This is just an extension of the way a lot of Americans feel about the law in general. Only the government prosecutor and the innocent deserve lawyers. And if you're arrested/detained, well we know you're not innocent.

Its really sad.

well I guess the government prosecutor is a lawyer. usually.

Everyone has Nancy Grace syndrome. EVERYONE is guilty,,, of SOMETHING...

I've sat on juries twice, once at the county level and the second time in federal court. On both occasions, prospective jurors were excused when they mouthed off with some variant on the "They wouldn't be sitting in the defendant's chair if they weren't guilty of something" theme. All who ultimately served on the jury swore a person's status as defendant in no way colored their views about guilt or innocence. And in each instance at least one juror, once deliberations began, uttered the same, automatically disqualifying sentiments as the prospective jurors who were excused because of those sentiments.

"Everyone has Nancy Grace syndrome. EVERYONE is guilty,,, of SOMETHING..."

I can understand where this sentiment may come from. Its far easier to believe that the government always arrests the right guy than it is to realize that we live in a world of imperfect justice and to acknowledge the vigilance and action that is necessary to ensure that it works as close to the ideal as possible.

I can understand where this sentiment may come from.

#5 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at

In Nancy Grace's case it comes from a quest for ratings. Screaming at or about how guilty some fuck is pays the bills for her, it's dangerous for the rest of us.

Nancy Grace is guilty of really really bad schlock journalism.

With all the laws we have here in the US, you couldn't possibly be squeeky clean.

With all the laws we have here in the US, you couldn't possibly be squeeky clean.
#8 | Posted by Sniper | Flag: Squeak Free

EVERYONE is guilty,,, of SOMETHING...

That's the line I use to get out of jury duty. Works every time.

That article starts out with complete garbage. Nevermind that the vast majority of those accused of Communist sympathies turned out to be actual members of the Communist party with the intent of undermining the government.

To then equate lawyers with Communists is rather insulting to both, I suspect. And then to suggest that going after Communists is the same as going after lawyers is beyond preposterous.

More unintelligent drivel from the far left, masquerading as liberalism when it is in reality 'reborn' Communism and hard left Socialism. So disgusting to see.

"Nevermind that the vast majority of those accused of Communist sympathies turned out to be actual members of the Communist party with the intent of undermining the government."

"Until this moment, senator, I think I never gauged your cruelty or recklessness .... Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"

I'm guilty of wishing Nancy Grace......goes off the air.

The United States is a nation of laws: badly written and randomly enforced.
Frank Zappa (1940 - 1993

The United States is a nation of laws: badly written and randomly enforced.
Frank Zappa (1940 - 1993

#14 | Posted by kingcuke

I met Zappa at a party when I was about 10 years old. Didn't have a clue who he was until I was 19.

I represented myself in my custody and support hearings...does that count as being my own lawyer?

There is no reason to pick on these folks....they were doing their job. Everyone knows that lawyers are whores....just when you pay the tab, they are your whore...

Lawyers are high paid whores--your whore--my whore--the terrorist whore...

'More unintelligent drivel from the far left, masquerading as liberalism when it is in reality 'reborn' Communism and hard left Socialism. So disgusting to see.'

No what's really disgusting is to smear people based on who they defend as liz-bo just did.

She should look up who defended British soldiers after Boston massacre. #2 prez, John Adams.

Now what do you say?

I guess the DR Righatrds also feel that all court appointed public defenders are 'evil' as well.

Nevermind that the vast majority of those accused of Communist sympathies turned out to be actual members of the Communist party with the intent of undermining the government.

#11 | Posted by Geofferic at 2010-03-08 11:28 AM | Reply | Flag

Pure revisionist bullshit.

I guess the DR Righatrds also feel that all court appointed public defenders are 'evil' as well.

keep guessing.

I love lawyers.

on all sides.

I love lawyers.

on all sides.

#21 | Posted by eberly at 2010-03-08 03:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

I missed your condemnation of the Bill Kristol/ Liz Cheney McCarthyite assault on the rule of law. Please point me to it so I can apologize.

I missed your condemnation of the Bill Kristol/ Liz Cheney McCarthyite assault on the rule of law.

didn't make one.

Please point me to it so I can apologize.

uh, I was responding to Commonsense's post.

not yours.

re: didn't make one.

That's what I thought.

A group that includes leading conservative lawyers and policy experts, former Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr and several senior officials of the last Bush administration is denouncing as "shameful" Republican attacks on lawyers who came to the Obama Justice Department after representing suspected terrorists.

Senate Republicans have demanded details of the lawyers' past work and Liz Cheney's group "Keep America Safe" has questioned their "values." A drumbeat of Republican criticism forced the Justice Department reluctantly to identify seven of them last week. But the harshness of the criticism Keep America Safe labeled a group of them the "Al Qaeda Seven" has provoked a backlash from across the legal establishment.

"We consider these attacks both unjust to the individuals in question and destructive of any attempt to build lasting mechanisms for counterterrorism adjudications," wrote the 19 lawyers whose names were attached to the statement as of early Monday.

The statement cited John Adams's defense of British soldiers charged in the Boston Massacre to argue that "zealous representation of unpopular clients" is an important American tradition.

The attacks on the lawyers "undermine the Justice system more broadly," they wrote, by "delegitimizing" any system in which accused terrorists have lawyers, whether civilian courts of military tribunals......

Geez Boyd. you are such a pussy.

