Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Friday, March 05, 2010

John Patrick Bedell, the 36-year-old California man killed in a shootout with Pentagon police yesterday, left behind angry, anti-government Internet postings airing suspicions about the 9/11 attacks. One audio manifesto Bedell posted in 2006 called the U.S. government a criminal organization that committed "the sacrifice of thousands of its citizens in an event such as the September 11th attacks, as a small cost in order to perpetuate its barbaric control."

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He tried to pick on poor Uncle Sam. I guess he's a terrorist, unless he's a patriot. lol.

Gee. What a surprise. A paranoid person who sees conspiracies everywhere flipped out. It is just a few short steps from believing the government is conspiring against America to taking armed action against the government.

Move along folks. Nothing to see here. Just another Teabagger Terrorist.

terrorist = against power

Move along folks. Nothing to see here. Just another Teabagger Terrorist.

#3 | Posted by axe

Seems to me that most of the 911ers are lefties. Are you saying the teaBAGGERS are lefties?

911ers, truthers, GW deniers and Holocaust deniers are all Fucking Lunatics. Teabaggers are Fucking Lunatics. You do the math, Snippy.

The guy was deranged whacko--hated the gov't and fortunately the guards he shot will survive.

And he is gone.

Bedell was an active Wikipedia editor too, though most of it was deleted today. Here's more info on that:

www.blogpi.net

mediaelites.com

"John Patrick Bedell, the 36-year-old California man killed in a shootout with Pentagon police yesterday, left behind angry, anti-government Internet postings airing suspicions about the 9/11 attacks."

Have we done a roll call of the resident nutjobs here yet? Anyone missing?

Google maps must have given him the wrong building...

Hating the government is one thing, but being a Linux programmer, too?

Whack jobs are coming out of the woodwork in response to the rwingnut mantra that our government is evil and our President is un-American.

I'd rather be a Truth-er, than a Lie-er.

What a load of propaganda....

So now if you seek the truth for 911, you're a terrorist.
Amerikans are the most brainwashed people on the planet.

He proved one thing: if nothing else, security is much better today.

Seems to me that most of the 911ers are lefties.

The extreme left wing and extreme right wing meet up on the other side of the circle. Once people get extreme enough, the left- vs- right metaphor isn't very useful to figure them out.

So now if you seek the truth for 911, you're a terrorist.

If you drive across the country to shoot guards at the Pentagon as a political statement, you're a terrorist.

If you drive across the country to shoot guards at the Pentagon as a political statement,

I don't think that qualfies as "terrorism." Stupidity yes; death by cop yes; but terrorism?

Rcade, aren't you special? To think the DR community has defended you on Redneck's thread as not a direct instigator of division.

What a surprise that you would promote the pre-defined propaganda talking point of both the controlled left and right.

'Truther' huh? The early stories on FoxNews stated he doubted the accounts of the official story. Wow, the horror, when in fact, According to the new New York Times/CBS News poll, only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11 and the intelligence prior to the attacks.

"Do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?

Telling the truth 16%

Hiding something 53%

Mostly lying 28%

Not sure 3%"

The 84% figure mirrors other recent polls on the same issue. A Canadian Poll put the figure at 85%. A CNN poll had the figure at 89%. Over 80% supported the stance of Charlie Sheen when he went public with his opinions on 9/11 as an inside job.

Just like was exposed on the ambush on Medina, right darlings Beck and Palin have made even stronger statements against the "official BS story". Are they "truthers", to borrow your brainless pejorative term?

Since 84% at least "have doubts", (much higher percentage than even elected Obama) this association would be like the "fake right" fishing for Obama voter status every time there is a government-related shooting. Don't even bother with another unbelievable case of a government-railer within a week propagandized tie to your political enemies. Funny how the Joe Stack propaganda suddenly disappeared after the tie to Tea Parties was debunked, eye-witnesses accounts that hazmat was in place before hand, and so many weird ties to intelligence agencies.

Even if these unbelievably "convenient" political timing of the internet postings to the propaganda prove to be true, all credibility is lost in attempting to make such associations.
(continued next)

Isn't King Paultard a truther as well?

