Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

I don't know about following that part of the scripture, if they are following the whole concept of the new covenant etc, however it would make sense to take a whale out of action that was known before and probably presently to kill or maim human beings.

I think a little due diligence on the part of the part of the people in charge would have been appreciated by the people who saw the even and the family that lost out due to the event.

I would imagine that she was fearful because she was going to be stuck helplessly in a a tank with a 12,000 lb killer

I thought the Bible taught that the trainer should have just lived inside the whale for a while like Jonah.

Sounds like a fish story.

"...if they are following the whole concept of the new covenant..."

"New covenant"...what a joke.

New covenant = We can ignore any part of Book I when and if it doesn't suit our current purposes.

The whale should never have had a second chance to kill another human. That doesn't mean that it needed to be killed. But by the second offense... the owners put their profits ahead of the risk that it would kill again. Maybe, yeah, they should be executed.

Drunk_Dwarf reads crackpot religious blogs

New covenant = We can ignore any part of Book I when and if it doesn't suit our current purposes.

#7 | Posted by Dave at 2010-03-04 09:05 AM | Reply | Flag: LIKES TO COMMENT ON THINGS HE'S COMPLETELY IGNORANT OF

#9 | Posted by vernon | Flag: Believes "Think Progress" Is A Religious Blog

LIKES TO COMMENT ON THINGS HE'S COMPLETELY IGNORANT OF

That makes me just like you, vern.

Who knew we had so much in common?

Now excuse me fer a moment while I go barf.

Jebus wanted that women dead so he had the whale eat her up! It's just that simple!
Love God Warriors

Anytime you mention the bible, you can guarantee the stupid is going to come out on both sides of the isle.

"...you can guarantee the stupid is going to come out on both sides of the isle."

Yep...started with post#3.

Good call.

I would have thought these fine "Christian" folks would have more important things to do than trying to get cheap publicity at the expense of someone else's tragedy.

#7 | POSTED BY DAVE
'New covenant = We can ignore any part of Book I when and if it doesn't suit our current purposes."

We can ignore "Book 1", as you call it, any time we realize this is millenia-old Jewish tribal law, and therefore in no way applies to us.

Just a quick question: what part of KILLER whale did they not understand?

Kan, they weren't quote sure about the whale part. The Killer part they thought would definitely render a good crowd.

They planned to show Saw I - VI in succession after the close of the program.

#15 | Posted by Dave at 2010-03-04 10:40 AM | Reply | Flag: 1,738,945,003,225

I think the death can be attributed to a terminal case of stupid. I mean, after all, didn't she and the officials know this friggin' whale is DANGEROUS? Even a twelve pound dog which bites isn't given as many reprieves as this TWELVE THOUSAND pound KILLER whale. AND...they all knew it's history. Yep...death by stupid.

Heck, he was just playing. He could leap into the stands and kill hundreds of people if he wanted to.

If Tillikum was trying intentionally to harm the trainer, he could've chewed her to a paste. He was playing keep away with her, the way a big dog treats a Frisbee in his mouth.

"So, your animal kills somebody, your moral responsibility is to put that animal to death. You have no moral culpability in the death, because you didn't know the animal was going to go postal on somebody. But, the Scripture soberly warns, if one of your animals kills a second time because you didn't kill it after it claimed its first human victim, this time you die right along with your animal."

Actually this is just common sense.

I think the morons were even using this thing as a breeder.

Apparently the good DocSarvis has trouble telling the difference between an Ox and a Whale?

Oy! This is too easy!

"He never killed anyone before...ah...well.. just a couple of people who were teasing him. They deserved it."

Sea World Apologists

Regarding the proposal that Tilikum sold have been stoned and his owners executed, _____

Everybody must get stoned.

Drunk_Dwarf reads crackpot religious blogs

Does he? If so, maybe he is getting to know the enemy.

Actually this is just common sense.

Common sense to put an animal's owner to death because the animal killed somebody?

"Common sense to put an animal's owner to death because the animal killed somebody?"

I could be wrong, but I believe that Sully was being facetious.

"Common sense to put an animal's owner to death because the animal killed somebody?"

