You have to wonder why anyone kept paying ol' Dan money after the forgery thing. Wasn't that sign enough that he'd lost his damn mind?

And I reject the idea that there's a "racial minefield that exists when talking about the nation's first black president". You can talk about the President all day long and race would play no part. You gotta go looking for those mines.

You gotta go looking for those mines.

Absolutely correct. Rather wasn't being a racist.

When you put an ACORN Community Organizer without the executive experience of a 7-11 night worker in the White House, who only got elected because he was black, this is the type of crap you eventually get when that fool actually tries to play president. The great affirmative action president is an abject failure, and the MSM is finally realizing the problem.

SPOKANEJIM

You're in error. The "Community Organizer" built a community organization from one employee (him) 'til it had hundreds of paid and volunteer employees.

On the other hand, George W Bush managed to run oil companies into the ground and leave investors on the losing end before his political life began.

The failure is SPOKANEJIM.

Obama has never worked at ACORN. Even if he did ACORN is not a dirty word (except in Glennbeckistan!).

As AU rightly points out his organizing and political skills built him a powerful campaign that got him elected because outmaneuvered and thoroughly kicked John McCain and Sarah Palin's fear-mongering asses.

The only fool I've seen try to "play" President was GW Bush.

"The failure is SPOKANEJIM.
Obama has never worked at ACORN...."
#5 | Posted by donnerboy

WTF?

#6 | Posted by KBM at 2010-03-08 07:25 PM | Reply | Flag

Do you get paid by the link, spammer?

Null, a great way to avoid discussing content is to attack to poster.

no he doesnt and I dont either..

but I will speak up for my fellow texan and college co-alumnus

this is a figure of speech...as in, round heh in texas, boy, anyone can sell a melon.....
I would LOVE to call this asshole a racist fuck but I dont believe he is or was being one.

Obama has never worked at ACORN...."
#5 | Posted by donnerboy

"WTF?"

Keep in mind, you are dealing with someone who claims because some DA in New York didn't file charges against ACORN, that the rest of the charges against them must be false.

"Listen he's a nice person, he's very articulate" this is what's been used against him"

Rather saying being articulate and nice is the reason for his failure, is no better or truthful than saying it is because of race. Of course ignoring how it was passed, and the lack of any guarantee this will be reform are how repubs and independents view it. The desperation of this administration is obvious, and all Obama's campaigning won't change people's minds or make the legislation any better. All it does is solidify his amateur status as POTUS.

Never owned, supervised or ran anything in his life....except his mouth. Couldn't lead a cubscout pack.

great
we tried to warn people of that very thing about obama and as he said himslef...judge him by the people he surrounds himslef with

shall we just START out with rev wright and bill ayres or go right to rhom emanual....who likes to acost congressman in showers.

#4 AU--

You are so wrong. Where do you get that stuff?

"Obama: moved to Chicago; became a community organizer as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization on Chicago's far South Side. During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from 1 to 13 and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization."

Meanwhile George w Bush ran every company into the ground, leaving his investors out of their money.

Then he did the same to an entire country.

Wow. Love your heros, righties.

That's 13 paid staffers and hundreds of volunteers.

Let's see Palin's record as a 1/2 term governor, or tell us about what a wonderful job Bush did again.

AU--

You got to love a thread about Matthews and Rather is somehow an opening to invoke Bush in every retort. I am beginning to think AU has some sort of non sexual crush on the guy. Seeing as he can't go more than a minute without writing his name.

"who only got elected because he was black,"

Not because he ran one of the most successful campaigns in American politics. Not because he (or his handlers) created brilliant speeches and political events. Not because his advertising was top notch. Not because he operated as a class act. Not because he tapped some sort of zeitgeist (even if or thought it was or may have been bullshit).

Dude, are you racist or just blind to how politics works? That's as bad as saying Bush was elected only because his daddy was president. It ignores soooo many other factors.

