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Glenn Beck's CPAC speech was an "authoritarian" call for the "physical annihilation" of progressives, David Sirota writes. "No doubt, some conservatives will parse, insisting Beck was only endorsing the 'eradication' of progressivism but not of progressives. These same willful ignoramuses will also likely say that the Nazis' beef was with Judaism but not Jews, and that white supremacists dislike African-American culture but have no problem with black people."

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Here is the transcript of Becks speech at CPAC. The words "community" and "cancer" don't appear anywhere in it.

peopow.ning.com

This article is Bull Shit!

Correction.

Community and Cancer are in the complete tranccript, but in no way relate to each other.

"Is this what the Republican Party stands for? Well, you should ask members of the Republican Party, because this is not our founders' idea of America. And this is the cancer that's eating at America".

"It is big government it's a socialist utopia. And we need to address it as if it is a cancer. It must be cut out of the system because they cannot co-exist. And you don't cure cancer by well, I'm just going to give you a little bit of cancer. You must eradicate it. It cannot co-exist. And we need big thinkers, and brave people with spines who can make the case that can actually say to Americans: look it's going to be hard it's going to be hard but it's going to be okay. We're going to make it".

"It's not even enough it's not even enough that it should have been gained without doing damage to the community. We should permit it only to be gained so long as the gaining represents benefit to the community". TR

www.gather.com

This article is Bull Shit!

#1 | Posted by STIRSUMUP

Progressives are going out of their way to smear Beck, Ayn Rand and others. If Beck and others are as crazy as the progressives claims, why are they soooooooo afraid? Why all the lies and the smears? Obviously Beck is hitting some nerves.

Progressives are going out of their way to smear Beck, Ayn Rand and others.

The socialists turned liberalism into a pejorative, so they went back to their 19th century label. By any name, a socialist is a socialist.

Ray tries to make socilism a bad thing when he refuses to see the benefits. Ray is a fool and he proves it every time he posts.

Ray tries to make socilism.....

#5 | Posted by jackass

LOL. It's been a bad thing since before Ray was born.

Socialism is a good thing. One must only look at countries like Finland and Norway to realize how close to utopia they have it.

#5 | POSTED BY JACKASS AT 2010-02-28 08:04 AM | REPLY | FLAG: Sociopath!

Socialism is a good thing. One must only look at countries like Finland and Norway to realize how close to utopia they have it.
#8 | POSTED BY JACKASS

Until the oil runs out.

No nation can become wealthy by confiscating wealth. It's that basic.

Maybe not forever but people like you have enough wealth we will be ok for a long time.

Maybe not forever but people like you have enough wealth we will be ok for a long time.
#11 | POSTED BY JACKASS

Spoken like a true sociopath.

"Maybe not forever "

Aren't you Liberals always talking about sustainability? It's not only good for the environment, you know? Having sustainable sound finances is also a good thing.

Back on topic. If Beck's speech was authoritarian, It was the authority of the individual over big government. Jackass seems to think big government is great, yet he didn't seem to like big government under Bush any more than I do under Obama. There is a simple fix to that. No more big government.

I am convinced that Jackass is just a Republican pretending to be a lib to make them look bad, because he says some of the dumbest stuff I've ever read.

I think Jackass should look to countries like Cuba and North Korea for authentic socialist utopias, not those hybrids like Norway and Finland.

As long as the govt takes Ray's money before everything goes to hell I'll be happy.

i see some of you like don't mirrors.
what's his name is a [vampiric] dipshit and so are his "followers." absolutely no abstract thinking capabilities. only yes or no, T or F, black or white. ...actually, they are a lot worse than that simple diagnosis.

"Progressives are going out of their way to smear Beck, Ayn Rand and others."

Pointing out the reality of the effects of the philosophy espoused by radical demagogues like Beck isn't smearing them it's an attempt to force facts into the minds of those so mesmerized by his dishonest portrayal of history and even the present.

Beck is a real flop. He was the keynote speaker and spoke at the CPAC convention for a whole hour WITHOUT a single teleprompter. I guess he's just too stupid to know how to use one. Good thing for us that Great and Glorious Community Organizer knows how.

