Wonder what the down-side is?

Wonder what the down-side is?

#1 | Posted by American1st at 2010-03-05 08:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

Each bottle of water produces 37 pounds of waste that's toxic for 800 years, and can only be processed by fundamentalist Christians who listen to Glenn Beck working at a non-union subsidiary of Blackwater.

Otherwise, it's brilliant!

Sounds like 4 mill well spent.

If America hadn't fallen fer the bad B Movie Actor's charade and elected Jimmy Carter for a second term and then acted on his call to spend money on alternative energy solution how much better off would America be today?

Be Well.

If America hadn't fallen fer the bad B Movie Actor's charade and elected Jimmy Carter for a second term and then acted on his call to spend money on alternative energy solution how much better off would America be today?

Be Well.

#3 | Posted by dethspud

The third world.

Wonder what the down-side is?
#1 | Posted by American1st

Is that a rhetorical question?

Well, Hagbard, it seems too good to be true.

Lets say it works well. How long before folks start clamoring that were depleting the worlds water supply?

If Jimmy Carter had been elected for a 2nd term, the bottle of water would now cost $1,750.00.

LOL! FF Wis.

later, blog...

"How long before folks start clamoring that were depleting the worlds water supply?"

I expect that will be a sentiment promulgated by the oil industry before it even hits the market. But maybe they'll just buy the tech and never bring it into production.

#3 | Posted by dethspud

And if only Spartacus had a Piper Cub....

#8 | Posted by wisgod

Very Very true

How long before folks start clamoring that were depleting the worlds water supply

It doesn't. Science, it's not just for heretics anymore.

how much better off would America be today?

What miss the joys of beirut, Iraq, 9-11 and kissing saudialquedia's ass?

There you go again....

The Federal Goverment would prohibit the drilling of wells.

Damn little real info on this out there. If true, this would be huge. I fear it is more hype than real technology.

Sounds like this came from the movie Chain Reaction with Morgan Freeman...where is the CIA and NSA in all of this?

If it is true, the downside might be millions of unemployed gas/coal/oil workers. But I'm sure they can eventually be absorbed into WalMarts workforce.

the only reason Reagan ever got elected was BushI & Ollie North traded missiles to Iran on the promise Iran would hold the hostages until after the election. TREASON plain and simple, unprosecuted, of course..

"Wonder what the down-side is?"

Clean fresh water is a scarce non-renewable resource globally and it is necessary to support life.

If this works on saltwater or conatminated water, the downside is much smaller.

They can remove salt form the water pretty easily.

Non-renewable? What's that stuff that falls out of the sky occasionaly? What about water treatment plants? Hell, I can distill saltwater fast enough to keep my house going at a bottle a day...

When you burn hydrogen you get the water back. In theory this means you can capture the oxygen and hydrogen created from the water, burn it and then recapture the water. All that would be needed is to make sure that the catalyst didn't need to be replenished to make this sustainable.

Also I should note that burning hydrogen gas is carbon free.

The most important thing about this is what materials and elements are needed to make such a catalyst. The water issue should be solvable.

Just more wasted stimulus money, eh?

Nice find A1.

Splitting 2H(2)0 into 2H(2) and 0(2) has been around since 1800. It is called Electrolysis. Why can't they just covert solar energy to electricity to split water and then it can use gas to power the process, thus as long as there is water there is an infinite amount of energy. The only problem is the yield of gas form the water is not much. Coupled with solar power it may prove worth while, but by itself this it not some amazing innovation.

"They can remove salt form the water pretty easily."

"Non-renewable? What's that stuff that falls out of the sky occasionaly?"

I was saying it depends on how pure the water has to be for the process to work. If it were easy to produce clean fresh water as you guys are making it out to be, there wouldn't be water shortages all over the place.

I saw Les Stroud make a piss distiller on Survival Man. He ended up with drinkable water. Nothing to worry about.

Very cool!

We live in some amazing times.

Pure water is actually a very bad conduit. The water used will have to have other elements, or the catalyst mentioned in the above article. It does not have to be potable.

Splitting 2H(2)0 into 2H(2) and 0(2) has been around since 1800. It is called Electrolysis. Why can't they just covert solar energy to electricity to split water and then it can use gas to power the process, thus as long as there is water there is an infinite amount of energy. The only problem is the yield of gas form the water is not much. Coupled with solar power it may prove worth while, but by itself this it not some amazing innovation.
#25 | Posted by NotMyRealName at 2010-03-05 02:02 PM

What you are saying is that you want to increase the gas output or the energy used to detach the bonds? Why not a co-catalyst?

Allegedly zinc or titanium oxide efficiently produce luminescence when particulates are energized into a plasma gas. Would this possibly allow for both photo-reactive process and the plasma-induced state which would perpetuate each other? I don't know what ratio is enough to produce surplus energy in this experiment.

A technological solution to global warming?

This is not going to sit well with the carbon traders - now is it?

And won't ever see the light of day because of that.

