Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Wednesday, February 24, 2010

Angie Jackson, a blogger and mother, is openly talking about her abortion on YouTube, her personal blog, and on Twitter under the hashtag #livetweetingabortion. Last Thursday, Jackson visited a Planned Parenthood where her doctor gave her the first dose of RU-486, the abortion pill. "I'm doing this to de-mystify abortion," she says. "I'm doing this so other women know, 'Hey, it's not nearly as terrifying as I had myself worked up thinking it was.' It's just not that bad."

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I'm pro-choice, but I'd call her a baby killing whore. What a twat.

This is sick. She has attention problems.

And isn't RU 486 'abortion light' where it stops the baby before it becomes remotely close to developing?

She's four weeks pregnant. The fetus at that stage is a blastocyst that does not yet have a brain, spinal cord, heart or other organs. If you believe in abortion rights at all, I don't see how you can suggest she's doing anything wrong by sharing her experience to help other woman in the same circumstance.

It's real easy to say in advanced, "no big deal". It hits so many after the fact and they live with it for the rest of their lives. Beyond that, this is obviously a very immature person.

I wonder why rcade would choose to post such a story? It's actually not a surprise at all. The globalist ideal is to delegitimize the family unit at all levels.

I posted this back a few months ago: 1969 Speech: New Order of Barbarians

Topics Day discusses are: "Population control; permission to have babies; redirecting the purpose of sex - sex without reproduction and reproduction without sex; contraception universally available to all; sex education and carnalising of youth as a tool of world government; tax funded abortion as population control; encouraging homosexuality ... anything goes homosexuality also was to be encouraged; technology used for reproduction without sex; families to diminish in importance; euthanasia and the "demise pill"; limiting access to affordable medical care makes eliminating elderly easier; medicine would be tightly controlled; elimination of private doctors; new difficult to diagnose and untreatable diseases; suppressing cancer cures as a means of population control; inducing heart attacks as a form of assassination; education as a tool for accelerating the onset of puberty and evolution; blending all religions ... the old religions will have to go; changing the bible through revisions of key words; restructuring education as a tool of indoctrination; more time in schools, but pupils "wouldn't learn anything"; controlling who has access to information; schools as the hub of the community; "some books would just disappear from the libraries"; changing laws to promote moral and social chaos; the encouragement of drug abuse to create a jungle atmosphere in cities and towns; promote alcohol abuse; restrictions on travel; the need for more jails, and using hospitals as jails; no more psychological or physical security; crime used to manage society; curtailment of US industrial pre-eminence; shifting populations and economies -tearing out the social roots; sports as a tool of social engineering and change; sex and violence inculcated through entertainment; travel restrictions and implanted I.D. cards; food control; weather control; know how people respond -making them do what you want; falsified scientific research; use of terrorism; surveillance, implants, and televisions that watch you; home ownership a thing of the past; the arrival of the totalitarian global system."

If you believe in abortion rights at all, I don't see how you can suggest she's doing anything wrong

My biggest question from the video is who fucked that she-beast? Fuck her. I hope some day she needs an organ transplant and this kid was the only match.

Attention seeking fuckhole...

she sounds like a classy lady

What is this gash trying to prove anyway?

that's about as sad as it gets

Gash may be my favorite derogatory word for a woman...

She's a woman with a special needs four year old whose birth control failed, leaving her with the decision about whether to risk having another kid when the first one is all she can handle. She explains the decision here:

link

She's also somebody who grew up in a miserable existence in her grandmother's wacko religious cult:

link

After this, she could run for public office in Marin County or Madison, WI and win in a landslide.

What is there to demystify about RU-486? You take a pill, your abortion ends. What are women confused about here? She's providing no service, she's just another idiot woman who can't figure out you have to take the pill every day...

www.youtube.com">Men vs. Women/a>

"The fetus at that stage is a blastocyst that does not yet have a brain, spinal cord, heart or other organs."

Uh-huh. And in seven more days, week five, the heart, lungs and umbilical cord take form.

Nice job, rcade. Way to error on doing no harm.

Tool!

Fuck my HTML skills are lacking lately...

Men v. Women

Men v. Women

#15 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Bitches, please!

LOL!!!

Uh-huh. And in seven more days, week five, the heart, lungs and umbilical cord take form.