Pointing out the reality of the effects of the philosophy espoused by radical demagogues like Obama isn't smearing them it's an attempt to force facts into the minds of those so mesmerized by his dishonest portrayal of history and even the present.

STIRSMUP---Your #23 is whate we refer to as being "semantically null". That is, a string of syllables that relates to nothing.

GLEN BECK---is arguably mentally ill.

GLEN BECK---is arguably mentally ill.

#25 | Posted by Zed at 2010-02-28 02:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

You can argue all you want.

My guess is that you lack both the understanding and any certification to make such assertion in the first place.

Rather than make such a statement why not prove wrong the history he has presented. It is, afterall, public knowledge.

#24 | Posted by Zed

My #23 was an exact re-post of Danni's #21 with only one word change. Try reading...

STIRSMUP---Your #23 is whate we refer to as being "semantically null". That is, a string of syllables that relates to nothing.

#24 | Posted by Zed

What the hell do you call your post? Poetry?

Here Zed, I think you'll enjoy this one.

www.moonbattery.com

You might enjoy this one too, Zed.

www.u-s-history.com

Here Zed.

www.britannica.com

"Try reading...."

Your post was a trite copy of DANNI'S post. Try originality.

Serious question----Is anyone here seriously arguing Beck isn't a moonbat? That might be an interesting discussion.

"Why not prove wrong what history he (Beck) has stated....?"

Why not reproduce any of Beck's assertions you think is incontrovertibly correct? I can either then agree with him or tell you why he's full of shit. Warning: I know a lot more about Germany 1914-1945 than he ever will.

Your post was a trite copy of DANNI'S post. Try originality.

#32 | Posted by Zed

Why? It's more much fun to show how easily the same statement works for Obama. Now, if you want to stay on topic and dispute the facts of the article....

Sounds like Beck would like to live in a country that has no progressives. I support him. He speaks the truth. This is two countries. There will never be room for both liberals and conservatives. Both sides inhibit the future that the other side sees for America. The only question is---does the split come peacefully, or should we repeat the Civil War with millions dead.

"And dispute the facts of the article...."

What I told you to do was find some fact of Beck's he and you consider indisputable. I then told you I'd either agree with it or shoot it down entirely.

If you can't put up or shut up on something as simple as that, why in the world you think you could defend Beck's sanity eludes me.

The man is crazier than a sack of roaches.

People who refuse to obtain wealth honorably are thieves. Glen Beck supports thieves and theft. Does he need to come out in support of forcible rape before you see what an insane jackass he is?

Glen Beck supports thieves and theft.

Link?

Beck is a crybaby pussy. Anyone who cares, much less listens to this little twit is more retarded than Sarah Palin's aborted fetus.

Here Zed, Maybe you'll think a bit more highly of this elder woman.......

www.resistnet.com

She's not Glenn Beck.

She could even be your grandmother.

Is she arguably mentally ill?

"Is she arguably mentally ill....?'

No idea. But BECK is just batshit.

Coming days after an anti-tax terrorist kamikaze-attacked a government facility in Texas, and following Republicans like Sen. Scott Brown and Rep. Steve King expressing sympathy for that terrorist's grievances.... Instead, these torch-carriers, gun-brandishers and tea partiers follow an anti-government terrorist attack by cheering a demagogue's demand

First, Glenn Beck completely discredits himself constantly. The latest example is his apparent flip-flop (if he ever actually believed otherwise) on the AGW issue. Beck lost 500K audience within 2 days after the obvious and misguided ambush on Debra Medina. He very likely lost many times more than that over this controversy. He is even so bold to not attempt to defend himself.

"When an unflattering quote comes out about someone, anyone, they all say, "I was misquoted." Everyone does it. The people who were actually misquoted take legal action if a retraction/correction isn't printed. In fact, that's why newspapers print retractions/corrections. If Beck doesn't sue USA Weekend, then it tells me his protestations ring hollow," writes another.

Other respondents said they thought the article was a hit piece and that Beck's comments on global warming had been misreported. However, Beck's reaction to the controversy suggests otherwise.

