Stop Digging. Put down the shovel. Get out of the hole.

"Climate Experts: 2010 Was The Hottest January Ever !!!"

Biggest red flag in this headline: The word "experts".

Hottest January in 74 years in Spud's neck of the woods.

Hottest in the world?

Yeah, when you measure the entire globe that's true.

Despite all anomalous readings in the UK and US the far north and south continue to warm unseasonably.

The Deniers will never believe the reality that AGW is a fact, not even when the other shoe drops as it inevitably will.

Be Well.

Deth, I am 50 iq points smarter then you

You have an IQ of 204?

Spud's impressed!

Be Well.

#3 | Posted by dethspud

So lemme get this straight - "Deniers" are predicating their most recent arguments by pointing to the visciousness of this winter in the Northeast and you guys rightly deride them for equating weather with climate. Now, you are going to use weather in Vancouver to predicate your argument the 'deniers' will never see AGW as fact?

Is that about right?

So lemme get this straight - "Deniers" are predicating their most recent arguments by pointing to the visciousness of this winter in the Northeast and you guys rightly deride them for equating weather with climate. Now, you are going to use weather in Vancouver to predicate your argument the 'deniers' will never see AGW as fact?

Nope.

Good try though.

Spud is saying that although the lower temperatures in the American South and in the UK may seem counter-intuitive to the idea of Anthropogenic Global Warming it really isn't if you look at the big picture. The Vancity 74 year record cite was just to indicate that there is a plethora of data.

K?

Be Well.

Spud is saying that although the lower temperatures in the American South and in the UK may seem counter-intuitive to the idea of Anthropogenic Global Warming it really isn't if you look at the big picture.

I've got no problem with that - although that isn't how I construed your initial comment. Thanks for the clarification.

the reality that AGW is a fact

1. Climategate and glaciergate exposed wilfull manipulation of data toward a desired end; a blatant attempt to rig the peer-review process and unacceptably shoddy scientific practices.

2. The number of weather stations used for data gathering has been reduced from about 6,000 to about 1,500 with a clear bias against stations in colder regions.

3.

Shit, a majority of my post got deleted.

Let's try again.

3.

Climategate and glaciergate exposed wilfull manipulation of data toward a desired end; a blatant attempt to rig the peer-review process and unacceptably shoddy scientific practices.

There was no smoking gun indicating a willfull manipulation of the data despite many RW cries to the contrary.

Climategate is a huge fizzle without any bang.

At the end of the day getting hackers to steal info in order to try and discredit AGW science is just further proof of the desperation of the large energy concerns who are fighting the awareness of AGW the same way the tobacco companies denied links between cancer and smoking fer decades. Using the same techniques and in many case the same mercenary scientists for hire.

Glaciergate is even lamer.

The Glaciers are disappearing, that some say 25 years and some say 300 is not evidence of anything but the reality of AGW.

K?

Be Well.

THEFEAR open up your blog again!!!! I have completed my research and need to tell you my findings.

One more time...

Stop Digging. Put down the shovel. Get out of the hole.
#1 | Posted by STIRSUMUP

When your enemies dig their own graves, just let them. And yes, these people are our enemies, anyone who wants to take our freedom using junk science is an enemy.

Climategate is a huge fizzle without any bang.

What?

They admitted to wilfully manipulating data.

They bragged about jobbing the peer-review process.

They schemed to get around FoIA requests.

NONE of that concerns you?

Glaciergate is even lamer.

The IPCC (that little organization who are lawmakers rely on to set policy based upon their reports) reported that Himilayan glaciers would melt within 35 years or so. The source of their report was a single, non peer-reviewed article in a magazine.

That degree of shoddiness doesn't concern you at all?

