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Friday, March 12, 2010

Pat Caddell and Douglas Schoen: As pollsters to the past two Democratic presidents, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, respectively, we feel compelled to challenge the myths that seem to be prevailing in the political discourse and to once again urge a change in course before it is too late. Bluntly put, this is the political reality: First, the battle for public opinion has been lost. Comprehensive health care has been lost. If it fails, as appears possible, Democrats will face the brunt of the electorate's reaction. If it passes, however, Democrats will face a far greater calamitous reaction at the polls.

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How's that whole Iraq thing working out for you?

Obama inherited this problem... oh that's not right... It's Bush's fault... no that's not right.... It's talk radio's fault. It's racism. That's it. America is a bunch of gun toting bible hugging Limbaugh and Hannity loving white racists.

It's unprecedented how much they've accomplished in just one year.

It's unprecedented how much they've accomplished in just one year.

It's too bad the repubs were so interested in helping. They could have gotten so much more done.

How's that whole Iraq thing working out for you?

#1 | Posted by LetUsPrey at 2010-03-11 10:45 PM

Fine and dandy!

--Joe Biden

How's that whole Iraq thing working out for you?

"It's lost! All hope is gone!"

--Harry Reid

If it passes, however, Democrats will face a far greater calamitous reaction at the polls.

Let Spud be the first to call shenanigans on this BS.

Be Well.

I can't help but think that they could have actually accomplished something constructive if they had just put together a simple bill and let everyone know the details.

Instead, it seems like they have consistently tried to avoid doing exactly that.

How's that whole Iraq thing working out for you?

#1 | Posted by LetUsPrey

Barack America and I have righted that ship. -Joe Biden

Dem Pollsters: Health Reform Will Kill Party

I'll be a tap dancin on the grave!

C'mon November!!!

I can't help but think that they could have actually accomplished something constructive if they had just put together a simple bill and let everyone know the details.

Instead, it seems like they have consistently tried to avoid doing exactly that.

#8 | Posted by valis

I do think Americans wan't some healthcare reform but...... They were looking at bringing costs down, not a trashing of the entire system and government control.

The American people know that big government has fucked up everything it has touched.

It's unprecedented how much they've accomplished in just one year.

#3 | Posted by mysterytoy

I know you are joking but look at it serious for a moment..

obama Destroyed the CLINTON machine,...something gop couldnt do

he united the gop in ways that many of us thought not possible

and he is personnaly responsible for what COULD be the most viable ALTERNATE voice to come along in a long time

and of course, NO ONE On the right would even say out loud about taking the house back in 010....
but NOW???????????????????????????
??????

"The American people know that big government has fucked up everything it has touched."

A few of them are getting wise to the fact that it is the mega corporations that have been screwing them and that the only thing that can protect them from those corporations is government.

"He says Mr. Clinton cannot win the White House because of the revelations about his handling of the draft and his personal life. Butt of a Joke"

That's what Caddell had to say about Clinton in 1992. So much for his opinion.

www.nytimes.com

I know this doesn't go here but it seems that repub hate big government unless its the military. Make the social and political government as small as possible in the states, but expand the military and control all we can in the rest of the world. Maybe I am not getting something. Please enlightening me.

A few of them are getting wise to the fact that it is the mega corporations that have been screwing them and that the thing that protects those mega corporations from their own fuckups is government.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2010-03-12 04:05 PM

FTFY

Dem Pollsters: Health Reform Will Kill Party

I'll be a tap dancin on the grave!

C'mon November!!!

#10 | Posted by Docsmooth

Doc, the other night you mentioned you had lived in Michigan---GR, AA amongst others---it was late when I mentioned I had lived in GR and AA as well ---wonder what part of Grand Rapids you lived in?

A few of them are getting wise to the fact that it is the mega corporations that have been screwing them and that the only thing that can protect them from those corporations is government.

#13 | Posted by danni

Yep, that's right; the same government that encouraged and supported those large corporations---both of them have to go---both big corporations protected by the gov. and big government.

That's what Caddell had to say about Clinton in 1992. So much for his opinion.

www.nytimes.com

#14 | Posted by danni at 2010-03-12 04:06 PM

If a political analyst isn't right 100% of the time, he's to be ignored. lol!

I do think Americans wan't some healthcare reform but...... They were looking at bringing costs down, not a trashing of the entire system and government control.

The American people know that big government has fucked up everything it has touched.

#11 | Posted by Sniper

Bingo.