And if you believe every conception has a right to life, it's a terrible thing to abort a fetus at four weeks. But most of us do not believe that.

>But most of us do not believe that.

That's not what you intimated. You wrote:
1) she's at 4 weeks
2) at 4 weeks, it's just goo

Yet at 5 weeks, it's much more than goo.

So at least have the decency to call a spade a spade.

You're killing a baby. Good luck w/ that.

And as far as "we". Do you know how many women changed their minds about abortion once ultra-sounds became feasible and available?

And do you know which group is actively discouraging ultra-sounds?

Of course you do.

Talk about keeping women in the dark...

Yea, great reason Rcade:

"I don't want to be pregnant" is a *good enough* reason to get an abortion!

More great reasoning...

This is not a child; this is a squatter which could potentially become a child.

I love the whole "potentially" thing. What else will "potentially" become...a turtle?

#4. Blogmeister Rcade,
You are flat out wrong. At that stage, the "little one" (literally "fetus) has a heart, measurable heartbeat and measurable brainwaves.

Too bad she can't report the heartbeat actually stopping--THE method that abortionists use to make sure the fetus is dead.

Too bad she can't stand next to the person who has to reassemble the tiny baby parts to make sure all the arms, legs and skull pieces.

Too bad she won't likely still be tweeting when she's subsequently suicidal, gets breast cancer or subsequent children are born with severe birth defects...I'm all for accurate info so people can make a better CHOICE

It boils down to want...she has two pregnancies. One she wanted and viewed as a child. The other she doesn't and views as a "tapeworm" or "infection". How we try to rationalize things to justify our actions

that's not rigatoni down there...

And-as I would expect-the anti-women crowd is pissing themselves with a fit over this......

Interesting that she says this...

My mom and dad had separated while I was in the womb

But I thought it's not a person.

Wow, even Planned Parenthood is trying to peddle free WiFi.

"Do you know how many women changed their minds about abortion once ultra-sounds became feasible and available?
#18 | Posted by happyending"

42.

#4 | Posted by rcade:

Week 2:
The embryo now receives nutrients from the rich blood supply to the uterus. The embryo now consists of two layers of cells, roughly an "inside" layer and an "outside" layer.

Week 3:
A third cell layer has appeared, roughly a "middle" layer. The inner, outer, and middle layers of cells are destined to become different tissues in the developing fetus, such as skin and nerves, intestines, and muscle. The heart has begun to pump; the brain and spinal cord begin as a tube-like structure. You miss your first menstrual period.

Week 4:
Through a complex series of folds, the disc-like embryo now has a head and a tail, with buds that will grow into limbs. The beginnings of a spinal column and muscles are apparent. The embryo is about 4 to 5 millimeters long -- a bit less than 1/4 inch.

Week 5:
Eyes are starting to form, a mouth-like opening appears near the "head"; finger and toes are beginning to form. The brain now has three recognizable divisions, as it does in the fully-developed baby and adult.

but why should you worry - you're not attached to it?

She can go ahead and kill her children(I really can't stop her), it will leave more in this world for mine(who are much more evolved anyway).

The uglies - woman haters and fetal rights advocates - are drooling over each other to call this woman names. Terminating a one-month pregnancy is as big a deal as a tonsillectomy. Folks need to know. herm

Hahahah this woman just trolled every conservative and pro-lifer in the US. Absolutely brilliant. You all should be taking notes.

Good fer this brave gal.

Not a big fan of Tweeting by any stretch of the imagination but in this case Spud'll make an exception.

Her rationale for her abortion via RU486 is sound.

Her bravery fer sharing her experience online is laudable.

The chorus of forced birthers who came out to condemn and demean this woman is not.

Be Well.

I'm all for accurate info so people can make a better CHOICE

No, you're not. Your comment falsely claims that a four-week old fetus has arms and legs and states this woman will get breast cancer and have future children with birth defects because she got an abortion.

So at least have the decency to call a spade a spade. You're killing a baby.

I don't care whether you call it baby or a fetus. It's still proper that this country does not force women to carry every pregnancy to term.

For all the talk on the Retort in the past about how wrong it is to get a late-term abortion, we can see from this situation that even the earliest abortion will bring out the demonizers. There's no abortion where these folks will say that it's OK, even in the circumstances where a woman decides from the moment she discovers her pregnancy that she isn't equipped to raise a second child that might be special needs.