"Do you get paid by the link, spammer?"
#7 | Posted by nullifidian

No, that is just to curb your "Link please" posts.

No, that is just to curb your "Link please" posts.

#20 | Posted by KBM

I've never made a "link please" post, spammer.

We only purchase watermelons from respected people - People who have grown them for a very long time - experienced watermelon growers.

Funny that AU has to compare nObama with people he never ran against. Comparing nObama with anyone else would too clearly show his inability to lead anything other than an Easter Egg hunt. Sorry, AU, but Bush ain't around no more, time to find something else to rail against. Comparing nObama to an old has been that most of America hates does not elevate nObama, it merely shows him for what he is, another loser.

"Not because he ran one of the most successful campaigns in American politics. Not because he (or his handlers) created brilliant speeches and political events. Not because his advertising was top notch. Not because he operated as a class act. Not because he tapped some sort of zeitgeist (even if or thought it was or may have been bullshit)."

And not because he had any experience. Not because he had any accomplishments. Not because he had managed to gain any executive knowledge. Not because of any long history of political acumen,. Not because of any substance whatsoever. Thank you for reminding everyone of the fact that without a lot of glitz, glamor, and a well rehearsed teleprompter Obama would still be nothing more than a black, junior senator from Illinois, still voting for 3rd trimester abortions and any spending bill than comes his way.

Comparing nObama to an old has been that most of America hates does not elevate nObama, it merely shows him for what he is, another loser.

Great point. Thi is exactly why the most common deflection the lefties use when confronted with Obama's shortcomings is "But Bush did x". Compare Obama to a past good or even mediocre president and he looks like shit. But if you set the standard low enough, he looks great.

I'll rail against Bush until the fucking mess he left America in is no more.

Funny how right wingers are so adamant we forget about Bush. Before he left office we heard about Jimmy Carter and Clinton all the time.

Please, save your faux outrage.

#25 | Posted by goatman

Ya, because most of the conversations on this site are about deficits, et al - all legacies of the worst Presidency, maybe ever.

Bush fucked this country up royally, yet you expect things to turn around in a year or two.

Hell, right wingers started in on Obama nonstop before he ever took the oath of office.

Ever a word about "I want him to fail"? Nope.

Funny how right wingers are so adamant we forget about Bush.

I don't think I've heard anyone from either the left or the right suggest we forget Bush. I have heard a lot of people say they think that focusing on the present and the future is more productive than focusing on the past, however. I tend to agree with that.

Dan Rather was fed a forgery deliberately so that he could be forced from the airwaves.

Spud has always held that it was a successful dirty trick played on him by his enemies on the right.

That noted... "Watermelons"?

S'rsly?

* face-palm *

Couldn't he have just sed "hotcakes"?

That all noted, the perception of Obama as being a weak leader is, in many ways, a gross overstatement. He's dealing with a corrupt and recalcitrant house and his agenda has enemies on both sides of the aisle due to corporate over-influence. The public largely gets this which is why Congress' popularity is approaching single digits while Obama's hovers around 50.

He needs a win on health care reform now almost as much as America needs actual health care reform.

Be Well.

Rather is immature?

I don't think I've heard anyone from either the left or the right suggest we forget Bush.

You do all the time. Just bring him up and it's "Let's live in the now!". Your embarassment is understandable.

I have heard a lot of people say they think that focusing on the present and the future is more productive than focusing on the past, however. I tend to agree with that.

Well, we're living right now with the results of Bush's Presidency. So, the past is not out of bounds.

The past has never been out of bounds for right wingers. We heard about Carter and Clinton ad nauseum. Well, until Obama was elected, then it's "full speed ahead and let's not talk about the past!"

Bush fucked this country up royally, yet you expect things to turn around in a year or two.

It would be nice, but I don't expect it. Hell, he is such a poor leader, I don't expect to see any change during his 4 year tenure. There have been so many "hope and change" promises broken, I have become jaded as hell.

I will concede that BHO apparently means well....if good intentions were enough.

