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Friday, March 12, 2010

The $787 billion stimulus package was a good for the economy, but the Federal Reserve played the biggest role in rescuing the U.S. economy from the financial crisis, according to the majority of economists in the latest Wall Street Journal forecasting survey. "A much worse result would have occurred if nothing had been done," said survey participant Allen Sinai of Decision Economics, co-author of a paper examining the effects of government intervention with colleague Paul Edelstein. But "the absence of monetary policy easing [by the Fed] would have resulted in a much worse economy than the absence of the fiscal policy stimulus."

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Man I wish there was a way to embed the sound of crickets chirping into threads with over the top titles and no comments.

"Man I wish there was a way to embed the sound of crickets chirping into threads with over the top titles and no comments."
You can always use this.
www.youtube.com

Why the U.S. Can't Inflate Its Way Out of the Economic Crisis:

money.cnn.com

HINT TO DANNI & OBAMA: STOP THE SPENDING!!!

Too funny! It's like the CDC types claiming their efforts caused swine flu to be a dud. Government always makes as if it were essential rather than a drain on everyone.

"HINT TO DANNI & OBAMA: STOP THE SPENDING!!!"

I'm one of the only people who post here who continuosly says RAISE TAXES. I don't know where you got the idea I wanted to "inflate" our way out of recession, I do think spending right now is important but the taxation to pay for that spending is just as important. When the recession is over then we could reduce spending without fear of ending the recovery.

From your article:

"The recommended exit strategies are pretty basic, if unpopular: tax increases and spending cuts."

"Government cripples you then hands you a crutch and says see if it wern't for us you couldn't walk"
-Harry Browne

Hey yo, shake what your mama gave ya or what she lent ya
This ain't another dance floor adventure
So put your drinks down and get up on the floor
The party don't stop until the clock strikes four in the morning
Wondering if you wind to tight, it's time to loosen up and just party tonight
So everyone just lend your brain, the worries in the hangar
'Cause we don't ever care when we hear a club banger

-Fed on the Economy

It is hilarious that righties can read "tax increases and spending cuts." but only see "spending cuts."

I trust John Boner, not a bunch of really smart, highly educated economists who study this for a living.

"NO! No! the stimulus didn't work! It couldn't work! Take it away, pleeeeze!"- The Tight

Only someone who believes Banking is the economy could make such a statement. It is patently ridiculous. What the Fed and Treasury did was shift private losses onto the backs of innocent workers, many who have subsequently lost their jobs. It is a planned demolition, designed to bring the living standards of China and USA in line with eachother while generating windfall profits for a select few, even after they commit fraud on an unprecedented scale.

"NO! No! the stimulus didn't work! It couldn't work! Take it away, pleeeeze!"- The Tight

#9 | Posted by Corky

Ah, there you are---the stimulus didn't have much of an effect except put us deeper in debt---the Fed which among others is culpable for the difficulty we're in is the reason why we have some semblance of a recovery---this will possibly end badly considering the debt we now have facing us.

What the Fed and Treasury did was shift private losses onto the backs of innocent workers, many who have subsequently lost their jobs.

#10 | Posted by nutcase at 2010-03-12 12:41 PM

And some here still wave the pom-poms.

This is like the morbidly obese person being told to exercize and eat less.

The Republican fatty would insist on eating MORE food and pretend he didn't hear the part about exercise.

The Democrat fatty would pretend to exercise and would drink diet soda for one meal a week.

so what are they gonna say when the economy finally collapses?

so what are they gonna say when the economy finally collapses?

#14 | Posted by outbacker

The hope is to muddle through over the next number of years---there'll be a gradual lowering of our standard of living and deleveraging---the other possibility is the sudden collapse scenario

yeah, if they repeat enough times that bailing out the finance junta helped the average american, they might believe that the moron american populace might buy that crap, but this does not make it so.

it seems the average american does not care about the national debt. they just can't see how it affects them and want tax cuts for themselves.