For most women this is a very sad day. My sister still regrets having an abortion 18 years after the fact and I am very glad my girlfriend didn't have one. I understand couples have there reasons which are sometimes valid but this is just disgusting. I could see a well designed website explaining the facts but to twitter it like it's a good thing just seems too far. People should realize that ending a life while sometimes necessary should never be cause for celebration.


For most women this is a very sad day. My sister still regrets having an abortion 18 years after the fact and I am very glad my girlfriend didn't have one. I understand couples have there reasons which are sometimes valid but this is just disgusting. I could see a well designed website explaining the facts but to twitter it like it's a good thing just seems too far. People should realize that ending a life while sometimes necessary should never be cause for celebration.

#34 | Posted by jackass

Wow.

Excellent post.

You feeling OK?

:-)

I am pro-choice, albeit barely.

What bothers me most about the pro-choice position is that many feel the need to dehumanize the fetus in order to justify the decision to abort.

It's a despicable argument to make.

In a vast majority of cases an arbitrary decision is being made to terminate a life. As Jackass said, sometimes circumstances provide some justification for doing so; but it is FAR from a cause for celebration.

As a father I think about the unbridled love I have for my 2 boys (ages 9 and 6). If push came to shove I would die to protect them. I can't possibly fathom how my wife or I, looking at them now, could have ever conceived the thought of aborting either one of them for any reason - of course, abortion was never part of the equation for us.

People should realize that ending a life while sometimes necessary should never be cause for celebration.

Who the fuck is celebrating?

Spud praised the woman's courage.

Abortion is always tragic even under the most optimal circumstances but in this current political clime when forced birthers march self righteously around spouting horror stories and trying to ban abortion this woman's decision to make her story part of the public debate on the subject is to be admired.

This woman decided to terminate an unplanned pregnancy in order to be able to be a good mother to her special needs kid that's already here.

You can't fault her for that.

Be Well.

Jeff I am generally pro-life all the way around meaning I don't support executions either. I think abortions shouldn't be a form of birth control when adoptions are available. I'd say I support limited abortion in cases of health, rape and incest.


Jeff I am generally pro-life all the way around meaning I don't support executions either. I think abortions shouldn't be a form of birth control when adoptions are available. I'd say I support limited abortion in cases of health, rape and incest.

#39 | Posted by jackass

I hate to break it to you but you just cited my dad's position on this to a "T".

I believe that having an abortion is one of the most difficult decisions any human being would have to make and that decision should lie solely with the individual, end of story.

I think it's the Catholic upbringing that coming out that I try to repress at all times.

This woman decided to terminate an unplanned pregnancy in order to be able to be a good mother to her special needs kid that's already here.

Unplanned?

It's a risk a woman takes every time she has intercourse with a sperm-producing man.

If she is such a loving mother, why not carry the child to term and give it up for adoption?

Why and how is it any business of yours?

This woman decided to terminate an unplanned pregnancy in order to be able to be a good mother to her special needs kid that's already here.

You can't fault her for that.

Be Well.

#38 | Posted by dethspud

Wrong, she should have taken birth control and not put herself in this position. Birth control plus her partner wearing a condom would have made it damn near impossible for her to get pregnant. If your going to have sex and don't want to get pregnant you have to take precautions to make sure it doesn't happen.

If she is such a loving mother, why not carry the child to term and give it up for adoption?

----

Because it's not a child according to her. When she was pregnant with her first one, it was a child. This one is not a child though. Guess she has some magical switch in her body that changes what it is while in her womb.

Why and how is it any business of yours?

She put it out there - I didn't ask her to tweet her twat. She did it on her own and thus opened herself up for scrutiny.

If your going to have sex and don't want to get pregnant you have to take precautions to make sure it doesn't happen.

Jesus.

You are on a roll today.

take precautions

You are on a roll today.

If by "are on a roll" you meant "Did Not Read The Farkin Article", you'd be quite correct.

Article sez she did take precautions and they FAILed.

Kinda like Jackass just did there.

Be Well.

If she is such a loving mother, why not carry the child to term and give it up for adoption?

Because a woman isn't society's breeding cow.

