The bill tasks the President to determine criteria for designating an individual as a "high-value detainee" if he/she is suspected as following: (1) poses a threat of an attack on civilians or civilian facilities within the U.S. or U.S. facilities abroad; (2) poses a threat to U.S. military personnel or U.S. military facilities; (3) potential intelligence value; (4) is a member of al Qaeda or a terrorist group affiliated with al Qaeda or (5) such other matters as the President considers appropriate. The President must submit the regulations and guidance to the appropriate committees of Congress no later than 60 days after enactment.

To the extent possible, the High-Value Detainee Interrogation Team must make a preliminary determination whether the detainee is an unprivileged enemy belligerent within 48 hours of taking detainee into custody.

A recurring pattern of recent draconian bills to be written so broadly to give full discretion to the executive branch. Even further illustrated by giving Executive full reign to act at will, then "notify" Congress within 60 days.

Just noticing the mindset from last two bills proposed by McCain, imagine if this scum had been elected President!

Since the President has full discretion, a recent look at the Presidents' actions show his mindset.

A close reading of the bill suggests it would allow the U.S. military to detain U.S. citizens without trial indefinitely in the U.S. based on suspected activity

Holy violation of the Bill of Rights, Batman.

Of course, Joseph Lieberman.

Hated round the world
People like you are to blame
You give Jews
A bad name

This is the thread where lefties get bent out of shape because it's Joe Lieberman and John McCain. Had it been a democrat, lefties would probably shrug it off as outlandish, paranoid rantings of an unstable mind.

Not all. My chief concern with the Health Care bill was that it gave too much power to the Federal government to determine the viability of medical procedures. Wording is vital; more than what those in power say they will do with it.

As I told the right: You may trust Bush with these powers, but the powers will remain after the man you trust is gone and you may not trust the next guy.

This is the thread where lefties get bent out of shape because it's Joe Lieberman and John McCain. Had it been a democrat, lefties would probably shrug it off as outlandish, paranoid rantings of an unstable mind.
#5 | Posted by Axiom

Since we'll never know for sure, how about you comment on the subject matter rather than make partisan deflections?

the U.S. Military cannot detain civilian U.S. citizens inside the U.S., or elsewhere for that matter.

Mccain and Lieberman MUST GO!

#8, the SPLC? sheesh man, give it a rest.

the U.S. Military cannot detain civilian U.S. citizens inside the U.S., or elsewhere for that matter.

But US citizens declared enemy combatants? Bring it on, sucka!

the U.S. Military cannot detain civilian U.S. citizens inside the U.S., or elsewhere for that matter.

Hard as it is to believe, sooner or later there could be another Republican puppet in the White House who will need a law like this on the books.

John McCain is just attempting to do some advance preparation for those days when he hopes tyranny and corruption will once again reign supreme in the White House.

This Bill makes me wonder if Dick Cheney is still pulling McCain's strings.

Cheney always did like that word 'indefinite.'

McLame and LIEberman (The I stands for Israel) did WOT?!

Ya see, THIS is why Spud declares that while both parties are overly corporately influenced the equivilancy argument is dead.

The GOPhers are trying to take the country to hard right while jumping up and down and declaring anyone who doesn't agree with them to be commie pinko bastards.

Luckily only morons fall for this patter.

Unfortunately, as the Palin-Americans and Teabaggers have shown us, the US has more than it's fair share of morons atm.

Be Well.

....if this passess......

....we will fall behind countries like Russia, China, and Saudi in being a free nation.......

.....I guess we'll be the ones who will need someone to bring us democracy ...........

.....ironic, we exported it so often, now we don't have enough left for ourselves......

#14 twin
John McCain is just attempting to do some advance preparation for those days when he hopes tyranny and corruption will once again reign supreme in the White House.

You've found the right "terminology", but something's lacking on your implementation.

#15 deth

Back to back calculated drivel. You hadn't noticed the article correctly shatters this false paradigm?