Common sense that if your animal kills more than once you are responsible the 2nd time because you should have taken whatever steps necessary to ensure it doesn't happen again. You know, the old "fool me once..." expression (the real one not the Bush version)....

But it probably wouldn't be too hard to convince me that if you allow your animal to kill two people you deserve to die.

So, Sea World should be put to death?

I'm assuming that worker's comp will preclude a big ass tort Judgment against it, so I think it'll live on. It is hard to imagine, though, how they think it was ok to keep this killer whale around in captivity after it has already displayed behavior leading to deaths. Seems like they should've know something like this was gonna happen again.

An owner's Pitbull terrier gets lose and mauls a small child.

1) The dog is impounded and euthanized.

2) The owner is warned to keep his dog secured, but owner does not comply. The dog again gets out and mauls another neighbor. The dog is impounded and destroyed.

Situation #1 is alright by me. Do it!

Situation #2 is also alright by me, but also bring up manslaughter charges on owner.

So what's the problem with ancient Israel's civil code? Doesn't seem all that different...unless of course you're a self righteous pat-yourself-on-the-back Lib!

#33 I think that's about right. That's probably what would happen.

Doc, once again one needs to ask, where is your intellectual integrity? On the "right wing watch" website link from this story that details the AFA with dozens of bullet points of "concern" over the organization, no where is Bryan Fisher mentioned. Who is Bryan Fisher? Apparently he is simply a blogger who has standing with the organization (perhaps a member?). But your brainless Soros think tank could care less about truth, simply attributing this view to the whole organization. An equally brainless fake right pundit could just as easily find Obama-ite members of any pro-Obama organization who blog posting are of great concern.

Doc, in his faithful blind servitude to the fake left, is proud to post every inflammatory anti-religious or anti-GOP article. Some equally brainless Soros apologists and atheists froth over their opportunity to jump on the bandwagon: "religious crackpots". Keep it up. Each brainless one of you have approximately zero credibility and dropping fast.

#23 | POSTED BY RCADE

That does seem to be the case.
She'd been training orcas for years.

I think it's a Seigfreid and Roy kind of incident.
Tragic, and unexpected to an extent, but it happens.

There is some question regarding the whale's prior behavior, though, as to whether or not it was "wise" to continue using this particular whale.

Apparently the good DocSarvis has trouble telling the difference between an Ox and a Whale?
Oy! This is too easy!
#25 | Posted by Sabbatai

Apparently Rebbi Sabbatai has trouble telling the difference between what I wrote and what's in the story? Maybe next time you should read the story before opening your yap, just so you wouldn't make yourself look like a klutz.
Oy! This is too easy!

Pit Bull != Orca

#35 | Posted by L_RContrarian | Flag: Repeat Horse's Ass Award

If one were to look at the general principle honestly, it is used in some scenarios in current law. For example, in many locales, a pit but who mauls a human to death is put to death. Not because the Old Testament ceremonial laws of the day say so. It is because it makes practical sense and is a just resolution.

Of course fake political pundits could care less about the actual truth.

Who is Bryan Fisher?
#35 | Posted by L_RContrarian

You've heard of Google, yes?

"If one were to look at the general principle honestly, it is used in some scenarios in current law. For example, in many locales, a pit but who mauls a human to death is put to death."

Is the animal's owner also put to death?

GONG! for Looneytarian.

#39 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2010-03-04 01:06 PM | Reply | Flag: Aren't you special!

#42 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2010-03-04 01:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hello, brainless? Even the OT principle doesn't state that. You could educate yourself, but what fun what that be?

Of course, you must distort the truth so your brainless buddies can jump on your bandwagon.

THAT'S AD HOMINEM, YOU MORON.

#41 doc

He's the Executive Director of the AFA's Idaho operation (www.idahovaluesalliance.com).

Please, try harder next time. You make it much too easy, Looneytarian.

#41 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2010-03-04 01:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hello, brainless? Nowhere does it state AFA on the bio on your linked site. Why doesn't one of your think tank morons create a page that Google could absolutely link someone with the name of 'Bryan Fisher' to 'AFA' [kinda like sudden FaceBook pages popped up about Joe Stack and Tea Parties]?