Pat Caddell predicts ruin on the Democrats all the time. He's another Dick Morris, a former high-profile Democrat who makes his living on Fox attacking his old party.

www.salon.com

"both of them have to go---both big corporations protected by the gov. and big government."

You guys are out of your minds!

Actually, with the dire warnings from McConnell, these guys, all the conservatives that if the Democrats dare pass health care it will be the end for the Democratic Party.....it makes me think they are afraid we are going to pass health care and it will mean exactly the opposite.
The American people aren't geniuses but I do believe when they know we have protections from health insurance companies they will be happy about it.

The American people aren't geniuses but I do believe when they know we have protections from health insurance companies they will be happy about it.

you are correct except for one word you incorrectly inserted into that sentence.

"...but I do believe when they think we have protections from health insurance......."

there...fixed it.

This is a sign of panic on the part of the the insurance industry and their paid stooges. The writing is on the wall and the Cheerleaders For FAILure are pulling out all the stops.

I can't imagine what they will try over the next 3 weeks but I'm sure it will be very creative and completely untrue.

both of them have to go---both big corporations protected by the gov. and big government.

Big corporations spend many more millions lobbying for deregulation and privatization than protection. In general, the smaller the government the better, as far as big business is concerned. The main exception is when they lobby for tariffs. They are certainly capable of talking out of both sides of their mouths.

This is a sign of panic on the part of the the insurance industry and their paid stooges.

I'll concede the "paid stooges" thing but I disagree that the insurance industry is panicing.

www.marketwatch.com

Big corporations spend many more millions lobbying for deregulation and privatization than protection. In general, the smaller the government the better, as far as big business is concerned. The main exception is when they lobby for tariffs. They are certainly capable of talking out of both sides of their mouths.

#26 | Posted by nullifidian

The focus of government has to go back to the average citizen and small business---if that happens we have a chance of a reinvigorated America.

- In general, the smaller the government the better, as far as big business is concerned.

Moment of Clarity Award

As I said last year, I hope the Dems win Congress and the White House because then we will know who to blame.

The Dems have no one to blame but themselves. They had veto proof majorities in both houses and could not pass this. They did not need one Repub vote to do whatever they wanted. To blame their inability to pass this on the Repubs is laughable.

It looks as if they are going to ignore the will of the people and use parlor tricks to pass this anyway. They do so at their own peril.

the government needs to introduce some basic regulations to limit corporations. they do not however need to run the corporations or expand their control over them.

"both of them have to go---both big corporations protected by the gov. and big government."

You guys are out of your minds!

#22 | Posted by danni

Now I know I've pinned the tail on the donkey.

In general, the smaller the government the better, as far as big business is concerned.

I don't understand...are you saying the car industry and the banks would have preferred a small govt to bail their sorry asses out?

the democrats are fascists not real liberals.

the health care bull is nothing more than a corporate bailout.

they deserve to lose the support of the people.

end of story.

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In general, the smaller the government the better, as far as big business is concerned.

I don't understand...are you saying the car industry and the banks would have preferred a small govt to bail their sorry asses out?
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department of fatherland security
nazification act
government intellectual property protections
the corporate person
war on...

small government my hairy white asshole...

The Democrat Congressmen who support this bill are flying into an epic political disaster. There will be swift and yet long last political consequences for the Party and the country should the bill pass.

I don't understand...are you saying the car industry and the banks would have preferred a small govt to bail their sorry asses out?

#33 | Posted by eberly at 2010-03-12 04:41 PM

Yeah, really. Big gov proponents like to conveniently ignore big gov's hand in propping up failed businesses it decides are "too big to fail." They can take risks (per big gov's blessing) and when times are good, reap the rewards. When times are bad, big gov steps in and puts the burden on us.

obama says = i believe in free markets

obama does = bail out the banks, continues wars and gets an award for it, department of fatherland security, nazification act, etc...

fucking dumb ass inbred motherfuckers here.

A few of them are getting wise to the fact that it is the mega corporations that have been screwing them and that the only thing that can protect them from those corporations is government.

#13 | Posted by danni

Jesus Christ Danni, your fear and loathing of corporations nearly matches...

...nearly matches my fear of midgets wearing assless chaps.

Just go ahead and pass it...

...we'll all learn to like it eventually.

MATSOP

I lived for a while in Wyoming, MI.

BENDOR

nearly matches my fear of midgets wearing assless chaps.

That visual has made me pass on dinner tonight...it was "rump roast"

Roberts is the leader of five, put in place by Shrub & his pappy to dismantle our social safety net. That's Robert's job and he is anxious to move on it. Then along comes Obama and even though Roberts can easily outlast him if he wants to, the fly is already in the ointment and his plans are asunder, if only temporarily.

