She deserved a Peace Prize more than the doofus-in-chief did.

Probably a socialist. Glad she's gone.

The Right

P.S. Say what you will about him, Hitler was a good payer. Never let an invoice go over 30 days. And he hated commies almost as much as us.

This woman was a hero.... It would be nice if we could not tarnish her memory with a lot of nasty Partisan posts in this thread...

"Her selfless bravery saved many lives and she stands as a monument to the triumph of the human spirit, which will set an example for many generations to come."

If she was pulling your grandfather or uncle out of the woods, I am certain she would have never asked the political affiliation of the rescuee before helping him....

Show the lady some respect and wish her a wonderful Goodnight....

Our Grandfathers all fought that war. If you think your grandpop was tough... This lady saved a lot of grandpops.... I think RCADE should watch this thread and remove all non appropriate posts out of respect Please Rcade..

Thanks in advance.

STFU pansy.

FTA: Mrs Peel, who lived at Long Ashton, was awarded a second Legion d'Honneur in 2009 to mark her bravery.

C'est Bon!

After the war she received a personal letter from Winston Churchill congratulating her on her work.

Magnifique!

She also received the Croix de Guerre and the American Medal of Freedom.

Tres Bien.

She was being lined up to be shot by a firing squad at the Buchenwald concentration camp when the US Army arrived to liberate the prisoners.

Wot's French fer "nick of time"?

Cool story.

RIP Andree Peel.

Bon soir, Mrs Peel.

Be Well.

/As ya do
stage left.

"She was being lined up to be shot by a firing squad at the Buchenwald concentration camp when the US Army arrived to liberate the prisoners."

Wow.

They need to make a movie of her life. What a heroic woman

"She was being lined up to be shot by a firing squad at the Buchenwald concentration camp when the US Army arrived to liberate the prisoners."

Can you IMAGINE where we would be had BHO been POTUS in 1941....

ACHTUNG!

Sure, guy.

The idiotic statements made by right wingers are always good for a chuckle.

-We've gone a lot longer in Obama's term than Bush's without being attacked.

-We were attacked at the WTC 2 months after Clinton was sworn in. All perpetrators arrested and rotting in prison.

Tell us about Bin Laden and why Bush wouldn't see fit to catch him when he was in our sights and attacked the wrong country for reasons that changed as often as the weather when no WMD's were found? How many times we 'rounded the corner' in Iraq until Bush and Co were FORCED to shift gears and fire Rumsfield because of the 2006 elections?

had BHO been POTUS in 1941

Cos America in 1941 was totally ready to vote for a black POTUS as long as black people still couldn't vote?

If Prescott Bush had his way in 1941 America would have become a fascist nation and an ally of the Nazis.

Thank Gawd there was a Dem in the WH.

Be Well.

BHO is no FDR, or HST.

BHO is no FDR, or HST.

That's what they said about Truman, if you've ever read a history book.

"Thank Gawd there was a Dem in the WH."

Not today's Dems. No comparison.

So say you.

Right wingers were saying exactly the same things you do today when FDR proposed the WPA, Social Security, and a plethora of good works Americans today take for granted.

You'd have been the loudest voice calling FDR all kinds of names if you'd been living then as an adult.

Could be. I was still in knickers then.

Hm. You don't strike me as a 70+ year old let alone a mature adult.

Dems of those days were far more 'socialist' as a whole than the Dems of today.

As much as you rail against anything Dem, I'm surprised at your making a positive statement about Dems of FDR's time. Seems you'd find all kinds of immature comments to make about them too in light of your posting history here goes ...

Quite mature, son.

I am referring to FDR's war performance only.

BTW, I learned in a book I recently read FDR was almost killed in 1943 on his way to a couple "Big Three" (Churchill, Roosevelt, Stalin) meetings - one in Cairo and another in Tehran.

He was traveling in a Naval battle group. His ship, the U.S.S. Willie D. Porter, was accidentally fired on by the U.S.S. Iowa, a destroyer, that fired a torpedo at the Porter.

Since radio silence was in effect, it was only because a lone sailor on the Porter saw a Morse code message flashed from the Iowa that a catastrophe was averted.

Roosevelt's ship went into full reverse and turn. The torpedo missed the Porter by only feet.

