They shouldn't have added a tip on the bill but as a pvt business they should be able to ban her if they want to. Some people never tip. I consider those people to be cheapskates. She may consider a dollar a reasonable tip.

Holy crap! I agree with Jackass... completely. You knew she was a bad tipper when she sat down. You can't tell her she has to tip 18% after fact. That said, I dont' get why 300 people signed a petition to support a bad tipper.

Some people never tip. I consider those people to be cheapskates.

Agreed.

However, on the flip side a lot of waiters/waitresses seem to think a 15% tip a forgone conclusion and that they are entitled to it.

I've tipped many servers (I'm not a cheapskate) 15% who didn't deserve it.

Everybody is stupid in this story. From the wait staff who refuse to give her service, to the restaurant owner who doesn't fire the wait staff for refusing to give service, to the person who is a crummy customer who has enough time on her hands to gather 300 signatures.

HORY CLAP! I AGREE WITH JACKASS TOO!

I admit to being somewhat of a cheapskate, but have also been a waitress many years ago so we do tip well - closer to 20%...If one person in our family pays the bill, the other three pony up the tip. If our son goes through a drive-thru for a drink, he gives 50%. Of course, we frequent some of the same restaurants on a regular basis and also have our favorite wait staff and know they give us the best service we could possibly hope for.

Someone needs to tell that lady she is out of line. Eating at Japanese restaurants is nothing but fun!

What the hell is this an episode of Sein Feld or something?

Was it a Hibachi place? I ask because the small tips go to cover the bus boy, waitress, hostess, and cook in those places as all serve you directly. Most restaurants do not tip cooks. I can see the point of view of this restaurant although they do need to change the written policy. The Hibachi places around me automatically tack on an 18% tip, but they let you know up front they are doing it.

Restaurants have the right to refuse service. Though forcing a 18% tip is not a good move on their part.

HORY CLAP! I AGREE WITH JACKASS TOO!

I admit to being somewhat of a cheapskate, but have also been a waitress many years ago so we do tip well - closer to 20%...If one person in our family pays the bill, the other three pony up the tip. If our son goes through a drive-thru for a drink, he gives 50%. Of course, we frequent some of the same restaurants on a regular basis and also have our favorite wait staff and know they give us the best service we could possibly hope for.

Someone needs to tell that lady she is out of line. Eating at Japanese restaurants is nothing but fun!

#6 | Posted by nanc

My son who in his earlier years worked in restaurants castigated me one time for not giving a bigger tip---my habits have changed since then.

That is what I said Nanc.

The form of teppanyaki most familiar to North Americans consists of steak and other meats, along with vegetable accompaniments, and is often known by the name of hibachi, with the establishments often referred to as "Japanese steakhouses."

If the restraunt thinks they need more income, they should just raise their prices. Tips are not automatic, tips are for good service. If the service sucks, so does the tip.

TIP is an acronym for "To Insure Promptness" and was a bribe basically to get better service. Somewhere along the line, the restaurants were able to pay far less than minimum because of the tips being paid and it became standard and expected.

Working in resturants is akin to working as a garbage man

You shouldn't eat in any, then.

They spit in the food for folks like you.

kan, we agree on that.

Bad tipper should commit Hari Kari!
Only honorable thing to do.

My son who in his earlier years worked in restaurants castigated me one time for not giving a bigger tip---my habits have changed since then.

I would have disowned him. Working in resturants is akin to working as a garbage man

#13 | Posted by StenWilly

Nah, he's my one and only son and a great kid---by the way he's protecting your sorry rearend (and not in a restaurant either).

Eating out at restruants is the biggest waste of money there is. Japanrsr restruants are the worst for expense and blandness. Go Korean and get authentic, spicey and cheap.

Working in resturants is akin to working as a garbage man

#13 | Posted by StenWilly

Do you not need your garbage picked up? I have a feeling if they stopped picking up your garbage you'd appreciate the people who do it pretty darn quick.

"I would have disowned him. Working in resturants is akin to working as a garbage man""

Thinking this is funny is akin to being a jerk.

Its funny to read the comments at the bottom of the article, I have always believed you can tell a lot about a person, by how they act to those who serve them. People who feel tips are "added on top, or a bonus" have no clue about and are usually complete and utter Jackasses. Tips are in place of salary especially in the south or "right to work states", where servers make less then minimum wage, because tips makes up the difference. I served to pay tuition during college and I will tell you one thing, I did some disgusting things to peoples food. I mean things that would probably make you lose your lunch, because they where rude, tipped lousy and made the mistake of coming back. Servers always remember those people, always. Remember that. So be nice to your servers tip well or dont go out. The nicer you are to your server the better your experience will be. Its a win, win

two things here:

1. putting the tip on the bill is called faud.

2. restaraunts do have the right to refuse service in most cases(not racial descrimination/sex/etc).

"I would have disowned him. Working in resturants is akin to working as a garbage man

#13 | Posted by StenWilly"

This is a lame excuse for having prostitution as your family profession.

I also have the duty not to go into a restraunt that I think is screwing me.

If the tip part of their wage the restraunt needs to take a closer look at their operation. Do you tip at a fast food joint?

Do you tip at a fast food joint?

If you did, fast food would not pay as well. The blame is on the government for having a separate minimum wage standard for tip earners.

re: #13...it appears Armella finally pulled the trigger on that gender reassignment surgery. As she was an butt-ugly harridan before, I doubt a change of plumbing will improve on "his" ghastly visage. You're not Armella? My bad...the resemblance is uncanny.