Roberts shouldn't worry about Obama's chatter. The real question is will social unrest prevent his planned permanent changes.

oops,

The New Deal and Social-Democratic reforms that evolved out of the Great Depression and World War II were not courtesy of "benevolent" capitalism, voluntarily bestowed upon the poor and working people. They did not bother to explain that those reforms were, rather, the product of years of struggle by the working class and their allies against the brutalities of the capitalist systemstruggle that often entailed great sacrifices, including occasional loss of life. The anti-Depression and anti-war struggles of the 1930s and 1940s compelled the capitalist class to "carry out reform in order to prevent revolution," to paraphrase President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

The laissez-faire doctrine, which firmly believed in the self-correcting ability of unbridled market mechanism, was the dominant economic principle before to the Great Depression. The financial crash of 1929 and the consequent long Depression shattered this long-held, religious-like belief. The Depression, precipitated largely by predatory loan-pushing and the resulting unsustainable bubble of asset (stock) prices, made living conditions for the overwhelming majority of people extremely difficult. The ensuing economic distress, in turn, precipitated popular unrest.

Two principles lay at the core of the ensuing big business-government consensus reforms, which came to be known as the New Deal reforms. The first was that Adam Smith's "invisible hand" was not capable of resuscitating the badly depressed economy; it needed government's visible hand. The second principle was that government intervention must be limited to stimulative and distributive measures, and that the management of industries and businesses should be left to the private sector.

Facilitating and maintaining a certain level of purchasing power in the market was considered crucial to the New Deal package. While this would provide relief to the economically hard pressed, and thus reduce social tension, it would also stimulate the economy and promise stable growth and rising profitability.

The New Deal and other basic needs programs were put in place not so much because of F.D.R.'s or Keynes's genius, or the goodness of their heart, as they were because of the compelling pressure from the people. Freed (or feeling free) from that pressure, the government, as the executive body of the financial/economic oligarchy, is now trying to undermine those social safety net programs, and revive the pre-New Deal/pre-Keynesian economic orthodoxy, that is, the economic model of the survival of the fittest. This sinister, profit-driven effort at undermining the poor and working people's hard-won basic needs programs can be stopped only through a renewed and compelling pressure from the grassrootspressure that must be exerted not through the Democratic Party machine but independent of the so-called two-party system.

Excerpted from Ismael Hossein-zadeh @ Counterpunch

Meanwhile, teabaggers repeating completey nonsensical talking points are drowning out voices of reason and solutions that will really work.

MATSOP

I lived for a while in Wyoming, MI.

#40 | Posted by Docsmooth

Southeast GR---Alger Heights area.

#43 | Posted by nutcase

Questionable how much Keynes' ideas played out in the great depression---in fact, Roosevelt seemed to be more interested in increasing taxes then Keynesian policies---the amount of debt as a % of GDP was not as great as our situation---also, it is felt by a large % of economists that FDR's New Deal programs delayed a recovery----most of the other industrialized countries that came out of the depression earlier then the US weren't as aggressive as we were with programs. Maybe Barack will do better since FDR wasn't a very good student when he went to Harvard.

The American people know that big government has fucked up everything it has touched.

#11 | POSTED BY SNIPER

yeah..

medicare, mediaid, social security, the military, the fbi, the educational system, the highway system, the national parks system..

holy mackeral.. what a bunch of fuckups.

medicare, mediaid, social security, the military, the fbi, the educational system, the highway system, the national parks system..

holy mackeral.. what a bunch of fuckups.

#46 | Posted by Legio

Medicare----BROKE

Medicaid----BROKE

Social Security----BROKE

Educational system----Most states broke with declining math and reading skills along with discipline problems and dumbing down.

Second, the country is moving away from big government, with distrust growing more generally toward the role of government in our lives. Scott Rasmussen asked last month whose decisions people feared more in health care: that of the federal government or of insurance companies. By 51 percent to 39 percent, respondents feared the decisions of federal government more. This is astounding given the generally negative perception of insurance companies.

CNN found last month that 56 percent of Americans believe that the government has become so powerful it constitutes an immediate threat to the freedom and rights of citizens. When only 21 percent of Americans say that Washington operates with the consent of the governed, as was also reported last month, we face an alarming crisis.

Health care is no longer a debate about the merits of specific initiatives. Since the spectacle of Christmas dealmaking to ensure passage of the Senate bill, the issue, in voters' minds, has become less about health care than about the government and a political majority that will neither hear nor heed the will of the people.

