Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Tuesday, March 09, 2010

The victims of Sunday's sectarian massacres were buried in mass graves in central Nigeria on Monday as survivors told horrific stories of Christian villagers being trapped in nets and hacked to death by Muslim herdsmen. Reports on the death toll differed wildly, with some placing it at about 200 and others reporting 528 killed and thousands injured. "It was an ambush," said human rights lawyer Shehu Sani. "The attackers killed whoever they caught. It was mostly women who stayed behind to defend their children that became most of the victims."

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"This year's attacks have had a more sinister pattern: They are carefully planned and brutal, with hundreds of villagers killed -- including babies, the elderly and anyone else unable to flee."

Like YOU care what happens to Christians - you're probably secretly cheering this.

Forgive them, for they know not what they do.

Well isn't that special.

Do you care? Or do you hold Muslims in a smidgen bit more contempt than you do Christians?

So judgmental. Tsk tsk.

Letus, please just answer the question, I don't want o listen to the complaining from the "Christians". Just make the obvious statement that we all know is true in this case anyway, that the Christians have attacked the Muslim villages before in similar manners and killed women, children and men in their village all the same.

Both are hypocritical in regard to their texts, and both are pieces of trash that are confessors and hearers, but surely not doers.

I would imagine that most of the individuals involved were not Muslims or Christians, but rather human beings playing dress up as so respectively.

These people don't understand forgiveness, compassion, or the texts they espouse to believe.

Nanc, shame on you for being so partisan to the situation without realizing that the "Christians" do the same thing over there.

I'm not cheering any senseless killing. The left has made no bones about the fact they'd like to see all Christians dead. This ought to please them no end.

"The left has made no bones about the fact they'd like to see all Christians dead."

Bullshit.

"The left has made no bones about the fact they'd like to see all Christians dead."

Bullshit.
#8 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

Ditto

The left has made no bones about the fact they'd like to see all Christians dead. This ought to please them no end.
#7 | Posted by nanc

Link please.
Or, please, STFU.

#6 Expsredemption> Both are hypocritical in regard to their texts, and both are pieces of trash that are confessors and hearers, but surely not doers.

It goes to show that people (family/village/region/nation) can be called "Christian" or "Muslim" but do not really hold to the tenets of what their faith teaches. The old saying is still true: if you're going to talk the talk, you need to walk the walk.

It could also be pointed out that if villagers have firearms and a wee bit of training, such attacks might stop after the first one. Nothing like getting shot up to put attackers into retreat mode.

This is horrid! The fact that this is going to be used to justify further violence is even more so.

Fine Kan, train them with rubber bullets and tear gas. Then no one has to die and the attackers will not be severely injured. A wall could also work, nets, a moat, etc.

"It goes to show that people (family/village/region/nation) can be called "Christian" or "Muslim" but do not really hold to the tenets of what their faith teaches."

100% truth :)

tribal cultures.

Fine Kan, train them with rubber bullets and tear gas.

Huh? This action will bring about a reaction which will be used by the other side to react to the reaction. Have we not learned anything by watching how the Israelis and Palestinians behave, or how the Democrats and Republicans act?

We need to definitively and ultimately separate them, as I don't think they will be learning proper behavior any time soon.

Unfortunately human nature renders violence. As I said in another thread, it is not natural to love, someone has to make the intentional choice to love others.

There is a good book out, it is called "Hurt people, hurt people".

We are all hurt in some way. most people that are hurt try to absolve the problem by hurting others, thus creating an endless cycle.

We are all hurt in some way. most people that are hurt try to absolve the problem by hurting others, thus creating an endless cycle.


Basis of Fraternity hazing.

"The left has made no bones about the fact they'd like to see all Christians dead."

Might be the dumbest thing posted on the DR so far this year.

Which is reaaaallly saying sommat.

On Topic?

Murder is a sin.

Killing in the name of any God is antithetical to the stated goals and philosophies of practically every mainstream religion.

Be Well.

These are basically land/territorial disputes that would be happening no matter which religions were being scapegoated for the actions.

"This is horrid! The fact that this is going to be used to justify further violence is even more so."

I'd say more violence is not only justified but necessary. Problem is Christ a pacificist while the other folks are following the teachings of a warlord. If these Christians hope to survive they need to put down the Bible and pick up some guns. Either that or get the hell out of Dodge.

If they don't have oil, we don't give a shit what they do.

---Us Foreign Policy for past 40 years.---

#20 | Posted by Sully at 2010-03-09 12:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Christ was not a pacifist, he was against unnecessary violence. I don't think that killing is going to help, rather prevention by any means other than death.

#22

Um, which necessary earthly violence was JC for?

"Christ was not a pacifist, he was against unnecessary violence."

He allowed himself to be beaten half to death and then nailed to a cross and ultimately murdered by a bunch of dirtbags while asking God to forgive them. He wasn't exactly Rambo when it came to sticking up for himself - even in the face of unjust persecution. And as Corky hinted, he never advocated violence in any way. I know he spoke out against it quite a bit.

"I don't think that killing is going to help, rather prevention by any means other than death."

The murderers are trapping people in nets like something out of Planet of the Apes. These aren't the type that responds well to reason. They have to be shown that their victims will fight back with as much force as necessary to stop the attacks.

Um, which necessary earthly violence was JC for?
#23 | Posted by Corky

LOL. I really want to hear an answer for that one.

Violence is not always rendered against person. Violence can be rendered in terms of attitude.

Remember when Jesus went into the temple and drove them out with a fashioned cord, turning over tables etc?

I think that was an example of violence, yet not violence against person.

He advocated non violence against person, not necessarily non violence in and of itself.

Anger has its place, however misplaced anger is not acceptable.

Jesus also understood that the government had a right to enact violence in terms of punishment. If no one had sinned, a stone could have been throne. etc.

-He advocated non violence against person, not necessarily non violence in and of itself.

A distinction without a difference.

He showed anger, and turned over a few tables, but to say that means that Jesus approved of violence is ludicrous on it's face.

A pacifist is against war and violence in general, and Jesus was a pacifist.

Nanc, this is a tragedy, and you accuse someone of being happy about it?

"you're probably secretly cheering this."

Are you kidding me?
No seriously, are you fucking kidding me?

"I'm not cheering any senseless killing."