Whack jobs are coming out of the woodwork in response to the rwingnut mantra that our government is evil and our President is un-American.

#11 | Posted by Corky

bs

The guy was a wacko at least since 2006.

Busted for pot here in CA.

The guy was a wacko at least since 2006.

Busted for pot here in CA.

Posted by MURPHY at 2010-03-05 02:08 PM

Is THAT your standard for "wacko?"

If you drive across the country to shoot guards at the Pentagon as a political statement, you're a terrorist.

----------

how about killing over 1 million iraqi civilians?

What does the corporate/government controlled news media want all of us to learn from this attack?:

1.) This is probably terrorism, not merely attempted homicide.

2.) Questioning the events of the largest terrorist attack in US history on 9/11/01 leads to violence.

3.) Both questioning the events of 911 and the illegal wars in the Mid East are a clear sign of a tendency toward violence.

4.) Questioning highly suspicious suicides of those critical of the government is a sign of a tendency toward violence.

5.) Use of the INTERNET to post thoughts critical of the government indicate a predisposition toward violence.

6.) Opposing the fake "War on Drugs" is yet another sign of a tendency toward violence.

7.) The facts don't really matter as long as a bogus association is established between 911 Truth/the War on Drugs/internet postings and hand gun violence.

8.) There is some mystical connection between: Bedell's shooting, the attack on the Austin IRS building by a pilot, the attacks at Foot Hood and an attack at a courthouse in Las Vegas.

9.) The official talking points are desperately attempting to concoct an association between 911 Truth and the Ft. Hood attacks. Do not lose sight of the force of this imaginary association between 911 Truth and radical Islam.

10.) This Pentagon attack that resulted in 2 policemen being grazed by bullets was so monumental and downright terrifying that "President Barack Obama was getting FBI updates on the Pentagon shooting through his homeland security and counterterrorism adviser, John Brennan

#17 | Posted by L_RContrarian

People can believe any fucking thing they want. That still doesn't give them reasonable cause to go to the Pentagon and shoot at guards.

You might be a terrorist if....

A million dollar cruise missile just blew up your $5 tent

You end every sentence with, "Or somebody dies"

You recently exploded on a crowded bus.

A 'pest control' company has stationed a van outside you house for a month

You asked the driving instructor to teach you how to drive but not how to park.

Busted for pot here in CA.

I would have thought that would be pretty difficult these days.

#8... now that's interesting RCADE, thanks... here's a related story:
www.csmonitor.com

Bedell appears, possibly, to also have been some sort of anti-drug warrior (i.e., against drug warriors)... he used the phrase "narco-mercantilism".

Is THAT your standard for "wacko?"

#20 | Posted by kanrei

No--lol--I hit the button too soon.

He appears to be an anarchist--hates the gov't.

Not sure why he would go to trying to kill people.

Like the wacko who flew the plane into the IRS building.

It makes no sense.

I'm a little sorry that the guards saved us from a trial. It might have made for a pretty good circus.

This guy is a loon and a freak and an idiot, but "terrorist" is not a word to be thrown around. I understand the Lone Wolf concept and there is a very good chance this guy was one, but we really should get facts before labeling people just because we want to score points against an administration. This also goes for the DC Sniper during Bush IMHO.

"A 'pest control' company has stationed a van outside you house for a month"

For some reason that's one really gave me a chuckle. Could be because I envision more than a gaggle but less than a herd of DR posters peeking through the blinds, just to make sure after reading Corky's post.

#15 | Posted by rcade at 2010-03-05 02:02 PM | Reply | Flag

If you drive across the country to shoot guards at the Pentagon as a political statement, you're a terrorist.

Really, lamebrain? Then we better go back in time and re-classify similar incidents [numerous government related shootings] since before 911 as terrorists events. Funny how terrorist wasn't narely in the vocabulary before the propaganda machines started the suggestion. What about the private plane incident near the white house? attempted terrorism.

It is almost getting to the point where sneezing in a classy restaurant could be labeled terrorism if you ruined someone's meal.

