I can't wait for John Boner to be under the spotlights tomorrow and say, "Oh gee America, the dog ate my homework."

You know I'm almost happy that they won't be showing up with a realistic proposal because the President is so desperate to get a healthcare bill past that he might agree to whatever they suggest. I wish I was more confident in the President's poker playing skills.

Boehners health care plan.... lots of bronzer and scotch.

#2 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

The GOP is so fricking cynical that they feel that accross-the-board obstructionism is the best path toward power, so that's the route they will take.

As for Obama - he seems to truly believe that his flowery rhetoric will carry-the-day well-beyond campaign season. The sad reality is that when actually governing that shit doesn't go very far.

-the President's poker playing skills.

He must be the only college student that ever spent all his time playing canasta instead of poker.

- lots of bronzer and scotch.

His Santa red nose and Orange Alert bronzer always clash.

"The GOP is so fricking cynical that they feel that accross-the-board obstructionism is the best path toward power, so that's the route they will take."

I really want to flag that as newsworthy.

Still though, they probably don't want to have their heads handed to them again like they did last month. Even if they have good ideas, there is nobody on the right that comes anywhere near the President debate-wise. There are better advocates of GOP ideas right here on this blog. That should depress the hell out of you.

He must be the only college student that ever spent all his time playing canasta instead of poker.
#5 | Posted by Corky

That created a funny picture in my mind of a 20 year old Barry sitting in a small dorm room, cigarette hanging from his lips, getting all irie over a tough game of canasta.

A half day summit. To discuss a program that would take over 1/6 of the budget. Yeah, we should all take it seriously. Where is that sarcasm flag when you need it.

The repubs want to reset the clock - that is their plan. Most of America does not want either bill shoved through congress. Most of America wants both parites to take the discussion seriously and remove politics from the plan. - and while I am wishing I would like a pony.

-Most of America wants both parites to take the discussion seriously

If Rethugs took it seriously, they wouldn't show up at the summit sans any plan.

At least Dems are trying to solve problems rather than play obstructionist politics whether one agrees with their solutions or not.

At least Dems are trying to solve problems rather than play obstructionist politics whether one agrees with their solutions or not.

#10 | Posted by Corky

No shit? I guess that makes sense when you have a majority, doesn't it.

-I guess that makes sense when you have a majority, doesn't it.

Your ilk had the Pres and the Congress for what, 6-7 years? And never did one thing about comprehensive health care. They were too busy giving tax cuts to their base, "the Haves", at the same time they were starting wars.

So just because a party is in the majority does not mean they are going to work on solutions... as is obvious from Repube history.

Not only have they no plan, but House Repubes have no one who wants to get yet another ass-reaming from Obama.

"House GOP Yet to Name Summit Attendees
By Jackie Kucinich
Roll Call Staff
Feb. 24, 2010, 9:28 a.m.

One day before the White House bipartisan health care summit and a day after saying they had an "obligation" to accept the President's invitation, House Republicans have yet to name their attendees to the event."

So just because a party is in the majority does not mean they are going to work on solutions... as is obvious from Repube history.

#12 | Posted by Corky

Nice talking point. Big fan of MSNBC I see.

Why? Are they quoting me again?

And what are you doing there? Salivating over Rachel Maddow again?

And what are you doing there? Salivating over Rachel Maddow again?

#15 | Posted by Corky

I don't make it a habit to get my marching orders from an ugly bulldyke. I leave that to the handfull of viewers from the Left. I much prefer a wholesome Girl like Meghan Kelly.

can't wait for John Boner to be under the spotlights tomorrow and say, "Oh gee America, the dog ate my homework."

#1 | Posted by Corky at

ah funny....funny stuff...maybe next time you can come up with a funny line not based on a fuckin lie..
I guess going to the 'solutions' site and others placed by gopers is just too much trouble for you and the fuckin times.."all the news that our reporters can make up"...

-I much prefer a wholesome Girl like Meghan Kelly.

Miss Lobotomy 2005

At least Dems are trying to solve problems rather than play obstructionist politics whether one agrees with their solutions or not.

#10 | Posted by Corky

Maybe you should be more concerned about your own party in Congress. Pelosi says they don't have the votes to pass the Senate Bill.

Emuff, Corky. We know you like Rachel.

At least Dems are trying to solve problems rather than play obstructionist politics whether one agrees with their solutions or not.

#10 | Posted by Corky

The Dems are the ones who won't vote for the damn thing...the House dems don't trust the Senate Dems.

And the repubs have had their plan posted on their website for months.

Rachel Maddow--(giggle)...

Miss Lobotomy 2005

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2010-02-24 11:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

She earned her undergraduate degree in political science from Syracuse University and her J.D. from Albany Law School in 1995, where she was editor of the Albany Law Review.

Guess that makes you kind of look like an idiot - no surprise there.

#23 Amazing she could still be such a vacuous, vapid vixen then, eh?

-Pelosi says they don't have the votes to pass the Senate Bill.

They aren't trying to pass the Sen Bill, but the Obama reconciliation of their bills.

#23 Amazing she could still be such a vacuous, vapid vixen then, eh?

#24 | Posted by Corky

And a Heterosexual to boot!

"They aren't trying to pass the Sen Bill, but the Obama reconciliation of their bills."

Why don't they simply pass the bill the Senate passed? If it is so fucking wonderful, why does Obama need to make any reconciliations? Better yet, why does Obama need any GOP input or ideas? This ridiculous sideshow of a Summitt is to garner enough democrat Congressional votes.

#27

Read a newspaper, for Beck's Sake!

She earned her undergraduate degree in political science from Syracuse University and her J.D. from Albany Law School in 1995, where she was editor of the Albany Law Review.

Guess that makes you kind of look like an idiot - no surprise there.

#23 | Posted by ELCIDCE90 at

so now I know where she learned to be biased and prejudiced and hatefull and dishonest..thanks for the info..

"for becks sake" you are so funny..but looks arent everything.