Wait staff: If you found 20% on the table, you did your job well
15% if you did your job
10% as a fair indication that you're in the wrong business...especially if it's EXACTLY 10%, pennies and all

Customers: 0% on the table just says you're cheap. There are a couple of high-end steak houses in Beverly Hills that will descretely council you about your ability to make future reservations should your penchant for leaving nothing become a habit. If this is your usual MO, next time put a stop watch on how long before the waiter comes to your table after the maitre d seats you.

Kanrei has a good point about hibachi restaurants, but it applies to most other restaurants as well.
At the end of the shift, the servers will tip other workers in the restaurants, be it, bussers, runners, hostesses, bartenders, and in some cases (sushi, et. al.), the chefs.
In most cases, the server tip-out is based on the servers sales.
A 10% tip ends up being around 7-8% when all is said and done, and sometimes less.

#15 | POSTED BY KANREI
"Somewhere along the line, the restaurants were able to pay far less than minimum because of the tips being paid and it became standard and expected."

This also varies from state to state.
In California, servers are paid minimum.
In Kentucky, it's $2.15/hour. ($7.25 minimum wage)

Tipping is for service and should reflect its quality. Leaving nothing says less than leaving a dollar for bad service. I do not tip for take-out, but otherwise reward in proportion to meal cost and quality of service.

The restuarant is wrong, the staff does not deserve 18% automatically.

I always tip. When I was younger, for bad service, I used the flipped cup over a $5 trick. The bill seals the water in the cup, but there is no way to remove either the bill or the cup without all the water going everywhere. A $5 guarantees they try.

The woman must have been a frequent enough customer for them to have noticed she was a poor tipper, nutcase - surely a person wouldn't continue returning to a restaurant where they continually get poor service?

Two cents is a definite "take this two cents and go to ... "

Having worked my way through school in restaurants and having owned, with my wife, a restaurant, I've seen and heard it. Not all, but a hell of a lot of it.

( Tipping USED to be "To Insure Prompt Service" up from and what we put now is a Gratuity, though it is erroneously called a tip nowadays.)

We tip 20%+ most of the time as a result. And you know, we can tell when it is the kitchen's fault and not the server's fault for delays.

Some people never tip, especially those from countries that build in the service charge. In the US, tipping is the primary source of income. Not just at restaurants, but in casinos, hair salons, and other businesses.

Tipping can get the employee on the customer's side of things, especially useful in a casino!

Bad service warrants no tip. Good service warrants good tip. Great service warrants a great tip!

That is, in the U.S., where tipping is the norm.

In most cases, the server tip-out is based on the servers sales.
A 10% tip ends up being around 7-8% when all is said and done, and sometimes less.
#29 | Posted by TheTom at 2010-02-26 12:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

What really sucks is that a server often has to tip-out even when a customer leaves no tip - thus making the server actually pay their own money from other tips to cover the tip-out cost. Don't be cheap, people. Tip your servers!

"I would have disowned him. Working in resturants is akin to working as a garbage man""

Thinking this is funny is akin to being a jerk.

#22 | Posted by Sully

To me everyone has a value no matter what they do as long as they do what they do with their best effort---every person demands the same respect regardless of their station in life. The elitist feels differently and that's why I don't respect their misguided views.

In any case, I agree that the restaurant should not add a tip, unless such a practice is posted on the menu, such as for parties of 6 or more.

I do believe that the restaurant has a legal right not to serve her, though.
If the owner and management are backing up the servers on this (and GOOD for them for doing so!), then the poor lady will just have to go elsewhere.

#28 | POSTED BY DUTCH46
"Wait staff:
If you found 20% on the table, you did your job well
15% if you did your job
10% as a fair indication that you're in the wrong business"

This may be YOUR standard, and it certainly seems fair, but it's not necessarily an accurate indication of the level of service.
YOU may actually pay attention to how much you tip (and kudos for doing so), but many don't.

#2 | POSTED BY SULLY
"Holy crap! I agree with Jackass"
#6 | POSTED BY NANC
"HORY CLAP! I AGREE WITH JACKASS TOO!"

A moment of silence, please, to pause and reflect upon this miracle.

Every time there's a restaurant thread, there's always some inbred who falls all over himself trying to show how badass he is.

Sten, buy some Extenze and quit whining.

Let's have an honest convo here. If any posters are Black, why doesn't your demographic typically tip well? I was a waiter all through college in Florida and my sisters did the same through college up in NY. It sucked serving tables of predominately Black customers because 90% of the time a shit tip was coming. I realize now comes the knee jerk, "you're a racist" replies, but anyone who has worked in a restaurant knows this isn't a stereotype. Hell, and the place I worked at there were students from FAMU who always tried getting me to take those tables cuz they knew it too.

So really... whats the deal here? Why such horrible tippers?

Stop feeding the troll.

I agree with Matsop whatever you do if you work your hardest I will respect you. Maybe thats cause I am blue collar myself. If I were a garbage man the streets on my route would sparkle. If I were your waiter I would serve you with such timeleness, flair and panace that you would not be able to count my tip for the tears in your eyes. It does not mater what you do but how you do it.