What other shoddiness has been employed but remains uncovered?

desperation of the large energy concerns who are fighting the awareness of AGW

Let's turn it the other way - currently an entire market exists for inefficient and non-competitive energy sources under the auspice of AGW apcolyptic predictions. These energy industries get massive tax-payer subsidies in order to put their non-competitive product on the market. Without the scare of AGW alarmism, the public would never stand for these subsidies and as such their entire industry would die in the market. Yet, while AGW alarmism certainly takes a dent out of carbon-based energy as other forms of energy are heavily subsidized and thus used, they still remain relevant.

Who benefits more - those profiting off AGW alarmism or those benefitting from AGW apathy?

If you are going to play 'follow the money' at least have the intellectual honesty to do so accross the board.

At the end of the day getting hackers to steal info in order to try and discredit AGW science

Shoot the messenger? Seriously, fuck East Anglia. They thoroughly corrupted the scientific process and deserved to have their criminalities exposed.

We are having the coldest, and most snow fall winter since 65/66.
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Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995
By Jonathan Petre

My barn roof collapsed last Saturday from the weight of 4 feet of snow.

#21 | Posted by JeffnDenmark at 2010-02-26 08:27 AM | Reply | Flag: missed the point entirely, what a surprise

Not real bright, are you Jeff?

Give it up Zat.
Only the most gullible still believe the GW lie.
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UN exaggerated warming 6-fold: the scare is over

SPPI's authoritative Monthly CO2 Report for July 2009 announces the publication of a major paper by Professor Richard Lindzen of MIT, demonstrating by direct measurement that outgoing long-wave radiation is escaping to space far faster than the UN predicts, showing that the UN has exaggerated global warming 6-fold.Report, page 3.

Lindzen's paper on outgoing long-wave radiation shows the "global warming" scare is over. Thanks to recent peer reviewed papers that have not been mentioned in the mainstream news media, we now know that the effect of CO2 on temperature is small, we know why it is small, and we know that it is having very little effect on the climate. Page 3.

The IPCC assumes CO2 concentration will reach 836 ppmv by 2100, but, for almost eight years, CO2 concentration has headed straight for only 570 ppmv by 2100. This alone halves all of the IPCC's temperature projections. Pages 5-6.

Since 1980 temperature has risen at only 2.5 F (1.5 C)/century, not the 7 F (3.9 C) the IPCC imagines. Pages 7-9.

Sea level rose just 8 inches in the 20th century and has been rising at just 1 ft/century since 1993. Sea level has scarcely risen since 2006. Also, Pacific atolls are not being drowned by the sea, as some have suggested. Pages 10-12.

Arctic sea-ice extent is about the same as it has been at this time of year in the past decade. In the Antarctic, sea ice extent on a 30-year rising trend reached a record high in 2007. Global sea ice extent shows little trend for 30 years. Pages 13-15.

Hurricane and tropical-cyclone activity is at its lowest since satellite measurement began. Page 16.

Solar activity has declined again, after a large sunspot earlier in the month. The Sun is still very quiet. Pages 17-18.

The (very few) benefits and the (very large) costs of the Waxman/Markey Bill are illustrated at Pages 19-21.

My barn roof collapsed last Saturday from the weight of 4 feet of snow.

#21 | Posted by JeffnDenmark

Jeff, 'barn', 'roof', '4 ft' and 'snow' are all subjective things. We need real measurements.

Like 'how do you feel?' and 'will it help me get a grant for my research project?' Everyone knows those are more in line with our current reality.

I love the way these so-called scientists have crystal clear visions of future doom, but have total blindness to the natural recurring cycles of the past.

But if we are indignant enough, maybe we can stave off that coming ice-age.

If you wish to have a grant for writing a paper on, say... The habits of tree squirrels in the Northwest.

You should title it, The habits of tree squirrels in the Northwest, and the related effects of global warming.

Climategate prof raked in $22.6 million in grants

University of East Anglia Professor Phil Jones, the head of the Climate Research Unit that fudged data in order to con people into believing Global Warming, raked in 13.7 million ($22.6 million) in grants, Frank Beckmann of the Detroit News reported.