CRISPEE...if it was so great you would think that 60 votes in the senate and an 80 something majority in the house would have been enough

BUT dems and posters here dont want to discuss the reason why its stalled DO THEY CORKMAN...
OH they will blame it on gop OBSTRUCTION but in the end...they have THEMSELVES TO blame or is it that we have some Of them to praise...
regardless JUST LIKE FUNDING TO IRAQ>..they could have passed this through LAST AUGUST>
IT WAS dems who have obstructed it from the beginning

It's not really a summit with Obama and the Republicans. It's more like a meeting with Obama and a bunch of cameras, but where reporters don't get to ask any questions.

Let us buy insurance across state lines. Get comprehensive tort reform, to save the 25% of medically unnecessary procedures. Write the tax code to give the same benefits to people buying insurance for themselves that they do when they're buying for their businesses.

But on the other hand, if Obama wants to cut $500 billion out of Medicare that he thinks is wasteful, then he should proceed, immediately.

#27
Read a newspaper, for Beck's Sake!
#28 | Posted by Corky at 2010-02-24 12:06 PM

Why? Will that change the fact Pelosi doesn't have the votes to pass the Senate Bill? I am sure they will blame it on repubs just like you do here everyday. Which is why they are failing much like your beloved dems.

heard an interesting take on it last night

dems KNOW this wont pass but have to go through this charade for some other reasons they consider worthwhile.
one is that obama can say with a straight face that he is all about two things..
transparency and bipartisan
and he is full of shit both times.
we know the cameras are there because of the cspan stuff but with the dem bill already made up, it doesnt matter
the 2nd one is the REAL reason...he can bullshit for hours on msnbc about the gop by having this.
THEN In a couple of weeks, they can get back to where the public really wants them to be and thats the issue of jobs.
and as krauthammer said at the end of this..
"obama is returning to the theater" for this and his goal is to get the gop to say NO somewhere for future causes and issues.

"Was there going to be a test? Because we would have studied for it."

-Repubes.

The GOP is so fricking cynical that they feel that accross-the-board obstructionism is the best path toward power, so that's the route they will take.

#4 | Posted by JeffJ

I'm impressed that Jeff would make such an acknowledgement.

"Get comprehensive tort reform, to save the 25% of medically unnecessary procedures."

Translation: Eliminate all state regulations on health insurance and enact "tort Reform" (give up right to sue for damages) and save less than one percent of the cost of health care. RisR is more concerned about insurance companies than people.
How much per post?

"THEN In a couple of weeks, they can get back to where the public really wants them to be"

on TV debating the issues we care about.
Sunlight is a very good disinfectant.

Don't mis-underestimate the Rethugs. They have a Plan all right.

Stop Obama at all costs. Freeze Washington in its tracks. Obstruct. Delay. Misinform. Confuse. Lie.

Make this Obama's Waterloo.

It was the Plan all along and still is.

Just because your slanted media does not report it does not make the assertion true - PLEASE NOTE:

GOP lawmakers have proposed more than 30 of their own bills. Rep. Tom Price and fellow House Republicans of the Republican Study Committee have proposed all of these bills within the last year: H.R. 77; H.R. 109; H.R. 198; H.R. 270; H.R. 321; H.R. 464; H.R. 502; H.R. 544; H.R. 917; H.R. 1086; H.R. 1118; H.R. 1441; H.R. 1458; H.R. 1468; H.R. 1658; H.R. 1891; H.R. 2520; H.R. 2607; H.R. 2692; H.R. 2784; H.R. 2785; H.R. 2786; H.R. 2787; H.R. 3141; H.R. 3217; H.R. 3218; H.R. 3356; H.R. 3372; H.R. 3400; H.R. 3438; H.R. 3454; and H.R. 3478.

That is on top of all of the Republican amendments that the Democrats systematically rejected throughout this debate. This is an enlightening reminder of the Republican amendments to healthcare reform that were flat out rejected by Democrats.

It is amazing how many different ways Republicans can say tort reform.

The GOP has NO comprehensive plan, and no other kind of plan that they agree among themselves is the Repube Plan.

"This is an enlightening reminder of the Republican amendments to healthcare reform that were flat out rejected by Democrats."

So tomorrow the Rethugs will get the opportunity to discuss their ideas on TV with the Dems. If the ideas are so great I'm sure Americans will recognize that.

It is amazing how many different ways Republicans can say tort reform...... without ever putting forth a documented, CBO vetted, demonstrably workable plan to address even that non-cost-driving issue.

there is no health summit at all.

the insurance mafia and drug junta own all the plans and politicians.

support medicare +, and not this pile of corporate feces.

-flat out rejected by Democrats."

80 something Repub amendments in the Sen Bill alone.

Don't mis-underestimate the Rethugs. They have a Plan all right.
Stop Obama at all costs. Freeze Washington in its tracks. Obstruct. Delay. Misinform. Confuse. Lie.
Make this Obama's Waterloo.
It was the Plan all along and still is.

Sounds like the public gets it. Sadly you and danni don't.

More than three in four, 77%, say their "best guess" is that President Obama and congressional Democratic and Republican leaders will leave the six-hour session at Blair House empty-handed. Just one in five, 22%, predict they'll reach a deal.

The poll also found no consensus that the public wants an agreement.

By 49%-43%, those surveyed oppose passage of a bill like that Democrats have drafted. The White House on Monday released a $950 billion, 10-year proposal designed to expand coverage and control costs. It would require most Americans to have health insurance and provide subsidies to help those of moderate incomes afford it.

#46...

Sorry Corky, forgot to inlcude you.

#47

You won't mind if we bury all those who die next year because they didn't have health care in your backyard do you?

Also, we'd like to send you the bill for uninsured nationwide ER treatments..... what was that address again?

#47

You won't mind if we bury all those who die next year because they didn't have health care in your backyard do you?

#48 | Posted by Corky

LOL!!! Is this the "lie of the day". You idiots are out all over the Retort with this lie.

Can you show me someone who doesn't have health care?

Also, we'd like to send you the bill for uninsured nationwide ER treatments..... what was that address again?

#48 | Posted by Corky

LOL!!! How many? 40 million? LOL!!!!