That said a server is taxed assuming a 10% tip anything less and they pay tax on money they never earned. On top of that they will tip out 10-20% of their tips for the night. So if you go in spend 100 tip 10% the sever gets 10 they pay out 2 to the bartender busser etc. They now have 8 buck. However they pay tax on 10 bucks since they are probably single no deductions that means at least 25% so that is 2.50 in tax so our dear server ends up with 5.50 for your 100 dollar meal.

I never found that to be true. Our Sunday morning rush was mostly from the Black Church across the street and they tipped far better than the white trash did.

I never found that to be true. Our Sunday morning rush was mostly from the Black Church across the street and they tipped far better than the white trash did.

#43 | POSTED BY KANREI

Dude, no... I mean, maybe that was your experience, but I waited for 3 1/2 years at 3 restaurants all through college, and sorry if it offends people but that's the way it was. If you walked away from a table with 5% it was a victory.

Fat girls are also the rudest. Which I never got. I'm bringing you food fatty, why are you treating me like shit?

Rob,

I noticed the same thing delivering pizza. I swear it did not matter how rich a neighborhood if it was a black customer there was no money to be made running a pizza there. I would love to know why. Any kindly black people on here willing to impart knowledge to us ill-infomed service sector employees.

(ok for the non-racisit part, yes some black people will tip pizza delivery guys at least I have heard that it happens it just never happened to me. I do not in any way mean to imply that all black people never tip pizza guys simply trying to find the basis for my personal experiance)

Rob,

Fat girls? Try a friggen baby shower. Oh my lord had to be my worst day ever. 15 ladies 2 pregos all drinking.

Teens are horrible too. I can't tell you how many tables of teens I would get where each would leave the change from their individual bills as a tip.

I do not in any way mean to imply that all black people never tip pizza guys simply trying to find the basis for my personal experiance

I'm not saying it was 100% of the time either. When I did a little bartending there were times where I would ring the "big tip" bell for a Black customer, but sorry that was the rare exception rather than the rule.

Oh, and old women too... they are horrendous from every aspect. They're rude, then send shit back no matter what and then they tip like its 1912... sorry you old bag but the change you left on the table doesn't go very far anymore.

I mean, maybe that was your experience, but I waited for 3 1/2 years at 3 restaurants all through college,

Good for you. I did it for 7 years, at least 10 restaurants and in three states.

Teens are horrible too. I can't tell you how many tables of teens I would get where each would leave the change from their individual bills as a tip.

#48 | POSTED BY TAOWARRIOR

Teens I can kind of excuse though because I was a poor teen and knew that money just isn't there. I knew they weren't going to tip so I didn't rush with them. But adults, people with jobs, have no excuse and that just annoys the piss out of me.

If you don't want to tip somewhere around 15-20% then stay the fuck home. Cook and serve your own damn food.

Good for you. I did it for 7 years, at least 10 restaurants and in three states.

#50 | POSTED BY KANREI

Then I'm calling bullshit on you not seeing this trend as well.

Then I'm calling bullshit on you not seeing this trend as well

That's ok, I think your entire premise is bullshit. You are trying to justify your racist beliefs with your limited experience. You waited tables in the FAMU area and walk away saying blacks don't tip? Nice sample area you did your research in.

I worked in a bar for over 4 years in New Orleans, so the rules may not apply like they do in an eatery, but I can say that it wasn't black people who were bad tippers, it was the foreigners whe NEVER tipped. The best tippers were the college girls with mommy and daddy's credit card - flirt with them a little, throw them and their friends a free shot or two, and it was money bags time.

it was the foreigners whe NEVER tipped.

I found this to be true too. That is because tipping is mostly an American tradition. They never even think about it.

You are trying to justify your racist beliefs

There's that kneejerk reaction we all knew was coming.

You waited tables in the FAMU area and walk away saying blacks don't tip? Nice sample area you did your research in.

No, not the FAMU area, Tallahassee, we were a good drive from FAM... I just worked with a good amount of great guys from there. 3 years of waiting in a city that is, I believe, 60% black... yeah I'd say I that gave me a decent experience of what was going on.

Wait, did you only work at southern country clubs and that's why you've never experienced this?

That is because tipping is mostly an American tradition.

I understand that, but these were foreign students who went out every freaking night. They knew what they were doing.

The best tippers were the college girls with mommy and daddy's credit card

Ah Sorority girls pre-gaming for a night of drinking. My favorite customers.

Server joke of the day:

What's the difference between a lesbian and a canoe?
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A canoe might tip.

No Rob.

Tampa, Fl
Orlando, Fl
Gainesville, Fl

Boulder, Co
Asheville, NC

Oakland, Ca

Tell me again about your vast single city experience.

#51 | POSTED BY ROB_THE_A_HOLE
"If you don't want to tip somewhere around 15-20% then stay the fuck home. Cook and serve your own damn food."

You: preacher
Me: choir

Tell me again about your vast single city experience.

#60 | POSTED BY KANREI

I did some in Central NY too, but there's like 5-10 black guys total up there so I'm not counting it for the purposes of this conversation.

I think you just don't want to talk about it because then you'd have to kneejerk react to your own posts and call yourself a racist.

No Rob.

Tampa was mostly black customers. So was Gainesville. Orlando was mostly Spanish, as was Asheville. Oakland was black as well. Boulder was mostly rich and white. Guess where the worst tips were.

College girls never worked out well for me, maybe I'm too fat and ugly.

