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A massive iceberg struck Antarctica, dislodging another giant block of ice from a glacier, Australian and French scientists said Friday. The two icebergs are drifting together about 62 to 93 miles off eastern Antarctica following the collision on Feb. 12 or 13, said Australian Antarctic Division glaciologist Neal Young. "It gave it a pretty big nudge," Young said of the 60-mile (97-kilometer) -long iceberg, about the size of Luxembourg, that collided with the giant floating Mertz Glacier and shaved off a new iceberg. "They are now floating right next to each other." The new iceberg is 48 miles (78 kilometers) long and about 24 miles wide and holds roughly the equivalent of a fifth of the world's annual total water usage.

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Dontcha hate when Mother Nature interferes with rightwing talking points denying global warming?

The iceberg that hit the Mertz Glacier is called B9B and had broken free from another part of Antarctica in 1987. It has been nuzzling and shifting alongside the Mertz for about 18 years before this month's dislodging, said Benoit Legresy, a researcher with the LEGOS laboratory for geophysical studies in Toulouse, France.

"It was a slow process," Legresy said. He said B9B was "sitting there, it must have been pushed and pulled by the current every day and used as a hammer to bang on the other one by the ocean currents."

The dislodging occurred because of the iceberg's latest location and water that had warmed during Antarctica's summer, leaving less sea ice, Legresy said.

Feeling ok, Moder8?

Icebergs should not be kept in captivity.

Damn! Iceburgs!

well, that proves everything!

"2 Huge Icebergs Let Loose Off Antarctica's Coast"

"And THEY didn't file a flight plan EITHER" - Rick Sanchez

This is news???? Really doesn't fit for the typical man bites dog story line...hmmm, must have been a slow news day with all of the health care stories floating about.

Did Aunt B turn the iron off before they left?

Did those "scientists" observe and study any of this first hand or did they get the story from Penthouse magazine?

Good.... Pour in some Jack Daniels and some Coke and have a nice day.....

Are you sure Al Gore didn't dynamite it loose?

That headline reminds me I need another cup of coffee this morning.

Global Warming is turning the ice sheets into icebergs. The icebergs are swimming around in the ocean like ice cubes in a huge drink. The drink is getting warmer...

Co2 has built up causing temperatures to rise and these poor little ice bergs are no longer together. Look at the madness man has caused! OMG we are all going to die a slow miserable death. Gore said if we didn't act fast enough this would happen. "Only you can prevent global warming". The global community didn't send enough money to save us from this and now it's to late. Now that the world's end is proven and "the debate is over", money is of no use. You might as well send all you have left to Gore. At least he tried.

It has been nuzzling and shifting alongside the Mertz for about 18 years before this month's dislodging,

News flash------- it broke off 18 years ago.

One bitter, snowy, and cold winter doesn't disprove GW, but an iceberg breaking off the ice shelf does?

Sounds like AlGorists need to study logic again.

Or math...since they always seem to say

X + Y = 4, for any and all X and Y.

Dontcha hate when Mother Nature interferes with rightwing talking points denying global warming?

#1 | Posted by moder8

hmmm, did the AP writer add some of Mod8's AWG talking points to the Yahoo article?

from UK Times:
"Neal Young, the Australian scientist who captured the moment with his camera, said the birth of this iceberg was NOT evidence of climate change but a natural event

For decades the tongue of the Mertz Glacier, from which the superberg broke, had grown further out into the water
(aka; PUSHED OUT BY NEW ICE) until it was about 100 kilometres long by 29 kilometres wide, said Benoit Legresy, a researcher with the LEGOS laboratory for geophysical studies in Toulouse, France"

enjoy your eczema!

Zit!

"News flash------- it broke off 18 years ago."
#13 | Posted by Sniper

This is what they call "An Inconvenient Truth".

Nope, no global warming here. Ignore the Icebergs and just keep the line moving: Passion of The Christ II, staring Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck begins in 30 minutes.

Better yet, maybe all you christians can drop to your knees, clasp your hands together in Art Bell Group Prayer and wish those Icebergs back into place.

That ought to do it!