The U.S.S. Iowa had hit another ship in port before departure from the U.S. It is the only instance of an entire ship being ordered to go to port and all crew held under close arrest following the torpedo incident.

Oh.

Well, unless we get in another World War, you'll never know, will you?

I am referring to FDR's war performance only.

#21 | Posted by Greatamerican

You also made this statement:

SPUD: "Thank Gawd there was a Dem in the WH."

GA: "Not today's Dems. No comparison."

So, what did you mean by (plural) 'Dems'?

You shouldn't speak of maturity. Your every post screams "16 year old". Try to be a little more mature if you're actually 70+ years old, which I highly doubt based on your posting history.

Thanks for your counseling, AU. Disagreeing is not immaturity. Lighten up. You might live as long as I have.

The U.S.S. Iowa had hit another ship in port before departure from the U.S. It is the only instance of an entire ship being ordered to go to port and all crew held under close arrest following the torpedo incident.

#22 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

A U.S. Naval ship, that is.

I snuck on the USS Iowa when she was mothballed in Philadelphia. We climbed up the mooring lines. Talk about spooky! We found one unwelded door and went inside. We got lost for a while it was so big. If our flashlights had gone out, we would've been fucked. There was only that one door that opened (that we knew of) and there were open deck plates everywhere. And of course no electricity.

Even in a mothballed ship there are all kinds of creaky squeaky noises.

GA

I prefer to disagree without being disagreeable. I do it all the time here. I just noticed you make an awful lot of presumptive remarks, like the one above. Statements like you're fond of making are presumption at best.

Obama's gone longer without an attack on the U.S. than any President since George HW Bush. Clinton had the 1993 WTC bombing (2 months in office), and Bush (7 1/2 months). Clinton caught all the perpetrators. Bush, uh, no, to put it kindly.

We're catching Al Qaeda, turning things around in Afghanistan, and have renewed cooperation with countries around the world in fighting terrorism.

I wouldn't go knocking Obama until you've taken a serious look at the fact our own intelligence services concluded 3 years in a row W's actions made us 'less safe' and increased the threat of terrorism with their unilateral arrogance and invasion of Iraq.

BTW, I'm in terrific shape. My doctor fully expects me to live to 90 years old. I don't let politics or blogs effect my health or blood pressure - which is, and always has been perfect. Cholesterol is perfect. I exercise. Thanks for your concern.

#27 | Posted by goatman

Cool!

As per my post above, you were on the only U.S. Naval vessel ever to have been sent to shore
with all personnel under close arrest.

"So, what did you mean by (plural) 'Dems'?

AU

IMHO, those Dems made no apologies for America's greatness, Christianity, patriotism, and made every sacrifice and effort to win a war. No WH oral sex that I recall, either.

Pfft. Nothing new to see here

If there had been a GOPper in the WH, we would have "Peace with Honor" and the German-Japanese border would be the Missisippi River. American troops would be in a vicious war with Tonga, the result of 12-7-41.

AmericanUnity--you've got the names backwards.
Roosevelt was on the USS Iowa, the torpedo came from the USS Porter.
Subsequently, whenever other sailors came upon the Porter, they are said to have shouted "Don't shoot, we're Republicans."

French resistance? Kinda like Jumbo Shrimp I guess....

#22 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-03-09 04:35 AM | Reply | Flag

Wow, the things you never learn about in history class! Thanks for the info. Looks like the USS Porter was just a bad-luck ship:

BTW, I'm in terrific shape. My doctor fully expects me to live to 90 years old. I don't let politics or blogs effect my health or blood pressure - which is, and always has been perfect. Cholesterol is perfect. I exercise.
#31 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

That would be a most excellent post if someone gave a shit.

She deserved a Peace Prize more than the doofus-in-chief did.

#1 | Posted by JOE at 2010-03-08 08:15 PM

#35 | Posted by bartimus at 2010-03-09 01:06 PM

Quite something, isn't it? That ship was jinxed from the get go.

those Dems made no apologies for America's greatness, Christianity, patriotism, and made every sacrifice and effort to win a war. No WH oral sex that I recall, either.

Every sacrifice and effort to win a war. In spite of the pro-nazi Republican party. Unlike GOPpers who routinely surrender (Nixon, Ford and Reagan), call it a tie (Ike and Herbie), pay off the enemy (DubYa in Iraq) or just forget about it (Dubya in afghanistan). I'm surprised you're not slamming FDR for the draft and not cutting taxes.

