The Repubs run a very close second to the Demos when it comes to fiscal irresponsibility. Prior to G.W.'s two terms I would have said the distance between the two was at least noticeable, but not any more.

Unless the Repubs really mess up, and they are certainly capable of doing just that, they should relieve the Demos of some House and Senate seats this November. Beyond that prediction, I have little trust in their ability to function in a fiscally responsible manner though I would love to be surprised. We desperately need people in office that will work hard to cut federal spending and attack the deficit before it crushes more citizens under the increasing weight.

Wouldn't it be great to vote for somebody that took a stand against big government spending and 'business as usual' and actually meant it? Except for Ron Paul, those types are practically impossible to find.

Hmmm... A GOPer puts forth a plan, but the plan "is far too serious for today's Republicans". Yet even knowing that most politicos are only paying you lip service to get elected, you so-called conservatives will put them back in power anyway, as if you expect some other outcome. Isn't that someone's definition of insanity? That Tea Party should be looking pretty good to you pubbies.

"What Republicans need is to push the message that they can be trusted as responsible governors."

Along with amnesiacs.

It probably boils down to the word "responsibility."

"Why Do Republicans Hate Fiscal Responsibility?"

Republicans love fiscal responsibility. You confuse Republican with "Politician". Both Democrat and Republican "Politicians" hate fiscal responsibility. Nice try though.

So the Republicans would be exercising fiscal resonsibility if the Republican politicians didn't get in the way?

Like I said, it boils down to that word "responsibility."

They love Reagan A LA they hate fiscal responsibility. Simple really.

Here is your problem:

Ryan's Roadmap for America's Future would zero out the deficit, balance the budget by 2063

Politicians live in the now. This is a fantastic idea but it won't happen because changes now may be unpopular, and all the politicians will be retired or dead by 2063 (God willing).

Rep. Paul Ryan's detailed Roadmap.

Get back to us when either Saint Paul or Saint Ron refuse pork or stimulus spending in their district. Until then, they are just typicocritical Republicans. Dubya said he would eliminate the national debt so fast it would scare economists and we all know how well that worked out. Republicans only hate deficit spending when its not them doing it.

Please. I wish the US would adopt the Ryan plan. The next day, the libbies would be taking to the streets, demanding the gravy train never end.

Libs are funny. They pretend that they would support a plan like Ryan's, just like they have so many nice things to say about Barry Goldwater. Fact is, were it true, AuH2O would have been president.

But no.

Seems it's easier to blame the no-longer-in-control Republicans for not wanting to fix the debt and deficit than to blame the Democrats that are actually spending all the money. This thread is nothing more than a deflection away from the out of control spending hogs running Congress and the Presidency. Look in the mirror before bitching about other people.

Seems it's easier to blame the no-longer-in-control Republicans for not wanting to fix the debt and deficit than to blame the Democrats that are actually spending all the money.

Our deficits are to pay for unfunded (and unscored by the CBO) legislation the GOP enacted when they had total power and the money borrowed to pay for them.

Is that so hard for a Republican to understand?

$700 B - debt service
$250 B - Bush income tax cuts
$150 B - Medicare Part D
$150 B - Capitol Gains tax cuts

+

2 Wars
Recession caused lower tax revenues

There's your deficit ....

That, plus all the extra spending. Just because Bush was a disaster on spending doesn't give Obama license to be.

Except in your eyes, that is.

Fiscal Responsibility - If the Republicans hate it, the democrats DO NOT understand it - PAYGO - what a (already proven) JOKE!

Hmm. Here I remember the Newt class of '94 wanting a Constitutional Amendment that accomplished exactly that - PayGo

Democrats embrace fiscal responsibilty. Just look at Obama's Pay-Go promise. Oh shit. He broke it 2 weeks after he made it.

#12 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

While you're reasoning is a bit off, it's not too far off. Sort of like me telling my wife the new boat is in the budget, it's the kid's new shoes and dental bills that are causing the deficit spending.

But the reality is is that the Republicans haven't been in charge for years, now. Obama voted for every spending bill that came his way while he was a Senator. The Democratic Congress continues all the Bush bad habits, and then doubles down. It's not Bush's government any more. It's time to stop worrying about what Republicans would do if they were in charge. They aren't. This is a thread, by a lib, that ridicules republicans for their hatred of fiscal responsibility. Logic would then say that it must be the liberals that are pushing for fiscal responsibility. Are they? It would be the height of arrogance to piss and moan about Republicans if Democrats were doing the same or worse.

Good post Spoke.