Gee. What a surprise. A paranoid person who sees conspiracies everywhere flipped out. It is just a few short steps from believing the government is conspiring against America to taking armed action against the government.
#2 | Posted by moder8 at 2010-03-05 01:28 PM

Right - nothing about the events of 9/11 or the subsequent invasions into two unrelated nations have proven anything has been "underhanded" or "deceitful" or "lies". Nothing whatsoever.:/

"Seems to me that most of the 911ers are lefties."

The extreme left wing and extreme right wing meet up on the other side of the circle. Once people get extreme enough, the left- vs- right metaphor isn't very useful to figure them out.
#14 | Posted by rcade at 2010-03-05 02:01 PM

Bullshit. Whatever you think is "extreme Left wing" obviously hasn't been at all effective at protecting themselves as the "extreme Right wing" have been. The military operate as 100% "extreme right wing", regardless political affiliation - and they use weapons for the extreme Right wing causes such as the fictional terrorist torture hunt and the religious invasions for oil. Even Greenpeace don't use weapons, but do inadvertently yet peacefully sacrifice themselves for their causes. No Right wing extremist even comes close to that form of noble morality.

So, unless you can find me some Left wingers strapped with bombs, starting wars, leading religious campaigns or committing genocide your comparison is extremely wrong, imo.

Oh yes, not terrorist, tourist.... it was a misprint.

He loaded up and drove from CA to be a tourist.

@29...

AGREED.

"Right - nothing about the events of 9/11 or the subsequent invasions into two unrelated nations "

See this is why everyone calls you people crazy. You just can't make your points in an honest and sane manner.

If you think Afgahnistan was not related to 9/11, you're a complete moron or a lunatic. And trying to have a rational discussion with either is not worth it.

Glad to see you're apparently not John Patrick Bedell though...

If he was a terrorist, what was his demand? What was his mission? His objective? What did he hope to achieve? Fear in the hearts of Pentagon cops? He was mad at the Government and committed suicide by firing at cops. IMHO, Suicide by cop is not terrorism.

Top 10 Reason You Might Be Terrorist

www.youtube.com

Jiggy on film.

The early stories on FoxNews stated he doubted the accounts of the official story.

His audio manifesto states the government committed the 9/11 attacks "to perpetuate its barbaric control." If that doesn't make him a Truther, what does?

IMHO, Suicide by cop is not terrorism.

If that's all he was doing, why did he cross the country to attack the Pentagon? There were cops in California.

So, unless you can find me some Left wingers strapped with bombs, starting wars, leading religious campaigns or committing genocide your comparison is extremely wrong, imo.

People who blow up animal research labs or commit ecoterrorist attacks are left-wingers. But my comment was simply about calling an extreme viewpoint "left" or "right." People on the extremes often agree with each other.

@33... how about Uncle Joe?

In the case of both Glenn Beck and Chris Matthews [wow, the polar opposite fake pundit political camps come to a consensus], they each made Pentagon-initiated [Cass Sunstein talking points] proposterous claims with absolutely nothing to back them. Then magically, two very similar incidents occur. The first event is nearly completely discredited. Keep your eyes peeled for this latest one to fall apart as well.

That was funny.

IMHO, Suicide by cop is not terrorism.

If that's all he was doing, why did he cross the country to attack the Pentagon? There were cops in California.


I cannot tell you as I am not in his head. I can only quote the chief of Pentagon police: Keevill said he did not know what motivated the shooting: "I have no idea what his intentions were."

Not that I think it matters, but for those who do, this guy was a registered DEMOCRAT

Funny, to me, that those who support Obama are so eager to call this terrorism and those who do not are not. It should be the other way around as this would be yet another terrorist attack on US soil under Obama's watch. This one had warnings too as the parents spoke to the cops in January that there son was crazy and they thought he had a gun.

"If that's all he was doing, why did he cross the country to attack the Pentagon? There were cops in California."

He obviously wanted to go after Pentagon personnel.

But what was the point? If he thought he was going to get the US government to change its 9/11 story by pulling a gun on a couple of security guards, then he was a terrorist. Seems unlikely but the guy was crazy.

Audio Manifesto/Internet Manifestos?