Following the outcry, Beck responded by accusing McCafferty of inventing four of the ten things attributed to him in the article, but since Beck made no mention whatsoever of it, we can only assume that his global warming comment wasn't one of them.

Also, the Salon author also discredits himself by attaching whatever happened in Austin, TX to Republicans and their followers. Even those that commented were generalizing. They did not "express symptathy". Certainly many on the "left" made similar comments to "many have issues with the IRS". Second, Salon brainlessly conclusively lumps all of GOP and followers together in the act of glorifying what "a terrorist", while ignoring
plenty of odd evidence that has suggested otherwise and this and this. Further, Glenn Beck didn't even register in the CPAC straw polls
Here's the final tally.

Ron Paul 31%
Mitt Romney 22%
Sarah Palin 7%
Tim Pawlenty 6%
Mike Pence 5%
Newt Gingrich 4%
Mike Huckabee 4%
Mitch Daniels 2%
John Thune 2%
Rick Santorum 2%
Haley Barbour 1%

, proving how little of a splash his speech really made. Beck is moving slowly into irrelevancy. So, with Beck and Salon being discredited, there is no story.

listen. If you didnt bitch about big government under bush, then you cant bitch about it under obama, unless you preface it with the words, "i'm a total hippocrit, but..."

if all this sudden anger about big gov and socialism is genuine, it wouldve been voiced before obama. if you were pissed under bush, then bitch away. if not, then youre just a racist, a partisan hack, or both. beck included.

Sirota's column seems like hysteria to me. Political partisans often talk in strong language against the other side. That doesn't mean they are actually in favor of the "physical annihilation" of the people who favor those ideas.

hmmmmm....

I've never heard the United States Constitution...

...referred to as an Authoritarian Manifesto.

Nazis rose to power while the German middle class lanquished under harsh retribution payments. Hitler blamed the Jews and through that political sleight of hand initiated a process which relied on a secret police to turn a Socialist State into a Facist State. In the process Hitler had the Socialist wing of his party eliminated.

Today he we are witness to the bailouts of companies who institutionalized fraud. The consequences of this and offshoring is killing the US middle class. So who does Glenn Beck and other Rethuglican shills blame? Liberals, progressives Socialism bla, bla, bla....

A greedy lying clown that went from calling the US health care system the worst in the world on CNN to the best in the world on FOX is full of shit.

The seeds of a Nazi resurgence are being sown by the very people that claim others are doing just that. That any Americans even listen to him is tragic.

Nutcase,

Surely you can't be advocating the workers' paradise that was until recently known-as the USSR.

If Beck and others are as crazy as the progressives claims, why are they soooooooo afraid?

The German jews and progressives knew Hitler was batshit crazy, but nobody else would listen. How'd that turn out for the world?

When you have a pack of delusional "victims of democracy" with no sense of reality, any batshit crazy loudmouth can set them off. Or into an IRS building.

And JeefJ-instead of going off the deep-end in comparisons, why not compare socisl democracies-like Canada, Australia or the European nations? Or do you believe "capitalism" v. "socialism" is really Malaysian sweat shops v the USSR?

Warning: I know a lot more about Germany 1914-1945 than he ever will.

#34 | Posted by Zed

What does that have to do with proving any of his statements about progressives wrong?

Keep this in your mind I'm a moderate democrat registered as an independent. I've voted for Al Gore, I've voted for Bush, and I've voted for Obama.

people keep mocking Glenn Beck so I've been curious. I watched a few of his shows out of curiosity.

He's no where near as bad as what this guy says. This article is fear mongering.

This is all Glenn Beck is saying: Stop spending and stop raising taxes. you cannot spend and raise taxes these are democrats. you cannot spend and lower taxes these are republicans. Bottom line is you need to stop spending.

Most people agree with that. You can't keep spending what you don't have. Eventually you lose your house, car, boat whatever you have. You lose everything.

Yes Glenn Beck is animated and gets excited. That doesn't make him crazy. It makes him interesting and shows he's passionate about what he believes. But, he's no where near what this guy says he is.

#44 | Posted

The apparent flip flop on global warming has to do with the recent science being found out to have been wrong, inaccurate, filled with errors, and scientist were erasing or changing the data sets.