Oh, well goodie for you.
Not cheering senseless killing....we're all so proud.
Instead you accuse someone else of it.

"The left has made no bones about the fact they'd like to see all Christians dead. "

Oh, nice.
"The left".
As if there's an actual group of them, and they all openly want this.

How far up your ass can your head possibly be today?
Did your ego get bruised by someone today, so you're taking it out online?

You're being absolutely despicable.
This is "Christian" behavior???

"Shame on you" doesn't even begin to cover it.

#6 | POSTED BY EXPSREDEMPTION
"Letus, please just answer the question"

Could not disagree more.
The question itself is beneath an answer.
Why would anyone dignify it?

If that is what you believe, that is what you can believe.

He turned over tables and drove them out with a cord, we was angry and was probably taken by some in that event as violent.

I don't know if he was necessarily against it as much as advocating for non violence whenever possible.

You have to think that the call to follow the government as it does not bear the sword for no reason was something that Jesus agreed with. Thus why he made sure to pay that tax when questioned about it, and also thus why Paul recorded that down in the book of Romans.

I suppose it all comes down to how you are defining violence.

#30 | Posted by TheTom at 2010-03-09 04:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Quote the whole tom, I was answering in a way defending Letusprey, not saying that he was avoiding. Answering the question would avert misery and frustration of future baseless claims of ad hominum due to a non answer.

It would be a way to live peaceably with all men, and help all other men live peaceable in this situation without having to hear the "persecuted and hated" rant.

The big problem with America and its perceived tendency against "Christianity" is that if it were having tendencies that way it was brought on by "Christianity" itself.

#32 Expsredemption> I suppose it all comes down to how you are defining violence.

As a Christian, I do not believe in murder but I do believe in capital punishment. Some other believers disagree with me and I don't spend time arguing with them over their viewpoint. I also believe that killing in self defense is sometimes acceptable in light of Biblical teaching, and yet other believers sometimes disagree with me.

My opinion is that Jesus' teachings about violence had far more to do with what was on the inside of a person than their outward actions. He not only condemned certain acts, but gave equal condemnation to _thinking_ about those actions.

It is a good thing to say, "I am not going to kill my neighbor" but a far better thing to say, "I will do my best to love my neighbor, no matter how different we are." The latter will do more to promote Christianity than almost anything else believers can do.

"He turned over tables and drove them out with a cord, we was angry and was probably taken by some in that event as violent."

I guess you could call that violent or even an attempt at intimidation.

Christ would not advocate the level of violence that these Christians would have to employ in order to protect themselves from being hunted like wild humans from Planet of the Apes. They either need to leave if they can or disappoint Christ if they want to live.

Really, Christ was a single guy with no responsibities so its easy for him to be a pacifist. If you have kids and someone is literally hunting them, it is alot harder to argue that pacifism if the moral decision for you to make. Allowing your kids to be butchered by maniacs in the name of your personal ideals seems a bit selfish if you ask me.

Right, thetom bobble head:

Here's one for you deluded so-called Christians

www.youtube.com

Posted by LetUsPrey at 2010-02-26 09:12 PM | Reply

Letus is so Christian friendly. MYOB, tom. Better yet, take it out of Letus' behind.

#33 | POSTED BY EXPSREDEMPTION
"Quote the whole tom, I was answering in a way defending Letusprey, not saying that he was avoiding."

No, I understand. I was on a bender. :)

"Answering the question would avert misery and frustration of future baseless claims of ad hominum due to a non answer."

Ideally, perhaps, but I doubt so in this particular case.

"The big problem with America and its perceived tendency against Christianity is that if it were having tendencies that way it was brought on by Christianity itself."

I think that perceived tendency is, to a great extent, just that: Perceived.
By some, it's perceived far beyond reality.

"brought on by Christianity itself."

Not by Christianity, but by the egregiously UN-Christian behavior of some adherents.
And it's not just Un-Christian. It's unjustifiable.
But your point is correct.

In any case, taking the brutal slaughter of innocents and turning into a personal ego trip is reprehensible.

#36 | POSTED BY NANC
"MYOB, tom."

Nanc, you're hardly in a position to chastise anyone for not minding their own business.

How about an apology for being so consciously full of crap?

Really, Christ was a single guy with no responsibities so its easy for him to be a pacifist. If you have kids and someone is literally hunting them, it is alot harder to argue that pacifism if the moral decision for you to make. Allowing your kids to be butchered by maniacs in the name of your personal ideals seems a bit selfish if you ask me.

#35 | Posted by Sully at 2010-03-09 04:20 PM

Christ's act of pacifism, allowing himself to crucified, was supposedly because he had to in order to save the world from sin. Hardly applicable to whether or not one should defend their kids from being butchered. Otherwise, I can't recall the chapter where he suggests one stand by while their kids are murdered. There's the one about not escalating over a slap to the cheek, but that's not the same thing as watching your kids get butchered. Maybe you can enlighten me?

If Bush would have just stayed out of africa this would have never happened.

The left has made no bones about the fact they'd like to see all Christians dead.

#7 | Posted by nanc at 2010-03-09 09:04 AM |

Don't worry n.a.n.c, you've got nothing to worry about.

Better yet, take it out of Letus' behind.

#36 | Posted by nanc at 2010-03-09 04:29 PM |

Like I said.....

She's so pathetic it's not even amusing anymore.

what a wastes, in the old days they just fed 'em to the lions. (usefull)

MYOB

#36 | Posted by nanc

You made it everyone's business when you used that broad brush to paint "the left" into your statement.

Nigeria, Sudah and Europe are on the front line of a crazy war by an expanding Islam. We must prevail and wipe Islam off the face of the earth.

The left has made no bones about the fact they'd like to see all Christians dead.

What does the Bible say about bearing false witness, KRANC? Oh right, you're one of those selective christians. Only certain sections of the Bible apply to you.

These are basically land/territorial disputes that would be happening no matter which religions were being scapegoated for the actions.

#19 | Posted by Corky

You're totally wrong, Cork.---This sort of thing has been going on in many countries and under-reported by the media---not unusual in Nigeria---I know you don't want to believe it because it might cause some discomfort in some of your rigid views.

In the Bosnian conflict it was non-Muslims committing the atrocities and ethnic cleansing.