In the Asian, African and Latin American countries, well over 500 million people are living in what the World Bank has called "absolute poverty

Every year 15 million children die of hunger

One in twelve people worldwide is malnourished, including 160 million children under the age of 5

Elementary science proves Co2 levels @ around 340 ppm is the lowest point in the history of this planet. Commercial food growers pump Co2 into green houses to levels around 1,200 ppm. Why? Because it's optimum level for plants. They grow faster and yields increase 300 to 400%.

At 225 ppm of Co2 plants begin to starve and die.
So, if I have this right, we save the planet through more starvation?

What do GW fundies and Al Gore have to say about these bergs?

"Elementary science proves Co2 levels @ around 340 ppm is the lowest point in the history of this planet. "

#19 | Posted by bobinspokane at 2010-02-27 12:11 PM | Reply | Flag: failed elementary science

1800-1870
Level of carbon dioxide gas (CO2) in the atmosphere, as later measured in ancient ice, is about 290 ppm (parts per million).

Mean global temperature (1850-1870) is about 13.6C.

2009
Level of CO2 in the atmosphere reaches 385 ppm.

Mean global temperature (five-year average) is 14.5C, the warmest in hundreds, perhaps thousands of years.

CO2 has repeatedly been below 200 PPM.
www.daviesand.com

idiot

So...

...did all that displaced weight help to trigger...

...the 8.8 quake off Chile?

With 1.5 trillion tons moving around that close to the S. pole, even a very small "wobble" might be converted into...

...enough plate energy to unlock a massive slip fault.

The earth really is alive with its ages measured in eons, its interesting to think that the geologic trigger causing today's massive offshore earthquake was set in motion 18 years ago...

...when the culprit iceberg first broke free from its Antarctic mother.

Oh yeah, source: American Institute of Physics www.aip.org

If this is news, maybe they should throw up an article that a cloud formed somewhere over Nebraska today.

Zatoichickenlittle is running around in circles frantically pulling out clups of hair!
Oh! The humanity of it all.

Dontcha hate when Mother Nature interferes with rightwing talking points denying global warming?

#1 | Posted by moder8 at

DAMN...the first time in all of history that this happened and I MISSED IT>.

oh well..as long as al gore can stuff his pockets....

Well that settles it!! lol

The denials go on. The Afkas of the world are not exactly famous for letting facts like evolution, round earth and climate change affect their right-wing anti-people philosophies. herm

You're right Herm, what would a Geophysicist know about this kind of shit, must be pure "right-wing" propaganda.

You fucking idiot, you probably sweep floors and you're trying to tell us that your view is correct?

Updated February 26, 2010
U.S. Climate Data Compromised by Sensors' Proximity to Heat Sources, Critics Say
By Joseph Abrams

zat, go find this article. It gives me a nice warm feeling about your temp records here in the US.

ohh i get it...cold weather..not proof, icebergs..proof

News flash------- it broke off 18 years ago.

#13 | Posted by Sniper at 2010-02-27 10:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

If only California had followed the example.

#30 | Posted by Sniper at 2010-02-27 02:22 PM | Reply | Flag: Thinks planet earth is the US.

Not real bright, are you snappy?

GLOBAL Land-Ocean Temperature Index in 0.01 degrees Celsius base period: 1951-1980

data.giss.nasa.gov

Do you have some glimmer of comprehension of what the word "global" means snappy? Or are you really that fucking stupid?

jaysolomon.files.wordpress.com

#25 | Posted by JeffnDenmark at 2010-02-27 01:16 PM | Reply | Flag: never got past 4th grade science

Take it up with the American Institute of Physics, Copernicus. I'm sure you'll get all the attention you merit.

Apparently snappy's friends are paving the oceans with black asphalt.

September 16, 2009

The world's ocean surface temperature was the warmest for any August on record, and the warmest on record averaged for any June-August (Northern Hemisphere summer/Southern Hemisphere winter) season according to NOAA's National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C. The preliminary analysis is based on records dating back to 1880.

www.noaanews.noaa.gov

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

Sure is a lot longer walk to the glacier than when I was there in 1995.