You will see a lot more flip flop as the global warming fraud is realized. I have a hockey stick graph to show this.

icecap.us

people keep mocking Glenn Beck so I've been curious. I watched a few of his shows out of curiosity.

He's no where near as bad as what this guy says.

Absolutely, Prag.

I work nights and his show is broadcasted on X/M from 2-3 AM. He has his flaws but is NOTHING like his caricature. Going further, he asks very legitimate questions - Beck almost single-handedly exposed and de-railed Van Jones from the Obama-team.

Good stuff and it is no wonder his ratings have soared since.

jeffj,

It is astonishing how easily one is misunderstood. I am saying Glenn Beck is one of several skanks that are recreating a national mood conducive to a decent into Facism and while doing that they are, typical of Rethuglicans, doing their best to shift blame for their misdeeds to the opposing party. Beck and the Teabaggers make absolutely no sense to anyone with half a brain.

What are you saying? That either you do it Reagan's way or Russia's pre-Gorbachov's way? You can't possibly be that narrow minded.

He has his flaws but is NOTHING like his caricature.

Hmm he is worse!

He distorts the truth in ways that the dimwitted amongst us cannot seem to parse.

Take for example his assertion that:

Americans also don't need to be taught how to give. We don't need to be taught how to take care of each other, or how to be charitable. We're charitable automatically. Why? We're Americans. In 2008, the American people gave $307 billion in charity. It was the second year in a row this is the last statistic that we have. The 2008 second year in a row that it was over $300 billion. Per capita, that's ten times the giving power of the people of France. Ten times the amount. Don't tell me we need to be more like Europe. Europe should be looking over here. How do we do it?

This line generated applause and chanting as though it was some kind of proof of something yet it is a sinister twisting of the facts.

How do we do it? We tie our aid to conditions that they buy our products! Maybe if he made his comparison to ALL Europe compared to America instead of tiny France he may have had a point. But, he didn't Japan is more generous than America per GDP and it is smaller..conveniently that point was neglected entirely.

The most generous countries are also the ones that do not tend to tie aid to their own products and services. The stingiest countries also, almost spitefully and nastily, force countries to buy their own services and products with the aid they give; which reduces free trade and commerce and harms the countries economy, as well as being simply selfish and conceited. Thankfully, many countries do not tie their aid. Countries that tie less than 10% of aid include Ireland, Norway and the UK, then Belgium, Finland, Switzerland and Sweden. The USA is the worst, and ties nearly 90% of its aid to developing countries. Italy is the second worst with 70%. The two worst countries for this obnoxious practice in aid-giving are also the two countries out of the most developed countries, who give least generously!

another inconvenient fact avoided

www.vexen.co.uk

America is not the most generous if measured by percentage of GDP. In fact, America is near the bottom next to Italy.

According to the OECD, the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development, the US gave between $6 and $15 billion in foreign aid in the period between 1995 and 1999. In absolute terms, Japan gives more than the US, between $9 and $15 billion in the same period. But the absolute figures are less significant than the proportion of gross domestic product (GDP, or national wealth) that a country devotes to foreign aid. On that league table, the US ranks twenty-second of the 22 most developed nations.

Rcade - I am surprised at your analysis. After reading Becks rantings and then that of Sirota I can see easily see how one looks like the ravings of a madman and the other is a short but reasoned analysis and an attempt to alert Americans to the dangers that Becks' foray into the depths of Fascism entails.

Maybe he if he used a teleprompter or wrote notes on his hands he wouldn't say completely batshit things like this:

Now don't talk to me about your childhood, you want to hear me go on about my childhood? No. I don't want to hear about your childhood. I don't care what happened in your childhood. What's happening today? What are you doing today?

Then in several paragraphs later he proceeds contradicts himself by telling us about HIS CHILDHOOD!:

At seven years old. My two sisters worked the front of the shop with my with my mother. That's how I grew up. I learned every lesson of hard work. I learned how to treat people. I learned how to be fair. I learned art from my father. His job wasn't a job. He was an artist. It was great. My father, eventually, business because of the 1970s, and the small town was dying we went out of business, he moved. But you know what? I I learned from that. I learned from the mistakes, I learned from the failure. I'm the first person to go to college in my family. I went for one semester. I took ....