You won't mind if we bury all those who die next year because they didn't have health care in your backyard do you?
#48 | Posted by Corky at 2010-02-24 02:52 PM |

That depends on if YOU have health insurance.

"BTW, moron. Why should Crispee pay for deadbeats who won't buy health insurance for their kids?"

Because I am a white conservative who has worked his ass off the last 30 years. In their eyes I should be happy to pay more taxes.

The fact of the matter is they have put forth several proposals and the dems told them to sit down and shut the fuck up.

They aren't trying to pass the Sen Bill, but the Obama reconciliation of their bills.

#25 | Posted by Corky

You mean the one that will cost twice as much as the senate bill? The one with the husker handout to all 50 states?

The fact of the matter is they have put forth several proposals and the dems told them to sit down and shut the fuck up.

#53 | Posted by Sniper

It's sad to watch them sabotage themselves, though.

It's been a short 2 years. Nov, 2010 is just around the corner

The fact of the matter is they have put forth several proposals and the dems told them to sit down and shut the fuck up.

When did that happen? I mean, I heard Sarah Palin say it (without the "fuck", of course), but when did that happen?

Because I am a white conservative who has worked his ass off the last 30 years. In their eyes I should be happy to pay more taxes.

#52 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2010-02-24 03:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

So, the brown lazy liberals are after you?

You mean the one that will cost twice as much as the senate bill? The one with the husker handout to all 50 states?

#54 | Posted by Sniper

My guess, Snip, is that the Pelosi/Reid/Obama machine grossly miscalculated the American peoples' wants and needs and is faced with losing their own base if they capitulate.

What I think they are doing is gambling (all in) on passing this thing, satisfying their base and hoping that the American people forget about it because it doesn't take effect until 2018. They still have a chance to get the ole Hopey Changey engine running again.

Eddie, Eddie, Eddie....... it's like Rush Limbaugh and mAnn Coulter mated and only had a partial abortion.....

So, the brown lazy liberals are after you?

#57 | Posted by BetelG

No, it's just his imagination. LOL!!!

Let see. Just yesterday a guy walks into a Colorado school and starts shooting. Why?

The fact of the matter is they have put forth several proposals and the dems told them to sit down and shut the fuck up.

#53 | Posted by Sniper

BULLSHIT on that.

The dems BENT OVER BACKWARD to accept bipartisan cooperation. THEN the GOP refused to support the bill they had negotiated and claimed they needed to go back to square one.

The Repubs got a little political traction on scaring the public with FALSE accusations that this was all being done behind closed doors.

PARTY OF NOPE

Well the DOORS are opened and the cameras WILL be rolling. Let see the dumbasses dance to Obamas fiddle!

How much do you want to bet that the GOPhers back out at the last minute!

More than three in four, 77%, say their "best guess" is that President Obama and congressional Democratic and Republican leaders will leave the six-hour session at Blair House empty-handed. Just one in five, 22%, predict they'll reach a deal.

Because they are being constantly bombarded with the bullshit misinformation that is being spewed by Beck and associates and the Party of NO!. And they are sick of the gridlock that is the result of the bickering and irresponsible behavior of Congress and resigned to the fact that Washington is completely dysfunctional and so nothing will get resolved this time either.

As for this not being a high priority anymore we know why that is too. When the People are more concerned about where their next paycheck or where they will sleep or even where the next meal is coming from then Health Care Reform tends to become a low priority in their lives...until, of course, the next medical crisis occurs to them personally.

Eddie, Eddie, Eddie....... it's like Rush Limbaugh and mAnn Coulter mated and only had a partial abortion.....

#59 | Posted by Corky

Corky, Corky, Corky,

When are you going to get it? I'm not a Republican.

My parents are Ron Paul and Sarah..., I'm mean Michelle Bachmann. Sarah Palin is my giiirlfriend.

This is nothing but political theatre that won't work. Obama knows it's all over in November so this is pretty much it for the rest of his presidency. His main problem is that he has not legislated before, nor most of his administration. On the other hand, his opponents have been legislating and know how it all works. This is so embarrassing to watch, and that this country elected someone with so very little experience.

Eddie-
re: No, it's just his imagination. LOL!!!

Let see. Just yesterday a guy walks into a Colorado school and starts shooting. Why?

#60 | Posted by Eddie at 2010-02-24 03:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Perhaps you could explain this post to me in the context of our conversation regarding Crispee OC.

How much do you want to bet that the GOPhers back out at the last minute!

#61 | Posted by Monstman

The country. I bet the entire country.

You know? At this point, this argument is mute because the Republicans succeeded in killing the Hopey Changey movement. Let me correct that. The Republicans can't claim anything, all they did was to sit back and watch the Dems demolish themselves.

You have to admit that the Pelosi/Reid/Obama team figured that they had all the power and did not have to cooperate with Republicans. How wrong they were.

You can't fix it now. Pelosi and her misbehavior broke it.

Eddie-
As per my most recent comment, are you claiming that there is a shooting war against white conservatives?

Please explain further. I want to understand your posts.

Perhaps you could explain this post to me in the context of our conversation regarding Crispee OC.

#65 | Posted by BetelG

You're right. I live in Colorado and it's all over the news. my bad. The only reference is that the guy had Bush's wife on his hit list. I rescind.

God damn. Eddie is one stupid skirt.

re: At this point, this argument is mute because the Republicans succeeded in killing the Hopey Changey movement.

I think the word you were looking for was "moot", but on to the serious stuff:

The "Hopey Changey" movement, as Sarah Palin stated and you repeated without attribution was a bit knee-capped by eight years of Bush who left the position in the middle of an economic meltdown threatening global depression and leaving structural deficits.

But, was the shooting you spoke of in Colorado by a brownish person gunning for old white conservatives?

So, the brown lazy liberals are after you?

#57 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-24 03:20 PM

Corky, danni, donner are brown lazy liberals? lol

The "they" I was referring to, are the libs here on Drudge. I have no idea what their races are. The "white" was used for stereotype purposes.

Eddie-
As per my most recent comment, are you claiming that there is a shooting war against white conservatives?