This was taken in 2006
www.ski-epic.com

Fig 1: Arctic sea-ice extent and CO2
(a) Time series of annual arctic sea-ice extent and atmospheric concentrations of CO2 for 1900-2007. Sea-ice observations are from the Walsh and Chapman dataset 1900-78, merged with sea-ice concentration retrieved from satellite passive-microwave data (1979-2007) using the NORSEX algorithm, with ice extent updated to 2007. The CO2 scale is inverted.
www.rtcc.org

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Al Gore was so happy to hear this he rubbed one out in the middle of the dance floor...

So...

...did all that displaced weight help to trigger...

...the 8.8 quake off Chile?

#22 | Posted by BENDOR

Ya it did. It just took 18 years for the vibrations to get there. It's a long way, you know.

zat, just how many years have there been tempretature records keep around the world? Use your head for something other than keeping your ears from slapping together.

There are so many screwed up tempretaure recording places here in the US that you think the future of the world rest on that it has become laughable, at best. More like criminal.

I know I won't change your closed mind but there are others here on the DR that are just a little more open minded.

"zat, just how many years have there been tempretature(sic) records keep around the world?"

First I suggest you learn to spell temperature.
As to your stupid question, looks like about 700,000 so far.

Come to think of it ...

"You would have to go back at least 15 million years to find carbon dioxide levels on Earth as high as they are today, a UCLA scientist and colleagues report Oct. 8 in the online edition of the journal Science.

"The last time carbon dioxide levels were apparently as high as they are today and were sustained at those levels global temperatures were 5 to 10 degrees Fahrenheit higher than they are today, the sea level was approximately 75 to 120 feet higher than today, there was no permanent sea ice cap in the Arctic and very little ice on Antarctica and Greenland," said the paper's lead author, Aradhna Tripati, a UCLA assistant professor in the department of Earth and space sciences and the department of atmospheric and oceanic sciences."

newsroom.ucla.edu

idiot

"Tripati, before joining UCLA's faculty, was part of a research team at England's University of Cambridge that developed a new technique to assess carbon dioxide levels in the much more distant past by studying the ratio of the chemical element boron to calcium in the shells of ancient single-celled marine algae. Tripati has now used this method to determine the amount of carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere as far back as 20 million years ago.

"We are able, for the first time, to accurately reproduce the ice-core record for the last 800,000 years the record of atmospheric C02 based on measurements of carbon dioxide in gas bubbles in ice," Tripati said. "This suggests that the technique we are using is valid.

"We then applied this technique to study the history of carbon dioxide from 800,000 years ago to 20 million years ago," she said. "We report evidence for a very close coupling between carbon dioxide levels and climate. When there is evidence for the growth of a large ice sheet on Antarctica or on Greenland or the growth of sea ice in the Arctic Ocean, we see evidence for a dramatic change in carbon dioxide levels over the last 20 million years.

"A slightly shocking finding," Tripati said, "is that the only time in the last 20 million years that we find evidence for carbon dioxide levels similar to the modern level of 387 parts per million was 15 to 20 million years ago, when the planet was dramatically different."

Levels of carbon dioxide have varied only between 180 and 300 parts per million over the last 800,000 years until recent decades, said Tripati, who is also a member of UCLA's Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics. It has been known that modern-day levels of carbon dioxide are unprecedented over the last 800,000 years, but the finding that modern levels have not been reached in the last 15 million years is new."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

UCLA gets it wrong too then.

If the CO2 is as high today as it was then--then why is the water level, the lack of ice and the temps not matching their supposed findings??

bs

Now the climate cycles seen in the ice core record are due to changes in the earth's orbit, as such CO2 lags temp, but amplifies the effects as trapped gasses are released. This time it's different. Humans have released sufficient CO2 to cause the warming.

And it's too late to stop it.

ScienceDaily (Jan. 28, 2009) A new scientific study led by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reaches a powerful conclusion about the climate change caused by future increases of carbon dioxide: to a large extent, there's no going back.

The pioneering study, led by NOAA senior scientist Susan Solomon, shows how changes in surface temperature, rainfall, and sea level are largely irreversible for more than 1,000 years after carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions are completely stopped. The findings appear during the week of January 26 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

www.sciencedaily.com

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Water has receded at Long Beach and is receding for a third time at Hilo.