A business lunch or dinner on an expense account is where the money is though. Be nice to the server and in a nice resturant you could retire on those. My largest was a 40% tip on a $280 tab. Not sure if they were too drunk to do math or just having fun, didn't care either. If I could get one expense account table a meal I knew I could at least make enough to make the time worth it. (even if all the other customers were black - kidding)

Actualy I did not notice poor tiping by race in a resturant it was not till I started doing the pizza delivery thing that I noticed it.

Oh let me guess... evil white guys.

Right... gotcha.

"I realize now comes the knee jerk, "you're a racist" replies, but anyone who has worked in a restaurant knows this isn't a stereotype."

I was wondering if this was goingto come up, I worked thoughout the service industry in college, and this was virtually always the case. Although I will also admit that the best tip percentage I ever got was from a black guy. While I worked in fine dining, this was particularly a problem, becuase you would generally only have one or two tables with $400-$500 in sales. A non-tipper meant your night had been for naught. Even the black servers didn't want to wait on black people, just because there was a pretty strong chance you weren't going to get a tip.

Working in resturants is akin to working as a garbage man

You shouldn't eat in any, then.

They spit in the food for folks like you.

#16 | Posted by silver_ironist

As a former restaurant worker (to put myself through college) it never ceased to amaze me how people could treat restaurant workers so poorly.

These people are making YOUR FOOD. And yes, a-holes got their food "accidentally" dropped on the floor (and worse) all the time.

Never said evil Rob, and you are wrong. The correct answer is Orlando was the worst tips. Nice try and pretending to be rational.

Tourists tip worst of all. Mainly because they are already spending a shit-ton of money on everything else. Race has little to do with tips. Social and economic grouping does. A poor white will not tip as fast as a poor black. This is like saying "Jews are cheap" or some other nonsense.

It used to happen to me. And it was almost never as simple as just getting stiffed. There was always some added insult, like making me run around like a maniac for them as if they were my only table, sending food back for any reason, claiming I brought them the wrong food when I wrote down their order as they gave it to me. And not uncommon was a demand to speak to the manager. Actually, getting stiffed was the rarest. It was usually a dollar left on the table. A number of times I got 15 or 20 cents.

These days every black person I know tips fairly and if the subject comes up, they'll admit that it does happen. So its not everyone.

"Fat girls are also the rudest. Which I never got. I'm bringing you food fatty, why are you treating me like shit?"

Guys on dates...trying to show off for their gals, who sometimes liked you better than their dates. That sucked in some ways, but was cool in others. Probably meant no tip, but there was also the possibility should would return later without the guy.

Have you ever seen the movie "Waiting?" That move was so spot on, from the hot hostess that was just shy of 18, to the terminally incestuous relationships within the service industry family...Good times.

Next to college girls the best tippers were other people in the service industry. Guys hitting on girls were either hit or miss. However, I would always call out a guy who would order a drink for him and a girl he was hitting on if he didn't tip - it embarrassed them into tipping.

Oh and people on coke were awesome tippers as well. What is it about coke-heads that makes them believe the are high rollers?

Best tips ever are pizza delivery after the bars close. You want to talk high percent? I would average $4 for a $11 dollar order usually.

Race has little to do with tips.

Morons usually are Rob. You should have read the story.

A new study finds many waiters and waitresses feel that black Americans generally tip less than restaurant diners who are white.

They know it? No, the FEEL it.

Jerry Fernandez, president of the Multicultural Food Alliance, which represents food servers and restaurateurs, says the expectations of a lower tip from blacks can often lead to poor service.

"If a [waiter] says, 'I don't want to wait on that table because they're black or they're Hispanic, then they tend to give less service and it's a self-fulfilling prophecy," Fernandez explains.

#75 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2010-02-26 01:58 PM | Reply | Flag

I guess because New Orleans is 60% black and most of them work in the service industry, that study wouldn't apply. My experiences certainly didn't support such a statement.

More you loser:

In addition, restaurant workers of all races dislike waiting on black people because they assume the tips will be less no matter how good the service. NPR's Juan Williams reports.

Kanrei the study found that blacks tip on average 20 percent less than whites.

Jerry Fernandez was offering his opinion on why it is, but that's just an opinion. The FACT is the study found White customers tip more than Black customers.

Harsh words too tough guy... I'm a moron, gotcha.

In addition, restaurant workers of all races dislike waiting on black people because they assume the tips will be less no matter how good the service. NPR's Juan Williams reports.

#78 | POSTED BY KANREI

And this study showed that they are right. By 20%.

I love the name calling.

No Rob, you are a Moron because you are one.

"The average tip from a black customer is about 13 percent of the bill. The average tip from a white customer is about 16.5 percent of the bill," says Dr. Michael Lynn, the study's author.

20% huh?

Average black tip 13%
Average white tip 16.5%

Wow, 20% huh?

Wow, 20% huh?

#81 | POSTED BY KANREI

Its the God Damn second sentence from the link:

The study, by a researcher at Cornell University's School of Hotel Administration, found that blacks tip on average 20 percent less than whites.

Read!

Oh let me guess... evil white guys.

Right... gotcha.

#65 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2010-02-26 01:52 PM

I love the condensation Rob. If you didn't start that, I would not have started the name calling. You talk down to me and I call you a moron. Get it?

Average black tip 13%
Average white tip 16.5%

Wow, 20% huh?

Kanrei,

on a $100 bill. One tips $3.50 more.....agreed?

$3.50 is 27% of $13. 3.5/13 = .27

one tips 27% more than the other.

..or 21% less than the other.