Do continue your babbling witch hunt nonsense though. Your comedy show is humorous. Keep up brainless attack on me as well, it's awesome!

Anytime you play, tease, or even just live with a predator of any kind you will, sooner or later, get bitten, scratched, etc. It's a simple fact. Animals of any kind can be unpredictable no matter how much you know about the species or even that individual. Who hasn't been play-bitten, nipped, or scratched by their beloved pet dog or cat? Now take that little nip or scratch and multiply it by a factor that equals a 12,000lb animal and this is what happens. The cristian storybook has nothing to do with anything, its simply a fact of life when you put yourself in those situations. Its kinda surprising and possibly a testament to how good those handlers really are that it doesn't happen a lot more often.

#45 prey

Sorry to disappoint. If he could grow a brain, one may then have to address an intelligent reply.

Just a quick question: what part of KILLER whale did they not understand?

#18 | Posted by kanrei at 2010-03-04 11:13 AM |

I live up here in the Pacific Northwest. They are NOT called killer whales. They are called Orcas. The Native Americans up here regard them as a spiritual and sacred animal. We have 2 or 3 resident pods in Puget Sound, every couple of springs we get to see a newborn baby Orca swimming with his Mom and her pod.

These whales are actually gentle and you can kayak right amongst them. Although they don't allow it because they don't want the Orcas to become too used to humans.

This is the third person killed by this whale.

They ought to rename the whale 'Grim'....as in Grim Reaper.

As for the AFA, they can go fuck themselves.

The whale was not being malicious! He is the largest orca in captivity and the most successful stud, having sired 13 offspring, 10 of which are alive. He is even trained to provide sperm for artificial insemination (though what that entails I don't want to know) and I can't imagine it was quick or easy to train him for that. He is a VIW and a celebrity who will stimulate millions of people to want to see him. So what if he killed two trainers accidentally (the idiot trespasser does not count). If a winning racehorse kicked somebody and they died all people would say is that person was stupid to walk behind the horse.

This is non-Christian absurdism.

If these so-called Christians knew anything about their self-described religious beliefs, they would know that to place oneself under any part of the old Law is to make ones self liable to the whole Law.

One only hope that these modern day Pharisees use stone tools for circumcision.... or as Paul expressly hoped, that they went ahead and cut the whole thing off.

#50 commonsense?

#35 | Posted by L_RContrarian at 2010-03-04 01:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

An equally brainless fake right pundit could just as easily find Obama-ite members of any pro-Obama organization who blog posting are of great concern.

Since the explosion of blogging, how many dozens of times have you encountered a lone blogger making statements that aren't attributable to the organization's values? Did a director/officer/staff post a story that was expressly defined as AFA's viewpoint on the topic? Take a step back from politically motivated opportunism.

Of course, you must distort the truth so your brainless buddies can jump on your bandwagon.

LR, you wouldn't know the "truth" if it took a shit in your mouth while you were sleeping.

#53 | Posted by L_RContrarian at 2010-03-04 01:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

#54 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2010-03-04 01:51 PM | Reply | Flag: Keep Flapping Away!

"I live up here in the Pacific Northwest. They are NOT called killer whales. They are called Orcas. The Native Americans up here regard them as a spiritual and sacred animal. We have 2 or 3 resident pods in Puget Sound, every couple of springs we get to see a newborn baby Orca swimming with his Mom and her pod.

These whales are actually gentle and you can kayak right amongst them. Although they don't allow it because they don't want the Orcas to become too used to humans."

They are may be gentle at times but they are still large predators who kill violently. I wouldn't say kayaking among them is "Grizzly Man" stupid but if a kayaker were done in by the whales it shouldn't be a shock.

As far as getting too used to humans - There was a story about whalers who built up a symbiotic relationship with a killer whale pod. The orcas would herd larger whales and scare them to the surface and the whalers would kill the large whale and feed the tongue to the orcas. If a whaler fell out of a longboat, the orcas would help him. The orcas would even swim into the shallows and make noise to alert the whalers when the pod found a new whale. Then one day one of the orcas was beached and some dickhead killed it for its teeth. Things went downhill from there. I think some captain refused to turn over the tongue to orcas once too. I wish I could remember where this was because it was a cool story and I can't look it up now.

