Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Tuesday, March 09, 2010

After decades of decline that has gutted many once-vibrant neighborhoods -- leaving 33,500 empty houses and 91,000 vacant residential lots by one estimate -- Detroit is preparing a radical renewal effort on a scale never attempted in this country: returning a large swath of the city to fields or farmland, much like it was in the middle of the 19th century.

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What a novel idea. Good luck, Detroit

"Operating on a scale never before attempted in this country, the city would demolish houses in some of the most desolate sections of Detroit and move residents into stronger neighborhoods. Roughly a quarter of the 139-square-mile city could go from urban to semi-rural."

(hope that isn't too much AP quote)

the best of luck to 'em . . .

at first glance the plan appears entirely logical as they already have a labor pool of dependent illiterate peasants conditioned to be content as "dependent illiterate peasants"

at first glance the plan appears entirely logical as they already have a labor pool of dependent illiterate peasants conditioned to be content as "dependent illiterate peasants"
#3 | Posted by markh at 2010-03-09 | Flag: Aspires to Dependent Illiterate Peasanthood

That is a good plan. However knowing the political makeup of the average politician, it will be full of infighting and fraud, cost way more than planned and accomplish half of what it promises to do.

Best of luck to them.

It would be even nicer to see people start raising food on that same land. Maybe as a community co-opt, tenant farming or even commercial farming. Growing food is always a good idea because people need to eat.

This is a great idea. Gentrification and this plan are wonderful ideas.

But how do you prevent the theft of the food?

Does the land have any nutrients after all that pollution

Does the land have any nutrients after all that pollution

#9 | Posted by NotMyRealName

As long as it's residential, shouldn't be much of a problem (or are you being facetious---referring to the inhabitants?).

#8 Matsop> But how do you prevent the theft of the food?

Good question, I had not even thought about that. It's a lot different growing food in a rural or even a suburban area than in a large city. Right now we wage war with local deer over who gets to eat out of our garden.

I read this earlier and this is probably their best solution

#8 Matsop> But how do you prevent the theft of the food?

Good question, I had not even thought about that. It's a lot different growing food in a rural or even a suburban area than in a large city. Right now we wage war with local deer over who gets to eat out of our garden.

#11 | Posted by AKat

The idea is a great idea---I live in Michigan on the other side of the state and thought about this possibility---Some of these lots and home go dirt cheap and it would not take a lot of capital to acquire significant acreage---however, am not enough of an entrepreneur to move toward Detroit.

DETROIT. FARMS. talk about an easy lead in!!!

Air pollution has a horrible effect on crops. The smog has traveled to many of the downtown sections. Unless they did this far from the factories, i doubt that it will be successful.

Air pollution has a horrible effect on crops. The smog has traveled to many of the downtown sections. Unless they did this far from the factories, i doubt that it will be successful.

#15 | Posted by NotMyRealName

Concentrated CO2 is great for growing.

Air pollution has a horrible effect on crops. The smog has traveled to many of the downtown sections. Unless they did this far from the factories, i doubt that it will be successful.

#15 | Posted by NotMyRealName

Also, what factories?

I tried to find specific on residential areas of Detroit, but i basically got that it just sucks.

As a former resident of that portion of MI I can tell you that the numbers here are a VERY low estimate. The last I heard the abandoned homes/lots number was closer to 200,000. There is an excellent source of information about Detroit and pictures of the Michigan wilderness literally moving back into the city, some of it looks like that History Channel show "Life After Humans". I hope this works for them, something needs to.

Linky:

www.detroitblog.org

Interesting stuff.

- M

Racer,

I have lived in Michigan my whole life and spend a fair amount of time in Detroit.

Yes, the 'hoods' are in absolute shambles. However, the pics your link provided are VERY selective. Plant-life is barely making a dent - those pics are not at all representative of what the city looks like as a whole. And by city, I am talking about the delapidated neighborhoods, not the occasional oasises that pock the general downtown area.