Excellent point, Bendor.

Will libs just keep running their mouths or will they actually buy this bottle of water and power their house with it? Hydrogen? Remember the Hindenberg?

HaHaHaHaHaHa!

Billions in ill-gotten gains from the carbon trading scheme...

...and you really believe they will let carbon just go away?

I want some of what your smoking. Really I do. Must be some really really good Sour Diesel (heh heh...get it? sour diesel?)

It would be a strange thing, wouldn't it?

The MMGW proponents standing in the way of a technology that could render their schemes - totally worthless?

Just watch it happen.

The theory has been in place for a while, it is the catalyst that is new. Plants use glucose, and this man seems to have found the one needed. He doesn't tell us what it is, or which formula he will use. Electricity or gas can be a bi-product depending on how you do it.

With a big enough "bottle" and enough sunlight, you could power anything. But it requires more energy to split the chemical bonds in h2o than you get by oxidizing the hydrogen. And if you're just using the sunlight to generate electricity using photovoltaic cells, using electrolosis to store the energy is a wasteful way of doing it - you're better off with a lead acid battery in most cases. Without more info, just sounds like another "100 mpg carburetor" myth.

It takes energy to burn H2. The sunlight builds up the energy. This allows the energy to be held and released when the sun sets. It is merely a way to extend the application of solar power.
Sorry I originally thought that the guy was trying to run the house on Hydrogen released form the water.

The theory has been in place for a while, it is the catalyst that is new. Plants use glucose, and this man seems to have found the one needed. He doesn't tell us what it is, or which formula he will use. Electricity or gas can be a bi-product depending on how you do it.

#37 | Posted by NotMyRealName

A combination of rhodium and ruthenium no doubt. Sorry, borrowed that from Arctic Drift by Clive Cussler.

(A book that advances the theory in favor of MMGW by the way).

No need to be sorry, that was a good book

Just watched the video. Crap commercial for grant money. That fancy house shows nothing but photovoltaic and evacuated tube solar collectors. Nothing you can't get on eBay today. No mention of a magic catalyst. And the amount of energy that you'd get from the liberated hydrogen in a bottle of water wouldn't even charge your cell phone. Just another career "scientist" working the system for his grant money.

It is not liberating hydrogen but storing sunlight energy in hydrogen bonds to be used after sunset. Basically an extension of solar energy. He should say what he is doing instead of trying to trick people.

The U.S. government funds basic research, something I most certainly support, then, when something promising is discovered, venture capitalists swoop in with funding to develop an idea, something I also support. If the promising idea takes off, the VC guys get their reward, again, something I support, but the government gets nothing. There's the problem.

Technological innovation funded by taxpayers through grants to educational institution and private companies benefit everyone along the way except the taxpayer. In theory, the benefit to the taxpayer is a market with better solutions. Not much of a return, if you ask me.

Honestly; I pray for the day a story like this true.

While this guy is simply using hydrogen as a substitute battery, I always like people doing more research into new forms of energy. I'm not an extremist, but do realize we will run out of oil one day.

Here's to hoping something great pans out. It would be nice to be completely off the grid; house, car, .. everything

#40 | Posted by BENDOR

I just finished "Black Wind". I've usually enjoyed Cussler's books, but the last few he's really gotten too cutesy with his dialog, like when the hero and heroine are heavily outnumbered - escaping from multiple machine gun carrying bad guys in a cave - but stop to make some humorous remark to each other. Happens even more frequently than others in "Black Wind".

Ever read the book Prey by Michael Crichton? Swarms of nano particles, a literal swarm of microscopic machines originally designed for the military, go rogue and start killing like swarms of killer bees.

Individual nano machines got their power from the environment - converting sun, sound, and vibration.

What if...what if instead of killing, the swarms were given a positive electrical charge and programed to fly around and around a huge grid of magnets in the ground?

We would then have a nano electrical generator.

The movie Southland Tales, where we use the ocean as a power source would be cool. Though without everyone going crazy.

Clean fresh water is a scarce non-renewable resource

#20 | Posted by Sully

WOW!!!! Where did you get your education????

You guys need to read up on the laws of Thermodynamics.

The hydrogen is just being used as a battery to store energy.

Not a bad idea, but I would be interested in seeing the feasibility on a grand scale.

We'll know it's real when Exxon buys the patent, and then later we hear nothing about it.

#52 | Posted by Spielmannsfluch at 2010-03-06 01:42 PM | Reply | Flag: can't discriminate between atomic physics, chemistry and a steam engine

Well, over forty years I've heard many such story. Let's see when the first "commercially viable" product hits the shelves.

isn't this Brown's gas? you guys never heard of Brown's gas?

Tax him at 79% on the sale.

That will encourage others to invent even more society altering solutions.

Anybody today can hookup a solar cell to a bottle of water and separate it into hydrogen and oxygen. The question is what are the economics of utilizes those gases?

Its not clear there is anything new here, except some guy got a $4 million grant.