalin-related deaths? Do both sides of the battle of Stalingrad count against the atheists? How's that? Using your 'standards' /snark/ aren't all the deaths of all the wars fought among christian nations attributable to god? What about the battle of Berlin where Russians fought alongside Americans; can you be sure who fell to the righteous bullets of the christians and who was murdered by the god-less Red Army? Who gets credit for dead Iraqis in this crusade god commanded of George Bush? The Native populations of North, South, and Central America fell to what religion again?

Don't respond you will only look more foolish.

"The Native populations of North, South, and Central America fell to what religion again? "

Imagine if Columbus and the Spanish colonialists had more effective killing technology, like machine guns. They would've easily surpassed Hitler and Stalin in the body count. And they probably did anyway, in terms of percentage of the population. Or how about automatic weapons in the hands of the Crusaders?

Both Hitler's and Mussolini's very first diplomatic missions were to the Vatican where they received uncompromising devotion to their cause. Upon signing the Lateran Pact of '29 Pope Pius XI described II Duce ("the leader") as "a man sent by providence."

Pope Pius XII, who succeeded to the office after the death of his former superior in February 1939. Four days after his election by the College of Cardinals, His Holiness composed the following letter to Berlin:
To the Illustrious Herr Adolf Hitler, Fuhrer and Chancellor of the German Reich! Here at the beginning of Our Pontificate We wish to assure you that We remain devoted to the spiritual welfare of the German people entrusted to your leadership....
During the many years We spent in Germany, We did all in Our power to establish harmonious relations between Church and State. Now that the responsibilities of Our pastoral function have increased Our opportunities, how much more ardently do We pray to reach that goal. May the prosperity of the German people and their progress in every domain come, with God's help, to fruition!

Within six years of this evil and fatuous message, the once prosperous and civilized people of Germany could gaze around themselves and see hardly one brick piled upon another, as the god-less Red Army swept toward Berlin. But I mention this conjuncture for another reason.
Believers are supposed to hold that the pope is the vicar of Christ on earth, and the keeper of the keys of Saint Peter. They are of course free to believe this, and to believe that god decides when to end the tenure of one pope or (more important) to inaugurate the tenure of
another. This would involve believing in the death of an anti-Nazi pope, and the accession of a pro-Nazi one, as a matter of divine will, a few months before Hitler's invasion of Poland and the opening of the Second World War.

About 25% of the SS were practicing Catholics yet no Catholic was ever even threatened with excommunication for participating in war crimes. (Joseph Goebbels was excommunicated, but that was earlier
on, and he had after all brought it on himself for the offense of marrying a Protestant.)

Ding Dong! The Witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead.

hmmm kinda has a double meaning today!

So glad to see Dobson go. And not gonna miss the Tadpole either. Both are very hateful creatures.

I too used to listen to Dobson. When he first started he had common sense ideas on raising children especially boys. But, then something happened and suddenly the things he was saying took on a evil subtext.

#131 I saw what you did there...saw that episode...funny stuff... I mean good thoughts!

Except that Buddha left god out and in fact said if there was a god he had no affect on the earth or did not care.

#128 | Posted by richardspirit

NO effect? Well, except for creating Earth.

And Richard--God cares deeply for everything and all people.

MURPHY

God cares deeply for everything and all people.

There's too much suffering in third world countries for that to be true.

NO effect? Well, except for creating Earth.

Lol. Not this tripe again. How does that song go... "don't know much about astronomy..." or something like that?

God cares deeply for everything and all people.

Yep, he cared enough about us so much that he felt the need to create smallpox.

God cares deeply for everything and all people.

#137 | Posted by MURPHY at 2010-03-12 07:49 PM

Tell that to the person who had to make a decision to either leap to his/her death or be incinerated on 9/11.

Nice to see you're still an idiot, Muffy.

God cares deeply for everything and all people.

#137 | Posted by MURPHY

except for those gay people, of course!

Even 'those gay people,' DON.

Now, whether humans 'care' for those gay people, sometimes that can be a different story.

I realize you were responding to MURPH and being snarky, but I wanted to make a serious point here. And it's this... my clear understanding of Christianity and how it plays out in my life is NOT to put my faith in a human, regardless of how pious they may appear... and thus not to base the "value" of Christianity on a fallible human.

I say that anytime you or I put our faith in a person (for whatever reason... religous or otherwise) we are bound to be disappointed because that particular person isn't perfect.

Would you have provided spiritual comfort to Ted Bundy in his final hours, taping the meeting so you could sell it later?

#67 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2010-03-12 02:07 PM | REPLY | FLAG

How cool is that?

Ted Bundy gets to murder young women all around the country. Gets to accept Jesus in his last hours and sit at the right hand of Jesus for eternity. Dobson gets to handle that for Bundy AND make a buck.

Win/win for everybody.

Except the women.

And I do say this as a former Baptist deacon. So leave the atheist/Xtian hater BS at home, K?