God must weep at what man does in His name

Really, Christ was a single guy with no responsibities so its easy for him to be a pacifist. If you have kids and someone is literally hunting them, it is alot harder to argue that pacifism if the moral decision for you to make. Allowing your kids to be butchered by maniacs in the name of your personal ideals seems a bit selfish if you ask me.
#35 | Posted by Sully at 2010-03-09 04:20 PM

Christ's act of pacifism, allowing himself to crucified, was supposedly because he had to in order to save the world from sin. Hardly applicable to whether or not one should defend their kids from being butchered. Otherwise, I can't recall the chapter where he suggests one stand by while their kids are murdered. There's the one about not escalating over a slap to the cheek, but that's not the same thing as watching your kids get butchered. Maybe you can enlighten me?
#39 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2010-03-09 05:37 PM

Uh, Jesus was turned over by the Jews to the Romans - both of whom feared his control. He was a victim of ancient bureaucracy.

What instigates this religious warring? Who organized and armed these people?

This year's attacks have had a more sinister pattern: They are carefully planned and brutal, with hundreds of villagers killed -- including babies, the elderly and anyone else unable to flee."

#1 | Posted by LetUsPrey

Credit to LetUsPrey for this posting----fair and balanced.

#7 | Posted by nanc at 2010-03-09 09:04 AM
***"The left has made no bones about the fact they'd like to see all Christians dead. This ought to please them no end"

WE HAVE A WINNER: "Dumbest thing I read today" AWARD 3/9/'010...

Wear it with pride dumb ass...

(And, given the fact that I have read some REALLY stupid sh*t today, this award is especially prestigious)...

Isn't religion wonderful?
Three of the most senseless beliefs in the world all come from the same region of the earth.

The Middle East has always been the cause of the worlds ills.

Christ approves of you protecting your children from butchering. I can cite Scripture if you doubt this, another way of stating if you read the Bible more, and more seriously, you wouldn't get such strnage ideas.

The real bummer is that Nanc thinks Jesus has already forgiven her for being a crackpot, so it's like water off a duck's back to her.

Jesus, I imagine, has also forgiven the two of use for being crackpots, DXLINGER. Want a quacker?

All rules of humanity should be suspended in the capture and torture of the Muslims responsible.

Wrap their screaming carcasses in pig skins and burn them alive.

No I don't. Be real, sonny boy.

"Liberals, in general, hate Christians, but they also hate Jews. If Muslims stopped hating Christians and Jews, liberals would have little use for them"

--- Unknown ---

That explains why liberals are very tollerant of Muslims as well as the actions of radical Muslims who really, really hate Christians and Jews.

Home to Big Oil including Haliburton, extreme pollution & poverty and International Banking extraordinaire.

They have to be shown that their victims will fight back with as much force as necessary to stop the attacks.

Sully, the attackers were the victims just a few months ago....

Funny how the righties focus on the sins of one group of batshit crazy religious nuts and ignores the sins of the other group of batshit crazy religious nuts.

Onward Christian soldiers, marching off to war.

Where in the Bible did Jesus say you had to be soldier?

Onward Christian soldiers, marching off to war.

Where in the Bible did Jesus say you had to be soldier?

meh, the devil made me do it.

#22

Um, which necessary earthly violence was JC for?

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2010-03-09 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Pay special attention to #36 and let us know your take.


www.biblegateway.com

This is a function of rising populations in Africa more than anything else. The Christians had been farming this area for some time. The Moslem shepherds had been increasingly encroaching on their lands. Tempers flew and the Christians killed some of the shepherds a few weeks ago.

So the Moslems used the time honored African tradition of scaring folks out of their homes and hacking them to pieces with machetes as they run out. I remember reading about this sort of shit many years ago.

I suspect we will be seeing more and more.

Sure hope global warming greens up the Sahara quick.

Shepherds are running out of places to ply their trade.

This is a function of rising populations in Africa more than anything else. The Christians had been farming this area for some time. The Moslem shepherds had been increasingly encroaching on their lands. Tempers flew and the Christians killed some of the shepherds a few weeks ago.

So the Moslems used the time honored African tradition of scaring folks out of their homes and hacking them to pieces with machetes as they run out. I remember reading about this sort of shit many years ago.

I suspect we will be seeing more and more.

Sure hope global warming greens up the Sahara quick.

Shepherds are running out of places to ply their trade.

This is a function of rising populations in Africa more than anything else. The Christians had been farming this area for some time. The Moslem shepherds had been increasingly encroaching on their lands. Tempers flew and the Christians killed some of the shepherds a few weeks ago.

So the Moslems used the time honored African tradition of scaring folks out of their homes and hacking them to pieces with machetes as they run out. I remember reading about this sort of shit many years ago.

I suspect we will be seeing more and more.

Sure hope global warming greens up the Sahara quick.

Shepherds are running out of places to ply their trade.

Oops

Sorry about that!

Superstition is the root of all evil.

"I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword" (Matthew 10:34)

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"I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword" (Matthew 10:34)

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That's weird. It said I didn't make a comment then it double posted.

Um, which necessary earthly violence was JC for?

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2010-03-09 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm curious on your take. Pay special attention to #36.

www.biblegateway.com

That's weird. It said I didn't make a comment then it double posted.

#73 | Posted by Zatoichi

Same here.

This Jesus I know.

i582.photobucket.com

"I come not to bring peace, but the sword...."

He also said "Blessed are the peacemakers". It's simple to reconcile the statements, and to know what He meant using both. You just have to do a little reading. You remember reading.

Rcade's server needs an exorcism. 'In the name of the Flying Spaghetti Monster I cast the demons out of the ram.'

Come a-out!!

Tech Support For DR's Server Arrives in Dallas

Test comment.

Fail.

Funny AU--

RCADE

Still getting "No comment posted"

Also, clicking my USER ID takes me to the front page, not USER BLOG

Working now OK

exterminate the muslim trash, all of it!

I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword" (Matthew 10:34)

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#72 | Posted by Zatoichi

This statement does not necessarily connotate physical violence--Christ's appearance inevitably results in conflict--between Christ and the anti-Christ,between light and darkness (believer and the unbeliever), between Christ's believers and nonbelievers---it can be seen in families, society in general, the Drudge Retort, etc.

