This is interesting. Although I do think reckless behavior which causes a miscarriage should have consequences in some way, unless the person simply does not care one iota about what their actions caused, I think their losing of the child would be close to if not punishment or consequence enough.

It would hopefully prevent reckless behavior when one is pregnant, which I would not argue against.

#1 exprss
unless the person simply does not care one iota about what their actions caused

Get real. What are you proposing, a thought police? We already have a horrible precedent in the hate crimes bill. If "reckless behavior" can be proven, just like in other crimes, causing a miscarriage is murder.

No, not a thought police. You can tell if someone could not care less, or if they are really effected by their course of actions.

I don't think this is going to stick, and ultimately people have the unfortunate privilege of being morons and killing their children before they even exit their body.

I do not understand how you could get "thought police" out of that.

Here's my thing, this bill is a result of a girl who paid someone to beat her in hopes of a miscarriage. What happens when a pregnant woman is beaten and subsequently miscarries? Someone is going to be on the hook for murder, either the aggressor or the woman. You better damn well believe the aggressor is going to allege that the woman asked him to beat her in hopes of terminating the pregnancy.

I think the article brings up other good arguments as well, but the one above is off the top of my head.

If the governor doesn't do anything, the bill becomes law March 8! Priceless! March 8 is international women's day!

March 8 is international women's day!

www.internationalwomensday.com

#5 | Posted by member2586

No doubt a day of infamy at Member's household.

Nullifidian, I was reading a little about this day and it turns out it was started by your friends, the Socialists. Figures.

What a miscarriage of justice.

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You can tell if someone could not care less, or if they are really effected by their course of actions.

I do not understand how you could get "thought police" out of that

You're joking, right?

I mentioned precedents in law. This was no accident.

Perhaps you might remember this.

AH-HA!! THE HAND OF JOKE IS NIGH!

From the article:

""It would never happen," Wimmer said, referring to accusations that women would be prosecuted for careless behavior. He believes the state's definition of "reckless" would protect women in those types of circumstances. "Reckless is behavior where you know that a threat exists, where you know that there's a risk, an unjustifiable risk.""

Which could mean drinking, smoking, not eating properly, not getting enough rest....

And just how "pregnant" does the woman have to be? A moment? A month? Showing? Or does this give the state the right (which, of course, they'll never abuse) to investigate every menstrual period?

A Bill designed to deter deliberate attacks on pregnant women by making any such attacks that result in a miscarriage an offense more punishable than wot they woulda ordinarily incurred?

Other than being another thin edge of the wedge in the ongoing attempts by the "social conservatives" to make abortion itself illegal and the fact that it could potentially be used to oppress women by making their behavior while pregnant a matter of public concern Spud sees no problem with this.

Especially in Utah.

/Yes, snark.

Be Well.

"Reckless is behavior where you know that a threat exists, where you know that there's a risk, an unjustifiable risk."

Like not wearing a seatbelt? What if it's icey outside and a woman has to walk down a flight of steps to get to her car in order to get to work. She knows a threat exists in that she may slip, and she know there is a risk in slipping and falling which could result in her pregnancy being terminated. Is taking on the risk to get to work on time justifiable? More importantly, is this woman going to have to defend herself from an aggressive prosecuter who doesn't buy her story that she slipped on accident?

Let's see if I've got this right:

Esprs believes in an ultimate nanny state law that could and WILL delve deeply into the lives of pregnant women.

Exprs believes that women bring rape upon themselves by dressing too "provocatively".

How often does your wife beat you? If not daily, why the fuck not?

#14 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2010-03-03 09:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

1. That is incorrect. Although I would like to see people held responsible for their irresponsible behavior, it will not happen on a governmental level and frankly cannot happen

2. I do not believe that women bring rape upon themselves by dressing too "provocatively" however it can be a factor in what grabs the attention of a rapist.

3. It seems as though you have limited reading comprehension skills. Would you fit into the "higher IQ" crowd who is brilliantly wrong, or the "lower IQ" crown who is idiotically wrong?