What is wrong with pay as you go?

Here's the problem, the Dems got to watch Repubs waste our tax dollars for all those years through tax cuts and wars, they were handed the bill and are pissed that they didn't get to waste revenues while they were running the show. Thus they say, "well it isn't our deficit so we are going to spend in ways we feel we could have had the repubs not handed us this mess." Instead of manning up and making the tough decisions we just continue down our perilous road. Repubs will take over the legislature in 2010 and it will continue.

What is wrong with pay as you go?

Nothing if you actually follow through with it.

It's not Bush's government any more. It's time to stop worrying about what Republicans would do if they were in charge. They aren't.

And this actual fiscal conservative would rather they never be again. Last time they said what they'd do and left us in a heap.

What's that Bush said? "Fool me .. won't get fooled again"

Instead of manning up and making the tough decisions we just continue down our perilous road. Repubs will take over the legislature in 2010 and it will continue.

#20 | Posted by taxman

And I need to go on diet...and right after I eat this pizza I will.

Yup. I does make sense except if I don't eat this pizza prolly nothing bad will happen to me. So shall we just save those who don't need saving.. like the bankers...and let the rest sink or swim?

This is a thread, by a lib, that ridicules republicans for their hatred of fiscal responsibility. Logic would then say that it must be the liberals that are pushing for fiscal responsibility. Are they?

I think you need to check into how many Democrats voted for PAYGO and how many Republicans voted for PAYGO.

It is just as hard for Dems to tighten the belt as it is for Republicans. But at least the Dems did something about it except whine.

They passed a law. Again. It worked once it could work again.

Now.. if they could only follow it it again.

Repubs will take over the legislature in 2010 and it will continue.

#20 | Posted by taxman

That was the point.

sorry to put it this way but what a stupid..STUPID thread to have on in the face of the goddamn democrats PROVING beyond a doubt that the deficit is the LAST thing they give a fuck about

it had better not cotinue or there will be some REALLY strange bedfellows here on the retort...

But the reality is is that the Republicans haven't been in charge for years, now.

A little over a year, actually. We're on the first Dem budget (FY 2010) as of last October.

But the reality is is that the Republicans haven't been in charge for years, now. -
A little over a year, actually. We're on the first Dem budget (FY 2010) as of last October.

In charge of Congress since 2006, however, where the bills actually originate. Bush was complicit with much of the spending, and Congress was complicit with Bush in continuing spending policies.

Jeez, all the pansy-assed lefties on this site bitching about repub spending... Don't see you guys taking to the street, throwing out your leaders when they spend too much. No protest to cut spending, no riots against waste in gov't... no vietnam style protest demanding an end to out of control gov't spending. Just a lot of nothing but whine and bitch.

While the repubs in congress and the WH have been HORRIBLE on spending, a large number of disgruntled repubs are pushing for responsibility. What do we get from the dems? "Lets start a new entitlement program, since the ones that we have are SO DAMN EFFICIENT." And lets see how much more we can do, from cash for so-called clunkers and other thousands of gov't programs designed to spend borrowed monies that generations yet unborn will be obligated to pay back. That is the response of the dems. Take a horrible situation, make it worse, all the while blaming the repubs. You guys are sad and pathetic.

I have not heard 1 (repeat NOT ONE) fuckin democrat talk about cutting anything OTHER THAN GUTTING THE MILITARY. Oh, well, that and killing NASA. None even have the balls to talk about ending the war on drugs (using the argument of the cost in fighting a "war" that is lost). Why? They want the POWER of gov't control. Doesn't matter who gets trampled, as long as they get more power.

How about a real cut in SS? Medicaid or medicare cuts? You guys really don't want to cut anything. You just want to continue to bitch about repubs and rape the future to buy more votes. Its worked for your party for 40 years, and as long as you can keep enough people poor and stupid, it may work for the next 40. At least the repubs try and sell hope that their constituents might someday be one of the rich.

I hope hell has an extra warm section for politicians of all stripes that keep this idiocy going. And maybe a luke-warm section for those fools that believe them.

As a final thought... its time for the dems to put up or shut up. If you think your party can get us out of debt faster than the 2063... put your ideas out and let the voters decide.

PayGo, freezing non-security discretionary spending, freezing government salaries, creation of a Deficit Commission (despite GOP politicians who were for it being against it once Obama was on board). None of which were done when Bush was President.

Are you sure you're a 'libertarian'? Or just another ashamed Bush voter?

it had better not cotinue or there will be some REALLY strange bedfellows here on the retort...