Wonder where they'll get THE workers for the planta...er...farms? We need to hurry and get illegals into our system! There will be so many jobs there "ordinary" Americans of all stripes just won't do!

Yes there are major issues with growing crops in urban areas. Problem number 1 Lead from automotive exhaust. It's still there. Mostly it on the outside so if you wash it well, the lead is gone. There are other issues and polutants as well. Google it. Some interesting stuff came out in the past couple years.

You can count on pastures of Cannabis. It is Detroit after all.

But seriously I love the idea. Wouldn't hurt to eventually redevelop as well... If you wipe out complete zones there are a lot of people that would love to move into new and fresh neighborhoods in the city that live an hour drive away now. You simply don't find great neighborhoods in the city today. You find lots and lots of ghetto and abandoned building - manufacturing and housing.

"But how do you prevent the theft of the food?"

What good is uncooked food?

I don't think that raw veggies are in high demand for thieves. And I'm pretty sure that the poor aren't going to be content with cukes and celery when they can use food stamps to be prepared foods.

The areas under consideration are vast and quite close together. I think this is a great idea. Detroit's population is half what it was in the 1950's, the factories are gone. This makes perfect sense. Another plus it that Detroit has of late become quite the place to film movies with NYC looking areas, etc. This would only add one more look in the same geographical area.

JEFFJ is right about the dilapidated neighborhoods, but this effort is exactly what that's designed to address. Relocate those on streets with only a couple occupied houses and turn the neighborhoods into farmland. Getting corporations to farm it would be easy.

It would be even nicer to see people start raising food on that same land. Maybe as a community co-opt............. a good idea because people need to eat.

#6 | Posted by AKat

Right out of the old book komrad.

Who will own the land?

Who will get any profit?

Will the new owner sell it back to developers in another 5 years?

There are lots more questions than I have seen answers.

They should plant cotton.

I lived in MI for two decades.

All liberals shoud be forced to live in or near Detriot to see what the left's "political policies" have done to that once great city and state.

Between the unions the total incompetance and criminality of the elected officials (all Dem's)this city is dead! Put a fork in it!

Their public school system should be disolved and the school board jailed!

Read this news tagline from last week:

"As if Detroit doesn't have enough problems these days, the president of the city's school board offered the shocking admission that he can't pen a coherent sentence"

The city of "affirmative action" and one party rule is a cesspool and getting worse each day.

White flight - that occurred in city after city in the 1960's - had nothing whatsoever to do with 'lib' policies. Right wing policies wouldn't have made the slightest difference. White people moved to the suburbs in droves. Started happening all over the U.S. following WW2.

I lived in MI for two decades.

#27 | Posted by Docsmooth

Still live there---maybe I'll be the last one to turn out the lights---so, Doc, in what area of the state did you live?

AMERICANUNITY

You do not have a clue of what your talking about.

High taxes, anti-business policies and the huge welfare benifits where the root cause.

Every major city in MI, except Grand Rapids, which is a Repub "island," is a shit hole!

I was there from the late 70" to the early 90's and saw it first hand.

The Dem's campaign on redistribution of wealth and followed through with all their "giveaways" to the non producers, so the tax base as well as the manufacturing base headed south and now overseas due to overregulation and unionization.

The Lib's love the employees but hate the employers.

Matsop

Grand Rapids, Ann Arbor, and the Det Metro area.
(Both Downriver and Birmingham at different times)

You?

Is there any hope for change?

Get it...:)

I have been reading about this line of thought for some time. With as cheap as property is, it should be possible to buy a house (or two) and enough lots on a block to create a farmstead. I see no reason to tear out streets and existing utilities. The city can cap the lines if they no longer wish to supply the area. Sewers and water lines could be repurposed to cisterns. An old house could be used as a barn, or greenhouse. I forsee more trouble actually assembling a whole block, and getting the city to let you treat it as a farm.