Average black tip 13%
Average white tip 16.5%

So now you're posting that I'm right but still won't admit it. They on average tip less. That's all I've been saying from the beginning but you had to come flying off the handle with the, "YOU'RE A RACIST! YOU'RE A RACIST!" posts. Go fuck your mother big guy... you're a PC thug who can't have a single honest conversation. You got fucking housed. Where's your study saying I'm wrong. Shit I posted from NPR, not really a conservative site, and its written by a Black reporter.

You are not right Rob.

Shit I posted from NPR, not really a conservative site, and its written by a Black reporter.

Pity you didn't read it.

You are trying to justify your racist beliefs with your limited experience.

#53 | POSTED BY KANREI

I'm sorry who was being condescending Kanrei?

"That's ok, I think your entire premise is bullshit."

It's most certainly not bullshit. I would find a black server and ask the. It was a well documented phenomenon.

"Boulder was mostly rich and white. Guess where the worst tips were."

Hugh MacColl, who preceded Ken Lewis at bank of America, used to stop in at Atlantic beer and Ice in Charlotte on occasion. He was the perfect example of the multimillionaire who preferred not to tip.

You are not right Rob.

Dude, its the second sentence of the story. Hell check Eberly's math a couple posts up.

You're a douchebag. You don't like any honest conversation about race, because in reality you're probably just another paternalistic white guy thinking he has to stand up for Black Americans because they just can't do it themselves. Fuck off. There is a study on the board that says Blacks tip less than whites. Are you trying to claim that still isn't true?

You have a study to back that up right?

You Rob.

Dude, no... I mean, maybe that was your experience, but I waited for 3 1/2 years at 3 restaurants all through college, and sorry if it offends people but that's the way it was. If you walked away from a table with 5% it was a victory.

#45 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2010-02-26 01:30 PM

3 1/2 whole years?

Then when I gave my experiance, you said "Then I'm calling bullshit on you not seeing this trend as well.

#52 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2010-02-26 01:39 PM "

Don't be a prick if you don't want it back at you.

I love posters like Rob who play both internet tough guy and martyr, depending on how they feel the debate is going.

Then when I gave my experiance, you said "Then I'm calling bullshit on you not seeing this trend as well.

Because you're obviously bullshitting. You posted it yourself:

Average black tip 13%
Average white tip 16.5%

#81 | POSTED BY KANREI

Right, but you never saw it. Horseshit.

oh, so you start by claiming I started the fight, but now admit it was you, but it was justified. Like I said, internet tough guy martyr depending on which way the wind blows, but full time joke.

I love posters like Rob who play both internet tough guy and martyr, depending on how they feel the debate is going.

#92 | POSTED BY KANREI

Who is playing martyr, I think you're being a fucking tool. I think your whole mindset is much more racist than me saying "Blacks tip less" because everyone fucking knows they do, even Blacks, but because it might be a little offensive you just can't be honest about it. You have to quickly call people out as racist so everyone can see you as "one of the good ones" right?

oh, so you start by claiming I started the fight, but now admit it was you, but it was justified.

You think someone saying, "I call bullshit" is starting a fight? Don't you have any guy friends? I've said, "I call bullshit" to my own father and he doesn't get all frumpy like you did... that's the whole reason you started calling me a racist? How 'bout you calm down a little.

You could also put up a study that says Blacks and Whites tip equally... that would shut me up pretty quick.

Who is playing martyr,

You Rob. You. You are too stupid or dishonest to see it, but you. I said I did not agree and you said I was full of shit. The disrespect started with you.

that would shut me up pretty quick.

#96 | POSTED BY ROB_THE_A_HOLE

Then again it probably wouldn't

that's the whole reason you started calling me a racist?

RIF.org will help you Rob. Until you learn how to follow a conversation, I see no point in continuing it with you.

I said I did not agree and you said I was full of shit.

I said I call bullshit on you not seeing the trend. And I stand by that statement.

Until you learn how to follow a conversation, I see no point in continuing it with you.

Do Blacks tip less than Whites?

Mercy....

I'm assuming that this thread will end with Kanrei and Rob engaging in a passionate embrace whilst locking lips . . .

Well its been fun, I gotta get to the gym so that I can order a ridiculous steak tonight... And leave a 20% tip. Who can guess my skin color?

"I said I call bullshit on you not seeing the trend. And I stand by that statement."

It is apparently a well documented trend. I actually thought it was probably racist when I first heard it myself, but alas it was true.

I was working in a bar one night...we had live music. Some retard asked if we could turn it down. I said no. he left me the amount of the bill minus one cent. The boss hooked me up with free beer at closing.

I'm assuming that this thread will end with Kanrei and Rob engaging in a passiontate embrace whilst locking lips . . .

#103 | POSTED BY ANALINGUS

LOL that get's a FF, and the Drudge UID is fantastic by the way. I don't know how you got away with that.

Kanrei,
Lick your wounds, you done got served.

When I delivered Pizza through college I used to carry pockets full of dog bones (bulk food section had them cheap). If you gave some white people's dog a biscuit they'd give a killer tip.
When you gave some black people's pit bull a biscuit they wouldn't even say "tanks".

Black people are shitty tippers. I say so, NPR says so, and the hispanic balck man Juan Williams says so.

BTW, looking back, I have no idea how I didn't lose money like a mother fucker while delivering. One hand on the bowl, the other on the food I stole from work, stoned out of my mind, and trying to shift...

Kanrei,
Lick your wounds, you done got served.