It has been known that modern-day levels of carbon dioxide are unprecedented over the last 800,000 years, but the finding that modern levels have not been reached in the last 15 million years is new.

Ouch.

TY fer all the good data, Zat.

Too bad the denialists are incapable of processing any of it.

You can lead a horse to water and all that.

Be Well.

Using the "logic" of the Right: man made Global Warming has to exist because their was no snow in Vancouver B.C. for the Olympics this year...

Glad we cleared that up...

That is an odd thing to happen. After all it is actually summer down there

More accepable: 2 Huge Icebergs Break Off In Obama's Ass

yeah...that Al Gore doesn't know what he's sayin...

(that was a Sarcasm...)

c ma other post on Al Gore thread...

It must be true, after all Algore invented the internet, the book "Love Story" was written about he an Tipper....

This ass-clown in delusional!!!!

Yes, there is cliamte change and it's beeen changing for billions of years!!! Get your head out your arse and your hand out of my wallet!

I got yer carbon credit right here!

More fun from the Goracle:

www.gargaro.com

This guy's a hoot!

The deniers are truly stupid fucks.I read these comments and these retards actually believe they are more intelligent than atmospheric scientist or physicist.

Bob... you're a boob.

Let's see...

MMGW dweebs linking to graphs that were produced with the data the scientists could aquire the most grant money from...

Algore crawling out from under the snow whenever his jet needs refueling...

The warmest temps occured in the late 1800's and have gotten dramaticaly cooler over the past two decades...

Ok. I'm conviced. MMGW is all fact. I also now believe that Bobo the Clown will become the most endeared president of all time to Rush and Hannity.

Priceless.

Global Warming is turning the ice sheets into icebergs.

#11 | Posted by Monstman

Holly shit batman, the south pole is melting. Earth to zat!!!

Thirteen researchers, who work with the National Science Foundation's McMurdo Dry Valleys Long-term Ecological Research program, report in the Jan. 13 online edition of the journal Nature on both the cooling and its effects in the Dry Valleys, an a little larger than Rhode Island on the west coast of the Ross Sea.
Dry Valleys temperatures dropped an average of 1.23 degrees Fahrenheit a decade from 1986 to 2000, with the greatest cooling during the December through February Antarctic summer, they report.

As usual sniper still can't do the math. In one sentence he quotes, "...a little larger than Rhode Island on the west coast of the Ross Sea", and in another he mocks scientists by ejaculating this, "Holly shit batman, the south pole is melting. Earth to zat!!!", in jest.

I have news for sniped, Antarctica is 14,000,000 square miles and Rhode Island is 1214 square miles. That makes it a tiny fraction of the size of the continent and has a micro climate unlike anywhere else on the continent.

If he had a brain he could easily have typed in the phrase 'Antarctic warming trends' into google and he would have been directed to this sight:
earthobservatory.nasa.gov

Then, he wouldn't need to depend on his kindergarten math skills, he could see a visual map of the warming trend that vastly dominates the rest of the 14,000,000 square miles.


earthobservatory.nasa.gov

www.sciencedaily.com

Here is an article that should put the whole question whether the Ross ice shelf is shrinking and why to rest. Let's see if any of these Gore haters can read this, much less understand the concepts involved.

The deniers are truly stupid fucks.I read these comments and these retards actually believe they are more intelligent than atmospheric scientist or physicist.

The whole point is that they shun science as merely mimicking another religion. These are mostly Christians who still don't understand that Adam and Eve were metaphors and evolution is real science. Notice that not one has been able to verify even one single aspect of their arguments. That is because they have nothing but empty rhetoric and ridicule for things they can't possibly understand. They hate Gore because he is obviously smarter then them. He is making money promoting green technology, the wave of the future.

Einstein said it best when he said, "Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds." Einstein also said, "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

This pretty much defines the last 50 years in America and the predominantly republican rule during the last 50 years.

Dear ring, you can't even read. I never once told you how big or small Antartica is. Try to get your shit together for a change.

I guess they are having a real heat wave there. The damn thing broke off 18 years ago and its still huge. Does anyone know why glaciers slide down the hill? They get too heavy and they are pushed by the weight of the ice on top of them.

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