You hadn't noticed the article correctly shatters this false paradigm?

Wot false paradigm?

The equivalency argument?

No, it doesn't.

Be Well.

#19 spud
Wot false paradigm?

The equivalency argument?

No, it doesn't.

Of course it [sic]duzznt. [sic]Cuz if it did, what would 80% of the DR [sic]cummunittee do with their time?

Time to change the aluminum foil in yer hat.

I wonder if the trains are ready? And have the tracks been laid down which lead to the camps? Are they going to use ovens again, or something else?

Are there any queers in the audience tonight?
GET THEM UP AGAINST THE WALL!
There's one in the spotlight!
He don't look right to me.
GET HIM UP AGAINST THE WALL!
And that one looks Jewish
And that one's a coon!
Who let all this riff-raff into the room?
There's one smoking a joint!
And another with spots!
If I had my way...
I'D HAVE ALL OF YA SHOT!

I wonder if the trains are ready?

People get ready
There's a train a-coming
You don't need no ticket
You just speak your mind

And on the tracks
There is freedom dying
You don't really notice
Through all their lies

This Bill makes me wonder if Dick Cheney is still pulling McCain's strings.

#14 | Posted by Twinpac

Cheney never did. I still think the NVA turned him when he was a prisnor. He comes up with some real weird shit. John needs to go.

#21. Is that the recomended course of action when prominant national leaders propose to suspend habeous corpus on a hunch?

What a team. The Best Democracy Money Can Buy. McCain used to stand for some things decent, even though Lieberman never has. Gore's running mate. We need to abolish our two party system really badly. But, not to be replaced with Independents like Lieberman.

President Obama issued an executive order removing the Reagan limitations. That is, Interpol's property and assets are no longer subject to search and confiscation, and its archives are now considered inviolable. This international police force (whose U.S. headquarters is in the Justice Department in Washington) will be unrestrained by the U.S. Constitution and American law while it operates in the United States and affects both Americans and American interests outside the United States.

This is the thread where lefties get bent out of shape because it's Joe Lieberman and John McCain. Had it been a democrat, lefties would probably shrug it off as outlandish, paranoid rantings of an unstable mind.
#5 | Posted by Axiom

Since we'll never know for sure, how about you comment on the subject matter rather than make partisan deflections?

We will know for sure, since the bill "tasks the President to determine criteria for designating an individual as a "high-value detainee." If Obama (a Democrat) opposes this bill, he can simply make the criteria so narrow that nobody would ever be considered a "high value detainee." You and I both know that won't happen.

"Of course, Joseph Lieberman.

Hated round the world
People like you are to blame
You give Jews
A bad name"

Wow, how clever. Its OK to hate Jews as long as you can find a few examples of unlikable Jews like Joe Lieberman.

That isn't the thought process of an anti-semite at all. Nope.

Let's just heed the Republican advice for any health care reforms and do the same for the American constitution. Rip it up and start over. But why simply jug anyone suspected of spitting on the sidewalk? Forget the trial, forget the Miranda warnings and appeals process. Just shoot the bastards! herm

McLame and LIEberman (The I stands for Israel) did WOT?!

Ya see, THIS is why Spud declares that while both parties are overly corporately influenced the equivilancy argument is dead.

The GOPhers are trying to take the country to hard right while jumping up and down and declaring anyone who doesn't agree with them to be commie pinko bastards.

Luckily only morons fall for this patter.

Unfortunately, as the Palin-Americans and Teabaggers have shown us, the US has more than it's fair share of morons atm.

Be Well.

#15 | Posted by dethspud

Obummer and HOLder (the H stands for Hamas) did WOT?!

Ya see, THIS is why Matsop declares that while both parties are overly corporately influenced the equivalency argument is dead.

The DUMMOcrats are trying to take the country to hard left while jumping up and down and declaring anyone who doesn't agree with them to be nazi bastards.