Because a pregnancy is a life or death decision.

Be Well.

Wrong, she should have taken birth control and not put herself in this position.

Read the article. She was using birth control and it failed.

These are the words of Angie Jackson, a blogger and mother of a 4-year-old son. Her IUD birth control failed; she is four weeks pregnant and writing about her abortion on YouTube, her personal blog, and on Twitter under the hashtag #livetweetingabortion.

Spud did she ask her partner to wear a condom? I have had girls tell me "I'm on the pill don't worry". Guess what spud I still wear a condom because I don't want to get STD's and I can't afford more in child support. I did read the article and still believe adoption would have been a better option for her.

Because a woman isn't society's breeding cow.

She made the choice to spread her legs - to the best of my knowledge she wasn't coerced into the act that resulted in this pregnancy.

She not only took the life of another developing human, but she felt a compulsion to post it on the internet.

Nobody is suggesting that she's a "breeding cow". The natural result of having sexual intercourse with a sperm-producing male is pregnancy.

Because a pregnancy is a life or death decision.

I didn't read through the entire article, but from what I did read I didn't detect that her life was in danger as a result of this pregnancy.

She is pretty vague about her "health risks" that could mean she didn't want to have her feet swell. With IUD the chance of Pregnancy is less than 1%. So I have to wonder if this lady is even telling the truth. People do lie once in a while.

Like I said earlier I thinks she has too cavalier of an attitude about this. I hope the woman I one day Marry would be upset if she ever had to have an abortion because I know it would upset me.

Like I said earlier I thinks she has too cavalier of an attitude about this.

Which is a valid criticism.

It's not as if you, or I for that matter, are suggesting she should be punished in our judicial system for a legal act. It's just that she went public with it and thus opens herself up to well-deserved criticism.

I hope the woman I one day Marry would be upset if she ever had to have an abortion because I know it would upset me.

I wanted to postpone parenthood as long as I could early-on. I was frightened for a variety of reasons and, as it turns out, I am a mediocre dad when it comes to fathering babies. However, as my kids have grown and developed, so has my relationship with both of them. As it stands now, I have a great relationship with both of my boys - I am truly a "dad" now and it's a personal accomplishment that trumps everything else I have done in life so far - with the possible exception of being a good husband to my wife.

Tweeting her abortion, how is FSM going to punish her I wonder...

#6 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

FF

Does it says who is paying for this?

"Good fer this brave gal...Her bravery fer sharing her experience online is laudable."
#32 | Posted by dethspud

I hope next time she will share a partial birth abortion and I will be looking forward to your kudos and praise for her bravery.

www.salon.com

But, she also makes sure to add in a blog post that "'I don't want to be pregnant' is a *good enough* reason to get an abortion."

I did read the article and still believe adoption would have been a better option for her.

That's yer opinion and yer welcome to it.

It's NOT, however, your body.

It's also NOT your life.

Ergo it's NOT your decision.

"'I don't want to be pregnant' is a *good enough* reason to get an abortion."

Prior to viability it is a good enough reason.

I hope next time she will share a partial birth abortion and I will be looking forward to your kudos and praise for her bravery.

A PBA in order to save her own life?

Spud'll be there with bells on.

Be Well.

"If you believe in abortion rights at all"
#4 | Posted by rcade

There is no such thing as abortion rights.

So I have to wonder if this lady is even telling the truth. People do lie once in a while.

Even if that were true, who cares? This issue is not about this particular woman. Birth control is not a 100 percent guarantee against getting pregnant. So it fails sometimes. Is it really wrong for these women to take an RU-486 pill a day after discovering the pregnancy? Seems completely arbitrary to me to believe that it's OK to practice birth control but not to immediately terminate a pregnancy like she is doing.

There is no such thing as abortion rights.

That settles the matter! Thanks Freddy. You have saved us all a lot of time no longer arguing about this subject.

Just another Obama voter, being herself.

I hope this whore has an allergic reaction to the pill and is aborted herself. Not because she's making a spectacle out of an "abortion", but because she's a cunt.

There is no such thing as abortion rights.

"That settles the matter! Thanks Freddy. You have saved us all a lot of time no longer arguing about this subject."

#64 | Posted by rcade

OK, show me any law that describes abortion as a right. Don't bother, there isn't one, not in RvW or any where else is abortion considered a right.