You do not have a clue of what your talking about. I was there from the late 70" to the early 90's and saw it first hand.

It happened long before then. I grew up in the Detroit suburbs while it was happening. By the late 70's white flight was nearly complete and Detroit lost most of its tax base as property values in the city plummeted with more sellers moving out than buyers moving in. Detroit was by no means unique in people moving to the suburbs. Happened in nearly every major city in America.

What do you think enabled people to be able to afford to move to the suburbs? Good wages.

I went to Realtor.com and searched the listings for houses in Detroit. It looks to me like some of them could be torn down and reassembled elsewhere. I'd love to have some of the antique brick from some of the commercial buildings, too. Too bad I live 400 miles away.

What do you think enabled people to be able to afford to move to the suburbs? Good wages.

AND A LOWER TAX BURDEN....

Hey, Am1st Glad to see your computer is working A-OK

Ya, there are a ton of houses with oak moldings, cool fireplaces, etc. Most of the homes in Detroit were built solid as stone.

Somebody could make a pile of money with a semi full of hardwood, oak moldings and doors, fireplaces, etc.

AND A LOWER TAX BURDEN....

Not true. The property tax rate were higher in the suburbs in addition to the values being higher resulting in a higher property tax bill.

The only time they may have been lower were when areas like Sterling Heights were unincorporated areas. Once they all became cities, property tax rates were high.

Am1st

You can buy any vacant property in Detroit for $1.

Someone could make some serious money tearing them down and selling pieces (as described above).

Unfortunetly the folks who are displaced by this bulldozing of Detroit wouldn't even make good slaves on those new farms.

Ya know, at Detroit's latitude, spring and summer would be great times to plant some hemp, little senz bud and go to town!!!

Sustainable crops in the lower east side!!

Where is the tax money is this hair-brained idea??

I wonder if they've run the numbers on what it costs to grow carrots...

...on Union wages?

Matsop

Grand Rapids, Ann Arbor, and the Det Metro area.
(Both Downriver and Birmingham at different times)

You?

Is there any hope for change?

Get it...:)

#31 | Posted by Docsmooth

Grand Rapids, Ann Arbor and now Grand Haven (Spring Lake)---what part of Grand Rapids?

Nope, haven't seen any hope for change, yet.

"The Dem's campaign on redistribution of wealth and followed through with all their "giveaways" to the non producers, so the tax base as well as the manufacturing base headed south and now overseas due to overregulation and unionization."

Er....you might have a point except that why did they leave the south where there were no unions???
That little detail shoots a hole in your anti-working class argument. America is one of the only places on Earth where a large portion of the working class hates itself.

Liberals (now progressives again) should come with a warning label: Danger when powered up! They're not to be tolerated near the levers of power.

Don't forget, Liberty, Glenn also told you you're against "social justice."

"Liberals (now progressives again)"

No, we're still liberals, Glenn Beck doesn't get to tell us who or what we are or how to think.
BTW, the current economic catastrophe is entirely the fault of those who call themselves conservatives.

...you you're against "social justice."

I don't know what you and your little friends mean by "social justice." If it means punishing those who kept their noses to the grindstone, completed schooling, succeeded at work and in business and rewarding the slouchers and neer-do-wells, then I'm against it too. You know, kinda like taking MY money to buy health insurance for patients like THIS:

www.snopes.com

I AM, however, in favor of helping those in dire straits through no fault of their own. The fact that there are so many recipients on the dole like the one above makes it impossible to really help the ones in need with a respectable existence.

Matsop and Docsmothy,

I went to college at that liberal garbage dump in Ann Arbor. That place is over run with libs. After they bulldoze Detroit, Ann Arbor should be next.

"Detroit, the very symbol of American industrial might for most of the 20th century, is drawing up a radical renewal plan that calls for turning large swaths of this now-blighted, rusted-out city back into the fields and farmland that existed before the automobile."