Voters are hardly enthralled with the GOP, but the Democrats are pursuing policies that are out of step with the way ordinary Americans think and feel about politics and government. Barring some change of approach, they will be punished severely at the polls.

Now, we vigorously opposed Republican efforts in the Bush administration to employ the "nuclear option" in judicial confirmations. We are similarly concerned by Democrats' efforts to manipulate passage of a health-care bill. Doing so in the face of constant majority opposition invites a backlash against the party at every level -- and at a time when it already faces the prospect of losing 30 or more House seats and eight or more Senate seats.

For Democrats to begin turning around their political fortunes there has to be a frank acknowledgement that the comprehensive health-care initiative is a failure, regardless of whether it passes. There are enough Republican and Democratic proposals -- such as purchasing insurance across state lines, malpractice reform, incrementally increasing coverage, initiatives to hold down costs, covering preexisting conditions and ensuring portability -- that can win bipartisan support. It is not a question of starting over but of taking the best of both parties and presenting that as representative of what we need to do to achieve meaningful reform. Such a proposal could even become a template for the central agenda items for the American people: jobs and economic development.

Unless the Democrats fundamentally change their approach, they will produce not just a march of folly but also run the risk of unmitigated disaster in November.

Patrick H. Caddell is a political commentator and former pollster. Douglas E. Schoen, a pollster, is the author of "The Political Fix."

When Pat Caddell--I mean Pat Caddell!! comes out and writes this--the Dems had better read every word--which I am sure they are this very moment.

And guide themselves accordingly...

If it passes, Reps can run on simply one word.

Repeal.

Pat Caddell is nothing but a self-loathing sell-out whore on Faux News blah blah blah blah blah.

(I saved a lot of people a lot of time)

If it passes, Reps can run on simply one word.

Repeal.

Only if they can override a veto.

After being threatened by the DNC...all Dems. MUST vote FOR the Bill...NO EXCEPTTIONS; but there are exceptions.

What we have to remember is this:

THIS BILL WAS WRITTEN BY AND FOR ONLY
THOSE WHO WOULD OR WILL PROFIT FROM IT.

THIS BILL WILL TURN AMERICANS INTO MURDERERS
DUE TO THE SUBSIDIZED ABORTION CLAUSE.

THIS BILL WILL CAUSE YOU TO PAY MORE AND DOCTORS TO BE PAID LESS AND WILL TURN YOU AND THE REST OF US INTO A GIGANTIC MONEY MACHINE TO ENRICH THE INSURANCE COMPANIES AND PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES.

WE HAVE "HIRED" THROUGH ELECTION ALL SENATORS, BUT THEY DO NOT REPRESENT US IN THE CONGRESS. THEY REPRESENT THE MONEY INTERESTS AND SOCIALIST-LEANING LOBBY FOR THE ABOVE CORPORATE INTERESTS.

THE COMMISSARIAT DESCRIBED IN THE FIRST 5 PAGES OF THIS BILL WILL KILL OLD PEOPLE, THE WEAK, AND THOSE WHOSE LIVES HAVE "LITTLE" SOCIAL MEANING. IT IS IDENTICAL IN SPIRIT TO THE TIERGARTEN PROGRAM STARTED IN THE 1930'S IN HITLER'S GERMANY TO BEGIN TO MANUFACTURE CONSENT FOR THE HOLOCAUST.

THIS BILL IS THE LAST PUSH FOR THE FINAL FULL EMPOWERMENT OF SOVIET STYLE MARXIST-LENINIST COMMUNISM IN AMERIKA. VOT ON

With the way this is shaping up they very well may have a veto vote in November.

Not sure if they would have this in the Senate--not enough running for re-election.

Of all the insurance 'agencies' the one that has the highest percentage of turned down claims is not among any of the private insurance agencies - Medicare is the worse at approx 6.3%. Do you still think you are better off with govt run healthcare???

Medicare----BROKE

Medicaid----BROKE

Social Security----BROKE

Educational system----Most states broke with declining math and reading skills along with discipline problems and dumbing down.

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what you aren't telling people is that those programs were defunded under reagan to fund his wars.

i know i know. people don't remember that reagan shifted the tax burden for roads etc to the states and took those monies for the department of war, while raiding the ss trust fund. THE COMBINATION OF LARGEST TAX INCREASES SINCE THE NEW DEAL!

except that his targeted the non-wealthy which is why all the states are going broke.