Then there was this drivel...

,i>I took one class. Do you know why? I couldn't afford it. Now I never once even thought, this isn't fair. I never once thought, I want to take it from him how come he goes and I can't go? I never once thought I was owed an education. I was thirty when I went. I was trying to find answers. When I couldn't afford to go anymore, I was okay. I went to work, I got picked up my kids from school, I spent the afternoon with them, I put them down to bed, or whatever we did. I did my homework, if you will, for the next day's show, and then I went and I read. I educated myself, I went to the library books are free. I went to the bookstore. I read until two three o'clock in the morning some nights. I still read until two three clock in the mornings after everything's done. I educated myself. My education was free, and I'm proud of that.

(applause)

What a crock of shit...he just couldn't hack it.

College is hard werk!

And not a very good testimony for home schooling. Glenn Beck learns only what Glenn Beck wants to know. It just proves the need for a well rounded education. You learn things wether they fit your world view or not. Colleges and Universities exist for a reason.

Glenn Beck is fool and he proves it every time he opens his mouth.

wether=whether

just a typo...

Salon? Seriously, as a source?

I think Jackass should look to countries like Cuba and North Korea for authentic socialist utopias, not those hybrids like Norway and Finland.
#17 | Posted by Ray at 2010-02-28 08:46 AM

I'm skipping the rest of the thread to respond to this specifically - "hybrid" as in "regulated" WORKS.

"Free trade" and "free markets" have UTTERLY FAILED the 99% majority of humans.

You might want to consider WHY "hybrid" WORKS instead of IGNORING IT.

Glenn Beck is a neo-con and a Zionist. He is for "free trade" - which is invariably DISASTROUS to an economy. His advise is no different from Jim Kramer's, imo.

"Beck almost single-handedly exposed and de-railed Van Jones from the Obama-team."

Ooooooh thank God, that Van Jones would have ....???

Who ever really even heard of Van Jones before Beck went ape shit on him. That was much ado about nothing and really Obama's eventual cave on it didn't make him look good.

I'm skipping the rest of the thread to respond to this specifically - "hybrid" as in "regulated" WORKS.

Good call.

I was going to respond on that too. Is not America a hybrid?

We are NOT a pure democracy that is for sure!

Salon? Seriously, as a source?

#59 | Posted by daprof at 2010-03-01 03:23 PM | Reply | Flag: only watches the Fair and Balanced channel

"I was going to respond on that too. Is not America a hybrid?"

All of the most prosperous capitalist economies are examples of regulated capitalism, not Austrian/Randian/laissez-
fantasy, etc., which is successful nowhere.

books are free

"free"? Yeah, that's one way to put it.

This guy was 30 with his own a radio show before he ever decided to get an education, a self-taught education at that.

I'm glad that when he finally became intellectually curious during mid-age adolescence, a public library had been built in his town thanks to socialists he'd see "eradicated".

Yep, looks like The Beckster gets under the thin skin of the Lib's

It's pretty clear that none of our "lefty" posters ever watch him God forbid. They just want to get their marching orders from Mad-cow and Oberdink.

Note to all: Please honestly listen to both sides of the issues and make your own educated decisions!

Most of my Lefty friends refuse to hear opposing points of view and they would rather "hang with their own kind" and Blame Bush....(which is getting REALLY old.")

@62
en.wikipedia.org

...if by democracy you mean direct democracy... no we are not, we are a representative democracy...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Representative_democracy

sometimes i wonder if the fringe is educated enough to have realized that or if they want to change that, i mean, have people been through the thinking process of what a direct democracy would result in...

isn't, this is a question, direct democracy what is meant by the "Meet and Vote Program" that the American Taxpayer Party advocates?

