Meth addicts suck. Too many crank calls.

Barbara Harris and her program are criminal.

hope these women come back and sue their asses off.

Its a tough call, Ichi, because nobody wants a child to be born addicted to drugs but its wrong to dangle money in front of an addict, who is not in their right mind by definition, to accept sterilization.

You could take some of their eggs, leaving the option open to having a biological child some time in the future, should the woman one day get clean.

What's criminal about it. All I've heard since I've been born is that the woman owns her own body. If she wants to take three hundred bucks in exchange for a medical procedure, who are any of you to argue?

"It's just a clump of cells", say the abortion absolutists. In this case, it's not even that. If you could make the case that an aborted fetus is really better off not being born, then it's hard to argue here--there's no fetus in the first place, and the "mom" is a meth addict.

Legally, doesn't a person have to be of sound mind to sign most contracts? Sterilization for life is a pretty serious thing, it would then be a matter of what constitutes 'sound mind'.

I look forward to a DR lawyer telling me how wrong I am about this.

What's criminal about it. All I've heard since I've been born is that the woman owns her own body. If she wants to take three hundred bucks in exchange for a medical procedure, who are any of you to argue?
#5 | Posted by rightisright

Although I agree with you, would you feel the same way about a drug addicted woman being of sound mind to approve an abortion?

And I thought the Xtian "Right to Lifers" were all about procreation. Aren't each of these 9 kids a precious little gift from God?

How is this illegal if they enter into the contract under their own volition? Are you saying drug users lack the capacity to enter into contracts?

Are you saying drug users lack the capacity to enter into contracts?
#8 | Posted by taxman

Can a drug user be high or drug sick in a courtroom? My guess is that these agreements were made under one or the other condition.

Can a drug user be high or drug sick in a courtroom?

Do you mean as a witness or in general? In my very limited trial experience, I have seen some crazy things in courthouses. I think you are headed down a slippery slope when you say people who use/abuse drugs lack the capacity to enter into a contract.

"I think you are headed down a slippery slope when you say people who use/abuse drugs lack the capacity to enter into a contract."

Being actively under the influence disqualifies you from all sorts of things, maybe its something that should be taken into consideration with something as important as binding contracts.

Maybe.

Although I agree with you, would you feel the same way about a drug addicted woman being of sound mind to approve an abortion?
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I oppose abortion in almost any circumstances. But you can't have it both ways. You can't say that it's wrong for a meth addict to agree to be sterilized because of diminished capacity, and at the same time claim absolute abortion rights, though still incapacitated.

You can't say that it's wrong for a meth addict to agree to be sterilized because of diminished capacity, and at the same time claim absolute abortion rights, though still incapacitated.

#12 | Posted by rightisright

And I agree, I think you should be able to sell a kidney if you want.
So unless you're against this, you seem to be the one with 2 differing opinions.

I should be able to buy a kidney on Craigslist. Or sell one.

I should be able to buy a kidney on Craigslist. Or sell one.

#14 | Posted by rightisright

Of course you think that. You want to put a price tag on everything, like a good little Babbitt.

So unless you're against this, you seem to be the one with 2 differing opinions.

how so?

or is it just easier to argue with someone from the right when they sound like some biblethumping idiot?

so when someone doesn't fit that pattern, you go ahead and assign it to them anyway.

Null, what is wrong with selling your own organ on Craigslist?

Um, what's the controversy here?

"Null, what is wrong with selling your own organ on Craigslist?"

Harvesting body organs from poor people isn't a good idea, IMO. Some things don't need to be commodified.

Harvesting body organs from poor people isn't a good idea, IMO. Some things don't need to be commodified.

I am as market-driven as just about anyone, but I have to agree with this.

Maybe we have to draw a line somewhere. This practice is downright creepy IMO. I think the same analogy can be made to the creepiness of harvesting fetuses in order to utilize their stem-cells - however, the fundamental difference being that I can live without a kidney, if I so choose. A fetus has to be slaughtered in order to harvest its stem-cells.

Just sayin'

Anyhow, I wasn't trying to deflect - just adding another layer to the context of the point of contention.

how so?

#16 | Posted by eberly

I'm not sure how this affects you as I was referring to RiR. But if you are against abortion but for this, then you are a hypocrite.