You want to make this idea a guaranteed winner? Use the fields to grow weed.

"You want to make this idea a guaranteed winner? Use the fields to grow weed."

Raw vegetables probably wouldn't be stolen, but mature cannabis plants? You would have to have armed guards. If one could figure out the security it would be a huge boost to their economy.

"You would have to have armed guards."

Plenty of qualified candidates in Detroit but for many of them, armed guard would be a demotion as far as their position in the drug trade goes.

You want to make this idea a guaranteed winner? Use the fields to grow weed.

#51 | Posted by Sully

That's awesome!

To those that understand (probably) and yet ignore:

You must keep this in mind: the left gets and retains power because they promise what the masses want to hear: something for nothing, the destruction of privilege, and the overthrow of wealth. Their message is simple, emotional, and easily understood by even the simplest and most ignorant folk; it appeals to all their baser instincts: greed, sloth, envy, and hatred; while at the same time attracting the intellectual classes by appealing to their noblest instincts: a desire for justice, peace, and equality. Indeed, many of them even fool themselves with their own propaganda, genuinely believing they are making the world a better place.

The message of conservatives and libertarians, on the other hand, appeals not to emotions and feelings, but to reason, the capacity for which most people, especially the masses entirely lack. It is simply impossible to explain to the average man, who is wholly incapable of rational thought, that the gleaming promises of the left are false and in the end will leave him worse off than he is now; to him the arguments of the right, which require education and intelligence to understand, are the ones that seem false, pernicious, and self-serving. Contrary to the common belief, the truth does not often win out in the end; for attractive lies that appeal to the emotions, especially the baser ones, will always defeat rational, but unattractive truth.

The right can never do more than fight a hopeless rearguard action against the left, which must inevitably triumph in the end. Emotion, ignorance, stupidity, folly, idealism, and the force of history are on its side; we have only the pitiful power of rational argument on ours. Tyranny, slavery, poverty, and misery are the inevitable fate of mankind. The liberty we enjoyed in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries were but a brief aberration in the long history of oppression that is the normal condition of man through the ages.

I wonder if they've run the numbers on what it costs to grow carrots...

...on Union wages?

#6 Akat> It would be even nicer to see people start raising food on that same land. Maybe as a community co-opt............. a good idea because people need to eat.

#25 Sniper> Right out of the old book komrad.

I was thinking of a 'food co-opt' featured on a TV show I watched in the past month or so. It seemed to work the same as a business where the employees were the only stockholders. All employees had a stake in the success of the business. It might spawn a few jobs and would also teach people the basics of growing their own food.

Several other posters brought up things I had not considered, including security, pollution, and ownership of the land itself. I still see growing food as a viable alternative to letting it stay unused or someone building more houses (assuming the market ever picks back up).

Btw, in Russky land, they use 'tovarish' for komrad. {wink}

Detriot Dem's in action:

www.youtube.com

Here's Dem Sen John Conyers wife, who was just sentenced to 3 years in prison for accepting bribes, ironically, from a "sludge" company.

You wonder why the city's is toast, these are the ass-clowns that get elected in the "one party rule" city.

Again...all DEMS!

Oh yea, Ebonics is taught in the public schools...
We be gittin ready fo some-o-dat power baby!

This is a good basic idea of a plan but Detroit has i wrong. Again.

What they need to do, rather than dump more money into tearing things down, is simply unincorporate the parts that don't make the city money.

Yea, shrinking the city is a good idea but if you don't unincorporate it then the size of the city remains the same and you simply have more publicly owned land taking away from the tax base.

Why not just tax the booze, drugs, and whores? Typical liberal government, instead of getting private sector tax money, they socialize the area and create nothing but more government waste.

According to the article one of the main goals in this effort is to consolidate neighborhoods so city services can be focused - police, firemen, etc.

As the article points out many neighborhoods only have 1-3 residents living on a given street.

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