Of course the brainless political hack will assume it's all true by simple political motivation that wishes it to be true. The hack ignores any contrary evidence that the internet manifesto is inconsistent, discredited by those who knew the 'apolitical' non-Tea Partier Joe Stack, edited dozens of times and likely the most inflammatory is not even his own writing.

Funny, to me, that those who support Obama are so eager to call this terrorism and those who do not are not. It should be the other way around as this would be yet another terrorist attack on US soil under Obama's watch.

It would be silly to score points off the other side because of small-scale domestic terrorists like this guy. It's arguable that it should even be called terrorism, rather than simply political violence.

But if this guy had hit the Pentagon guardpost with a bomb instead of guns, would anyone not call him a terrorist?

If he thought he was going to get the US government to change its 9/11 story by pulling a gun on a couple of security guards, then he was a terrorist.

I will agree. However, if he, as a 9-11 Truther, wanted the most coverage for his suicide, attacking Pentagon cops is the way to go.

But if this guy had hit the Pentagon guardpost with a bomb instead of guns, would anyone not call him a terrorist?

No doubt. I think bomb usually translates to terrorist act for most of us. Mass shootings are usually the acts of lone losers seeking attention.

Patriot, Rogers, the man's a patriot. Just feeding the Tree of Liberty, don't 'cha know.

Who is calling him a "Patriot?" Strawman on line 2.

Not that I think it matters, but for those who do, this guy was a registered DEMOCRAT

#44 | Posted by Monster at 2010-03-05 02:38 PM

The only I see seeking to pin party on the guy was Axe above. Other than that retard, I think it's safe to say the rest of us just agree he was a loon and don't really care about his party affiliation.

*only one

#45 kanrei
This one had warnings too as the parents spoke to the cops in January that there son was crazy and they thought he had a gun.

Wow, if this is true, you're definitely on to something. This stinks like another protected patsy ala, the "underwear bomber"?

The same "people" who called the guy in Austin a patriot..... oh wait, no one did that, right?

Try not to get your panties twisted today, K. I wasn't talking to or about you or anyone here, just making a comment.

The extreme left wing and extreme right wing meet up on the other side of the circle.

True.

In my circle of long-haired lefties at college was an ex-Amerinazi who was always ready to storm the Bastille.

We never found out if he was FBI or just nuts.

....Teabaggers are Fucking Lunatics....

#6 | Posted by axe

Funny that's not what nancy pelosi is saying "..the good intentions of lots of people who share some of our concerns that we have about the role of special interests."

#46 | Posted by Sully at 2010-03-05 02:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

If he thought he was going to get the US government to change its 9/11 story by pulling a gun on a couple of security guards, then he was a terrorist. Seems unlikely but the guy was crazy.

This coming, from my observation at least, the DR blogger longest running focused apologetic 911 official story backer (I recall very old threads of my earliest days on the DR arguing the 911 details for many hours on end).

Interesting, Sully that you state this now that the gunman is dead (you certainly wouldn't have otherwise). Convenient inflammatory thought-criminal suggestions. It's also convenient that we could become further divided [goal accomplished] and speculate/argue about this ad nauseum since he cannot confirm or deny it.

In any regard, the statement in itself is counter-intuitive.

Try not to get your panties twisted today, K

It isn't you Corky. I am just hostile today and everything I am saying is sort of conveying it. I had a fight with AT&T first thing and it put me in a funk.

L Con,

Here from a different article:

San Benito County Sheriff Curtis Hill told the AP the parents of John Patrick Bedell filed a missing persons report and were worried about his mental stability. After reading an e-mail from their son to an acquaintance, the parents told deputies they were worried that he had purchased a gun.

Hill said that Bedell has been on the department's radar since 2003, when deputies found him walking along the side of the road. They wrote him up as a "5150" police code for crazy and took him to his parents house.

Hill said that Bedell, 36, has been at in-patient mental health institutions at least four times.


This guy was crazy, not a terrorist.

www.foxnews.com

#14 | Posted by rcade at 2010-03-05 02:01 PM

Once people get extreme enough, the left- vs- right metaphor isn't very useful to figure them out.

To transform your statement to have at least an ounce of truth:

the left- vs- right metaphor isn't very useful in any situation, ever!

Great job Kanrei :)

Best post on this 85% brainless thread.

