This was a teaching hospital. Those are supposed to be the best.

"Two articles to forward to Democrat acquaintances (probably not your friends) who favor government-run health care"

"From the UK: 1,200 Needless Deaths: Up to 1,200 people lost their lives needlessly because Mid-Staffordshire NHS Trust [Hospital] put government targets and cost-cutting ahead of patient care..."

"From Canada: Canadian Legislator Goes to Miami for Heart Surgery:
Williams said [U.S. doctors could make] an incision under his arm that didn't require any bone breakage [unlike the procedures required in Canada].
..."I would've been criticized if I had stayed in Canada and had been perceived as jumping a line or a wait list. ... I accept that. That's public life," he said... "(But) this is not a unique phenomenon to me. This is something that happens with lots of families throughout this country, so I make no apologies for that."

"Not to worry, citizens. Democrats promise that government-run health care will work as flawlessly as their $840 billion Stimulus program."

And you think that what happened there can't happen here.

After my hysterectomy, the doctor prescribed demerol because I'm allergic to codiene and vicodin. They were stopping the shots and putting me on pills, when the nurse brought my meds the first pills I was to take rather than a shot, my mom asked the nurse what it was. The nurse said it's tylenol #3. My mom who was a nurse said, thats codiene and she's allergic, the nurse no she isn't. My mom said go read her chart. The nurse went back and read the chart which had my allergies posted in bright red letters. There was never an apology or anything. The nurse brought me my demerol pills, my mom checked them to make sure. She spoke to the doctor about it and I never saw that nurse again.

Thank heavens my mom was there.

IF you want more, I gots lots more stories like that.

At our local hospital, you don't go in there with a heartattack, you travel another 30 mins to the nearby city. Why, because you'll sit at least 30 mins in their waiting room while the nurses are gabbing in the back. We've had people die from the wait.

My late husband waited 2 hours the first time, coughing up blood. Waiting 8 hours for tests, then being told the doctor didn't see anything wrong, to be sent home. One month later he was coughing up blood, we waited 5 mins, I started pacing, at 15 I got someones attention that he was bleeding, they gave him a vomit bucket. another 15 mins they finally took him in when I showed them how much bleeding he was doing. They said they couldn't see anything wrong when suddenly my husband vomited a bucket full of blood. They immediately started procedures to have him airlifted to the other city. After surgery we found out yes there was something wrong. He had stage 4 throat cancer. He live another 5 months after that.

Folks, it still happens here, it happens everywhere.

So problems are already happening here, under the current system we have. I'm shocked. A stat I've seen in enough places and from enough different sources that I tend to believe it: More people die from hospital mistakes brought on by bad handwriting than die from cigarette smoking each year. But of course, I'm not providing a link so my offering is useless. : )

How very Gorwellian of you, Prag...

~{:^)

How is that Gorwellian (whatever that made-up word might mean, though I'll give you credit 'cause it sounds _funny_)? Because I didn't provide a link? Hey, I copped to that. If it's not entirely true, it's a large enough issue that it should not be ignored.

But regardless, the point is, the system we have is indeed flawed. To simply state "Look at what's happening in England, and we might have that, and tons would die" is absurd. If anyone wants to seriously advance that argument, they need a whole lot more evidence than "one more story." It's like Boehner's one woman who came to the US as evidence that Canada's system sucks. Methinks many participants in this argument need training in statistics and logic.

Folks, it still happens here, it happens everywhere.

Yup. This link has nothing to do with publicly funded health care vs. privately funded health care.

Miseryboy is just proving yet again he is paid WHORE posting bullshit for the oil and insurance companies.

Fork Misery and the horse that shat him out, too.

Thank god we here in America have insurance companies that raise rates over 40% because more folks can't afford to pay their rates.

Ray, was that a serious post? If so, fuck, we might have just found something to agree on.

Have a great night.

WOOOHOOO!!!

Misleading headline of the day award!!!

"Why do they call it a teaching hospital?"
"Because if we call it a learning hospital it scares the patients."