You do all the time. Just bring him up and it's "Let's live in the now!".

Living in the now and not forgetting the past are not mutually exclusive as you imply. History doesn't have to be repeated ad nauseum in order to be remembered. Did you hear every day for 12 years of public schooling that Columbus discovered America in 1492 or did you hear it once in 1st grade and move on to other things? I presume the latter. Yet you still remembered that Columbus discovered American in 1492, didn't you?

Likewise Bush's legacy is well known and won't be forgetten for a very, very long time -- if ever. So what is the point of daily repeating "Bush sucks". Wouldn't it be more productive to look at Obama's shortcomings and try to get them fixed? Seems to me it would be since we can't change the past, but we can the present and future. It's worth a try at any rate, don't you think?

He's trying to change the tone in D.C. as he said he would. OK, he tried. Time for cases of "Whupass" to be delivered to the WH.

And, as a 'poor leader' the 700,000 a month unemployment numbers that littered the last months of Bush's Presidency have been taken to a trickle of 20-30,000, economic indicators are on their way up, our image around the world has been restored, Afghanistan is finally being rid of the Taliban and given a shot, Pakistan is on board, we haven't been attacked.

If health care is what you're talking about, should he have done what Hillary did and deliver a bill to Congress? Un, anyone with common sense wouldn't have tried that. Obama gave the Republicans a chance to participate.

They've been 100% opposed to anything he proposes, and even 100% opposed to REPUBLICAN ideas once Obama embraced them - like the Deficit Commission, for instance.

Oh, well. Right wingers have one set of rules for their own, and another set of rules when the opposition is in power. Hell, the Republicans couldn't abide by their OWN stated principles when they were in complete power. Figures.

#34 | Posted by goatman

The only time I bring up Bush is when some idiot right winger makes some incredibly innane remark about Obama - usually presumptive as hell and not based on anything tangible, just an extreme dislike of him for his color or his party or whatever nonsense knee jerk meme infects the right wing mind.

What if that Rather 'watermelon' comment had been uttered in the same forum by, say, a conservative commentator like a Lou Dobbs or a George Will? Or what about a present or former Republican pol like a Mitt Romney or a Newt Gingrich?

We've seen the relative pass Joe Biden got with his "clean, articulate" comment.

To SPUD's point, Rather could have used something beside watermelon.

But he didn't.

"I have become jaded as hell."

become??

come on goat... you were jaded long ago.
;)

Nobody just spouts a line like that off the cuff.

Not because McCain ran one of the worst campaigns in American politics following one of the worst presidencies in America's history.

#19 | Posted by pragmatist at 2010-03-08 10:33 PM

Rather may not be a bigot, but if a Conservative had said the same, he would be branded a bigot and there would be much more coverage of the story by the unprofessional biased and incompetent peole who claim they are journalists (probably got their degrees in the mail).

Again we are allowing Liberals to set two standards, one for them, one for everyone else.

This has to stop.

We need one single standard.

Hey, Obama tried to sell me some fried chicken, but told him, no, 'cause I'm on a diet.

The only time I bring up Bush is when some idiot right winger makes some incredibly innane remark about Obama - usually presumptive as hell and not based on anything tangible, just an extreme dislike of him for his color or his party or whatever nonsense knee jerk meme infects the right wing mind.

#36 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-03-09 05:28 AM

I am not sure what is more laughable, the fact that you believe the tripe you wrote in this retort, or that you think others believe it. Someone brings up Obama's poll numbers and immediately you bring up Bush. Someone brings up the economy and you immediately invoke Bush. Come on AU, like you asked a couple of days ago, "Let's be honest here"... There are at least two comments on this thread you made defending Obama and instead of ending it there you invoked Bush or Palin.

I love it when the dems start to eat their own :)

He's trying to change the tone in D.C. as he said he would.

He never once made any effort whatsoever to change the tone in D.C. He's paid lip-service to it and nothing more.