So it appears. I never encountered it once in all my years serving people. I heard the stereotype tons and I know servers think it, but I never saw it.

I never got held up in bad areas when I delivered either. The one time I did have a gun put in my face was a white guy in a trailer park.

I am not above admitting a loss. Rob kicked my ass in this thread. I tried saving face on the way down, but he covered that too.

I'm impressed that this didn't deteriorate into a discussion about the tipping patterns of Asians and Jews.

Kanrei you've always been one of my favorite posters... I ain't mad at you. I needed a good argument... hadn't had one since I came back. Its all good.

XOXOXOXOXOXO

Robby

Did you know there is a game called "Black and White?" I tried Googling "Black and White Tips" and got cheats for the game. I changed it to "Tipping rates of Blacks and White" and got the same thing.

I needed a good argument

I think I needed a good ass kicking. Thanks Rob =D

tipping patterns of Asians and Jews.

#110 | POSTED BY MODER8

As is well documented I married a Heeb... they are horrendous tippers. Well she isn't, but her family is. Whenever we go out to dinner and are leaving I always "forget my phone" at the table and then run back and throw some cash in the envelope.

I am not above admitting a loss.

#109 | Posted by kanrei at 2010-02-26 02:31 PM | Reply

You're a good egg.

I kind of miss Pizza Delivery. Tons of opportunity to jam tunes, smoke bowls, meet fucked up people, and eat free food.

I used to get pissed at the people that lived super close to the Pizza Shop and people that lived at the furthest edge of the delivery area.

ASIANS AND JEWS! Damnit! There was my deflection! SHIT! Rob, can we start over? =-D

Asians only eat at buffets.

I kind of miss Pizza Delivery. Tons of opportunity to jam tunes, smoke bowls, meet fucked up people, and eat free food.

Me too. It was the perfect job to have in your 20's during the 90's. I can't imagine it would be fun anymore though.

#114 | POSTED BY ROB_THE_A_HOLE
"Whenever we go out to dinner and are leaving I always "forget my phone" at the table and then run back and throw some cash in the envelope."

That's fucking awesome.

#117 | POSTED BY KANREI

FF!

I'm assuming that this thread will end with Kanrei and Rob engaging in a passionate embrace whilst locking lips . . .

I'd love to see it personally.

But they should save their aggression for shitbags like boob and woke.

I actually don't know about Jewish tipping trends to be honest. My uncle, my brother, and I all worked in restaurants for years, so my family always knew how important tips were.

#123 | POSTED BY KANREI

In my experience, it's a bit less than average, but not egregiously so.
Of course, to my knowledge, I've never waited on Rob's in-laws.

"Tipping is for service and should reflect its quality. Leaving nothing says less than leaving a dollar for bad service."

So if you tip poorly at a place then you don't go back because the service is bad, right?

If you tip poorly and keep going back, that just means you are cheap.

I realize now comes the knee jerk, "you're a racist" replies, but anyone who has worked in a restaurant knows this isn't a stereotype.

Actually, it is a stereotype.

But stereotypes exist for a reason-they describe the norm, not the exception.

So of course there are some black people who tip well. Most, however, do not (the bartenders at my usual watering hole bitch about this all the time...).

"I did some disgusting things to peoples food. I mean things that would probably make you lose your lunch, because they where rude, tipped lousy and made the mistake of coming back."

This is bullshit. It's your job, I don't care if you're pissed off or not. Poisoning someones food because you aren't smart enough to get a better job just shows you don't deserve a tip. Not to mention if someone like me found out you did it I'd take you into the kitchen an hold your face to the grill. States simply need to start paying restaurant staff the normal minimum wage so people don't have to tip for you to survive. Problem solved.

Uh oh Sten....you got competition.

"States simply need to start paying restaurant staff the normal minimum wage so people don't have to tip for you to survive. Problem solved."

There is no problem to solve. When you go out to eat, you should plan on spending 15-20% of the bill for food on service. If you show up to a restaurant expecting not to tip, you're either an idiot or a cheap asshole.

The only reason to demand the restaurant just pay people more and add the cost to your bill would be that some people are too stupid to figure out percentages.

When you go out to eat, you should plan on spending 15-20% of the bill for food on service. If you show up to a restaurant expecting not to tip, you're either an idiot or a cheap asshole.

Bullshit.

They still have to earn their tips.

Servers are neither entitled nor deserve a tip for simply being there.

"Bullshit.

They still have to earn their tips.

Servers are neither entitled nor deserve a tip for simply being there."

See, now I just think you are cheap. Because all I said is you should plan on tipping and you scream bullshit. So do plan on not tipping? Where the fuck are you eating where more often than not the wait staff doesn't "earn" a tip? LOL.

If you get shitty service, then you can not tip or give a low tip. That's not the norm though. When I say you should plan on tipping, that is because 99% of the time there is no reason not to tip.

It shouldn't be that hard to "earn" the tip. People who have these ridiculous standards for what constitutes good service are typically just cheapskates looking for an excuse to be cheap. I've never gone out to eat with someone who wants to take money out of the tip because "she wasn't that good" (notice no specifics) who wasn't a completely cheap motherfucker in every othe aspect of their life as well.

JPW,

Since the government taxes servers at 10% of their food sales no matter what the tips are then they are aparently entitled to at least 10% if not why would the government tax them on money they might or might not make?