Please explain further. I want to understand your posts.

#67 | Posted by BetelG

And yes, there was this suggestion in the news, but the guy is a wacko! I don't believe it.

re: The "white" was used for stereotype purposes.

#71 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2010-02-24 03:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well, you succeeded in making it racial. I'm truly sorry that words have meaning, Humpty Dumpty.

Perhaps you could explain this post to me in the context of our conversation regarding Crispee OC.

#65 | Posted by BetelG

What you talking about Willis?

Eddie-
re: And yes, there was this suggestion in the news, but the guy is a wacko! I don't believe it.

#72 | Posted by Eddie at 2010-02-24 03:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

There was a "suggestion in the news" that poor brownish folks had started a shooting war on old white people?

From what "news" source did you get this "suggestion"?

Didn't take BetelG long to go right to the left knee jerk talking points #70 Blame Bush #73 Bring in Race.

Well, you succeeded in making it racial. I'm truly sorry that words have meaning, Humpty Dumpty.

#73 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-24 03:43 PM

I'm sorry you didn't read the posts leding up to #50 or know the defifintion of the word stereotype.

The "Hopey Changey" movement, as Sarah Palin stated and you repeated without attribution was a bit knee-capped by eight years of Bush who left the position in the middle of an economic meltdown threatening global depression and leaving structural deficits.

But, was the shooting you spoke of in Colorado by a brownish person gunning for old white conservatives?

#70 | Posted by BetelG

First, I rescinded it. I have no information on the shooter. No one does. There was speculation about a hit list.

Second, The Hopey Changey thing is real! That was Obama's entire campaign. Now people are realizing that what he wants to do is not what they want! They thought they were voting for a black man as president. That's change! They didn't know that there was this whole left-wing Socialist takeover of America happening--that's what I'm talking about as the "Hopey Changey" movement ending up DOA. They may be able to stoke it and get it going again after the success or failure of the health bill.

Again, please don't bring the failures of Bush to cover up the obious failures of the Dems. It's dishonest.

If you can prove to me that what Obama is doing is good for America, then we can discuss the failures of Bush Administration.

In other words, you can't excuse Obama because of Bush. That will never fly.

Didn't take BetelG long to go right to the left knee jerk talking points #70 Blame Bush #73 Bring in Race.

#76 | Posted by fishpaw at 2010-02-24 03:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Your comment would be pertinent and sharp had I introduced race, which I didn't. As far as Bush is concerned, I know you don't like to be reminded, but it was appropriate.

re: In other words, you can't excuse Obama because of Bush.

No. but you wish to pretend that Bush never existed, and act as if the last eight years never happened.

There was a "suggestion in the news" that poor brownish folks had started a shooting war on old white people?

From what "news" source did you get this "suggestion"?

#75 | Posted by BetelG

yes, I heard it on the radio. Forget it. It's not believable because now that I think about it, it was probably a commentator. I told you 3 times already. Are you looking for a point to win, here? Geez, you're desperate.

re: In other words, you can't excuse Obama because of Bush.

No. but you wish to pretend that Bush never existed, and act as if the last eight years never happened.

#80 | Posted by BetelG

I agree! I wish it were more like the Clinton years.

re: First, I rescinded it. I have no information on the shooter. No one does. There was speculation about a hit list.

I've only heard it from you.

leding
Leading

defifintion
Definition

I know, type slower or use spell check.

I agree! I wish it were more like the Clinton years.

#82 | Posted by Eddie at 2010-02-24 03:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

The budget was balanced under Clinton, and he left Bush with a surplus which Bush and the Republicans then reversed and doubled the debt while bringing the economy to the precipice of total collapse.

re: First, I rescinded it. I have no information on the shooter. No one does. There was speculation about a hit list.

I've only heard it from you.

#83 | Posted by BetelG

Where are you? Which state?

The budget was balanced under Clinton, and he left Bush with a surplus which Bush and the Republicans then reversed and doubled the debt while bringing the economy to the precipice of total collapse.

#85 | Posted by BetelG

Yes, the Republican Congress balanced the budget under Clinton. Thanks for not lying. You guys are getting it! I agree that Bush and the Republicans in Congress forgot about this Contract with America and started spending out of control.

Obama was supposed to stop all that! But what does he do? He spends a $trillion!!!

What is you point?

Do yourself a favor. Don't compare Bush screw-ups to Obama screw-ups.

BTW, the "precipice of total collapse" is a strawman argument. We will never know because it didn't happen.

Can you prove to me that it would have collapsed if Tarp didn't happen and if the "Stimulus" didn't happen?

I need proof for your argument to have any weight.

Betelg, we know already, Bush=Bad, Obama=good, Clinton=good. Anyone against Obama=racist. Got it.......again.

Well, we can be sure that the reason the Republicans have no health care plan is not because they really don't want one for the American people, but because they want the health care plan to be bipartisan, not one that they come up with in a back room behind closed doors.

Hi, Eddie, oh, bright fellow-

Can you prove to me that without the Stimulus and Tarp there would not have been a collapse? We will never know because it didn't happen that way. I need proof for your argument to have any weight.

You know I'm almost happy that they won't be showing up with a realistic proposal because the President is so desperate to get a healthcare bill past that he might agree to whatever they suggest. I wish I was more confident in the President's poker playing skills.

#2 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

Obama: I'm all in

Opponent: You're called---what's your hand?

Obama: A pair of deuces.

re: Obama was supposed to stop all that! But what does he do? He spends a $trillion!!!

Are you one of those idiots who "think" that when the nation is on the verge of economic collapse, as it was in late 2008, gov't should cut back on spending and raise taxes?

Well, we can be sure that the reason the Republicans have no health care plan is not because they really don't want one for the American people, but because they want the health care plan to be bipartisan, not one that they come up with in a back room behind closed doors.

#89 | Posted by nimbleswitch

Actually, you're only half right. Many (maybe more than half) of the Republicans want no change. I believe that. They are protecting the Corporatism that they helped build over the years. But after November, this neocon part of the party will shrink.