I come not to bring peace, but to show you my sword. (LOD 10:34)

I think the Perpetrators should be rounded up and water boarded immediatly.

Then whack the Pee Pee, Pinch the Buttocks, Make them eat each others Buggers, and dip them in Pig Feces with their mouths open...

I come not to bring peace, but to show you my sword. (LOD 10:34)

#88 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

Please spare us---unless it's a thing of beauty.

#90 | POSTED BY MATSOP

FF!

#87 | Posted by matsop at 2010-03-09 10:25 PM
***"(believer and the unbeliever) between Christ's believers and nonbelievers---it can be seen in families, society in general, the Drudge Retort, etc"

Wow, that is really scary, dude...

Killing in the name of any God is antithetical to the stated goals and philosophies of practically every mainstream religion.
^^

Spud, the way I see it, that ol "thou shalt not kill" only applies to those of the same faith....if you don't believe in the same invisible man in the sky, you're fair game and the rules don't apply.

Least that's the way it appears to me:

Deuteronomy 20:10 - 15
10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace.
11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you.
12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city.
13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it.
14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies.
15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

Being "Other" has been a bitch since the beginning.

Loh

"Christ approves of you protecting your children from butchering."

That's possible, but we'd never know that from reading approved scripture. Christ's message was largely edited by politicians in order to encourage the plebs to stay docile. The short of it "stay humble and lover other people and forgive all the wrongs done to you and you will be rewarded in the next life".

"In the Bosnian conflict it was non-Muslims committing the atrocities and ethnic cleansing."

No, it was both sides in that one. The only difference between the sides is that the Serbs were winning.

That's possible, but we'd never know that from reading approved scripture.

#94 | Posted by Sully at 2010-03-10 09:24 AM

You'd never know by reading the text that it's impolite to fart in an elevator either. Maybe it's best not to read bull shit into it like "Christ may have thought it's not okay to protect your kids from slaughter." I'm sure you can find plenty else to disagree with; it's a moderately large book.

"Sully, the attackers were the victims just a few months ago...."

The story doesn't mention that.

"Funny how the righties focus on the sins of one group of batshit crazy religious nuts and ignores the sins of the other group of batshit crazy religious nuts."

Funny how your world view is so fucked that anyone who says anything you disagree with is automatically a "righty" with a religious bias. LOL.

"You'd never know by reading the text that it's impolite to fart in an elevator either."

I think the Golden Rule covers that one.

"Christ's act of pacifism, allowing himself to crucified, was supposedly because he had to in order to save the world from sin."

Yeah, it really is like a plot from a very bad comic book. "Sin" was invented by his father, who also decided that everyone was born with "sin" on their souls whether they were ever going to sin or not - making trying to live a life without "sin" completely pointless. Seems to me that Dad could have changed his nonsensical policy on "sin" without having his son tortured to death by lunatics considering one has nothing to do with the other.

Yeah, it really is like a plot from a very bad comic book. "Sin" was invented by his father, who also decided that everyone was born with "sin" on their souls whether they were ever going to sin or not - making trying to live a life without "sin" completely pointless. Seems to me that Dad could have changed his nonsensical policy on "sin" without having his son tortured to death by lunatics considering one has nothing to do with the other.

#98 | Posted by Sully at 2010-03-10 10:03 AM

And inventing breasts but asking us not to lust after them? Ugh...

#98 | Posted by Sully at 2010-03-10 10:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

Howev3er the same people that would want the auto change would also complain that God is doing things in their life that they did not ask for.

it is a lose lose situation, a dichotomy set up for convenience and nothing more.

God allowed sin... booooo
God changed my life without my asking... boooo
I sinned and God did nothing to help. booooo

-Pay special attention to #36 and let us know your take.

He was speaking in "what ifs", and stating he was not an earthly king.

"What if" he was an earthly king? Well, his people would fight apparently.

"Howev3er the same people that would want the auto change would also complain that God is doing things in their life that they did not ask for.

it is a lose lose situation, a dichotomy set up for convenience and nothing more.

God allowed sin... booooo
God changed my life without my asking... boooo
I sinned and God did nothing to help. booooo
"

I wasn't talking about God making man incapable of sinning. That isn't what Christ did. As near as I can tell, Christ's ordeal wiped the slate clean so that its possible to be cleansed of Original Sin and to live your life in such a way as to be forgiven for your sins and eventually join God in heaven.

My point is that if God wanted to change these policies (which do seem to be completely unreasonably, particularly original sin), then why not just change the policy? What does Christ being tortured to death have to do with it?

Its more than small hole in the plot.

-Its more than small hole in the plot.

The hole in the plot is that there are, apparently, spiritual laws not unlike laws of physics which the God of the bible chooses to follow.

For a God who "speaks" to form the world, taking care in what one says is important. And along the way, this God said that for sin comes death, that is, for fleshly beings there is no possibility of ever being spiritually perfect while in the flesh, which is what the law was written to prove, that no human could perfectly follow it.

And that for this built-in defect, the punishment is "death", in this case, separation from God.

The loophole God used, which apparently pissed off lots of angels, was that of the kinsman redeemer, a spiritual concept written into the Law.

This allows for a close relative, Christ in this case, an aspect of God from the beginning, the "we" in "created in our own image", to take on a "tent of human flesh" and also to take on the debt and repay it, restoring man to communion with his source

That's the story, anyway, whatever credit one may give it.

"That's the story, anyway, whatever credit one may give it."

I don't necessarily buy into the logic but I do find the explanation interesting so thanks.

Nanc, shame on you for being so partisan to the situation without realizing that the "Christians" do the same thing over there.

#6 | Posted by ExpsRedemption

Other than posting links to the Crusades, link?

www.christianitytoday.com

www.thinkchristian.net

There you go Petrous. The cycle is just continuing.

"The left has made no bones about the fact they'd like to see all Christians dead."

Bullshit.
#8 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

Ditto

#9 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

double dog ditto!

Imagine

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

What says the Petrous now?

He can't really respond to that cause yer links don't work EXP

Cranc, those last lines in Imagine are for you.

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

We don't want to kill you. We want you to rejoin the world of the sane. We want to eliminate religion.

Not you.

That really sucks then doesn't it.

Here is a different link as well:
schleitheim.com

And another:
www.time.com

EXP: here's my take on the issue.