As for the no oral sex, I believe you'll find FDR, like General Ike had someone on the side, and Eleanor is rumored to have been as gay as Mary Cheney.

In spite of the pro-nazi Republican party.

???

Link?

GOPpers who routinely surrender (Nixon...

Americans wanted their boys out of Vietnam without further loss of life. Nixon did that. If he had stayed longer than he did to win the war, partisan hacks like ng3 would be criticising him for that.

Blind partisanship sure makes idiots out of people. And they don't mind letting the world know about it either. LOL Gotta give them and their wee little brains credit for that I suppose.

Nixon ran on a 'secret plan to end Vietnam' in 1968.

When he resigned in 1974 we were still there.

Americans wanted their boys out of Vietnam without further loss of life. Nixon did that. If he had stayed longer than he did to win the war, partisan hacks like ng3 would be criticising him for that.

Fortunately for America, it doesn't listen to jackasses like ng3 regardless of what he has to say.

"Americans wanted their boys out of Vietnam without further loss of life. Nixon did that."

Nixon accepted roughly the same terms he had been offered four years earlier.

When he resigned in 1974 we were still there.

The cease fire went into effect Jan 1973. Nixon began withdrawing troops the year he toook office and made them lower every year. I guess if he'd kept the record levels LBJ sent the lefties would be happier.

*sigh*

As I keep saying, blind partisanship fucks up a person's reasoning. I think it's good that Nixon immediately began withdrawing troops. But like anything else, a spin can be put on it that makes him look evil for doing so.

c'est la vie

Dude, I commented about Nixon's 1968 'secret plan to end the war'. He didn't.

You calling someone a 'blind partisan' is the pot calling the kettle black.

Dude, I commented about Nixon's 1968 'secret plan to end the war'. He didn't.

I thought he did. Who ended it then?

Aren't you pleased he immediately began decreasing troop levels when he took office? Do you think that was a good thing or not? I think it was. I would have been pissed if he kept them at the historic highs of 1968. How about you?

You calling someone a 'blind partisan' is the pot calling the kettle black.

Which party is "mine" then? I know a lot of people think I'm a democrat because I believe in abortion rights, against the war in Iraq, didn't like Bush, against school prayer, against the war on drugs, against religious displays in public places, pro enviornment -- but I assure you, I am not. LOL

I blame the right wingers and hawkish generals more for Vietnam than anyone else. The 'gold standard' for reading the chronology of our involvement is David Halberstam's "The Best and The Brightest". In it he chronicles how right wing hawks overtook the process.

Right wing politicians, like Goldwater, were blasting Johnson right and left before he started increasing troops sizes to the levels they eventually reached.

Had it not been for the hawks and right wingers we'd have gotten out of Vietnam early in Johnson's Presidency. He didn't want to step up our involvement. His own recently released phone conversations reveal the massive push from the right wing to step up Vietnam in the name of stamping out Communism and avoiding the "Domino Theory" - a term coined by Eisenhower in 1954.

Which party is "mine" then?

You rail on one side only here. You tell us.

I thought he did. Who ended it then?

The North Vietnamese.

Your views hardly make you 'non-partisan'. You only have it out for one side here, and one side only.

You didn't answer my question, though. Do you think it was a good think that Nixon immediately began decreasing troop levels from LBJ's historic highs, or not?

It's not that painful to say to admit that bringing our boys home (unlike LBJ who kept sending more) was a good thing.

Whaddya think? Was decreasing the troop levels a good thing or bad thing?

You only have it out for one side here, and one side only.

I'm on a lefty blog. I, ornery, like to butt heads, and piss in my beard as my name iimplies. I make no bones about it. Nor do I hide my views that are traditionally viewed as leftist. But why come here and preach to the choir?

GOATMAN

I'm not going to play 'moving goalposts'.

This is hardly a 'lefty blog'. It may have been intended to be that, but on any given day the number of left vs right is, at best, a 50/50 proposition. Some days it's far more right slanted in left vs right posters.

I, ornery, like to butt heads, and piss in my beard as my name iimplies. I make no bones about it.

BTW, you still haven't denied you were in Odessa Animal Control during your conspicuous absence.

LOL

Troop level reductions by Nixon: Good or bad
Troop level increases by LBJ: Good or bad?