The Conservatives, on the other hand, do have a nice plan for health care reform. It's smart and it's a "Uuniquely American Plan" (Obama's words)

#92 No, cut spending and cut taxes

re: Obama was supposed to stop all that! But what does he do? He spends a $trillion!!!

Are you one of those idiots who "think" that when the nation is on the verge of economic collapse, as it was in late 2008, gov't should cut back on spending and raise taxes?

#92 | Posted by BetelG

What? Are you ignoring me?

You have to prove that we were on the verge of economic collapse. All I have is your word and the word of those who benefited from the bailouts and handouts.

You have absolutely no arguement until you can prove it.

Now, what part of the country do you live? Do you live in Denver? Do you listen to Denver radio? You are just full of shit today, aren't you?

You know I'm almost happy that they won't be showing up with a realistic proposal because the President is so desperate to get a healthcare bill past that he might agree to whatever they suggest. I wish I was more confident in the President's poker playing skills.

#2 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

Obama: I'm all in

Opponent: You're called--show em.

Obama: A pair of deuces.

re: "BTW, the "precipice of total collapse" is a strawman argument."

Only if by "strawman argument" you mean one embraced in a panic by Bush, Cheney, Palin, McCain, Glenn Beck, Bill O'reilly and others, including most all Republicans in their rush to implement TARP in an attempt to stave off a new Great Depression.

More like

Obama: I'm all in

Opponent: You're called--show em.

Obama: I fold.

re: You have to prove that we were on the verge of economic collapse. All I have is your word and the word of those who benefited from the bailouts and handouts.

Such as Bush, Cheney, McCain/Palin (who actually suspended their campaign to push TARP through ), and even Glenn Beck who at the time complained that the TARP bailout wasn't enough?

Eddie: "Do yourself a favor. Don't compare Bush screw-ups to Obama screw-ups."

Well, I certainly agree with you there, Eddie. There is no comparison between Bush's screw ups and Obama's screw ups. Obama's biggest screw up was in believing that Republicans have this country's best interests at heart and would work with Democrats on a bipartisan basis. But, then, Obama hasn't been around Republicans as long as I have.

re: What? Are you ignoring me?

Only in the sense that I would ignore anyone who was as full of shit as you. It's actually a form of politeness: I'll ignore the stupid thing you just said until you repeat it, thus giving you the chance to pretend, along with me, that you aren't really that stupid.

Fishpaw-
re: Obama: I fold.

#98 | Posted by fishpaw at 2010-02-24 04:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Dude. The game is tomorrow.

Now, what part of the country do you live? Do you live in Denver? Do you listen to Denver radio? You are just full of shit today, aren't you?

#95 | Posted by Eddie at 2010-02-24 04:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

In the southwest. No. No. No (this last one is funny coming from someone who recently claimed that there is some merit to the idea that poor brown people are offing white old farts in a shooting war in Colorado)

Great. No ideas.

So the ENTIRE health plan is Democrat

That means not one part of it can be blamed on the Republican party.

The Dems can claim full credit or full demise.

Can't wait for recess.

Will our leaders like to come to the town hall meetings and tell us of their new plan BEFORE they vote on something they didn't read?

Kill this steaming turd of a bill!!!

re: "BTW, the "precipice of total collapse" is a strawman argument."

Only if by "strawman argument" you mean one embraced in a panic by Bush, Cheney, Palin, McCain, Glenn Beck, Bill O'reilly and others, including most all Republicans in their rush to implement TARP in an attempt to stave off a new Great Depression.

#97 | Posted by BetelG

LOL!

So it's a lie when they use it, but you're not lying when you try to use it to defend Obama.

Hmmm....

Ok, sense you can't prove your point, you have no argument.

Is there anything else you'd like to discuss?

Eddie-
re: Such as Bush, Cheney, McCain/Palin (who actually suspended their campaign to push TARP through ), and even Glenn Beck who at the time complained that the TARP bailout wasn't enough?

#99 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-24 04:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

When you come back from your extensive Google search of what happened in the last year, have a good afternoon.

When you come back from your extensive Google search of what happened in the last year, have a good afternoon.

#107 | Posted by BetelG

Ok, see you tomorrow for your next beating.

re: So it's a lie when they use it, but you're not lying when you try to use it to defend Obama.

Um, no. I think the everyone was correct in noting that the economy was on the verge of collapse.

Are you stupid?

*since you can't prove your point...

re: So it's a lie when they use it, but you're not lying when you try to use it to defend Obama.

No, dumbass. I never said that Bush/McCain/Palin/Beck/etc. were wrong in the assessment that the economy was on the verge of complete collapse.

Where the fuck do you get that?

re: So it's a lie when they use it, but you're not lying when you try to use it to defend Obama.

Um, no. I think the everyone was correct in noting that the economy was on the verge of collapse.

Are you stupid?

#109 | Posted by BetelG

Wait!

You were just saying that Bush screwed up! Now you're saying he didn't?

Which is it?

Again, do yourself a favor and don't use Bush screw-ups to defend Obama screw-ups!

God damn. Eddie is one stupid skirt.

#69 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2010-02-24 03:38 PM | Reply | Flag: 101 has a brief moment of clarity

Eddie, what does it indicate to you that even most rightwingers on this site think you are not very bright?

Eddie-
re: So it's a lie when they use it...

No. Please link to where I ever said that. You were the one making the claim that the economic crisis was somehow invented in our collective heads, you fucking retard.

Gee, I don't know, Eddie. Do you think you can handle the weather?

Later blog.

Well, I certainly agree with you there, Eddie. There is no comparison between Bush's screw ups and Obama's screw ups. Obama's biggest screw up was in believing that Republicans have this country's best interests at heart and would work with Democrats on a bipartisan basis. But, then, Obama hasn't been around Republicans as long as I have.

#100 | Posted by nimbleswitch

He only became a recent believer in bipartisanship---when healthcare blew up in his face:

I thought love was only true in fairy tales.
Meant for someone else but not for me.
Ah, love was out to get me (da-du-du-doot-doon).
That's the way it seemed (da-du-du-doot-doon).
Disappointment haunted all my dreams.