Catholic and Protestant live peacefully in the US.

Catholic and Muslims live peacefully in the US.

Ireland. Nigeria.

So, why is it that we all live peacefully here, but overseas these folks can't live peacefully together?

If Catholic Nigerians are killing Muslim Nigerians and vice versa, then the issue is their own teachings.

Same BS as what happened in Ireland. It's what they are taught there compared to the rest of us religious nuts.

I was never taught to kill thine enemy and I've been in both Catholic and Protestant churches.

This stuff is homebred.

#113 | Posted by Petrous at 2010-03-10 04:22 PM | Reply | Flag

that is fine and understandable, but it still stands, as they are known by the same name are therefore taken to be in the body. What they do is attributed to us here, whether Muslim or Christian.

Things are brought upon themselves.

Religion of Peace means there will be peace when they're the only religion....

"Christ's message was largely edited...."

Little or no evidence for that. In fact, available evidence is that the Testaments, Old and New, have remained remarkably stable in content. I know I've asserted this several times.

Your myths, and you have them, are pretty impresihable things.

As for not understanding Jesus wanted you to protect children from butchery---I have to think you've never read the New Testament. I seriously don't think you have.

But thanks for crediting that Christ was a real person whose words COULD be edited, You're doing better than many.

"It's more than a small hole in the plot...."

Christ's death and resurrection? You make things more complicated than they need to be. God wanted to show two things with this: 1) fundamental sympathy with the human race; 2) that He is in charge of death, not the miserably concrete world with it's stupidly two-dimensional thinking that most people inhabited then and, as is seen every day on these pages, right now.

that He is in charge of death

Obviously. Who else but your fear mongering god would send babies to be born just to die miserably within hours, days, or weeks. If I was in charge of it, all would live happily ever after. I guess I think more of my children that god thinks of his

"Christ's death and resurrection?"

That presumes any existence at all, which is bullshit, especially since Jesus has still failed to show up and suck my ass, proving that lint is a genius compared to Zed.

Dust bunnies are gods.

At least Zed isn't hebephrenic like some people.

In all honesty Zed is still among the top 2% of intelligence among posters here.

Time for some chlorine in the gene pool; Worked wonders for Russia and Germany.

"That presumes any existence at all...."

That's the question, isn't it? One of the great divides. Is there or is there not? Everyone makes their bet.

Having considered this question from all angles and having been (literally) you for many years of my life, I'm happy with the side I've come down on.

"I guess I think more of my children than God does of His....."

If there is a God, the kids are better taken care of than you know, despite the appearances that disturb you so.

If there is no God, then they suffered and died with no hope of meaning and are now just simply gone. Nothing more than what you think will happen to you.

"At least Zed isn't hebephrenic like me". - Zat

There fixed that for you.

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Posted by Zatoichi at 2010-03-09 03:47 PM

If there is a God, the kids are better taken care of than you know

The child that crack whore threw in a dumpster would disagree. Or were you talking about being well taken care of in heaven? If so, why the fuck not just keep the little darling there instead of allowing her a few hours of misery in a Bronx dumpster?

If there is no God, then they suffered and died with no hope of meaning and are now just simply gone.

So?

Where is it written that humans are supposed to have any sort of meaning in this universe? (please no circular arguments) That's pretty damn anthropocentic, DYT?

"The child that crack whore threw in the dumpster would disagree...."

Under your world-view, yes. Under mine, no.

Why not keep them in Heaven? Why didn't He keep you in Heaven. You've suffered, haven't you?

Under your world-view, this is just a silly conversation. In my world-view, everyone gets answers to even the tought questions eventually.

"So...?"

Thanks for so pithily encapsulating everything I dislike about your world-view, "So", indeed. And then you agonize about dumpsters. You be weird.

"Where is it written people are supposed to have meaning in the universe..."

You couldn't even hazard a guess where it's written? Really?

Under your world-view, yes. Under mine, no.

Please explain yours.

Why not keep them in Heaven? Why didn't He keep you in Heaven. You've suffered, haven't you?

We are talking about the crack whore's baby who god sent for a glorious 3 hour vacation in a bronx dumpster. After you answer that, we'll move on to me.

Thanks for so pithily encapsulating everything I dislike about your world-view

You are welcome. Thought not always possible, I do try to exercise brevity when it fits. It does in this context.

You couldn't even hazard a guess where it's written? Really?

Of course. But it would be the circular argument I stated I wanted to avoid. But OK, is it in the bhagavad vida?

You couldn't even hazard a guess where it's written? Really?

Actually, the "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe" makes more sense where it says that the answer to life, the universe and everyting is 42

God said you have meaning. That either happened or it did not. Why you should think it's a circular argument eludes me. It's really as black and white as you could make it.

"After you andwer that, we'll move on to me...."

Between you and that baby there is no space at all. You're just taking longer to get thrown into the dumpster. Make you angry? If you're correct, then you're pissed at nothing. Nothing doesn't give one rotten damn about you. Just ask him.

"Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe"

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

FTFY

What y'all smokin' out there?

Why you should think it's a circular argument eludes me.

???

You answered the question yourself. "God" said my life has meaning. For my life to have meaning there would have to be a god. Doesn't even sound slightly elliptical. Pure circle.

What y'all smokin' out there?

Usually Marlboros. But I'm still in SA. I leave tomorrow. Thanks for the correction.

"For my life to have meaning, there would have to be a God....."

You were arguing the universe doesn't give a damn about us. I denied that. Nothing circular. We just disagree.

I'm right, though.

God has to be the one telling you you have meaning, GOATMAN. You won't accept it from me.

And the religious wars continue.... what's new?

Does Nanc need a body count on the X-tians vs. Moooslims?

It's utter bullshit.

God has to be the one telling you you have meaning...

I'll wait then. I still have a couple of more decades in me. If he doesn't get around to it, he can extend my life long enough to tell me.

I'm right, though.

Prove it.

I've done my best to show you what proofs I know and have experienced. More than once.

You prove something.

"I still have a couple of more decades left in me...."

Prove that.

Between you and that baby there is no space at all. You're just taking longer to get thrown into the dumpster

So why the dumpster vacation at all? You keep bringing it back to me, but I want to know why god would send a baby out of a woman's womb, into a dumptser, then back to heaven with nothing in between.