STATES RIGHTS!!!!

fucking imbeciles.

#48 | Posted by beezelybub

Section 14, paragraph 2, subparagraph 3 states:

"Insurers must provide treatment for caps overusers"

not going to happen..If anything health reform outrage will be replaced with "thank yous" once in place.

medicare, mediaid, social security, the military, the fbi, the educational system, the highway system, the national parks system..

holy mackeral.. what a bunch of fuckups.

#46 | Posted by Legio

Medicare----BROKE

Medicaid----BROKE

Social Security----BROKE

Educational system----Most states broke with declining math and reading skills along with discipline problems and dumbing down.

#47 | Posted by matsop

I notice you left out the rights pet social program "the military" which has been draining our economy out of TRILLIONS for DECADES.

ALL of these programs could easily have been funded and kept solvent if RAY-GUN hadn't gutted them in the 80's..

You guys are witless.

fucking imbeciles.

#50 | Posted by Shawn

the boomers are the cause of their own demise..

Now would be a good time to demand voter ID, start putting in place the necessary deterrants for voter fraud in the next election. Clamp down on the black panthers, acorn and all union thugs or all those that scammed the last general election to put that worthless piece of dog shit in the White House. Let's not forget those ever pesky absentee ballots that have a tendancy to reproduce like rabbits behind closed doors and back seats of cars in favor of the marxists. The marxist just go on to prove how worthless their ideology truly is.
The citizens of the United States will not let this travesty stand.

the boomers are the cause of their own demise..

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i believe in the free market..... :(

GOP Jealousy

#23 DANNI
You regularly amaze me with your lefty cluelessness, and I am prepared to put my money where my mouth is.

I will bet you $5,000 that when the communists in Washington ram their government take-over health bill into law -- the result will be a hemorrhaging of Democrat seats in the next elections.

I'm totally serious and we can connect off the board to set the conditions.

There is absolutely NO doubt that voter backlash will bury liberals after this.

What do you say?? You up for it?

JM

"A few of them are getting wise to the fact that it is the mega corporations that have been screwing them and that the only thing that can protect them from those corporations is government."

#13 | Posted by danni at 2010-03-12 04:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Because the human beings in charge of corporations are somehow "greedy" and the human beings in charge of big government are somehow immune to the greed and corruption; "selfless saints" no doubt? Got it!

When (if) you grow up you might understand that it is about those with power and those without. Period! Decentralization of corporate influence as well as government is the key, not centralization.

end the corporate person.

Now would be a good time to demand voter ID, start putting in place the necessary deterrants for voter fraud in the next election. Clamp down on the black panthers, acorn and all union thugs or all those that scammed the last general election to put that worthless piece of dog shit in the White House. Let's not forget those ever pesky absentee ballots that have a tendancy to reproduce like rabbits behind closed doors and back seats of cars in favor of the marxists. The marxist just go on to prove how worthless their ideology truly is.
The citizens of the United States will not let this travesty stand.

#55 | POSTED BY RIGHTNUT

hey stupid fuck.. the right has just as many corporate and other cock gobbling organizations that contribute to the problem. Belief that "your side" hold the keys to righteous leadership is just plain stupid.

Please get informed or die off. Either would be fine.

hey stupid fuck.. the right has just as many corporate and other cock gobbling organizations that contribute to the problem. Belief that "your side" hold the keys to righteous leadership is just plain stupid.

Not even close there Bucko.
TH U.S has the Chicago thugs with their Union Bosses in Washington with one party rule.

C'mon November!

Not even close there Bucko.
TH U.S has the Chicago thugs with their Union Bosses in Washington with one party rule.
C'mon November!
#62 | POSTED BY DOCSMOOTH

Prove that the right aren't a bunch of corrupt scum fucks..

You can't because people are the same when it comes to money and power. You think otherwise you are just plain stupid.

The American people know that big government has fucked up everything it has touched.

Posted by Sniper

Yeah, that "big government" Air Force sucks ass! The State of Alabama could make a Seawolf class submarine better than "big government".

They should have legislated everyone in the Manhattan Project actually live in the Gashouse District.

There is a road sign on the west end of I40 that reads, '4,540 miles to Raleigh, NC'. An entire oil change worth of smooth, straight 4-lanes hitting every major city along the way (some of those "major" because of I40). That drive would be so much better if "big government" would have let CA, AZ, NM, TX, OK, AR, TN, and NC work something out.

Democrats know that unless the bill passes, they will have nothing to sell and, under those circumstances, all will be loss. That is why, in the final analysis, the bill will pass and the Democrats will declare victory.