Then I saw your face, now I'm a believer.
Not a trace of doubt in my mind.
I'm in love, (mmmmm, oh), I'm a believer!
I couldnt leave you if I tried.

I thought love was more or less a givin' thing,
Seems the more I gave the less I got.
What's the use in tryin' (da-du-du-doot-doon)?
All you get is pain (da-du-du-doot-doon).
When I needed sunshine I got rain.

Oh, then I saw your face, now I'm a believer.
Not a trace of doubt in my mind.
I'm in love, (mmmmm, oh), I'm a believer!
I couldnt leave you if I tried.

Oh!

Ah, love was out to get me (da-du-du-doot-doon).
That's the way it seemed (da-du-du-doot-doon).
Disappointment haunted all my dreams.

Then I saw your face, now I'm a believer.
Not a trace of doubt in my mind.
I'm in love, (mmmmm), oh, I'm a believer!
I couldnt leave you if I tried.

Yes, I saw your face, now I'm a believer.
Well, not a trace of doubt in my mind.
Said, I'm a believer, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
(I'm a believer.)
Said, I'm a believer, yeah,
(I'm a believer.)
Said, I'm a believer...

you fucking retard.

#115 | Posted by BetelG

I'm a fucking retard because I want someone to prove to me that there was going to be a Global Economic Meltdown!

No, let's just bail out the banks so that all the millionaires can protect their assets. Also, lets bail out the auto industry so that all those extremely high union wages can be protected. Oh, and let's spend a $trillion so that the state governors don't have to lay off any gummit workers!

What's next? Missile Defense against Aliens?

Eddie: "Do yourself a favor. Don't compare Bush screw-ups to Obama screw-ups."

Well, I certainly agree with you there, Eddie. There is no comparison between Bush's screw ups and Obama's screw ups. Obama's biggest screw up was in believing that Republicans have this country's best interests at heart and would work with Democrats on a bipartisan basis. But, then, Obama hasn't been around Republicans as long as I have.

#100 | Posted by nimbleswitch

LOL! That's it. Blame the Republicans for giving them enough rope to hang themselves.

On top of that, the Republican neocons will be out come November!

Killing 2 birds with one stone.

Nibble,

How's that "Party of No" slogan working out for ya?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I wish I was more confident in the President's poker playing skills.

#2 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

You have cause for concern---the repubs will only play if they get real input and if the plan moves in the right direction---they know if not they can wait until after Nov. and their poker hand increases considerably. Instead of a low pair they may move up to three of a kind or a straight.

Gee, I don't know, Eddie. Do you think you can handle the weather?

Later blog.

#117 | Posted by BetelG

Da da dunt dunt dunt! Another one bites the Dust!

Oh Corky,

I shut down your thread.

Gee, I don't know, Eddie. Do you think you can handle the weather?

Later blog.

#117 | Posted by BetelG

Da da dunt dunt dunt! Another one bites the Dust!

#123 | Posted by Eddie

Eddie, please, take it easy on these guys (especially Betel). They're sensitive and touchy/feely.

Oh Corky,

I shut down your thread.

#124 | Posted by Eddie

Eddie reminds me of Jethro Clampett, who called the swimming pool the, "cement pond".

It was really a swimming pool all along, Jethro.

"Eddie reminds me of Jethro Clampett..."

But unlike Jethro, Eddie does not appear to have "gradgiated" 6th grade.

I am looking forward to Americans who have a brain seeing thru another Liberal attempt to ram this down our throats.

What's next? Missile Defense against Aliens?

No--not quite--just a new symbol--

who cares ?i just want free health care and i don't care who pays for it.

Would it matter if they had one? The Democrats wouldn't consider it. Hell if the DNC would just add tort reform to their package they'd probably get at least a couple repubs to break ranks and vote for cloture. They won't even do that little, does anyone think they'd consider a Republican written bill.

Republicans should just wreck up this media circus with questions nobody has ever asked Obama. Like for example:

You keep saying "if you like your plan you can keep it," but that doesn't gauruntee that their employee won't drop coverage to save costs now that Americans can just buy into this exchange program, right?

This bill establishes an "Independent Payment Advisory Board," which will cut payments to specialists if they deem that the treatments were unnecessary. Who are you to decide what treatments a doctor decides on are unnecessary?

You are seen on video saying you want to get rid of Private Insurance and that it would take 10-15 years... care to comment?

Back in 2005 you said that eliminating the debate and just a 51 vote majority was against what the founders wanted, and now just 5 years later you've written a bill designed to pass with only 51 votes... care to explain your obvious hypocrisy?

What do you say of Joe Sestak saying you offered him a bribe not to run? (Yeah, that's not about health care but the guy is too afraid to do a press conference so you might as well throw a curve at him)

and so on and so forth...

What people are missing is that this should not be a dem plan vs rep plan. Nothing will get done that way.

The GOP is so fricking cynical that they feel that accross-the-board obstructionism is the best path toward power, so that's the route they will take.
As for Obama - he seems to truly believe that his flowery rhetoric will carry-the-day well-beyond campaign season. The sad reality is that when actually governing that shit doesn't go very far.

#4 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Which is why Harry Reid will probably go for reconciliation at the first sign of obstructionism. I don't think Harry has a snowball's chance in hell being reelected so he will shove this through one way or another..

Nothing will get done that way.

#132 | POSTED BY EM385GUY

Here's hoping

Eddie reminds me of Jethro Clampett, who called the swimming pool the, "cement pond".

It was really a swimming pool all along, Jethro.

#126 | Posted by Corky

Eddie is a stupid STUPID Man!!!!

WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!

-- Corky

LOL!

#131 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

In other words, Rob, the DNC, collectively are too stupid to know just how stupid they are.

They have power for less than a year and have already pissed off the American people beyond belief. It took the Republicans much longer... LOL

What people are missing is that this should not be a dem plan vs rep plan. Nothing will get done that way.

#132 | Posted by em385guy

NO!
What the Obama/Pelosi/Reid machine are missing...

"
Eddie reminds me of Jethro Clampett, who called the swimming pool the, "cement pond".