You want to get the whale stoned? Fine. You want to get the owners stoned? Fine. All I'm saying is share with the rest of us.

Flag: LIKES TO COMMENT ON THINGS HE'S COMPLETELY IGNORANT OF

#10 | Posted by vernon

From the $30 a barrel for oil guy!

Or maybe that was whale oil....

Sully, naturally while gentle, they are still unpredictable wild animals.
Actually they're not even really whales, they're closer to the Dolphin branch.

I've heard those same stories from the Native Americans up here.

Here's a scary thought, an Orca with the aggressiveness of a Great White shark.......

but I think we can all agree that AFA et al are ignorant scrotal sacs.

#5 Danni> I thought the Bible taught that the trainer should have just lived inside the whale for a while like Jonah.

You messed up when you got to the "I thought" part.

There is some question regarding the whale's prior behavior, though, as to whether or not it was "wise" to continue using this particular whale.

It was foolhardy for the trainer to get into the water with Tillikum. That was against SeaWorld policy, reportedly. She knew the animal better than just about anybody, though. Her relatives say she wouldn't want the animal killed because of this incident.

"Here's a scary thought, an Orca with the aggressiveness of a Great White shark......."

If I were in the water and I saw either, I'd shit myself.

#52 Corky> If these so-called Christians knew anything about their self-described religious beliefs, they would know that to place oneself under any part of the old Law is to make ones self liable to the whole Law.

We see this frequently in the forums: somebody decides to take a commandment/law from the Old Testament as part of the Mosaic Law and teleports it to todays' Christians. Might as well use some laws from Cromwell's time for today. Thanks for pointing out the fatal flaw...

#52 Corky> If these so-called Christians knew anything about their self-described religious beliefs, they would know that to place oneself under any part of the old Law is to make ones self liable to the whole Law.

We see this frequently in the forums: somebody decides to take a commandment/law from the Old Testament as part of the Mosaic Law and teleports it to todays' Christians. Might as well use some laws from Cromwell's time for today. Thanks for pointing out the fatal flaw...

#65 | Posted by AKat

Just a reminder folks, it was not a Christian who tried forcing this specious biblical application upon the Exodus text. You are fighting against an invention that purports to be Christian. Probably doesn't matter, however. It's fun to shadow box, no?

Hello, brainless? Even the OT principle doesn't state that. You could educate yourself, but what fun what that be?
#44 | Posted by L_RContrarian

It doesn't say the death-dealing critter's owner gets zapped? Really?

But, the Scripture soberly warns, if one of your animals kills a second time because you didn't kill it after it claimed its first human victim, this time you die right along with your animal. To use the example from Exodus, if your ox kills a second time, "the ox shall be stoned, and its owner also shall be put to death." (Exodus 21:29)

You're really not terribly good at this, are you Looneytarian?

He's the Executive Director of the AFA's Idaho operation (www.idahovaluesalliance.com).
Please, try harder next time. You make it much too easy, Looneytarian.
#41 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2010-03-04 01:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hello, brainless? Nowhere does it state AFA on the bio on your linked site.
#46 | Posted by L_RContrarian

"Here's a scary thought, an Orca with the aggressiveness of a Great White shark......."

If I were in the water and I saw either, I'd shit myself.

#64 | Posted by sully at 2010-03-04 02:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

This was posted last week I believe.

Great White versus Orca - no contest.

I hope this helps you as you work through some of your mental processsing problems.

The outlook is pretty grim for LR... he can't undo the damage caused his mother's attempts to abort him in the heady days before Roe v Wade. A bottle of scotch a day is none too kind on the developing nervous system.

You do realize that since you consider yourself so much smarter than me you could've done all this yourself,

#68 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Ahem, "so much smarter than I."

Just a heads up!

According to a consultant to Sea World, when the trainer's pony tail went into the water, the whale thought it was a toy. The Bible is totally irrelevant.

Ahhh, the daily anti-Christian bigotry screed at the Retort. When the Dems lose the House of Representatives remember all those midwestern and southern Bible Belt voters the anti-religious kooks alienated.

remember all those midwestern and southern Bible Belt voters the anti-religious kooks alienated

Why? Those walking jokes of human beings will be just as worthless in the future as they are today.