GOATMAN

I just did a count of an hour's worth of posts here.

44 - Right
40 - L
10 - "Non-partisan" Goats

Now, please tell us again how this is a 'lefty site'?

Ain't so. On most days the R's outnumber the L's.

That being the case, since you're 'non-partisan ornery', it's time for you to move your orneriness to bashing the R if, as you say, you're ornery for the sake of being ornery to the outnumbered side.

Now, please tell us again how this is a 'lefty site'?

Because its owner and creator calls it that.

Quid pro quo. You still owe me a couple of answers. #57?

Rogers owns the site. Sure.

But, this is a heavier right leaning blogosphere than you'll admit.

#57? I already told you I'm not playing 'moving goalposts'.

Many factors were responsible for Nixon drawing down forces, most importantly were war protests in the U.S., increased bombing campaigns that made removal of U.S. forces from ever widening target areas a prerequisite, the Mai Lai Massacre, and other incidents that sparked domestic and international outrage that turned public opinion firmly against the Vietnam War.

The Church-Case Amendment made it a legal necessity to get Congressional approval before committing more U.S. forces to Vietnam.

Nixon can thank his lucky stars public opinion shifted. Johnson didn't have that luxury, or the luxury of being a Republican since Republicans were the loudest voices calling fellow Americans 'traitors' for opposing the war in Vietnam and shooting the 'commie lover' finger at anyone who objected.

Still no answer huh? Is it that painful to just say, "Reducing the troops in VietNam was a good thing"? Who cares the reasons or perceive luck of public opinion. Nixon started bringing troops out. Good, IMO. LBJ increased troops every year. Bad, IMO. From a humanistic PoV, wouldn't you agree?

Reducing the troops in Vietnam was a good thing. Happy? It should have happened in 1969. Nixon wouldn't have reduced forces unless he was, as it turns out, forced to.

Counted another hour just now. The count:

39 Right
29 Left

This site consistently has more right than left.

Time for you to live up to your 'ornery' meme and start attacking the right ... you know, just to be 'ornery' as you say you're being.

No doubt we agree Vietnam was a 'quagmire'.

Had JFK not been assassinated, or Bobby Kennedy elected in 1968, we'd have been OUTTA there long before we were.

#62, 63

Nonetheless, I feel that Nixon's reduction of troops was a good thing. Don't you?

Had JFK not been assassinated, or Bobby Kennedy elected in 1968, we'd have been OUTTA there long before we were.

That's impossible to know for a fact of course. But we do know for a fact that troop levels did not begin to decrease until Nixon took office. I think that is a great thing. Don't you? Or should we have kept escalating like LBJ did?

I already answered your question.

Time for you to live up to your 'ornery' meme and start attacking the right

They aren't near as much fun. They are too stodgy. You can poke them with a stick all day long and barely get a reaction. But lefties like boyd, axe, ng3, frank, celery, donnyboy, et al tend to come unglued. More bang for the buck from them.

American Unity..

Why do you think Kennedy initially committed to VN

I already answered your question.

I missed it. I'm kind of slow tonight. Only slept a couple of hours last night -- partially thanks to you and this silly blog! LOL

LOL

Hey, have you listened to any of LBJ's phone conversations? This episode features calls in 1964, when only 264 Americans had been killed in Vietnam.

Hey, have you listened to any of LBJ's phone conversations?

Partially at the LBJ library in Austin. Very interesting place. If you ever get to Texas, make time to visit the place

GOAT

You didn't respond to my counts on R vs L posters here.

If you're truly only interested in being obstinate to the majority, then it's the right you need to focus your obtuseness at LOL.

If you ever get to Texas, make time to visit the place

I'm thinking this year. I want to do some family genealogy, and so I'll need to go to Austin, San Antonio and Richardson, TX. Got friends in Brownwood too who've been bugging me to visit longer than I can remember.

You didn't respond to my counts on R vs L posters here.

You counted posts, not posters if I understand correctly. Big difference. Also you counted at night which I've noticed seems to have more of the right present, vs the morning when there seems to be more of the left present.

No I didn't like LBJ... I thought he was just another Texas strong man.... I wouldn't of let the man watch my garbage for fear he would eat it and try to sue me for the damages. He was indeed a murdering SOB that got away with way too much shit.