In fact, in RvW the justices stated:

"On the basis of elements such as these, appellant and some amici argue that the woman's right is absolute and that she is entitled to terminate her pregnancy at whatever time, in whatever way, and for whatever reason she alone chooses. With this we do not agree."

Seems completely arbitrary to me to believe that it's OK to practice birth control but not to immediately terminate a pregnancy like she is doing.

#63 | Posted by rcade

The difference is stopping something before it starts and stopping something after it has already started.

I used to be for abortion rights until I thought that it was hypocritical to be anti-execution but ok with abortion. I believe every life is worth saving if it is 100 years old or 1 hour old.

I used to be for abortion rights until I thought that it was hypocritical to be anti-execution but ok with abortion. I believe every life is worth saving if it is 100 years old or 1 hour old.

Perhaps you'd best tie a handkerchief around yer face so you don't accidently breathe in any bugs and kill them.

Might wanna stop walking too.

Ants, ya know.

Be Well.

/Well, THAT was fun
stage left.

OK, show me any law that describes abortion as a right.

You're engaging in pointless semantics. Roe v. Wade established the constitutional framework in which abortion is legal in this country. Women have the right to an abortion in this country, with some restrictions as established by subsequent Supreme Court decisions.

"You're engaging in pointless semantics. Roe v. Wade established the constitutional framework in which abortion is legal in this country. Women have the right to an abortion in this country, with some restrictions as established by subsequent Supreme Court decisions."

#70 | Posted by rcade

No, they simply confirmed the right to provacy. Abortion is never stated as a right. They infact, give some rights to the growing fetus to be protected.

"Although the results are divided, most of these courts have agreed that the right of privacy, however based, is broad enough to cover the abortion decision; that the right, nonetheless, is not absolute and is subject to some limitations; and that at some point the state interests as to protection of health, medical standards, and prenatal life, become dominant. We agree with this approach"

Note the protection of "prenatal life"

Furthermore:

"We, therefore, conclude that the right of personal privacy includes the abortion decision, but that this right is not unqualified and must be considered against important state interests in regulation."

In other words, abortion is not an absolute right and the state can regulate abortions.

I never said it was absolute. You're arguing with nobody.

A lot of folks are suggesting adoption as an alternative to abortion, however I suspect that many have never been through the adoption process or don't know many who have...

...There are currently over 100,000 children in foster care right now waiting to find homes and more coming in everyday. Foster care and adoptions facilities in general have had a horrible record in prevention of child abuse on all levels.

Not to mention that fact that even children that make it through the process "cleanly" there is still the psychological trauma associated with attachment and abandonment which are two leader factors in developing social/psychological disorders in the future that could be a detriment to these children their whole lives, many of which will never recover.

I would rather a conception potentially suffer for a few minutes than to force them to suffer for a lifetime...

...and for the religious the babies will all go to have heaven so let your G-d worry about it.

Nice to see the bible thumpers and tin-foil hat crowd collectively voiding their bowels over this one. Let's hope they have the decency to clean up their mess.

It's NOT, however, your body.

It's also NOT your life.

Ergo it's NOT your decision.

#61 | Posted by dethspud at 2010-02-25 10:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

So we agree? It's not HER body, it's not HER life so it should NOT be HER decision? Good job spud!

A PBA in order to save her own life?

Spud'll be there with bells on.

Be Well.

#61 | Posted by dethspud at 2010-02-25 10:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

You and HERM should get some popcorn. HERM never misses a good infanticide party!

www.pbs.org

Former Surgeon General Koop explained that, "Partial birth abortion is never medically necessary to protect a mother's health or her future fertility." Women who undergo partial birth abortion risk uterine rupture, abruption, amniotic fluid embolus, trauma to the uterus, iatrogenic laceration, secondary hemorrhage and infertility.

Warren Hern, MD, abortion practitioner and author of "Abortion Procedure," commented, "I have very serious reservations about this procedure.... You really can't defend it.... I would dispute any statement that this is the safest procedure to use." The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists [ACOG] released a Statement of Policy on Jan. 12, 1997, stating: "A select panel convened by ACOG could identify no circumstances under which this procedure ... would be the only option to save the life or preserve the health of the woman."

www.bpnews.net

So a big fuck you to you spud - keep cheerleading for murder under the guise of "woman's rights". Good thing YOUR mother didn't abort you just because "she didn't want this pregnancy". A fact 100% pro-deathers always seem to forget.