#26 | Posted by afkabl2

I seems to me that you have already voted for the same advertisement repeatedly, with the same failed results. What significant part of their agenda have the Republicans actually lived up to in the last 30 years? They really don't seem very interested in implementing Ryan's plan either.

What do pubbie politicos actually do besides mislead, obstruct, borrow, spend and start useless wars?

But, you'll vote for it one more time! Surely this time they'll get it right!

PayGo,

Paygo was part of the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990 (signed by GHWB)... who then broke his no new taxes pledge.

freezing non-security discretionary spending,

Freeze at the current inflated level? Freeze at the level before Obama took over? Free with the automatic increase that happens every year? How about a 10% reduction every year for each federal agency / department until we get to a balanced budget? And I am talking HARD cuts... not cuts in the rate of inflation.

freezing government salaries, I can agree with that, as long as we don't give people new titles or other such tricks to get around it. You were a manager lvl 2... but now you are a manager level 2.1 -- this promotion gives you an extra 25% kind of thing.

creation of a Deficit Commission (despite GOP politicians who were for it being against it once Obama was on board).

Depends on how they want to balance the budget... doesn't it? If the ideas are where can we cut spending, then I am all for it. If the plans are all how can we fuck more people out of the money they earn... then I am not all for it. Under this admin... which is more likely to be proposed? Actual cuts or increased taxes?

None of which were done when Bush was President. True, the repubs in office the last 8 years were TERRIBLE on spending. Terrible on expanding gov't, and terrible on grabbing power. Unfortunately, the current admin is damn well determined to double or triple the nightmare. And the dems that squealed like pigs with their nuts in a vice when Bush pushed the patriot act quietly roll over and bite their pillows when it is the Obama admin that is trying to ass-fuck our liberties.

Are you sure you're a 'libertarian'? Or just another ashamed Bush voter?

#30 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Libertarian. Lots of places I disagree with repubs. For example... call the war on drugs a war that has been lost, allow people to do whatever they want with their own bodies [as long as it doesn't impact others]... and be done with it. Remove any special privileges for being married, do not recognize marriage as conveying any federal rights that single people do not have. [this would also end the stupid arguments on gay marriage -- it wouldn't be a federal issue]. Scrap the tax system and replace it with a national sales tax, collected by the states and forwarded to the treasury (thus eliminating the need for the IRS).

What significant part of their agenda have the Republicans actually lived up to in the last 30 years? They really don't seem very interested in implementing Ryan's plan either.

#31 | Posted by Whatsleft

Almost none, which is why I left the republican party. They were far too close to the dems / socialist.

Neither party are particularly fiscally responsible.

That noted the Dems have a far better track record on the issue than the GOPiggies who continually talk the talk on the issue before walking back to the trough.

Be Well.

AmericanUnity wants civil debate, but refuses to address the current administration, pay-go or anything else. All Father Time wants to do is post about Bush or brag about personal elaborate stories about himself. And he wonders why I think he's an ass?

Most of the Federal Government was created by a Democratic President with the Dems controlling Congress. During peace time non defense spending is like 80 plus % of the Federal budget. The only attempt to reform that 80% happened after the Republicans took both houses (wealfare reform), and the Democrats did everything possible to try and stop it. Now we have a Democratic President and both house controlled by the Dems, and they are trying to expand the social side of the federal government even more.

So this article blames Republicans. PRICELESS.

"The Repubs run a very close second to the Demos when it comes to fiscal irresponsibility."

Laughable after two tax cuts during war time.

I pray the rethugs institute Ryan's plan. Cutting aid to seniors will kill your party. Rightisamoron should know this.

#1 Akat

Gary Johnson

The Ron Paul of 2012.

dan, federal income did increase during the Bush administration but it was only 1/2 of the increase in expendutures.

You never complain about the huge increases in entitlements, only the cost of war.

When I go through the constitution, I do see that the government is responsible for a military and the post office, along with postal roads but I don't see any entitlement programs called out. Would you care to explain that? Another thing I noticed was the army was to be a 2 year deal.

No more fucking bailouts.

No more policing the world. Use the military only for defense, which means close all foriegn military bases except the Navy and their fueling stations. We need hundreds of thousands of troops in Germany, Japan and Korea like we a hole in the head. Recognize that Iraq and Afghanistan are another failure, like Vietnam. Bring them all home.

Prosecute, disgorge and jail fraudsters.

Reinstate laws successful in curtailing the excesses of finance.

Just because Bush was a disaster on spending doesn't give Obama license to be.