Luckily, only morons fall for this patter.

Unfortunately, as the Obama-Americans and Acorners have shown us, the US has more than its' fair share of morons atm.

Be Ill.

Be Ill.

#32 | Posted by matsop

I generally always get ill after reading your crap.

I wonder if the trains are ready? And have the tracks been laid down which lead to the camps? Are they going to use ovens again, or something else?
#22 | Posted by Sabbatai

What, you didn't get the memo? It''ll be high-speed monorail for collection and delivery. Disposal will be handled by transporter teleportration. You'll be sent out as normal. You just won't be called back.

Does anyone of either party on DR support this?

WTF are these dimwits smoking? What actual harm could occur from reading the Miranda rights to AMERICANS in AMERICA??? What are we afraid of? Are we afraid of our own laws? WTF! WTF! WTF!

hmmm Wait! on the other hand...does this apply to the teabaggers? Maybe this is a good thing! We can round them all up and send them to Glennbeckistan!

Does anyone of either party on DR support this?

#35 | Posted by NotMyRealName

No, because it's been proposed under this administration. If this had been introduced in 2005, there's be a ton of right wingers here spouting "What's the problem, if you're not doing anything wrong, what have you to fear".

Its OK to hate Jews as long as you can find a few examples of unlikable Jews like Joe Lieberman.

That isn't the thought process of an anti-semite at all. Nope.

#30 | Posted by Sully at 2010-03-09 12:27 PM

ROFLMAO! I'm Jewish.

The DUMMOcrats are trying to take the country to hard left

Only in comparison to the reactionary tea baggers. Or was Maggie Thatcher hard left?

Let's just heed the Republican advice for any health care reforms and do the same for the American constitution. Rip it up and start over.

#31 | Posted by herm

Ya, dumb shit theye are the same. The founding documents of our country on one side and the government takeover if 1/5 of our entire economy which would give them a hammer over every person in the US. They are the same!!! dumb shit!!!!

"ROFLMAO! I'm Jewish."

I still don't get how the existence of Joe Lieberman, assuming he's a horrible person, lends any credibility to people who hate on Jews.

Or maybe you were joking and I just don't get it.

ROFLMAO! I'm Jewish.
#38 | Posted by kanrei

Funny, you don't look it.
Can you whistle in Jew?

Or maybe you were joking and I just don't get it.
BINGO. Read this again, only sing it to the tune of Bon Jovi's "You Give Love a Bad Name."

Hated round the world
People like you are to blame
You give Jews
A bad name

I generally always get ill after reading your crap.

#33 | Posted by Monstman

Then the effort and posting was a positive. I hope you have an adequate supply of Immodium and Phenergan rectal suppositories.

"BINGO. Read this again, only sing it to the tune of Bon Jovi's "You Give Love a Bad Name.""

LOL. Missed that the 1st time. I think I need a nap.

=D

S.3081

COSPONSORS(9), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]: (Sort: by date)

Sen Brown, Scott P. [MA] - 3/4/2010
Sen Chambliss, Saxby [GA] - 3/4/2010
Sen Inhofe, James M. [OK] - 3/4/2010
Sen LeMieux, George S. [FL] - 3/4/2010
Sen Lieberman, Joseph I. [CT] - 3/4/2010
Sen Sessions, Jeff [AL] - 3/4/2010
Sen Thune, John [SD] - 3/5/2010
Sen Vitter, David [LA] - 3/4/2010
Sen Wicker, Roger F. [MS] - 3/4/2010

All GOP except Lieberman.

No, because it's been proposed under this administration. If this had been introduced in 2005, there's be a ton of right wingers here spouting "What's the problem, if you're not doing anything wrong, what have you to fear".