Jethro was Jed's nephew, I think his last name was Bodine. But yes, Eddie is very reminiscent of him, a complete buffoon.

"Eddie reminds me of Jethro Clampett..."

But unlike Jethro, Eddie does not appear to have "gradgiated" 6th grade.

#127 | Posted by Dave

That's right. It takes no education to shut down the entire thread.

And all I did was to keep the Obama defenders honest... they couldn't do it, so they left.

Scroll up the thread and tell me with a straight face that Eddie is anything except a stupid troll.
Offers nothing to any discussion just works on disrupting any intelligent discussion.

GOP Has No Health Plan for Summit........................
......this is simple. why should the Gov. be involved in heathcare? they will just f*ck it up like everything else they do

"......this is simple. why should the Gov. be involved in heathcare? they will just f*ck it up like everything else they do"

OK, tell the millions of Medicare recipients who depend on it and who would tell you that you are full of shit though they might find more polite language.

OK, tell the millions of Medicare recipients who depend on it and who would tell you that you are full of shit though they might find more polite language.

#143 | POSTED BY DANNI

I wonder what those Medicare patients that used to go to the Arizona Mayo Clinic would say now that they've been told to go fuck themselves and their medicare and come back with better insurance.

OK, tell the millions of Medicare recipients who depend on it and who would tell you that you are full of shit though they might find more polite language.
#143 | POSTED BY DANNI

When the feds run out of money, they'll cut them off. That's when they'll get the message.

Scroll up the thread and tell me with a straight face that Eddie is anything except a stupid troll.
Offers nothing to any discussion just works on disrupting any intelligent discussion.

#141 | Posted by danni

Translation: Stop making me think, Eddie! I WANT MY FREE HEALTH CARE, DAMMIT!

I challenge you to scroll up and point out where I'm wrong.

Danni, these threads all start out the same. Maddow or Obermann tells the Libs to repeat bullshit. I ask them to prove it, a few hangers-on will try flanking manuvers, but eventually I shut them down.

Mostly because they can't back it up.

I shut them down just like I'm shutting your dishonest bullshit down!

Now, where's the trolling?

You're full of shit Danni. Please be more sincere.

Jethro was Jed's nephew, I think his last name was Bodine. But yes, Eddie is very reminiscent of him, a complete buffoon.

#138 | Posted by danni

Don't hate me because I'm smarter than you...

LOL!!!!!

Danni? oh, DANNI?

"I wonder what those Medicare patients that used to go to the Arizona Mayo Clinic would say now that they've been told to go fuck themselves and their medicare and come back with better insurance."

They would probably say that they wouldn't have been seeking any medical care without Medicare so if those Mayo Clinics now reject them then they will find other places to go but they won't pretend, stupidly as you seem to Rob, that somehow without Medicare those clinics would now be welcoming them.

"When the feds run out of money, they'll cut them off. That's when they'll get the message."

When that happens other things besides just Medicare will stop, better hope they don't run out because if they do you too are fucked Ray.

"Danni? oh, DANNI?"

Bother someone else troll.

They would probably say that they wouldn't have been seeking any medical care without Medicare

Medicare keeps you from needing medical care?! That's amazing!!

Danni all over the country fewer and fewer doctors are accepting new medicare patients. Its a trend that is not slowing.

You guys on the left think that just having health insurance is the end all be all. What's the point of having coverage if doctors won't see you?

Rob, to the best of my knowledge the vast majority of Medicare patients are still being seen by their doctors and Medicare rates can and probably will be adjusted so that the doctors who are not accepting them will again accept them. It's a problem but not an unsolvable one. I didn't mean Medicare keeps you from needing medical care (and you know it) but that many or even most seniors wouldn't be able to afford medical care without Medicare.

"......this is simple. why should the Gov. be involved in heathcare? they will just f*ck it up like everything else they do"

OK, tell the millions of Medicare recipients who depend on it and who would tell you that you are full of shit though they might find more polite language.

#143 | Posted by danni at 2010-02-24 09:48 PM

Yeah this is just a well oiled machine, lets expand it to cover another 30 million.

I thought doctors would see anyone no matter what, Rob? Oh, that's only in the emergency room, which was George Bush's health care plan:

"I mean, people have access to health care in America," he [Bush} said. "After all, you just go to an emergency room."

I am am fairly new and only 18. Could anyone please tell me where in the U.S. Constitution it grants the government power to have a national health care plan. I looked everywhere and couldn't find any thing please help.

Re: Medicare's Fee-for-Service program saw $10.4 billion in improper payments, and Medicare Advantage program, $6.8 billion. And this doesn't even include figures for the Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit program, which spent $46 billion in 2008 but did not report its error rate to the GAO.

You've really got some nerve, dude. The Medicare Advantage program is a giveaway to the insurance industry and was a gift from Republicans, and is on the chopping block in the Dem. bill. The Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit program (Medicare Part D) was passed by Bush and the Republicans as an un-financed boondoggle before the election of 2004, and will cost us trillions over the next decade.

#157...

Never miss an opportunity to bring up Bush, regardless of him being as far away from the point of the post as China.

Maybe this is a better link and something tangible you can comprehend for what it is...

Medicare fraud costs billions of dollars each year, according to year, according to testimony from federal officials at a Wednesday hearing of the House Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Health, CongressDaily reports. Acting CMS Administrator Leslie Norwalk said, "The fraudulent business practices of unscrupulous durable medical equipment, orthotics, prosthetics and supplies suppliers continue to cost the Medicare program billions of dollars," adding that CMS "has seen a marked increase in fraud and abuse activities over the past few years that can be directly tied to provider enrollment issues." Examples of fraud include paying kickbacks to physicians who prescribe high-cost wheelchairs when lower-cost equipment would be effective and filing Medicare claims for equipment never delivered or not needed. Medicare and fraud prosecutions have resulted in $11 billion in fines and settlements since 1997, according to the testimony of Daniel Fridman, senior counsel to the attorney general. The HHS Office of Inspector General recently investigated Miami-Dade County, Fla., which has the highest concentration of equipment suppliers per Medicare beneficiary. Investigators conducted inspections of 1,581 sites and uncovered fraud that resulted in 286 suppliers losing Medicare eligibility. At the hearing, federal officials also testified that the rate of mistakes by Medicare that result in overpayments or other errors is dropping. Norwalk said new figures will indicate that the effort to reduce billing and other errors "has been a success." The error rate is on target to reach 4.3% in 2007, compared with 5.2% in 2005 (Posner, CongressDaily, 4/19).