And to top it off, he's a pothead.

With any luck, he might have forgotten where he was headed, and why, before he got to DC.

www.washingtonpost.com

Best post on this 85% brainless thread.

#63 | Posted by L_RContrarian at 2010-03-05 03:07 PM

I smell a RedNeckVille-esque melt down in your future.

[goal accomplished]

you have to let that go.

The parents reported Bedell missing on Jan. 4, one day after a Texas Highway Patrol officer stopped him for speeding in Amarillo, according to the missing person's report. Bedell told the highway patrolman he was heading for the East Coast, and the officer used Bedell's phones to call his mother, Kaye Bedell, because he seemed disheveled and out of sorts.

Kaye Bedell told the highway patrol officer in Texas that her son was fine, and the patrolman let him go with a warning. The next day, Kaye told sheriff's deputies in California that her son didn't have any reason to travel to the East Coast because he had no friends or family there and they were worried about his mental state.

The 36-year-old Bedell returned to his parent's home on January 18, telling them "not to ask any questions" about where he had been.

#62

Yes, we wouldn't want this guy to be a bad reflection on 911 conspiracists, er uh, truthers.

This guy was crazy, not a terrorist.

It's certainly looking like that.

But to open a new can of worms ... are terrorists sane?

It is looking like California cops dropped the ball BIG TIME on this one. He should not have been free it seems like as even his parents were concerned for his mental state, feared he was armed, and they already caught him heading East in January.

are terrorists sane?

To open your can even more, I think most are. The plans too effective and they usually escape (the leaders) to be following an insane plan IMHO. THey are very smart people who know exactly what they are doing and why and what the reaction should be from it.

"But to open a new can of worms ... are terrorists sane?"

If you've ever been around their handiwork it's hard to avoid concluding they're sociopaths. (And that's just for openers.)

Of course the guy was crazy. He was a registered Democrat.

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Not sure why he would go to trying to kill people.


Because that is what terrorists do.

Kill people to make a political statement.

"This coming, from my observation at least, the DR blogger longest running focused apologetic 911 official story backer (I recall very old threads of my earliest days on the DR arguing the 911 details for many hours on end)."

My position is not now nor has it every been that the official story is flawless. My position is that holes in the official story are not evidence that some wild conspiracy, for which there is no evidence at all, exists.

"Interesting, Sully that you state this now that the gunman is dead (you certainly wouldn't have otherwise). Convenient inflammatory thought-criminal suggestions. It's also convenient that we could become further divided [goal accomplished] and speculate/argue about this ad nauseum since he cannot confirm or deny it.

In any regard, the statement in itself is counter-intuitive."

I have no idea what this was supposed to mean but it is fairly obvious to me that you've got a couple of screws loose. None of us ever heard of this nutjob until after he was dead. Why would I have said anything about him before I ever heard of him? How do you find it "interesting" that I only thought to comment on his actions after I became aware of them? I find it interesting that you are apparently unaware of how sane human beings perceive time.

Also, I have no idea why you would consider what I said inflammatory. I didn't claim to know what the guy was thinking. Nor do I think it matters all that much.

#75 sully
You've got a methodology of purposefully twisting other people's words to deflect from your own unsubstantiable position. Perhaps you forgot such a thread on employed the exact same tactic in order to make the most counter-intuitive apologetic stand for the establishment regime, as is your apparent purpose in life.

www.drudge.com

You might wish to review my statement in #59, because the DR community is not easily fooled by such nonsense.

Amerikans are the most brainwashed people on the planet.

#12 | POSTED BY JEFFNDENMARK AT 2010-03-05 01:56 PM

Unlike you who fled to douchemark like the cowardly pussy you are.

^thread where you employed^

But if this guy had hit the Pentagon guardpost with a bomb instead of guns, would anyone not call him a terrorist?

----------

what if he had dropped it out of a airplane with an american flag on the side?

Well--it's pretty obvious after reading this thread why L_R con has such a bee in his bonnett.

The guy was crazy--in more ways than one.

He was a 9/11 Truther.

L_R is a 9/11 truther.

Just because someone is a 9/11 truther does not mean they will travel across the country to attack the Pentagon.