#37 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2010-03-09 12:52 PM

McLame and LIEberman
Sen Brown, Scott P. [MA] - 3/4/2010
Sen Chambliss, Saxby [GA] - 3/4/2010
Sen Inhofe, James M. [OK] - 3/4/2010
Sen LeMieux, George S. [FL] - 3/4/2010
Sen Sessions, Jeff [AL] - 3/4/2010
Sen Thune, John [SD] - 3/5/2010
Sen Vitter, David [LA] - 3/4/2010
Sen Wicker, Roger F. [MS] - 3/4/2010

As soon as this goes into effect-these are the first people to permanently detain-without a trial, with regular "Enhanced Interrogations", and NO access to courts or Lawyers.

Ummm, why would the "right" oppose Republican legislation just because Obama is president?

#48 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

Because if this happens while Obama is President, suddenly they're concerned for their rights. If Bush had done it it would be OK, as he only had their protection and best interest at heart.

Because if this happens while Obama is President, suddenly they're concerned for their rights. If Bush had done it it would be OK, as he only had their protection and best interest at heart.

#50 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2010-03-09 03:08 PM

You have a horrible piece of (shit) legislation sponsored only by Republicans and Lieberman as the subject of the thread, threatening to expand government intrusion in our lives and to further erode constitutional rights, and the best you can come up with is a whine that righties are partisan and don't like Obama and might oppose it based on his support? It's like you're preparing for the off chance that Obama comes out in support of this, and you need to get your deflections all in order. lol!

you have the right to follow orders.

#38 | Posted by kanrei at 2010-03-09 12:59 PM

Yeah, I caught that too...

I was about to inform him of that, but you beat me to it...

Funny sh*t...

Far as I can see the Bill is aimed at terrorists looking to blow stuff up in the united states and elsewhere. You guys have a problem with that?

I don't see why...

Far as I can see the Bill is aimed at terrorists looking to blow stuff up in the united states and elsewhere. You guys have a problem with that?

I don't see why...

I think they really meant to say that they should be able to remain in Congress forever.

#55 | Posted by themaniscoming at 2010-03-09 08:56 PM
***"I don't see why..."

If the American government has the legal right to indefinitely detain and interrogate Americans at the whim of the president, sooner or later some president will use it for erroneous purposes. This is a given...

And, given the recent political climate: domestic wire taps, warrantless searches, internet surveillance, etc., along with the broad legal definition of the term: "Terrorist", doesn't it seem just a bit far reaching in a Civil Liberty kind of way???

the ignorance...

look up the words john adams.

You know you are getting old when you leave your fly down after going to the bathroom, but you are old for sure if you forget to pull it down...

Take heed you two .... Time for both of you to go bye bye from the Senate

Just a note: I do not believe that this bill is "giving [the] Executive [branch] full reign to act at will, then "notify" Congress within 60 days." I believe that the bill lays out the general principles by which they would like the President to adhere, but are leaving the details up to him. He has 60 days after the bill is passed to establish the procedure for determining whether or not someone is a "high value detainee" and then report back to Congress exactly what that procedure is. This is pretty common practice because the Congress is either too lazy, dumb, or deferential (take your pick) to nail down the particulars themselves.

Punish, punish, punish!!

When will we learn?

Far as I can see the Bill is aimed at terrorists looking to blow stuff up in the united states and elsewhere. You guys have a problem with that?

I don't see why...

#55 | Posted by themaniscoming

Would it have stopped 9/11/01? Would it have stopped the shoe bomber? Would it have stopped the pantie bomber? Would it have stopped the Fort Hood Shooting? Would it have stopped the OKC bombing?

NO to all the above!!!!!

So what would have it bought for your comfort?

I don't see why...

#55 | Posted by themaniscoming

Would it have stopped 9/11/01? Would it have stopped the shoe bomber? Would it have stopped the pantie bomber? Would it have stopped the Fort Hood Shooting? Would it have stopped the OKC bombing?

NO to all the above!!!!!

So what would have it bought for your comfort?

wow! that was pretty insightful sniper!

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."