Beckmann wrote:

As Jones wrote to one-time United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change lead author John Christy in one of his e-mails, "I would like to see the climate change happen, so the science could be proved right, regardless of the consequences. This isn't being political, it is being selfish."

He had 22.6 million reasons to write that.

NONE of that concerns you?

Of course it does but not as much as some other stuff.

Basically, Spud's bottom line here is that the vast majority of the globes scientists are convinced the AGW is a a reality and Spud is gonna side with them.

Spud is rather concerned with the disconnect between global scientific opinion and public opinion.

Spud puts that down to a deliberate misinformation campaign.

97 percent of all published climatologists believe in the science that supports the AGW theory.

77 percent of published Earth Scientists say the same thing.

Only 49 percent of American currently believe that.

Only 30 percent of Republicans believe that.

When you get down to self identified Conservative Republican the number drop to 23 percent.

About the same number who believe in evolution, oddly enuff.

Other things that concern Spud are the constant attacks on the science of AGW launched by people who are either in the pocket of the concerns who will be most affected by a switch to cleaner energy tech (Read that "GOPhers") or paid directly by them (read that "mercenary psuedo-scientists").

The disinformation wars are being fought with the same techniques and tactics that Big Tobacco used fer decades to keep the co-relation between smoking and cancer minimalized.

See also Imoffmymeds infamous "400 list" or the long discredited "Oregon Petition".

Any of that shit concern you, Jeff?

Be Well.

97 percent of all published climatologists believe in the science that supports the AGW theory.

They also have grant money reflexively given to them every time they perform a study. Going further, much of climatology is statistical and quite frequently climatologists lack the background to delve as deeply into statistics as they do.

Other things that concern Spud are the constant attacks on the science of AGW launched by people who are either in the pocket of the concerns who will be most affected by a switch to cleaner energy tech (Read that "GOPhers") or paid directly by them (read that "mercenary psuedo-scientists").

It happens and I share your concerns about it. Having said that, you failed to address my 'follow the money' counter. Those profiting off AGW alarmism have a hell of a lot more to lose than those profiting off AGW apathy.

The biggest problem I have with all of this is the utterly false apocolyptic predictions tied to AGW and the proposed 'solutions' (Capntrade/Kyoto).

"The biggest problem I have with all of this is the utterly false apocolyptic predictions tied to AGW and the proposed 'solutions'"

Yeah, but DeadPud gets his predictions and solutions from the winos in his neighborhood and the the articles written by freshmen EnglishComp students passing their work off as "science." He relies a lot upon Zat's pool too.

Not real bright, are you Jeff?

#22 | Posted by Zatoichi

LOL this coming from the 1 in 5 people who still believe in Globalgate and the Easter bunny. ZAT you remind me of FOREST GUMP not real bright but funny as hell...

Any of that shit concern you, Jeff?

Be Well.

#27 | Posted by dethspud

It concerns me.

Being a sentient potato in a dumb and dumber world has to be tough too. I am seeing the misinformation/propaganda war intensify and it scares me way more than any glaciers melting (unless I plan to stand on one) or the arctic ice cap melting.

I live at 200 feet elevation here on the North Coast so I should be fine for as long as I live here from rising seas and any extreme weather but you can't escape the effects of a "stupidity" wave.

The current housing and banking/credit crisis being a good example of that.

BTW- Spud, Gratz on yer girls winning the Hockey Gold!

Yeah, when you measure the entire globe that's true.

Despite all anomalous readings in the UK and US the far north and south continue to warm unseasonably.

The Deniers will never believe the reality that AGW is a fact, not even when the other shoe drops as it inevitably will.

Be Well.

#3 | Posted by dethspud at 2010-02-26 05:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

Just one completely ludicrous declaration after another that attempts to ameliorate the latest facts that directly contradict their fraud.

And yes, these people are our enemies, anyone who wants to take our freedom using junk science is an enemy.

LOL you're not disturbingly melodramatic in the least.