Ok?

As for calling this guy a terrorist.

He is not in the sense of the word as we have come to know since 9/11--or even with the suicide bombers in Israel.

It usually refers to islamic-terrorist. It's the ideology.

But since this a-hole had his ideology--maybe we have to have several hyphenated terrorists.

islamic-terrorist
gov't-terrorist
pentagon-terrorist
eco-terrorist
IRS-terrorist

You know--to pinpoint the problem a person has with their life.

terrorist = against power

#80 murph
Hey brainless, I didn't say those words. Yet you continue to avoid responding to actual questions raised. You must avoid the issues or the game is over for you.

So you're not in the 84% of Americans that 'doubt'? Doesn't say much for you.

www.drudge.com

You write a brainless glorification talking points Palin thread 'Greatest act of 21st century'? You avoid the feedback you get, as you must, then expect to be taken seriously when touting the same talking points here?

Is Palin a Truther? www.youtube.com
How about John McCain? uk.youtube.com
Did Beck also make statements about wanting a new investigation? Yes, while ranting about how he differs from 'Truther' Van Jones.

Oops. Your talking points have lost some of their luster.

#81 murph
You know--to pinpoint the problem a person has with their life.

So what do we call you?

TalkingPoints-Terrorist?
BeckPalin-Apologist-Terrorist?
MuslimWomenHateUsWithBreastImp
lants-Terrorist?

You're against AGW (you can't be wrong 100% of the time, though it has been occasionally a talking point of Beck's when he's not flip-flopping the other way)

GlobalWarmingDenier-
Terrorist.

Amerikans are the most brainwashed people on the planet.

#12 | POSTED BY JEFFNDENMARK AT 2010-03-05 01:56 PM

And yet the majority question the 9-11 story and the rationale of the Iraq war. And for the record, I don't believe the Bushies were involved in 9-11, but my "tuth" is that they haven't admitted how much they really knew beforehand. think they were expecting the usual hisage type highjacking and were going to use that as an excuse to blame Iraq, something they tried to do anyways.

GlobalWarmingDenier-
Terrorist.

#84 | Posted by L_RContrarian

Only when they start shooting people.

Is someone demanding independence for Northern Irelanda terrorist? No.
Is someone promoting that independence by blowing up a London shop a terrorist? Yup.

This guy was crazy, not a terrorist.

No, actually, he is a registered democrat.

Tying this guys mental illness to 911 is as valid as tying all the murderers who don't believe in the 911 conspiracy to government supporters.

The questions have not been answerred. This guys illness has nothing to do with the 911 commission saying their report was bullshit, and that they considered filing criminal charges against Pentagon officials for lying.

You are correct BB--

The guy was a serious pothead and mentally defective.

He is not tied to being a democrat any more than a truther or other rantings against the gov't.

To try and paint a brush with his mental defect to others is another form of craziness.

you would know wouldn't you bob? I mean about the mental illness?

you would know wouldn't you bob? I mean about the mental illness?

#89 | Posted by Dalton at 2010-03-05 08:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

No---I wouldn't. Care to make a point?

Waiting on you.

;-)

#83 | Posted by L_RContrarian And #84--

Are you done?

Your attempts at bullying me and others and your name calling is not helping your arguement(s).

You obviously missed the Palin thread and my posts--lol

I don't see Beck that much--but you sure seem to.

As for doubting 9/11--yeah--the friggin murderers are dead and we can't get anything from them to help people like you get to the bottom of the attacks on 9/11.

You need to calm down--have a drink and relax.

Now there is a report the killer was in a DNA test for the Pentagon...

Curiously, Bedell also proposed in 2004 that the Pentagon fund his own research on smart weapons. The 28-page proposal outlined his idea for DNA nanotechnology research that might "provide significant new capabilities for the Department of Defense and the individual warfighter.".......

www.icmag.com

The Pentagon turned him down. Obviously THAT would be the reason for attacking it...

"you would know wouldn't you bob? I mean about the mental illness?

#89 | Posted by Dalton at 2010-03-05 08:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

No---I wouldn't. Care to make a point?

Waiting on you.