What a horse hockey!...and many will fall pray to it. Of course most of it is due to the liberals having systematically destroyed our educational system. I believe no graduate of our public school system born after the early fifties has received any sort of an education. Nor is it facts only that they have been denied: the schools have also failed to instruct them in critical thinking; so having no knowledge to use and no judgment skills to apply it, they are singularly gullible and credulous, eagerly accepting any lie the left chooses to spout, whether it be false economics, false justice, or false science. In the eighteenth century the upper classes did not want the lower classes to be educated, fearing that even such basic knowledge as literacy might make them discontented with their lowly station in life and thus be less likely to show the proper deference to their betters. This is the goal of the modern leftist: to keep the common man in such a state of overwhelming ignorance that he can be easily controlled by those in power--who of course will wield that power only for his greater good.

www.msnbc.msn.com

How much stimulus is being spent in your county?

508mil to rehab the Brooklyn Bridge...

The upper class still think like that and guess what, there righties. I received a great education where i was thought to think instead of memorize. It was a LIBERAL arts school. Are you one of the ones not smart enough to get into the advance classes and have to blame it on a the government. It seems what you said applies more to the right than the left. If you could think for yourself instead of just spiting out some stupid rant that you found on the internet you might be able to make a point

720mil for a northbound HOV lane on 405 in LA.

received a great education where i was thought to think instead of memorize.

LOL! You weren't "thought" to spell, though...

nope me wanstnt muchofa spelleir

LOL!

:^)

Why isn't out government investing heavily into extending drinking water into the less populated areas, instead of wasting 1.2 billion on the two projects I mentioned above? Water service to every American home should be a number one priority for our government, not the bullshit waste they are so good at.

It is hilarious that righties can read "tax increases and spending cuts." but only see "spending cuts."

#7 | Posted by danni

It is hilarious that libs can read "tax increases and spending cuts." but only see "tax increases."

When is the last time our budget was lower than the previous year? Looks to me like it was 1955.

Wow who would think that all that money would have some type of effect on the economy? Wow who would have thought it would have some type of effect on the deficit too?

truthfully i have no idea what i am talking about. i just hated liberty's post was awful and decided to reply in a rushed manor.

horse shit a plenty!

#7 Danni> It is hilarious that righties can read "tax increases and spending cuts." but only see "spending cuts."

I really didn't think you would fall for it, but you did ... hook, line and sinker! LOL!!! It says "tax increases AND spending cuts", and of course you ignored the 'And' as well as the 'spending cuts'. That's why I put that blurb about spending cuts to you and Obama, because you never met a spending cut you liked. You and your ilk think tax increases are always the answer to government shortfalls.

You've even claimed in the past that tax increases would lead to more jobs. Guess 'government jobs' is the only area you want to see grow (in line with Obama's track record).

#14 Outbacker> so what are they gonna say when the economy finally collapses?

One thing I can almost guarantee: those in power at that time will blame it on somebody else (party/president/etc.). They will claim they did everything they could but the 'other guys' messed it up so badly that it wasn't possible to avoid it.

I think the potential for a collapse is higher now than it has been in several decades, thanks to the Bush-Obama spending spree plus gutless politicians who wouldn't know fiscal responsibility if it was stapled to their backsides!

HINT TO OBAMA: CUT THE SPENDING NOW BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!

The problem is where to cut spending. There are many groups that tell him to cut, but would be appalled if he cut from them. It is not that simple.

not, I can think of many places to start.
1) Close our bases in europe and japan.
2) Stop all foreign aid.
3) Close the Dept of Ed and Energy.
4) Stop ALL pork
5) Stop all subsidy programs
6) Cut 10% off of the remaining budgets
7) Get out of the UN!!!!

Where do you cut yours when you don't have enough for all you WANT?

so basically say screw you to the world and pigs. then stop trying to educate and burn though as many non-renewable resources as we can.

I'm all for a year or so moratorium on foreign aid. Once those thankless fucks see how much of their lives depend on the US maybe they'll shut the fuck up and quit bitching about us. There's no reason that we can't have money to spend on education if we just stop all the irrelevant spending. We sure as hell don't need huge bases scattered across the globe. Besides, trouble spots like the Palestinian territories will collapse pretty darn quick without US money. As likely will the UN, thank goodness.

-moratorium on foreign aid

Yes, we could save .02 percent of the budget.

i agree with you for the most part spokeanejim. though we should keep a minimal military involvement in the bases instead of completely cutting out.