Once the bill passes, the Democrat's message machine will go all out because there will be something concrete to talk about. There will be the benefits that take place immediately (i.e. children staying on their parent's policies until age 26, high risk pools where people with pre-existing conditions will at least be able to buy insurance, etc.) which the Democrats will have an easy time selling. There will also be the long term benefits of a reduction in the national debt (as per the CBO) and the coverage of 30+ million additional people.

It's going to be interesting to see how the Republicans handle the vote to fix some of the items in the senate bill demanded by the house i.e. Louisiana Purchase, Missouri Compromise, etc.

"The State of Alabama could make a Seawolf class submarine better than "big government".

#71 | Posted by BluSky at 2010-03-13 02:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

Two Words, General Dynamics; and it isn't government owned....yet.

There will also be the long term benefits of a reduction in the national debt (as per the CBO) and the coverage of 30+ million additional people.

If you actually believe that, I def have some swamp land to sell ya!

#37 | Posted by Shawn at 2010-03-12 04:49 PM | Reply | Flag: Is extremely loving.

If you actually believe that, I def have some swamp land to sell ya!

Which of those long term items do you think won't happen: Reduction in national debt or the coverage of 30+ million additional people?

Which of those long term items do you think won't happen: Reduction in national debt or the coverage of 30+ million additional people?

Both, and I'm will to put some hard cash on the line if Vegas will take the odds...

C'mon, a socialsist Gubment keeping costs in line...or even keeping their promises....Ba-ha-ha-ha...

"The State of Alabama could make a Seawolf class submarine better than "big government".
#71 | Posted by BluSky at 2010-03-13 02:28 AM | Reply | Flag:
Two Words, General Dynamics; and it isn't government owned....yet.

#73 | POSTED BY DIRK

two words.. bull shit..

Without US taxpayer dollars GD would be nothing.

"Without US taxpayer dollars GD would be nothing."
#78 | Posted by Legio

Is this your point. I mean really is this as good as it gets?

So the only way we can get tax payer dollars to GD is to have "Big Government" rather then a smaller Federal Government. Example the one that won WW1 and WW2 by organizing the Industrial Might of the United States.

You should just stick to name calling.

"both of them have to go---both big corporations protected by the gov. and big government."

You guys are out of your minds!

#22 | Posted by danni at 2010-03-12 04:24 PM | Reply

And Danny KNOWS all about being out of your mind! she is the expert on the subject having not ever been in her mind...which is probably a good thing because it would be filled with cob webs and horse shit, and flaming flying ass holes!

"Without US taxpayer dollars GD would be nothing."
#78 | Posted by Legio
Is this your point. I mean really is this as good as it gets?
So the only way we can get tax payer dollars to GD is to have "Big Government" rather then a smaller Federal Government. Example the one that won WW1 and WW2 by organizing the Industrial Might of the United States.
You should just stick to name calling.

#79 | POSTED BY DIRK

Who would they sell the technology to dumbass? Chinese? Russia? They are made by the Military industrial complex (aka american tax dollars) and if the dollars disappear so does the massive corporate structure to fund it.. pretty simple but perhaps too much for you to understand.

really don't understand YOUR point stimpy.

"really don't understand YOUR point stimpy."
#81 | Posted by Legio

Why does this not surprise me. Like I said, stick to name calling rather then another lame attempt at intelligent debate. I wouldn't want someone on here mistaking you for an adult.

"really don't understand YOUR point stimpy."
#81 | Posted by Legio

Why does this not surprise me. Like I said, stick to name calling rather then another lame attempt at intelligent debate.

Than

I get so sick of libs who keep blaming all our problems on mega-corporations! This is nothing but bullshit! If it weren't for mega-corporations, many of you would be sleeping under a friggin bridge! The reason our country is the greatest place in the world to live is because of free-markets, capitalism, and in many cases, MEGA-CORPORATIONS! If you want socialism, then leave and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!

Dougluvsgolf-
re: If it weren't for mega-corporations, many of you would be sleeping under a friggin bridge!

Why? Or is the assertion all you have? What led you to this conclusion, and what do you have to back it up?

"really don't understand YOUR point stimpy."
#81 | Posted by Legio
Why does this not surprise me. Like I said, stick to name calling rather then another lame attempt at intelligent debate.
Than

#83 | POSTED BY DIRK

You haven't made a single point or inference to what you are talking about. I would be shocked if anyone on the whole thread could figure that out.

It might help to finish a sentence with more than "Than...".

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