It does give us a license to laugh at you hypocrites who never said a bad word about Bush's spending for 8 years suddenly getting deficit religion. That and knowing if McLost was President and spending like mad, you'd all be silent about that.

What significant part of their agenda have the Republicans actually lived up to in the last 30 years?

and once again....someone completely ignores the republican congress of 1994...
I guess it was all clinton's doing..that welfare reform and the economy that dems crow about endlessly here 24/7 ?
hogwash!

and its always fun reading libs and dems bitching about deficits of bush as obama piles on to the deficit pile like a dog in heat...

and its also fun to read lefters tell us that noone of us on the right even hinted at bush spending like a...like a...uh..er...a goddamn democrat...

more HOGWASH

(hogwash=bullshit)...see..its a 'kinder, gentler me)

Suderman, Suderman, does wotever a Suder can!

/Got nothing.

Be Well.

/As it was in the beginning, the tater o' doom is take his blog-leave now.
//Exiting the democratically resolute Drudge Retort
stage left.

"more HOGWASH"

It really doesn't matter what you claim you might have said, what matters is that you voted for him twice.

That noted the Dems have a far better track record on the issue than the GOPiggies

#33 | Posted by dethspud

I guess you have data that backs that up and not just the smoke coming out of your ass. Please keep in mind just exactly where spending is authorized in the US constitution, if you even have a copy of it up there in canada.

good point young lady

and GOOD for you...of course I did..who in thier right mind could have possibly voted for the french looking john kerry who was in NAM you know

OH I guess you did,...lol

AND let me prove the claim

THAT DAMN BUSH spent money like he was a goddamn democrat..

THERE...........

of course the left ALWAYS ignores a few things..like the GOP CONGRESS of 94 and the DEFICIT of obama.

i believe in limited government...

LET'S GO TO WAR!!!

Yes, Bush spent too much money. Obama is currently spending too much money.

The Democrats insist that the Republican party is the party of "no ideas." Yet, in the past 2 days, Obama took specific GOP-offered suggestions on Health Care AND Rep. Ryan offered a roadmap to deal with the national debt.

So what's the Democrat's plan for dealing with the debt? Other than a bipartisan commission that will cost millions and reach no conclusions?

"So what's the Democrat's plan for dealing with the debt?"

First let the Bush tax cuts expire.
Get out of Iraq.

"So what's the Democrat's plan for dealing with the debt?"

First let the Bush tax cuts expire.
Get out of Iraq.

"So what's the Democrat's plan for dealing with the debt?"

First let the Bush tax cuts expire.
Get out of Iraq.

2063?

2080?

This will be a tough sell to many as most Americans don't think about next week, let alone 70 years from now.

2063?
2080?
This will be a tough sell to many as most Americans don't think about next week, let alone 70 years from now.

And if the plan was more severe in order to get things done quicker, you'd be bitching about how Americans aren't ready to acclimate to such drastic changes.

Either way, most people like you are against fiscal responsibility in this country no matter how quickly or slowly it comes. You'll always have a reason not to make meaningful cuts to the programs that are bankrupting this country.

What a crazy scenario this is.

The Repubs sat down to a fully dressed Thanksgiving table and proceeded to gorge themselves till they possible couldn't eat another bite.

The Dems then showed up for dinner, but the table was empty, with the exception of a few well gnawed bones.

When the Dems asked what they were supposed to eat, the Repubs bravely decided that now was a good time for everyone to go on a diet.

What a crock these guys are selling.

First let the Bush tax cuts expire.
Get out of Iraq.

#53 | Posted by danni

And elect a new Leader in 2012.

Exhibit one is Ron Paul. He consistently applied alleged Republican economic ideas to his votes in Congress but the rest of his party.......

ron paul is just as bought.

First let the Bush tax cuts expire.
Get out of Iraq.

#51 | Posted by danni at 2010-03-04 12:52 PM

the goddamn democrats PROVING beyond a doubt that the deficit is the LAST thing they give a fuck about

#25 | Posted by afkabl2

"Reagan proved that deficits don't matter"

- Dick Cheney

Grow up Wisgod.

republicans talking about fiscal responsibility is so beyond hypocrisy that it needs a new word or something.

republicans talking about fiscal responsibility is so beyond hypocrisy that it needs a new word or something.

#63 | Posted by Shawn at 2010-03-05 12:34 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Somebody needs to, and our Fuhrer certainly isn't....

If you don't like the Republicans doing it, go to www.fairtax.org and listen to the libertarians do it...