He's gone out of his way to be divisive as possible.

Funny how right wingers are so adamant we forget about Bush. Before he left office we heard about Jimmy Carter and Clinton all the time.

Please, save your faux outrage.

#26 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

well bro you are missing the point if you think we are saying to just forget..what we are saying is that to blame him for everything going on now is partisan silliness

for instance.

SINCE OBAMA..
4 or is it 6 million jobs lost.

debt will DOUBLE even though the obama 'experts' said otherwise

deficit exploded by more than a trillion...and dont EVEN bring up the bush deficit because the trillion Im speaking of is AFTER the bush shit...

national security without a DOUBT weaker today than before jan of 2009.

look at poll about our worldwide rep just out..
OVER 50 per cent of people now dont like or trust us...so what happend to MISTER ALL WORLD obama???
wasnt that why he HAD TO WIN???>

OH YEAH ON RATHER

is it me or have some of you seen the SHOW AFTER SHOW all over the tube and in papers about how this radical texan is a racist and a threat to every black man woman and child..

you know...what the reaction would have been if a conservative had said this?>??>????

"Listen he's a nice person, he's very articulate" this is what's been used against him, "but he couldn't sell watermelons, I'm sure he's eaten his share, but he couldn't sell them if you gave him the state troopers to flag down the traffic."

That's pretty racist.

"Listen he's a nice person, he's very articulate" this is what's been used against him, "but he couldn't sell watermelons, I'm sure he's eaten his share and washed them down with a few 40's of Mickeys, but he couldn't sell them if you gave him the state troopers to flag down the traffic."

There, that's more like it.

you know...what the reaction would have been if a conservative had said this?>??>????

#47 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2010-03-09 12:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sure---applause, high ratings, and defense.

1. "Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?"

Rush Limbaugh

3. "Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it."

Rush Limbaugh

4. "The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies.

Rush Limbaugh

5. "They're 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?"

Rush Limbaugh

6. [To an African American female caller]: "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back."

Rush Limbaugh

and more.... that's what happens when a conservative says something like that.

BBOB

Conservatives have one set of rules for their own and another for Democrats.

"Conservatives have one set of rules for their own and another for Democrats.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY"

How immature and outrageous, kettle. Link, please.

How immature and outrageous, kettle. Link, please.

#52 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2010-03-10 04:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

Rush Limbaugh

and more.... that's what happens when a conservative says something like that.

newsone.com

#50 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2010

HOWS IT hanging boboreeno?
yeah lets look at rush...,or rather..how about bill mahr and kathy girffin and joy bahar and sometimes even stewart and colbert...they say something like this about the right or palin and they are excused because they are 'entertainers'...
rush says something and he's the devil.

we know and understand this little game by the left better than they even might...
and it just doesnt work anymore with people who pay any attention at all.

where have you been anyway..I would tell you that I missed you..but that would be like me saying that I missed having another root canal....lol

he couldn't be a racist. he's liberal.

Some said he was going to tear up the rose garden and plant watermellons. Dan must have been one. At least he talks less negro now.

Some said he was going to tear up the rose garden and plant watermellons

George Bush had bluebonnets planted there

yeah lets look at rush...,or rather..how about bill mahr and kathy girffin and joy bahar and sometimes even stewart and colbert...they say something like this about the right or palin and they are excused because they are 'entertainers'...
rush says something and he's the devil.

You think Rush is funny? You think Rush is an entertainer? No---Rush is an anti-American hate monger that would be welcome at any KKK rally. How about you post some of the things those entertainers said that compares to what Rush said, and keep it in context---just like I did. Just because you make stuff up, doesn't mean you have rebutted the points made.

we know and understand this little game by the left better than they even might...
and it just doesnt work anymore with people who pay any attention at all.

How would you know? You haven't paid attention in years. You think Rush is an entertainer----pay attention.

#54 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2010-03-10 11:27 AM | Reply | Flag

Dan Rather is the "Joe Biden" of journalism.