I think the comparison of those acts to McArthyism is a big stretch.

Of course, you would equate the two. not knowing shit about either one.

people's lives, careers were ruined over McArthyism.

can we say the same thing about these 8 lawyers who have represented detainees?

I didn't see that in the article. yes, the tactics are unethical IMO.

apples and oranges.

people's lives, careers were ruined over McArthyism.

#26 | Posted by eberly

I guess if you count commies that were ploting to turn this country into a socalistic country. A vast majority of thoes accused were commies.

Sniper, I'm referring to the people who were wrongly accused.

re: people's lives, careers were ruined over McArthyism.

can we say the same thing about these 8 lawyers who have represented detainees?

We can say the same about the attempt. In the ad they are referred to as the "Al Qaeda seven", fucktard.

Sniper-
What political philosophies and religions are outlawed in the Constitution? Explicitly and emphatically none, maybe?

Ugh!

again, you are a pussy boyd. nothing more.

show me where these attorneys are damaged or STFU.

Fox News goes after tons of folks.....much of it never sticks.

BetelG,

I just spent 20 minutes answering your questions on the nooner thread and the whole post deleted.

I am going to re-type it now.

Please check the nooner thread if you are going to be around for longer than 20 minutes.

A vast majority of thoes accused were commies.

#27 | Posted by Sniper

I doubt that statistic. I more believe that McCarthyism was a convenient way for some to trash their political adversaries. But, what if they were commies? Last I checked we are each free t our own political ideology in the U.S. The U.S. already is a social democracy. If you're going to say that there was/is some serious plot to make this country communist, then a similar hypothesis could be made about a righty attempt to turn this country too corporate fascism.

But, what if they were commies?

Huge difference between wearing the Commie/Socialist label on your sleeve, like Eugene Debs and being a traitorous commie spy providing untold numbers of secrets to this country's biggest adversary (at the time) like Alger Hiss and some others.

Traitorous is too soft - replace it with 'treasonous'.

Yeah, yeah, blah, blah. Same shit, different president. The lefty loons were squawking about the same crap when Bush was in office. Now it's the righty loons. After 2012 it'll be the lefty's turn again.

Posted by doc_sarvis

Don't forget Richard Howard Ichord Jr.Richard Howard Ichord Jr. who was demagogue on the left who smeared loyal Americans as disloyal and charged that the government was being undermined from within.

WHO? Richard Howard Ichord Jr. A Democrat that "was a significant U.S. anti-Communist political figure."
He did it much longer than McCarthy. But Democrats like to forget their own and publicize, inflate and dwell on Republican counterparts. Pro slavery/anti-black is another sterilized by the left. The left has even sterilized his bio on Wiki:

"Lawyers are high paid whores--your whore--my whore--the terrorist whore...

#17 | Posted by MURPHY at 2010-03-08 12:47 PM | Reply | Flag:DOOR GREETING WHORE AT WALMART

Interesting how this subject came up.. I sent the link to rcade yesterday and I'm astounded it wasn't newsworthy enough to him.

You ever have your house raided by FBI agents, take all of your computers, and terrorize your 11 year old daughter and wife while you were working 3 states away? Is the silence deafening because I'm not a liberal progressive or are the words IP and Free Speech only words you all use in your social circles?

Are You Or Have You Ever Been a Lawyer?

"JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION, SIR!!!!!!!!"

EVERYONE is guilty,,, of SOMETHING...
That's the line I use to get out of jury duty. Works every time.

#10 | POSTED BY RON_KARATE AT 2010-03-08 11:17 AM

I used to use the opposite: The 'Born Again' rationale -- everyone deserves a second chance!

Rather a Nation of Laws than a Nation of Scofflaws sez Spud.

A lot of the animus of the right towards the legal profession is pure politics.

Lawyers support the Dems the way Big Oil supports the GOPhers.

+1 fer the headline, btw.

Be Well.

KEN STARR: LIZ CHENEY WRONG FOR ATTACKING DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ATTORNEYS

I never said whores didn't have a heart of gold...just lawyers like to keep the gold and dump the heart.

Beside, if you pay 'em, they are YOUR whore...all good ;)

this is so fuckin typical..

didnt serve so can have no opinion on war issues..etc etc etc etc

but the larger issue is that when the right DARES to question the allknowing and smarter than everyone else left..this is the kind of bullshit you get back at you.
and then you answer THIS...and the titty baby left cries and whines about it until they think they have you...

horseshit...

and being a traitorous commie spy providing untold numbers of secrets to this country's biggest adversary (at the time) like Alger Hiss and some others.

#35 | Posted by JeffJ

So you're taking Snipers part that A vast majority of those accused were commies by also claiming that the said majority were also spies? Come-on Jeff, isn't that a bit of a stretch, even for you?

What ever happened to the rational JeffJ that existed back before the 2008 election?

"What ever happened to the rational JeffJ that existed back before the 2008 election?"

He decided to emulate his hero, Pinochet Mao, and followed him over the cliff into rightwing psycho-land.

part that A vast majority of those accused were commies

No.

I was pointing out the difference between somebody becoming a member of the Communist party in America (it's small, but it exists) and attempting, through the processes already in place, to change the political structure of America with a treasonous traitor who infiltrates our government and provides our secrets to our sworn enemies. One can be a commie without being a spy. But one can ALSO be a commie spy. They are two completely different things. That is all.

You completely misconstrued my point.