"If you believe in abortion rights at all, I don't see how you can suggest she's doing anything wrong by sharing her experience to help other woman in the same circumstance."

It could be misleading to be telling other women "This isn't that bad". This is very traumatizing to some women. It is a personal thing. When people look to make highly personal events public, others are going to question their motives.

ELCIDCE90

Some of us do wish our mother had aborted us...it would have saved that lifetime of pain I mentioned earlier but I'm sure you like to see people suffer.

All the suicides, drug overdoses, abuse and abandonment...How many could have been prevented if their mother had been allowed to abort?

All the suicides, drug overdoses, abuse and abandonment...How many could have been prevented if their mother had been allowed to abort?

#78 | Posted by richardspirit at 2010-02-25 02:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yep, maybe saved us from Obama too. Perhaps I should rethink my standing.

Nah. I think I'll go with life. How you live it is up to you - not me. It is yours. Given to you by others. How you respect that gift says a lot about oneself.

Suicides, drug overdoeses, abuse and abandonment? Sounds like a liberal heaven. If it feels good do it - right? Why are you complaining?

At least she was on birth control, and she's in the early stages of pregnancy. When seeing the title I was preparing for way worse.

How you live it is up to you - not me. It is yours. Given to you by others.

Didn't you just tell spud that her life isn't hers? I assume you mean it belong to some fairy king in the sky....such contradictions.

I guess if you like suicide, abuse and abandonment then you might think they feel good...

It could be misleading to be telling other women "This isn't that bad". This is very traumatizing to some women.

And not traumatizing to others -- particularly an early RU-486-induced abortion like this one. Why should her view not be represented? If a woman came forward to say that her abortion ruined her life, would you suggest that she not be open about this fact?

The fetus should tweet the abortion, but I think calling it "live tweeting" would be a bit cruel. Also, the feed would probably suddenly just stop.

Didn't you just tell spud that her life isn't hers? I assume you mean it belong to some fairy king in the sky....such contradictions.

I guess if you like suicide, abuse and abandonment then you might think they feel good...

#81 | Posted by richardspirit at 2010-02-25 02:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

No, I told spud the life she was taking was not hers. The body she was taking was not hers. No contradiction on my side - only yours. Get it?

Oh wait, another person who thinks the universe came from nothing and is going to nothing - so no you don't get it.

Never mentioned any fairy king - I can only assume you were talking about your father. He a pilot and a queer? Anyway - respect him, he was one of those who gave you life.

The fetus should tweet the abortion, but I think calling it "live tweeting" would be a bit cruel. Also, the feed would probably suddenly just stop.
#83 | Posted by kanrei

A buddy of mine suggested that same thing this morning.

I can see it now Hag:

It is really dark.

Kind of quiet

Does anyone else hear a "humming" sound?

What is that straw? I am going to go check it out. BRB

*slurp*

Is she wearing her baby skull jewelry? I can't tell

www.theonion.com

I told spud the life she was taking was not hers.

It's not a "life," in the sense of an actual human being.

The body she was taking was not hers.

Neither are the lives of the bacteria that you so cruelly slaughter when you take antibiotics.

ELCIDCE90

Then you did not make yourself clear and understandable perhaps that is why no one understands you.

Where is my contradiction?

*slurp*
#86 | Posted by kanrei

SO wrong. LOL (guiltily).

^^

I think the mom would care too much about her precious blackberry to shove it up there enabling a fetal tweetdeck.

It's not a "life," in the sense of an actual human being.

The body she was taking was not hers.

Neither are the lives of the bacteria that you so cruelly slaughter when you take antibiotics.

#88 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2010-02-25 02:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Your definition of human being is a subject for debate.

Comparing human life to bacteria says a lot about you zombie. Thanks for the confirmation of your values. Please make sure you keep up your loose definitions of human life so you can sleep with yourself at night.

Neither are the lives of the bacteria that you so cruelly slaughter when you take antibiotics.

#88 | Posted by ZombieHunter

Just to be clear... the beating heart of a fetus has the same value to you as a stick of chewing gum.