;-)"

#90 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Smokestacks on the Moon? Apollo 11 didn't land on the Moon? 9/11 truther? The car antenna being the most lethal weapon known to man?

Any of this ring a bell bob?

You're certified.

It's arguable that it should even be called terrorism, rather than simply political violence.

But if this guy had hit the Pentagon guardpost with a bomb instead of guns, would anyone not call him a terrorist?

#48 | Posted by rcade

I doubt Ayers, Dohrn, & Jeff Jones would . . . . and by extension neither would their followers

perhaps Americans are arming themselves NOT against the gvt, but to defend against the weather u-ground,
the (I forgot they were black) panthers,
students 4 democratic society (aka; seiu/workers communist party),
and the (I forgot they were) black united students(aka; acorn)

Smokestacks on the Moon?

www.youtube.com

What would YOU call it?

Waiting on you

;-)

Apollo 11 didn't land on the Moon?

Here's a video showing them lying about their disatance from the Earth.

www.youtube.com

What's YOUR explanation?

Waiting on you.

;-)

9/11 truther?

How about YOU showing a video--of the plane that hit the Pentagon.

What's YOUR explanation?

Waiting on you

;-)

The car antenna being the most lethal weapon known to man?

I never said that. Your lies are not a valid point.

Any of this ring a bell bob?

Yes---it shows stupid people like yourself how to STFU when they have no response.

But maybe YOU are different.

Waiting on you.

:-)

You're certified.

Well at least I use my own name, and haven't tried to come back as another poster. I htink that's a punk thing to do. I respond to every challenge to any point I make---and don't lie about what other people have said. You've already been proven a liar about the car antenna. Let's see how you respond to the challenges I presented to you. My guess is you will punk out---like your punk name change.

Waiting on you.

;-)

#93 | Posted by gotsbeda at 2010-03-05 08:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Here Bob--

AA plane debris at the Pentagon.

www.youtube.com

You know I wish the gov't would release some photos and evidence to shut this conspriracy crapola down..

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I watched the video in #96 and do have to ask -- where's the hole the plane made when it crashed into the Pentagon?????

In that video it almost looks as though pieces of a plane -- like the alleged AA's "C" portion of the plane's logo that the guy was carrying -- had just been laid down neatly all along the side of the building yet I see no entry point where the plane had crashed into it. I saw black smoke but nothing which might have caused the black smoke. Where is the crash point?

Here Bob--

AA plane debris at the Pentagon.

www.youtube.com

I never claimed there wasn't debris found. I asked for a video of the plane hitting the Pentagon. In addition, the debris you linked to could have been from A Global Hawk painted to look like an American airline plane. An airliner is much larger than the debris ou showed. In addition, there were no bodies found at the pentagon. Here is a statement from someone who was there.

www.freedomfiles.org[1]
.Pentagon.Jamie.Mcintyre.swf

But hey---show me the video of the plane, and I'll STFU.

You know I wish the gov't would release some photos and evidence to shut this conspriracy crapola down..

So do I---ever wonder why they don't? Until they do, you shouldn't call it crapola. The crapola is that it hasn't been released. What possible reason could they have for not releasing the video? We've seen the planes hitting the Towers---why shouldn't we see the plane hitting the Pentagon?

#96 | Posted by MURPHY at 2010-03-05 09:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

"What would YOU call it?"

Moonbattery on your part, bob.

With the speed the craft was traveling, it's a shadow.

"Here's a video showing them lying about their disatance from the Earth"

Your video shows nothing of the sort. Only a certified lunatic could discern anything of the sort from it.

"How about YOU showing a video about the plane that hit the Pentagon?"

How about YOU showing a video of a missile hitting the Pentagon?

"I never said that. Your lies are not a valid point."

You've repeatedly said you'd rather have a car antenna than a gun.

So, unless you can find me some Left wingers strapped with bombs, starting wars, leading religious campaigns or committing genocide your comparison is extremely wrong, imo.

I have two words for ya.... che guevara

We can all disregard this man or we can look deeper into why this man acted out in the way he did.