But you know that is what I want to know.

Make you angry?

No more so than when the batteries die on my cordless mouse.

If you're correct, then you're pissed at nothing.

Who said I was pissed. I said I don't believe the god myth. How did you manage to associate that with anger?

Prove that.

It may not be true. How could I prove that?

You prove something.

Whenever we play that game, you refuse to accept my proof. Is that still the motive in your wanting me to prove something? Or are you sincere this time?

I'm not playing a game. If there's one afoot, then it's your hand of solitaire.

"So why the dumpster vacation at all...."

What I'm trying to show you is that the real question is why any life for anyone at all. Three hours in a dumpster may well be better than eighty years the way some people choose to live their lives. In fact, I'm certain of that.

Three hours in a dumpster may well be better

Better for the rats nibbling on the baby's face.

Face it, your god is a sadistic SoB. If I cared for my children the way he cares for his, I'd be in prison

Why do I keep bringing it all back to you? You mean, besides the fact you like the attention? You create conversations in you own image.

"Your God is a sadistic SOB...."

Just out of curiosity, what was the crack whore?

You create conversations in you own image.

Sometimes. But you clearly kept steering the baby in a dumpster question back to me. I didn't. Please don't pretend otherwise.

Mine was a Scorpio.

And I'm still pulling the sheets out of my ass.

Just out of curiosity, what was the crack whore?

All I know about her is that she was a crack whore. The story didn't go into many other details that I can recall. What does it matter? God had the power to save that child and prevent the crack whore from throwing it in the dumpster. But he didn't.

That's sadistic as hell.

What about the crack whore? And beyond that, ever knew anyone who WAS a crack whore? What did you do about them? Did they throw any babies into dumpsters? Could anything you did or said have prevented that, or even made it less likely to happen to any nth degree. And, to the extent that's true, and you failed to act, aren't you just a sadistic SOB?

Maybe you do belong in jail. It's an interesting question.

Maybe you do belong in jail.

For what?

"All I know about her is that she is a crack whore...."

Her degree of responsibility?

"For what...."

Not doing anything. You know, what you want to put God in jail for.

What about the crack whore? And beyond that, ever knew anyone who WAS a crack whore? What did you do about them? Did they throw any babies into dumpsters? Could anything you did or said have prevented that, or even made it less likely to happen to any nth degree. And, to the extent that's true, and you failed to act, aren't you just a sadistic SOB?

Once again, you deflect to me. I wasn't talking about me. I was talking about your god who failed to save a child from a dumpster and allowed rats to nibble on her face while she was still alive.

But I understand why you cntinue to deflect. God's inactions are indefensible.

GOATMAN---You've done everything you hate God for on more than one occasion. You can kid yourself not. Sins of ommission, sins of commission. You wouldn't want to know the lives you've helped wreck.

Not doing anything.

Since i was likely hundreds of miles away, my hands were pretty much tied.

But let's stop talking about me who was nowhere near and talk about your god who was there and could have done something, but didn't.

GOATMAN---You've done everything you hate God for on more than one occasion.

Is it possible that you stop deflecting to me? God is supposed to be better than me. I have saved my child from danger before. God did not save his child from the dumpster.

"You deflect to me...."

And like a black hole you just suck it all down into the great big pin prick of compressed shit. Nothing escapes from you after that, much less light.

"God is supposed to be better than me....?"

Really? Where is that written?

You wouldn't want to know the lives you've helped wreck.

Why don't you answer the question about why god allowed one of his children to suffer a horrible death, then you can move our goalposts to whereever you want, zed. Deal?

Really? Where is that written?

One question at a time, please. This one, then I'll answer yours.

Why would your god be so sadistic as to allow a baby to be eaten by rats in a dumpster when it was in his power to prevent it?

Because, GOATMAN, I'd like you to answer why you've left such a trail of destruction behind you, wittingly or not. If you can answer that, it may be possible to tackle God then.

But if you can't even do it for yourself, in the context of your very limited existence, taking God to task seems like pissing up a rope.

Let me be GOATMAN just for a little while longer---YOU said God was supposed to be better than that. Is that anything you believe? And if so, where'd you find that out?

I'd like you to answer why you've..

Let's get to the first question about god, then you can move the goalposts, OK?

If you don't want to accept that proposition, just say so.

Is that anything you believe? And if so, where'd you find that out?

I still have a pending question to you that I asked first and in all fairness should be answered first before we move on. If you don't want to answer it, just say so and I'll stop asking it. That's better than your continual deflections.

Why would god allow a newborn to be eaten alive by rats in a dumpster when it was in his power to prevent it?

It's an equivalent question, save but of the two of them yours should be much easier to answer. But if you can't answer, state that. I expect you not to know. You wouldn't be surprising me.

"I still have a pending question...."

I'm just checking in with you in regards to exactly how shallow you are in your pursuit of truth. Who told you God was supposed to be better, and why did you believe that?

It's an equivalent question,

Cool. Then answer mine and yours will also be answered:

Why would god allow a newborn to be eaten alive by rats in a dumpster when it was in his power to prevent it?

Why did you smoke crack with that whore?

Who told you God was supposed to be better, and why did you believe that?

I have a pending question to you that I asked first and I feel in all fairness should be answered first before we move on to your question. And I promise, when you answer mine, I'll immediately answer yours and not avoid it for 10 or more posts as you have been mine.

Why would god allow a newborn to be eaten alive by rats in a dumpster when it was in his power to prevent it?

"I feel in all fairness...."

Ah, my dear GOATMAN---Who told you life was fair, and why did you believe that?

Why did you smoke crack with that whore?

Your questions are piling up and i'll gladly answer everyone of them when you answer my one which I asked first.

Why would god allow a newborn to be eaten alive by rats in a dumpster when it was in his power to prevent it?

No one's avoiding you. You're being answered. Quite brilliantly, as a matter of fact.

Who told you life was fair, and why did you believe that?

I'll add that one to the list. But first, I'd like to know why would god allow a newborn to be eaten alive by rats in a dumpster when it was in his power to prevent it?

I grow weary of playing your boOb-like game. I ask a sincere question and you refuse to answer. If you were interested in real debate you would. If you were interested in playing games, you wouldn't.

So is your choice debate or games? If the latter, this will be my last post. If the former, please answer the question I put forth to you.