Just one completely ludicrous declaration after another that attempts to ameliorate the latest facts that directly contradict their fraud.

www.nytimes.com

#33 | Posted by L_RContrarian

Just what exactly was your link supposed to prove, LRcocksucker?

From dipshit's link-

Dr. Kirby Hanson, the meteorologist who led the study, said in a telephone interview that the findings concerning the United States do not necessarily ''cast doubt'' on previous findings of a worldwide trend toward warmer temperatures, nor do they have a bearing one way or another on the theory that a buildup of pollutants is acting like a greenhouse and causing global warming. He said that the United States occupies only a small percentage of Earth's surface and that the new findings may be the result of regional variations.

What, you mean there's debate amongst atmospheric scientists regarding the cause of global warming? Say it ain't so...

Water Vapor: The Next Eco-Scare

Guess what dumbfuck, it's all related.

Water vapor is a crucial component of the green house affect. However, if you increase other components and cause even a slight rise in temperature you change the capacity of the atmosphere to hold water vapor. This increases the temperature a little more which increases the water vapor content...

Get it?

1972: 'Worse than Hitler': 'Population Bomb' author Paul Ehrlich Warned of 'Unpredictable climatic effects'; Called on U.S. to 'de-develop'; suggested adding a forced sterilization agent to 'staple food' and 'water supply'

Typical LRcocksucker dumbfuckery that isn't even worth responding to.

Yeah yeah I know, ad hominem.

#36 jpw
Forget adhominem, moron. Do you think your brainless stunt of calling me a few choice names, you can get back a few credibility points with the DR community? YOu are a totally discredited blind apparachik vax FRAUD.

Like you know anything about the next fraud scare using water vapor. Naturally you would attempt to support it, the fraud that you are. AdHominem/yes to the 1972 comments. Since you couldn't possibly justify the rantings of a completely discredited lunatic, Paul Ehrlich.

Perhaps I should have spelled it out better for the blind paid anti-blogger scum that only serve to distract from the point.

#33 l_r
Just one completely ludicrous [suggestion] after another that attempts to ameliorate the latest facts that directly contradict their fraud.

Dr. Hanson said that global warming caused by the greenhouse effect might have been countered by some cooling phenomenon that has not yet been identified and that the readings in his study recorded the net effect.

''We have to be careful about interpreting things like this,'' he said. What About Urbanization? A number of scientists have theorized that the replacement of forests and pastures by asphalt streets and concrete buildings, which retain heat, is an important cause of rising temperatures.

Dr. Hansen of NASA said today that he had ''no quarrel'' with the findings in the new study. He noted that the United States covered only 1.5 percent of Earth.

We are just arguing now about whether the global warming effect is large enough to see, he added. ''It is not suprising we are not seeing it in a region that covers only 1.5 percent of the globe.''

Dr. Hansen said there were several ways to look at the temperature readings for the United States, including as a ''statistical fluke.'' Possibililty of Countereffects

Another possibility, he said, was that there were special conditions in the United States that would tend to offset a warming trend. For example, industrial activity produces dust and other solid particles that help form liquid droplets in the atmosphere. These droplets reflect radiation away from Earth and thus have a cooling influence.

Statistical fluke? 100 years worth. Is the warming visible enough, lol? "special conditions/cooling we haven't found yet"? Only 1.5% of the earth [yet this 1.5% has never showed trend of warming]

Coincidentally with the new report, legislation was introduced in the Senate today prescribing actions for addressing the threat of global warming. Senator Al Gore.... The bill would also require a ban on industrial chemicals that not only are depleting the atmosphere's ozone layer, which blocks harmful ultraviolet radiation, but are believed to be contributing to the warming trend.

Ozone layer depletion? Where have we heard this one before? Oh yeah! It was the CFC's FRAUD scare of the 80's!!! Leave it to AL GORE, fraud/rackateering/scamster #1 to come up with this one.