John Dillinger, Bonny and Clyde, Baby Face Nelson,, Charlie Sheen (Bitch slapped and choked his wife), Machine Gun Kel.... Wait... No.... He was definitely a Republican... Chairman Mao... Ho Chi Min... Fuck Pol Pot.... Lee Harvey Oswald, Mark David Chapman, Ted Bundy Nope.. He was a republican to...

We can all disregard this man or we can look deeper into why this man acted out in the way he did

LOL

He did it because He Was Nuts!

He did it because he wasKoo Koo for Coco Puffs!!!

You've repeatedly said you'd rather have a car antenna than a gun.

#99 | Posted by gotsbeda at 2010-03-05 10:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

I've repeatedly said I would rather have a car antenna than a gun I can't get to. That that subtlety eludes you shows the same intelligence as thinking what you saw on the moon video was a shadow. The other video shows them faking the distance from the moon. As stated, your lies are not a valid point. Lying is punking out. I would be willing to bet you work on an oil rig in the Gulf.

;-)

"I've repeatedly said I would rather have a car antenna than a gun I can't get to"

That's an idiotic premise.

That's like saying you'd rather have $5.00 than $1,000,000.00 you can't get to.

In addition to being insane, you're an idiot to boot.

As far as your moonbat smokestack footage is concerned, i say it's an optical illusion and you insist it's a smokestack.

I should quit arguing the point with you, because when you argue with a crazy person, people might not be able to tell the difference.

"I would be willing to bet you work on an oil rig in the Gulf"

Just another one of your delusions.

"I would be willing to bet you work on an oil rig in the Gulf"

Just another one of your delusions.

#106 | Posted by gotsbeda at 2010-03-06 04:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

Then say it. Say you have never posted on the DR under the name of Goatman.

I bet you punk out as usual.

;-)

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PrefixTitle MR
LASTNAME,FIRSTNAME,MIDDLENAME Bedell,John,Patrick
SOURCEIDVOTER 30048
DATEOFBIRTH 5/20/1973
PLACEOFBIRTH CA
REGDATE 20051006
GENDER M
PARTY Democrat
ACTIVECODE ACTIVE
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ResAddr1,ResAddr2,ResCity,ResS
tate,ResZip 110 Georges Dr Hollister,CA
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Looks like he had more in common with Rosie O'Donnell than the Tea Party....

OH NOES! Not the smokestack and car antenna stuff again!

OH NOES! Not the smokestack and car antenna stuff again!

#110 | Posted by cbob at 2010-03-06 11:04 AM | Reply | Flag

Don't blame me. Goatman brought it up again.

His audio manifesto states the government committed the 9/11 attacks "to perpetuate its barbaric control." If that doesn't make him a Truther, what does? #39 | Posted by rcade

What? "Truthers", as they are mockingly called, may just be people who believe that the version of 9/11 given thus far is not 100% accurate, thus they are questioning that version, in the hopes of finding out any facts not yet revealed. That doesn't necessarily mean that they have drawn any conclusions, such as concluding it was an "inside job". This nutcase concluded it was an inside job. You obviously, based on your comments, have a "broad brush" view of those who don't go for the government version, labeling them all as "truthers", from those who think some things are suspicious, all the way to the paranoid schizophrenic radical.

No wonder we never found out who killed JFK. Anybody who questions government versions of such events, no matter how laughably ridiculous, such as Oswald being the lone shooter, are branded "conspiracy nuts". Power to the sheeple...

Watching Rick Sanchez on CNN try to exploit some anti-government (code word for "conservative") angle was amusing. The rest of the MSM was out there at bat too.

Ah, and now we find out that so he was a card carrying member of the democratic party. I wonder who he voted for. Probably McCain huh?

Move along. Nothing more to report on here. The MSM still hasn't reported on this.

I think its awesome that this guy who was a registered Democrat, he believed George Bush planned and executed 911....yet the leftys think hes a teabagger..it shows the mentality of the 911 truthers, and the leftys...no common sense

dang people on marijuana always shootin people.

"Pentagon Shooter & Registered Democrat Used Arabic Terms & Font In His Internet Postings"

"You won't see this reported by the state-run media. In fact, they still haven't reported that Bedell was a registered democrat."

gatewaypundit.firstthings.com

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