HINT TO OBAMA: CUT THE SPENDING NOW BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!

#32 | POSTED BY AKAT

Agreed. Let's start with the empire's worldwide military that consumes HALF our national budget and is as big as the rest of the world COMBINED.

We could solve ALL of our problems by cutting the military budget.

But america isnt desperate enough to confront truths like that yet. One day we will be.

Yes, we could save .02 percent of the budget.

#37 | Posted by Corky

You know cor, a billion here and a billion there and soon you are talking about a huge pile of money. The excuse that it is too small to be concerned about is a big pile of bat shit. My youngest daughter has the same idea about money and as a result she never has any.

#40 | Posted by Sniper at 2010-03-12 06:15 PM
***"You know cor, a billion here and a billion there and soon you are talking about a huge pile of money. The excuse that it is too small to be concerned about is a big pile of bat shit. My youngest daughter has the same idea about money and as a result she never has any."

Yeah, I agree; you should write your Republican representatives, urging them to support Obama's Budget Deficit committee. You know; the one that all the Republicans voted against because it wouldn't make a big enough impact? Every little bit counts! Oh, and include the anecdote about your daughter; that'll really get'em in the "saving" spirit...

Yeah, I agree; you should write your Republican representatives, urging them to support Obama's Budget Deficit committee. You know; the one that all the Republicans voted against because it wouldn't make a big enough impact? Every little bit counts! Oh, and include the anecdote about your daughter; that'll really get'em in the "saving" spirit...

#41 | Posted by Capt_Of_Uranus

By the way, that's currently going forward---Obama has selected 6 individuals and the repubs just selected 6 individuals to the PCNFRR. Senate dems have picked 3 and now 3 people have to come from the House.

This sums it up in total...

www.youtube.com

Before you raise taxes, I have a question:

Can you find anything the government is spending money on that should be cut?

Everything can't be needed and there has got to be something that isn't necessary.

So, before you raise taxes - answer the question.

Or, better - go to my new post regarding what to cut.

#42 | Posted by matsop at 2010-03-12 07:33 PM

Yes it is, because Obama did it himself, without congressional support...

Yes it is, because Obama did it himself, without congressional support...

#45 | Posted by Capt_Of_Uranus

Yes, and he always had that option----I just hope it doesn't end up like the W.R. Grace group whose proposals sat on a shelf.

I had to chuckle about the title of this thread---The Fed Rescued the Economy---the Fed which is a large part of the causal factor of the disintegration of our economy is now portrayed as a rescuer. Notice how they're trying to rehabilitate their reputation----what ever happened to the bill to audit the Fed?

Figuratively speaking, when the economy hit its debt limit, the fed borrowed from another credit card. Another way to look at it, it's like giving a drunk another bottle of wine to cure a hangover.

Ray you know the problem but what is the solution. If we eliminate most every govt program we create more problems. Lets face it. Many Americans depend on the govt for survival. To get out of this mess would require slashing the military budget to bare minimums and eliminating almost every social program.

Ray you know the problem but what is the solution. If we eliminate most every govt program we create more problems.

There is no solution to insolvency except to cut spending. More spending only postpones the inevitable and worsens the consequences. The next stage is bankruptcy. It can't be stopped. You should be paying attention to what is happening in Greece for what we can expect here when TSHTF.

It's physically impossible to consume more than you produce. As far as social programs go, you socialists should have thought about that long ago.

You know cor, a billion here and a billion there and soon you are talking about a huge pile of money.

That is not what the wing dings said when Obama made changes to save $10 billion.

Then the cry was "too small to be effective".

You guys really need to get on the same talking points.

The budget did not become bloated like it is overnight and any fix will not happen overnight.

Immediate plans should include cutting back on defense spending (eliminate wasteful programs), cut medicare and social security to upper incomers, reduce congressional staff by 60%, cut back on congressional pension and health benefits severly.

Lets face it. Many Americans depend on the govt for survival.

#49 | Posted by jackass

You have hit on the problem ass. You surprised me this time.

So many would rather suck the government tit than work for a living.

Send 20 million illegals back home and see how many jobs that would create.

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