See, now I just think you are cheap. Because all I said is you should plan on tipping and you scream bullshit. So do plan on not tipping? Where the fuck are you eating where more often than not the wait staff doesn't "earn" a tip? LOL.
If you get shitty service, then you can not tip or give a low tip. That's not the norm though. When I say you should plan on tipping, that is because 99% of the time there is no reason not to tip.

That's fine if you think I'm cheap, however I do always tip.

I give the benefit of the doubt to bad waiters and rarely give less than 15%, and only then it's when it's obvious that it is the waiter themselves that are poor at their job.

Good service gets 20% and really good service only goes up from there.

I just don't like the sense of entitlement waiters and waitresses have that they automatically deserve 15%.

JPW,
Since the government taxes servers at 10% of their food sales no matter what the tips are then they are aparently entitled to at least 10% if not why would the government tax them on money they might or might not make?

I think wait staff should be paid normal minimum wage, thus making tips what they should be-a reward for good service-and not directly paying the employees because the owner doesn't.

When I was a kid I called a waitress fat. She spit in our tables food. My father caught her and arrested her. . . . The waitress received 18 months in jail but she did lose weight in jail

Seems kinda harsh. Couldn't your father have just divorced her instead?

"I just don't like the sense of entitlement waiters and waitresses have that they automatically deserve 15%."

If they do their job, they should get at least 15%. People who don't tip are more out of line for not tipping than the waiter is for getting pissed after being stiffed.

Mr. Pink: I'm very sorry the government taxes their tips, that's fucked up. That ain't my fault. It would seem to me that waitresses are one of the many groups the government fucks in the ass on a regular basis. Look, if you ask me to sign something that says the government shouldn't do that, I'll sign it, put it to a vote, I'll vote for it, but what I won't do is play ball. And as for this non-college bullshit I got two words for that: learn to fuckin' type, 'cause if you're expecting me to help out with the rent you're in for a big fuckin' surprise.

Sully, you are a true JACKASS and spitting in people's food is a crime. I have always tipped my waiter or waitress... but at the same time, it is called a "gratuity" for a reason. I'm guessing on top of this, Sully, you probably cheated on your taxes, right? Somebody that spits in people's food because he didn't get a big enough tip for his lousy attitude probably also under-reported (cheated, lied) on his taxes.
I'm guessing you're also a hypocrite and probably were upset when Tom Daschle and Tim Geithner cheated on their taxes. You're a real douchebag, Sully... hopefully your current job has you nowhere around food and hopefully all of your income is on your W-2.

"You're a real douchebag, Sully... hopefully your current job has you nowhere around food and hopefully all of your income is on your W-2."

Well, the only real solution is not to eat out, because there will always be douchebags like this. Learn to cook. I can make a better Kung Pao/Gong Bao chicken than most Chinese restaurants anyway.

#45 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2010-02-26 01:30 PM
***"Dude, no... I mean, maybe that was your experience, but I waited for 3 1/2 years at 3 restaurants all through college"

Man, those three restuaraunts sure had slow service; I would have probably just left after the first year or-so...

;~}

Figures:

"Bad tippers and bitter waitresses"

"Michael Moore, 3% tip
Barbra Streisand, 2% tip
Jessie Jackson 9% tip
Sen. John Kerry, 2% tip
Sen. John Edwards, 2% tip
VP Al Gore. 8% tip
Sean Penn, 0% tip. Nada. Zip. Zero
Yes, President Bush and VP Cheney made the website as well. But who is claiming them as champions of the poor and oppressed victims, advocating extra government payments to make up for past suffering, etc.?"

This stupid, ignorant hillbilly should stick to Mickey Dees,she doesn't have enough class to dine in that Japanese restaurant, what a cheap bitch, I feel sorry for her husband, and family. This type of behavior is an embarrassment.

I can make a better Kung Pao/Gong Bao chicken than most Chinese restaurants anyway.

Well no shit.

You're actually using chicken and not stray cat/dog.

Garbage fed feral animal is never tasty.

My experience with Japanese restaurants is that the servers are usually rude and in a hurry. And, what's with the Mexican Sushi & Teppan chef?

In my last job, Corner Bakery Cafe catering, it was demeaning to have to tip-out to my undocumented counterparts. They were "best in class" at the presentation and production -- but, the interactions of customer service/delivery was all me...the food sold itself.

I rmember when I played basketball. I threw a basketball in this kids face and broke his nose. The kids father complained to my father. My father choked him out and then gave him a ticket for a broken tail light.

Spud calls shenanigans.

On that story and the one where the "fat waitress" spit in yer tables food and went to jail for 18 months.

Spud's beginning to feel that StunnedWilly is really just tImbecile with a new schtick.

On Topic?

Don't eat out if you don't wanna tip.

People in the food services industry have to pay out to the house on their bills and if you don't tip it's like taking money out of their pocket.

Many years ago when Spud used to work in a restaurant there was this lawyer dude who showed up every week or so and never tipped. Not only did he never tip but he made a point of explaining to his dining companion his philosophy of why "only suckers tip".

Never tried banning him or forcing a tip on him.

That noted, he did leave of his own volition when the "food quality started to decline" in his inestimable opinion. Guess he finally figured out that he had been eating shit that woulda made a billy goat puke fer a while.

He drank piss-beer, ate booger burgers and ass crack flavored tortillas among other things.

Always wondered if it was the shit eating grin on the part of the entire wait staff and cooks that tipped him off or whether it was the shit he ate.

Bottom line? Don't fuck with people who bring you yer food.