Right,

No a piece gum is not a living organism.

I believe that having an abortion is one of the most difficult decisions any human being would have to make and that decision should lie solely with the individual, end of story.

#41 | Posted by truthhurts at 2010-02-25 08:34 AM | Reply |

Yea all 3 individuals, involved the father the mother and the baby. What do you think the babies individual choice would be?

"If a woman came forward to say that her abortion ruined her life, would you suggest that she not be open about this fact?"

If she said let me "de-mystify" (the word this woman in the article used) abortion: "Abortions ruin lives", I would think she's an idiot. And if she did it in a way that is comparable to tweeting during an abortion, her motives would be questionable as well.

Can I get the video in HD?

--herm

She's four weeks pregnant. The fetus at that stage is a blastocyst that does not yet have a brain, spinal cord, heart or other organs. If you believe in abortion rights at all, I don't see how you can suggest she's doing anything wrong by sharing her experience to help other woman in the same circumstance.

#4 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2010-02-24 09:31 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

I dunno Rcade. I understand your point of view. I support a woman's right to choose -- but also believe that abortion shouldn't be just some other form of birth control. It seems like it is a bigger decision that has some pretty serious ramifications one way or another. Live-tweeting does seem to cheapen the decision.

Like I said earlier I thinks she has too cavalier of an attitude about this. I hope the woman I one day Marry would be upset if she ever had to have an abortion because I know it would upset me.

#54 | POSTED BY JACKASS AT 2010-02-25 09:08 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Holy shit.. I agree with Jackass! I even thought it over...

A PBA in order to save her own life?

Spud'll be there with bells on.

Be Well.

#61 | Posted by dethspud at 2010-02-25 10:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

One very sick potato.

Perhaps you'd best tie a handkerchief around yer face so you don't accidently breathe in any bugs and kill them.

Might wanna stop walking too.

Ants, ya know.

Be Well.

/Well, THAT was fun
stage left.

#69 | Posted by dethspud at 2010-02-25 11:10 AM

Spud you are being retarded. A human has more value to society than any insect or animal. Unless the human is a child molester then well a good dog has more value.

She's an attention whore like Octomom.

Wish her mother has used that treatment.

Classy Betty real Classy. You consider yourself a Xtian too.

Spud you are being retarded. A human has more value to society than any insect or animal.

Ah, so yer respect for all life does have qualifiers then?

Good to know.

Spud luffs making a good redutcio ad absurdum argument, laws yes.

She's an attention whore like Octomom.

We're all attention whores to one degree or another.

Unlike the Octopussy chick this gal is not doing this with any obvious financial pay-off in mind, making Spud tend towards the interpretation that she's bravely stepping up to counter the continual RW assertions that abortion always leads to a bad end, usually one exacted by a senselessly cruel God.

See also: www.imnotsorry.net

Be Well.

Betty is an Orly Taitz fan too. That says a lot about you.

Abortion is always going to be a very personal thing that will affect people differently. However, from a purely scientific point of view, at what stage of development the abortion happens can, I think, have a definite impact on the definition of whether or not it is a 'fetus' or a 'baby' or event a 'person'.

There is a big difference between a four-week-old fetus and a four-month-old fetus. Aborting one or the other is a big difference. We need a more exact definition of a 'person' so as to establish when rights of the individual come in to play. Without defining boundaries we can get some ridiculous ideas going backwards or forwards, logically. If a four-week-old fetus is a 'person', is it a 'person' at conception? What about the component elements? Are the egg and sperm individually or together a 'person' since they are the underlying elements that create the fetus?

It sounds silly to most people, but there are those that think this way and go by what they feel rather than a scientific consensus (like our '10,000 year-old Earth'.)

One very sick potato.

O'Rly?

Spud thinks it's the morans trying to politicize and ban so-called "*partial birth abortion" who are the sick ones.

/*That's a political term, btw, not a medical term.
//Coined by a GOP pol in order to leverage the debate.

Basically, Intact Dilation and Extraction (IDX/IDE) is an extremely rare event (0.17 % of all abortions in the US), one that the forced birthers have jumped onto as the wedge edge that will allow them to progress the agenda.

In many of the cases the baby is already dead and is just being delivered intact in order to A) Help preserve the health of the mother and B) Give the family a body to grieve over.