i wrote about this in some other thread a few weeks ago, but here are a few excerpts..
first they say...
We don't need to have a rebellion or a revolt of any type like other nations have at times....
other nations? HELLO!
The American Taxpayer party and it's "Meet and Vote" program revolve around the belief that the majority of the American Taxpayers would make the proper decisions on the issues that face us if they were properly informed about them and were given the opportunity to decide these issues.
now that really says it all right there, doesn't it? [bold emphasis mine]
Most importantly the "Meet and Vote" program will not allow a run away president since the decisions on all issues will be voted on by the American Taxpayers - reducing the vote of the president (and each member of Congress) to one vote among 300,000,000 when it comes time to go to war, use tax money frivolously, send jobs overseas or make other decisions that are not in the best interest of the American Taxpayers. In short, the "Meet and Vote" program is the real fix for real change in Washington.
as far as i know the president has no vote, except just like you or i do now, at elections. he is not a member of Congress.

moreover, this "properly informed" thing is right out of Fahrenheit 451.
plot summary, enjoy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Fahrenheit_451#Plot_summary

ATP source: http://www.taxpayerparty.com/ meetandvoteprogram.php

oops, that last URL got a space in it.

#66, i wouldn't be so sure Doc. i posted this story and i could have edited out all those paragraphs that start with Beck... look and see who all came-along-a-posting... the confused cheerleader squad showed right up, did they not?

...and, uh, you're the one with the TP, Doc, and the CPAC spectacle.

you wrote: Note to all: Please honestly listen to both sides of the issues and make your own educated decisions!

Most of my Lefty friends refuse to hear opposing points of view and they would rather "hang with their own kind" and Blame Bush....(which is getting REALLY old.")

tell me about, it. how about a nice hot cup-a-joe? ;-)
might calm your nerves.

Doc = DOCSMOOTH

correction, the article i posted HAD all those paragraphs, i mentioned in #69 starting with Beck, and, if i recall correctly, it HAD them when the "squad" showed up (posters 1, 4, 6. et al, TUS).

i.e., the article has been edited by mod (the headline [added the first word/name] and the body). damn, and i made some good bait! Beck this Beck that, ad nauseam... it WAS NOT easy i tell ya! i could barely do it!

I LOVE that Glenda Beck is the new voice of conservatism.

Always great to have a divisive loon as your point man. Great stuff!

Who says he is the conservative point man?

ABC, CBS, NBC, Huffington, MSNBC, CNBC???????

Nice try, thanks for playing........

Whether you agree with him or not, to call Beck an authoritarian is to be as incorrect as is intellectually possible....

Then again, he's hoping you haven't watched Beck either.

Wow.. I have heard of this guy Sirota, but never had the ... errrrr.. pleasure ... of reading his stuff.
What an utter imbecile.

Also - DANNI 21 - I read your post six times and literally still haven't the slightest idea what it means. I know that your theme is always astronomical taxes, enormous government, the punishment of achievement, killing of individual incentive, and all that -- but this one is incomprehensible. Please re-phrase if you have a chance. Thanks.

JM

We are dealing with a Media that has no clue what the american people want. They believe WE the People are stupid and can not see the half truths and lies they print. The Media is really at fault here for not reporting the truth about what is really going on. Beck is showing the American People what is really going on,and the Libs do not want to hear it, so they write lies about him and those that support him. We need to get the Media Fixed so that politisions will once again listen to the american people and not the Media. The writer of this story understands this so he is tring to convence us other wise.

Beck is showing the American People what is really going on,and the Libs do not want to hear it, so they write lies about him and those that support him.

No need to lie. All we have to do is highlight his own words and do a little fact checking.

It's easy.

You can do it do too! Play along at home.

Take almost anything he says and either
A) fact check and you can show how he has distorted or twisted the facts or
B) wait a few more paragraphs and he will completely contradict himself.

Don't make it a drinking game or you too will become an alcoholic.

Donner 78
Could you start the game off for us with some examples??

You know - of "almost anything he says" which is a lie...

Thanks,

JM

he says some of the dumbest stuff I've ever read

Hello.... Hence the name Jackass.....

Donner 78
Could you start the game off for us with some examples??

see posts 56 and 57

Glenn Beck seems to be more about small government, low taxes, and little spending.

How is that a bad thing?

Beck has put the spotlight on Barry's Czar's.

The MSM DID NOT do the due diligence in looking into some of these Marxist/Communist cockroaches..

Then again, the MSM is toating Barry's water so why would they?

Great job Beckster!

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