I don't think it is entirely accurate to say we Lost the VN war either... We left due to pressure from within the citizenry of America.. We were never defeated in any major battles... In fact the NVA was within two weeks of throwing in the towel because of the B-52 raids but Kissinger Jumped the gun according to the stuff I have read.

I do think that JFK would have ended the war if he had lived... He was about to shut it down.. McNamara knew it couldn't be fought to a win without blasting them back to the stone age and Kennedy just wasn't that type of guy... He would have negotiated a solid DMZ and called it even.

I disagree. Outside DOCSARVIS I can't think of a whole lot of 'lefties' who post more during the day.

I'm usually working on stuff during the day, but I'll make time to do a couple spot checks of various hour increments of time.

No doubt the same results will be self evident.

I do think that JFK would have ended the war if he had lived... He was about to shut it down..

True. Reports are he had an Executive Order sitting on his desk to do just that when he headed off to Dallas for the day.

Got friends in Brownwood

There's a cool dairy in (sorta) nearby Dublin. It is out of the way and remote, but worth visiting. It is small, but they have some killer cheeses they make there. They milk their own cows, too. Worth a visit, even though you'd probably be their only customer at the time. It's never busy.

www.veldhuizencheese.com

Thanks. I'll ask you about that again when the time draws near.

It is small, but they have some killer cheeses they make there.

Will they let me 'cut the cheese'? I probably wouldn't if I"m the only customer. No one else to suspect. LOL

When you let a politician run a war it's a police action and a mess...

Had Nixon Launched every bomber and fighter we had around the clock 24/7 starting the day he took office it would have been over after a month of around the clock total destruction...

Im that type of guy...

I would have launched every B-52 we had every day till there were none of them left or they totally caved in...

There is a famous NVA politician now living in Paris who has stated repeatedly that when Kissinger offered the last deal North Hanoi was two weeks from surrender. Kissinger never even realized. Nixon's round the clock B-52 raids were working. Just needed to give it more time.

Why do you think Kennedy initially committed to VN

#68 | Posted by themaniscoming

He was fed a crock when the planeload of 'experts' he commissioned were secretively replaced with hawks and military manufacturers.

Why do you think Kennedy initially committed to VN

#68 | Posted by themaniscoming

He was definitely duped.

No doubt about it.

He found out too, right before Dallas.

Right wing politicians, like Goldwater, were blasting Johnson right and left before he started increasing troops sizes to the levels they eventually reached.

Had it not been for the hawks and right wingers we'd have gotten out of Vietnam early in Johnson's Presidency. He didn't want to step up our involvement. His own recently released phone conversations reveal the massive push from the right wing to step up Vietnam in the name of stamping out Communism and avoiding the "Domino Theory" - a term coined by Eisenhower in 1954.

#78 | Posted by goatman

It's been about 20 years since I went to Brownwood. It'll be curious to see if it's changed much.

I doubt it.

It's been about 20 years since I went to Brownwood

They used to have a killer football team. It seemed Plano played them several times in the AAA playoffs in the late '60s, early '70s. But then Plano went AAAA and Odessa Permian was the team to beat.

They guy who heads up the ad agency that handles Southwest Airlines (among others) is from Brownwood and played on the football team.

He was definitely duped.

The democrats sure are easily duped. (see also Bush duping them into going to Iraq to wage war) You'd think we'd elect people who aren't such patsies.

He was fed a crock when the planeload of 'experts' he commissioned were secretively replaced with hawks and military manufacturers.

Yes I have to agree there... The frigging money men.... They're still out there too.... Been that way for a thousand years really.... You have the rich making lots of money off of the Dead.

I doubt it.

Why would you "doubt" Brownwood has changed since 1990?

BTW, his name's Roy Spence. Brownwood boy done good!

JAK

Because I have friends there who've lived there their whole lives who say so.

I said 'changed much'.

Because I have friends there who've lived there their whole lives who say so.

Your "friends" are engaging in a little folksy hyperbole.

Between 3M, TSTC, Vulcan, etc., Brownwood has changed dramatically in 20 years.

Between 3M, TSTC, Vulcan, etc., Brownwood has changed dramatically in 20 years.

Great. I look forward to visiting again. Probably easier to see change from the outside than the inside.

What a great story! I can't wait to see the movie. I am sure there will be one.

RIP Mon ami!