You're being answered.

Which post zed? I missed it.

Stop calling women whores, GOATMAN. It's one more step to some kid getting tossed into a dumpster. Of course, you'll be hundreds of miles away when it happens.

Stop calling women whores, GOATMAN.

I will when you tell me the number of the post you answered my question in. Deal?

I hope you two are using protection.

"I ask a sincere question...."

You're not, in all seriousness, to the point where sincerity in matters like this is either recognized or appreciated by you. I spent a lot of time trying to understand "pearls before swine". Interesting I had to come to the DR for that insight.

You claimed to have answered my question zed, so it should be a simple matter to tell me which post it was in.

Or is this the next phase of your illusive game?

Later zed. If you won't answer and can't be man enough to admit it, or play mysterious "I answered it games" without reference to where, I'm outta here.

"I'm outta here...."

But you'll never look at a trash bin in the same way ever again, I'll wager.

Or you

GOATMAN---None of it matters to you from the outset. Ultimately, no human being knows why God does a specific thing. If we knew, we'd be God.

That's not an argument for no God. It's just we're not as arrogant as you project yourself to be. When you don't know, it doesn't stop you from just rolling along. If you applied your own "standards" to such debates, you'd be obliged to STFU.

But you won't do that. You're GOATMAN. If you were found in a dumpster, I wouldn't be able to say why, either. Difference being, I'd see the event as being significant. As things are, your (now deceased) point of view is you're just one more bit of trash.

If you applied your own "standards" to such debates, you'd be obliged to STFU.

So when boiled down and condensed, it comes back to the good old, "He works in mysterious ways" argument. Maybe if god wasn't so fucking mysterious and used standards that the people he supposedly created could identify with, he'd have more believers to grovel at his feet.

No, when boiled down and condensed it's that you have two rackets, a ball, but refuse to use a net.

YOU work in mysterious ways, GOATMAN. That doesn't seem to faze you, and when people point that out you tell them to fuck themselves, more-or-less.

The arrogance and the hypocritical egocentricity of it is breathtaking. If I offered an explanation for suffering (there's some in the Bible), that's just another pivot for your contempt.

Your attitude is to nail me for saying I do know, and nail me for saying I don't. I've done this with you already.

Read the Bible. It will do a better job than I can of clueing you into at least a few things you moan about. But don't stay here and pretend you care about babies any more than you do crack whores. You're just not there yet.

No, when boiled down and condensed it's that you have two rackets, a ball, but refuse to use a net.

Actually no, I was right the first time. (how can you possibly presume to know what I am thinking?) When boiled down and condensed, your god is just too fucking mystierious for me to understand and if he operated on a standard that I would understand without the mystery, I'd be more likely to believe in him. It'd be like me getting pissed off because the Chinese guy who speaks no English can't learn from my books

"How can you possibly know what I'm thinking....?"

You would be surprised. Trust me.

"If He (God) operated on a standard I could understand...."

What can I say, except for this:

1) Most people I know who are serious about this don't have the same trouble you do. Read the Bible.

2) If you can't have a realtionship with God because you can't understand Him, I suggest you restrict your personal relationships to dogs of the canine variety.

But don't stay here and pretend you care about babies any more than you do crack whores.

hmmm. My entire life I thought I did. I had no idea I was pretending until now, zed. Thanks. Where did you learn this trick to get into people's minds, tell them they've been wrong about their principles their whole life? Did god teach you that trick?

You should read the bible

I have. One part that comes to mind says something about not judging others. Did you see that part?

"Did you see that part...."

Got me there, GOATMAN....I do in fact judge others all the time. The difference between you and I? That's a standard for me, a cudgel for you.

Hey, that's another judgment.

Read the Bible. Yes, you say you have. No, you really haven't. If you had done so you could cite for me those places Christ Himself talks about the meaning of suffering.

"Hmmmm. My entire life I thought I did..."

We, all of us, think we're good people. Sitting in prison, Bernie Madoff thinks he's good.

Trust me.

Why should I?

If you can't have a realtionship with God because you can't understand Him, I suggest you restrict your personal relationships to dogs of the canine variety.

Good idea. It's much easier to have a relationship with a warm, fuzzy, tangible object than an invisible one I can't see who won't even protect his own children from harm.

We, all of us, think we're good people.

But thank goodness we have sages like you to tell us that we aren't and that we really don't care for the children even if we think we do.

"Why should I...."

Can't think of a reason. But that's also a reason not to speak with me at all. But I seemed to have you hooked.

That's a standard for me, a cudgel for you.

So the old, "but you do it more" argument. Got it.

At any rate, I don't profess to believe in god or the bible, so why should I be held to its standards?

But I seemed to have you hooked.

Something about destoying the myths surrounding the god story initiates an endorphin release in my brain. (blame god. He made it. LOL)

"Even when we think we do...."

Why shold I trust you? My, that has a familiar ring.

Why shold I trust you?

You shouldn't. But me knowing my own heart has nothing to do with your trust in me.

No, it's not the old "you do it more" argument. I've identified a standard you just don't have. From your perspective, you could not possibly "do it more", because there was nothing done in the first instance.

But, to the extent you have a value not to judge---Stop judging---Show me how it's done. Should be easy.

"Why should I be held to it's (Bible) standards....?"

Exactly what the Vikings said. But they eventually converted. How about that?

Stop judging

I see no reason to. Judging aids me in many aspects of my life -- from choosing my hamburger condiments to what house to buy, to which people to associate with.

I'll pass on your demand if it's all the same to you, zed

But they eventually converted. How about that?

And the Tatars never did. What is your point?

The ignorance and stupidity on this thread is mind numbing.

That was a little carousel of misery between Zed and Goat.

Zed, why must you run him around in circles so that he can see the answer to his own question on his own, couldn't you simply tell him the answer so that he did not have to learn anything?

Goat, don't you understand that misery is brought about by humans beings, specifically you and I and Zed as all as individuals have made choices that effect the way that others we do not know, at a time we are not aware of, will act, feel, understand, think.

Everything we say, and do, and feel and think, has an impact on the world. Crack whores do not start out as crack whores, their choices and the choices of others bring them to that point.

At the same time, their choices and the choices of others can stop them from throwing that baby in the dumpster.