Be Well.

#148 | Posted by dethspud at 2010-02-27 03:53 PM

I agree; I am always courteous, thankful and generous to wait staff. Not only because of the reasons you stated, but because it just seems like part of the deal: if you want a good overall dining experience be conducive to that, in every way possible...

Oh BTW Spud, congrats to Canada on a great winter Olympics; I watched the Canadian woman snowboarder (her name eludes me) fly to victory, and the whole Canadian Olympic Team did very well. I was amazed at the hospitality of B.C. as-well-as its incredible beauty. And, you guys were even nice to Colbert, which is somewhat of a surprise given the banter prior to his visit... It was just a great Olympics overall; thanks Canada...

I am always courteous, thankful and generous to wait staff. Not only because of the reasons you stated, but because it just seems like part of the deal: if you want a good overall dining experience be conducive to that, in every way possible...

~Captain of Uranus.

Totally agree.

Oh BTW Spud, congrats to Canada on a great winter Olympics; I watched the Canadian woman snowboarder (her name eludes me) fly to victory, and the whole Canadian Olympic Team did very well. I was amazed at the hospitality of B.C. as-well-as its incredible beauty

Thank you fer them kind werds.

Spud is impressed by all the Yankee tourists who are here reveling in the streets alongside the locals. It's a total party atmosphere here. It seems a good time is being had by all. The US continues to dominate the games with a total medal count of 35 atm.

Spud just re-checked the medal count 1 minute ago.

Seems Canada now has 12 freaking gold medals and a total of 23 medals in all making us one away from tying our all time record. That one is a given cos of tomorrow nights Hockey game so really we just need one more medal fer this to be the best Olympics in Canadian history in terms of total medals won, Gold medals won and Gold medals won on home soil.

The trifecta beckons.

Spud is stoked!

And, you guys were even nice to Colbert, which is somewhat of a surprise given the banter prior to his visit...

Canadians have a good sense of humor.

We get and totally appreciate Stephen Colbert's playfullness in regards this Olympics and, of course, all the additional publicity he's garnered for it with his TV antics.

It was just a great Olympics overall thanks Canada...

Yer ever so welcome and thanx again fer thinking it didn't suck.

Others were less kind.

Despite a rocky start, the tragedy of the luge competitors death, a lack of snow on local mountains and some mechanical troubles we eventually managed to get it together and Spud thinks it's been a heckuva good show all in all.

^_^

Be Well.

/Think the women yer thinking of there was Maelle Ricker who won the snowboard cross.
//Shaun White the American who won the Half-pipe gold on Wednesday was wicked cool too.

Seems Canada now has 12 freaking gold medals and a total of 23 medals in all making us one away from tying our all time record.

Amazing for a country of 30 million...

I've thoroughly enjoyed watching the Olympics. Vancouver did a fantastic job.

I've thoroughly enjoyed watching the Olympics. Vancouver did a fantastic job.

TY, AU!

Spud's watching the curling now.

Kevin Martin is about to kick some serious ass and take another gold!!!!

This so rawks.

Be Well.

Spud's watching the curling now.

The pinnacle of anyone's Winter Olympic viewing experience! LOL

Curling? You must be stoned.

OK, that's bad. Hey, curling rocks.

Never mind...

Hockey's tomorrow, right?

The pinnacle of anyone's Winter Olympic viewing experience! LOL

Kevin Martin is putting on a clinic right now.

Norway started with the Hammer and Martin has stolen 3 so far!

This is soooooooo sweeet!

Seriously need more beer now but don't wanna stop watching.

Is dilema!

Curling? You must be stoned.

OK, that's bad. Hey, curling rocks.

Stone? Rock? Ha! You have watched curling before!

Hockey's tomorrow, right?

Yeppers!

Unless you wanna just surrender right here and now.

No?

K, see you on the ice.

Be Well.

/K, really gone now.

Yer on...
I remember where I was watching the 1980 US team beat the USSR. Can't say this will be a similar experience, but I will try to watch some of it. We are a host family for our church's Sunday night Bible study... so that'll chew up from 6 - 8:30pm. Hopefully the game won't be decided during that timeframe.

When is the game on, eastern time?

Well, the only real solution is not to eat out...

#140 | Posted by nullifidian

That might explain why you're an old man and still single.

That sumbitch ain't gonna snap your nose off, Null.

I promise.

I'd much rather eat at home than at a restaurant.

Way too expensive...not even including the tip.

My office is on Stratford Road... at least it's the same road, though it changes names from the city of Winston-Salem to the Village of Clemmons.

I've heard of this place but haven't eaten there. I don't eat food I can't spell or if it smells like my old gym shoes. Dont' do well with spices, either.

I don't know why a person would bother trying to get back in the good graces of a place which doesn't want them. Heck, you can go online and get very deep discounts for most any sit-down place you want to go to. Go somewhere else, especially if you're a cheapskate. No one wants to wait on you. Maybe she should be a server to appreciate the whole scene.

#156 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

Hey trustfund ranch boy, you don't know shit about me, so don't pretend to.

Bait Trolling for Suckers!

Lots and lots of of rich and famous people worked in restaurants - for instance Jay Leno worked at McDonalds and many of todays Restraunt owners and even "Celebrity Chefs" started off working as bus boys or dish washwashers!

That said this no_tip woman may very well have had here life saved by being "barred" from eating "sushi" which as Terry Bradshaw said "is nothing more than "bait"!"