Water Vapor: The Next Eco-Scare

Guess what dumbfuck, it's all related.

Water vapor is a crucial component of the green house affect. However, if you increase other components and cause even a slight rise in temperature you change the capacity of the atmosphere to hold water vapor. This increases the temperature a little more which increases the water vapor content...

Get it?
#36 | Posted by jpw

aka - the greenhouse effect is GOOD - - it prevents Earth from becoming a dead frozen ball floating thru space

I do understand why folks like you need all the bureaucratic agencies you can muster to just get along, however IMHO all-y'all on the gvt dole should have limited 1rst Amentment rights & not be allowed to own property

just sayin', some find your parroted viewpoints wacky because U R dependent on others for your talking points

LR, you are the queen of copy and paste. You have no room to bitch.

the greenhouse effect is GOOD - - it prevents Earth from becoming a dead frozen ball floating thru space

Too little and we freeze, too much and we bake. Can you find a way to shoehorn that concept into your obnoxious black-and-white worldview?

IMHO all-y'all on the gvt dole should have limited 1rst Amentment rights & not be allowed to own property

In my opinion, people as fucking retarded as you should be sterilized.

In my opinion, people as fucking retarded as you should be sterilized.

#42 | Posted by ZombieHunter

a simple "thank you" would be appropriate

beware, the gravy train U R on won't last forever

Forget adhominem, moron. Do you think your brainless stunt of calling me a few choice names, you can get back a few credibility points with the DR community? YOu are a totally discredited blind apparachik vax FRAUD.

LOL you're one delusional SOB.

How much time a day do they let the patients use the intertoobs?

Like you know anything about the next fraud scare using water vapor. Naturally you would attempt to support it, the fraud that you are.

I don't know a ton about it. However, the entire thing was explained to me as much as it could be by an atmostpheric science friend over many beers one night and he talked about the overarching importance of water vapor. The important concept to grasp, however, is the inter-related cyclic nature of the entire thing and how that feeds into the atmosphere's ability to hold more water vapor.

The problem with you is you want to treat it like it's simple and call anyone else who doesn't agree with you stupid, despite the fact that you're the stupid one who can't grasp concepts beyond what can be explained in only two syllable words.

AdHominem/yes to the 1972 comments. Since you couldn't possibly justify the rantings of a completely discredited lunatic, Paul Ehrlich.

Why would I care to?

#34 | Posted by markh

Is this post some sort of joke?

just sayin', some find your parroted viewpoints wacky because U R dependent on others for your talking points . . . absent any critical thinking in your part

If stating known climate science is being "dependent on others," then yes I am dependent on others.

If by critical thinking you mean 'make shit up to fit my world view and chalk it up to supposed common sense,' then no, I'm not a critical thinker.

aka - the greenhouse effect is GOOD - - it prevents Earth from becoming a dead frozen ball floating thru space

Did I say that?

I do understand why folks like you need all the bureaucratic agencies you can muster to just get along, however IMHO all-y'all on the gvt dole should have limited 1rst Amentment rights & not be allowed to own property

I understand why folks like you need to assign positions to others and categorize them in your little shithole of a mind just to get along. The world is much more complex and contains many more shades of grey than you'd like to acknowledge.

I'm done having kids . . . however "production" by people like me AND my kids keep you fed, clothed, & sheltered . . .

a simple "thank you" would be appropriate

beware, the gravy train U R on won't last forever

So this is all you've got? Accusing others of being on welfare just because they don't agree with your opinions on a topic?

Damn your lame and simple.

Damn your lame and simple.

#40 | Posted by jpw

2010 Was The Hottest January Ever !!!

It's a little soon to be making such a proclamation.

I seem to remember October 2008 being touted as the hottest October ever. It turns out that NASA screwed up and rolled September's numbers into October.

I'll wait a couple more months at least before believing this claim - more time to sift through the numbers.

"2010 Was The Hottest January Ever !!!"

LMBO

Ok.