God works through people, people who take beneficial actions, and words, and thoughts and feelings into the world, rather than negative thoughts and actions and feelings into the world.

We are the cause of our own misery.

if you are frustrated, you have been a cause of that because you are the one who chose to continue talking with Zed.

At the same time, Zeds approach is only making you more frustrated and helping to cause you to make certain choices in action, words, feeling etc.

The fact of the matter is that humans impact other humans in every capacity, whether we know it, or like it or not.

Life is complex. things happen because of a great variety of reasons, the number of which we could never measure.

A woman never throws a baby in the dumpster simply because she is a crack whore. Something drives that. something drove her to be a crack whore, which drives her to do other things, and eventually it all goes back to someone else, which goes back to someone else, which goes back to someone else.

Ultimately, what you say, think do and feel here in some small way in your perspective and a major way in the perspective of who it effect, will cause a crack whore 1,000 miles from you to either 1. throw her baby in the dumpster with the rats (which are also there because actions have made someone keep an area unclean) or stop using crack, trust people, get help and raise a healthy child that will become a nurse and provide health care to you when you are 75 years old in the hospital with a stroke.

Life is complex. God is complex. If you don't have time to understand it, don't complain about it. You cause most of your own misery through the effect you have on those around you, and thus their effect on those around them.

We are the cause of our own misery.

I guess how I'm having a hard time figuring out how a newborn who is thrown into a dumpster and eaten alive by rats caused her own misery. If she caused it as you say, then tell me, what should she have done to have prevented it?

Life is complex. God is complex. If you don't have time to understand it, don't complain about it.

I'm not complaining. I'm merely pointing out that a god who creates a race who has members that are inferior to him, then condemns them to eternal damnation for not understanding him well enough to worship and believe in him is a pretty fucked up and sadistic god.

OK, you say god is complex. I am simple. How can a simpleton every possibly understand a complex being?

#212 | Posted by goatman at 2010-03-11 10:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

By taking the time to do so, and asking for help when necessary.

IN terms of your question in 211, I speak of you, I and Zed, we are adults, we bring our own misery. The child did not have a chance to bring its own misery, as it is not responsible for itself yet, however, adults are responsible for children.

"It takes a village to raise a child" and all that. If you really want children to come out right, you cant just expect them to be alright if only the parents are helping raise the child in the right light. a ration of 2:world is a ratio heavily out of favor for the parents. Sometimes it is 1:world as in the case with the crack whore.

We have brought the misery on that child based on how we react to individuals. Who we think is acceptable or not acceptable, worthy to help for not worthy to help. We don't like to understand the circumstances of other peoples lives, because we "don't have the time." Well many things could have changed the factors in the woman's life so that she did not throw the baby in the dumpster.

Every human being has a part in every travesty that happens. There is always more that could have been done but wasn't, because we "don't have time" or "don't have money" etc.

Unfortunately children (not just ours) are at our mercy as individuals who are responsible for ourselves. When bad things happen to children we should look at ourselves and ask "what did I do to make that child's life better, and could I have done anything more."

When we start answering those questions honestly and acting on that answer appropriately, then things might change.

Babies will still be thrown in dumpsters however, as they are at the mercy of beasts in grown men and women. WE make ourselves this way.

God may have the power to change the situation, however, so do you.

#212 Goatman> I'm merely pointing out that a god who creates a race who has members that are inferior to him,

Logically and theologically, people have to be inferior to God in some way. Otherwise we have the conundrum of a being creating something [from nothing] that is greater than itself.

> then condemns them to eternal damnation for not understanding him well enough to worship and believe in him is a pretty fucked up and sadistic god.

The Bible teaches that the evidence for God is all around humankind (see Romans 1:18-19 NIV):

"The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualitieshis eternal power and divine naturehave been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."

Per the Bible, God's judgment is always correct (proper) while man's judgment is often wrong:

Romans 2:1-2 (NIV)
"You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth."

Goatman, you once said you would believe in God if He showed you a miracle. I have been praying that He will do just that and take away your doubts. I myself used to have a lot of doubts.

"that is fine and understandable, but it still stands, as they are known by the same name are therefore taken to be in the body.
Things are brought upon themselves.

#114 | Posted by ExpsRedemption"

So, because a Democrat and Republican is guilty of an act they commit, the entire party is guilty of the same.

So, because one Congressman is guilty of an act they commit, the entire Congress is guilty of the same.

So, because one American is guilty of an act they commit, all Americans are guilty of the same.

So, because one human being is imprisoned for an act they commit, all human beings are guilty of the same.

Interesting. Everyone on the Drudge has murdered, stolen money, lied to their country about the existence of WMD's, and is running up the National Debt, and would be out of the military under DADT - because what one does is what everyone else does, too.

Um, no Petrous, this is dealing with Christianity, you know, the body of Christ?

The whole concept that each individual is not the "church" and the "church " is not a building, but rather the "church" is all who are in Christ, which composes his body?

To carry it over to Republican and Democrate etc etc. shows me that you just don't want to understand.

Although you did a great job taking it out of context. Kudos on that.

BS ex. You are taking rotten apples and applying them to the whole tree.

Pure BS and my analogy is spot on. You have grouped everyone as a failure because of others - and you have done so to attack religion - it's just that simple.

Would a Republican acting as a Democrat still be a Republican? When you stray from the beliefs of Christianity, it is very easy to say that you are no longer a Christian.

It's why people change parties and religions - they no longer follow the tenets and are no longer members of that group.

#217 | Posted by Petrous at 2010-03-11 04:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wrong. I have done so to show that the Christians in Nigeria are no better than the Muslims in Nigeria and to a small and much different degree, Christians in America tend to call out all things against them as persecution, when in fact it is often caused by something they have done in a negative sense toward others.

It was all in response to Nanc's assertion of this being unfair, and how the left hates Christianity and wants them dead.

Nice try though. A little leaven leavens the whole lump Petrous.

I am talking about people who don't change parties or religions or anything else.

Good try though my friend.

Goatman, you once said you would believe in God if He showed you a miracle. I have been praying that He will do just that and take away your doubts. I myself used to have a lot of doubts.

#214 | Posted by AKat at 2010-03-11 11:01 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Can you find something better than "a miracle" common I know you can do better than that

Next time they shouldn't open those emails from Nigeria....

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