Which is why they have instituted a new policy that all trainers hair must be short or tied up.

Ahhh, the daily anti-Christian bigotry screed at the Retort. When the Dems lose the House of Representatives remember all those midwestern and southern Bible Belt voters the anti-religious kooks alienated.

#73 | Posted by Diablo at 2010-03-04 03:23 PM | Reply | Flag: Forgot To Take His Meds This Morning

"According to a consultant to Sea World, when the trainer's pony tail went into the water, the whale thought it was a toy. The Bible is totally irrelevant."

First of all, anyone who claims to know what the whale was thinking is obviously a liar. I wish I could make up shit for a living and still sleep at night. I'd be some kind psychic/Dr. Doolittle/Sixth Sense type of character too.

Secondly, even if that were true - if the whale were killed/release/otherwise permanantly segregated from people after the 1st death, the trainer would be alive. So the Bible still has a point.

Bill Maher said she deserved to die.

#71 | Posted by Sabbatai | Flag: Still Aching From Earlier Kick In Ass

There's a reason it's called the "old testament".

If your culture was facing extermination and slavery, your rules for survival might be a little on the draconian side, too. But just how forgiving are we when a known-vicious animal attacks someone? All the force of the law is thrown down on the owner. The only difference is the degree of punishment now.

#73 | POSTED BY DIABLO
"Ahhh, the daily anti-Christian bigotry screed at the Retort."

Not quite.

It's actually an anti-(Christian bigotry) screed.

Railing against Ted Haggard, for example, isn't anti-Christian, it's anti-Ted Haggard.

I recall many railing against Rev. Wright, and justifiably so.
That wasn't an anti-Christian screed, was it? That was anti-Wright.

There are certain kinds of stupidity that transcend religious partisanship, and thinking people, yourself included, are obliged to point it out and ridicule it for what it is.

Ahem, "so much smarter than I."

Just a heads up!

#71 | Posted by Sabbatai at 2010-03-04 03:19 PM | Reply | Flag: Yes, we all are. What (besides the top of your head) is your point?

We had 8 years of rule by biblical guidance. The end result was one fucked up country.

We don't want to do that again, do we? At least not before our famous short memory and attention span has its way but we should get at least one more presidential election cycle before that happens. Maybe two or three if the GOP continues its death march.

why does DRUDGE RETORT feel like these stories (those of way far right fundamentalist nut-cases -- just like the recent story of "you make men want to sin when you wear that" preached by another bunch of over-the-toppers) are actually news-worthy? nobody cares! it's like those who maintain the site have something to prove against far-right bible beaters. CHILL, DRUDGE RETORT! the loonies aren't gonna disappear, and no one on this web-site cares about them anyway

RuePaul,

Are you fucking nuts? We LOVE stories like this here on DR. Can't get enough of them.

Making fun of you flaming fucktards is what we do here!!! Is there any other reason to come to DR?

I bet she got killed because she traded her Bible for porn.

It's time to release this Orca ....

into Pat Robertson's swimming pool

Ahhh, the daily anti-Christian bigotry screed at the Retort.

I think the Drudge libs treat all religions with the same ridicule. It's just that there are so many xian idiots as compared to muslim or hebrew or whatever idiots in the U.S.

Feel free to post non-xian idiot activities so we can laugh at them, too.

Rcade-

Time to let this go.

It was just a fluke.

The orca knew she was a sinner.

The orca knew we are all sinners. Debauchery, imbibing, lusting. Ready to feel the flames of hell licking our skin.

So the orca acted. Like Gabriel slaying the serpent Lucifer, he took her down into the cold briny depths.

All for our sins.

I can imagine animal rights activists walking around sea world, if this orca gets removed, with fliers that say "You make me want to drown and kill you", and all the "animals are people too" crowd will cheer and parade.

Well, I dont recall the Bible saying anything about staying away from Killer Whales, but if it did, then I guess they'd be right!

Orcas

Orcastration

#14 "Anytime you mention the bible, you can guarateee the stupid is going to come out on both sides of the isle." EXREDEMPTION

That's why we have the bible.