By insisting that the body be dismembered in the birth canal you endanger A and destroy B.

In the rest of the cases a late diagnosis of serious Down's Syndrome or hydrocephalus or some other medical malady is the impetus for the procedure. You can judge these women all you want for their decisions in these cases but you can't or shouldn't try to make that decision for them or they lose essential autonomy.

But sure, try and make Spud out to be the bad guy in this picture rather than yerself.

Go nuts.

Is yer decision.

Be Well.

#108 | Posted by dethspud at 2010-02-26 08:41 AM | Reply | Flag: Uses wordsmithing to sleep at night.

Former Surgeon General Koop explained that, "Partial birth abortion is never medically necessary to protect a mother's health or her future fertility." Women who undergo partial birth abortion risk uterine rupture, abruption, amniotic fluid embolus, trauma to the uterus, iatrogenic laceration, secondary hemorrhage and infertility.

Warren Hern, MD, abortion practitioner and author of "Abortion Procedure," commented, "I have very serious reservations about this procedure.... You really can't defend it.... I would dispute any statement that this is the safest procedure to use." The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists [ACOG] released a Statement of Policy on Jan. 12, 1997, stating: "A select panel convened by ACOG could identify no circumstances under which this procedure ... would be the only option to save the life or preserve the health of the woman."

Again - a big fuck you to spud and anyone else agreeing with PBA - and comparing it to killing an ant? ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS. You are stepping into HERM territory here spudly. Jump back and touch yerself. Take a look in the mirror and say out loud "abortion is no different than killing an ant". See if the image is laughing in the mirror or not. If not - get counseling quickly.

Just not right tweeting and promoting such an event. Will be very interesting to see what she has to say a few days afterwards, or even the same day.
Most women regret having an abortion. New research suggests it has a more profound impact on the women than previously thought.
I wish we could tweet this to the same effect.
You realise each time someone clicks on that page it moves higher in the google rankings ..

All right, every time a guy wacks off, he's guilty of mass murder.
Every woman who "swallows" should be condemned as a cannibal,and every used tampon or pad should be given a decent burial.

this woman is a hero, plain and simple. She's going through a LEGAL medical procedure and her bravery is commendable.

A fetus IS NOT a human being. Period. A fetus does NOT deserve rights afforded to human beings. Ever. If and until that fetus begins life at birth, then the rights should begin. Otherwise, a woman is not free in this land of the free. Get over it anti-choice people; you will NEVER, EVER win that argument.

How many of the anti-choice people here have ever celebrated the day of their conception? No one ever has. Life begins at birth.

Get over it anti-choice people; you will NEVER, EVER win that argument.

finally, I found someone who realizes that abortion rights aren't threatened.

How many of the anti-choice people here have ever celebrated the day of their conception? No one ever has. Life begins at birth.

#112 | Posted by buckeyenutlover at 2010-02-26 02:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe because when people started celebrating "birth" days, they had not concept of conception? Idiot.

I am pro-choice btw. Except in cases of rape, the woman always has a choice of not becoming pregnant. So does the man. Why do you continue to lie about that fact and call pro-life people anti-choice. Pro-lifers are for the woman and the baby to have a choice. The woman makes hers at the point of conception.

Life begins at birth.

#112 | POSTED BY BUCKEYENUTLOVER AT 2010-02-26 02:59 PM | REPLY | FLAG

So you can legally terminate at any time before the baby actually comes out? I think you're loopy.

"The fetus at that stage is a blastocyst that does not yet have a brain, spinal cord, heart or other organs."

Uh-huh. And in seven more days, week five, the heart, lungs and umbilical cord take form.

Nice job, rcade. Way to error on doing no harm.

Tool!

#14 | Posted by happyending

And in another 6 months it will have a brain! Way to error on the side of....well...stupidity.

Life begins at brain.

Life begins at brain.

#117 | Posted by Sycophant at 2010-02-26 04:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

So when does that happen to you syco? Let us know, we can have a party here at the DR for your brain.

Life begins at brain.

#117 | Posted by Sycophant at 2010-02-26 04:40 PM

I agree, but I *think* brain begins before 6 months...

Life begins at brain.

Stupid begins at birth

And in another 6 months it will have a brain!

It?

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