Crispee-
I hate to interrupt you when you in the middle of a rant on reasons to overhaul the health care industry, but do you read your own posts?

Crispee-
re: Never miss an opportunity to bring up Bush, regardless of him being as far away from the point of the post as China.

Gosh, did China enact Medicare Advantage and Medicare Part D, which you brought up?

re: Never miss an opportunity to bring up Bush, regardless of him being as far away from the point of the post as China.

Regarding this whine: Grab some cheese and get used to it. Bush was President for eight years, took a surplus and doubled the debt, started two wars he couldn't finish, left office with the US economy on the brink of total collapse, and is most likely a good candidate for the worst president ever.

I'm sorry if it is a painful subject to you, but we are living with the mess crated by him and Republican dominance under him, and will be paying off that debt for well over the first year of a new President.

Crispee-
I hate to interrupt you when you in the middle of a rant on reasons to overhaul the health care industry, but do you read your own posts?
#159 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-24 11:25 PM |

Did you bother to see what I was responding to about Government being involved Bet? Did you not understand the sarcasm?

Gosh, did China enact Medicare Advantage and Medicare Part D, which you brought up?
#160 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-24 11:32 PM |

What the fuck difference does it make who wrote what in regards to the FRAUD in MEDICARE/MEDICAID????

#155, 157, 161...

Bush, Bush, Bush? Where and what does he have to do with fraud, or the costs every year to the programs because if it? Like I said, never miss an opportunity to bring up Bush...

re: What the fuck difference does it make who wrote what in regards to the FRAUD in MEDICARE/MEDICAID????

Posted by crispee_oc at 2010-02-24 11:41 PM

Well, when you highlight waste in Medicare Part D, an unfunded Republican program, and Medicare Advantage, another unfunded Republican program and conflate private scams such as these with a lack of gov't oversight endemic to the corporate slop that the bills were intended to be, it is relevant.

How much waste and fraud accounted for the need to bailout banks who used the financial system as their own personal guaranteed lottery numbers?

You confuse gov't with the ineffectual gov't promoted and authored by Republicans and "conservatives" and unfortunately too many Democrats who have also been bought and paid for.

I understand that the narrative that you wish to promote is one of a bunch of poor brownish inferiors gaming the system, but that's really not the case.

Well, when you highlight waste in Medicare Part D, an unfunded Republican program, and Medicare Advantage, another unfunded Republican program and conflate private scams such as these with a lack of gov't oversight endemic to the corporate slop that the bills were intended to be, it is relevant.

#164 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-24 11:49 PM

It was the first link in a search. I linked another which you obviously ignored. I guess because you couldn't use Bush or repubs in your retort.

re: Like I said, never miss an opportunity to bring up Bush...

Only in this conversation did I mention Bush, but I didn't "bring him up"; you did when you voted for turning the Clinton balanced budget into a doubling of the debt, a continued lack of regulation in finance, Medicare Part D, two unfunded wars, unfunded tax cuts (passed under reconciliation rules), and the US on the precipice of a Great Depression.

Which brings us to today.

I understand that the narrative that you wish to promote is one of a bunch of poor brownish inferiors gaming the system, but that's really not the case.
#165 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-24 11:54 PM

Yeah you caught me Bet. It is all about race and being from the most conservative county in the US obviously I am a racist all my posts have a racial hidden meaning. Go back to blaming Bush and the Repubs, anything else you post makes you look like a fucking idiot.

It was the first link in a search.

#166 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2010-02-24 11:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Is that how you do it? You just do a search, read the first sentence to satisfy yourself that it meets your ideological criteria and then post it as if you've read, understood, and endorsed it?

Which brings us to today.

#167 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-24 11:59 PM

Nah, you seem to be a clown everyday. Today you are just being a fucking idiot.

Is that how you do it? You just do a search, read the first sentence to satisfy yourself that it meets your ideological criteria and then post it as if you've read, understood, and endorsed it?

#169 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-25 12:02 AM

It was a study on the fraudulent costs of medicare and medicaid. Now if you want to argue the numbers form the study, or make an argument there is no waste in those programs, fire away. Otherwise STFU. God only knows how you can find an ideologcal argument from those studies.

Crispee-
The only reason I mention it in that context is this:

Because I am a white conservative who has worked his ass off the last 30 years. In their eyes I should be happy to pay more taxes.

Posted by crispee_oc at 2010-02-24 03:04 PM | Reply

So, it sticks in my mind. I can't figure why your race has anything to do with your argument, but you seem to think it does. So I took you at your word, and then applied that to your statements.

...and being from the most conservative county in the US

No kidding? Where is that? I never would have guessed.

So, it sticks in my mind. I can't figure why your race has anything to do with your argument, but you seem to think it does. So I took you at your word, and then applied that to your statements.

#172 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-25 12:08 AM |

It wasn't an argument, it was a comment from something another poster wrote using me as an example. Which I explained in a subsequent post. You know where I used the words stereotype and sarcasm?

Crispee-
I've got the thread up, but don't see where another poster introduced race. It seems that only you did. If you can help me out, I'll take another look. It's the same thread I believe (just scroll up)

Crispee-
I've got the thread up, but don't see where another poster introduced race. It seems that only you did. If you can help me out, I'll take another look. It's the same thread I believe (just scroll up)
#175 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-25 12:24 AM

BTW, moron. Why should Crispee pay for deadbeats who won't buy health insurance for their kids?"

Because I am a white conservative who has worked his ass off the last 30 years. In their eyes I should be happy to pay more taxes.
#52 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2010-02-24 03:04 PM |

The "they" I was referring to, are the libs here on Drudge. I have no idea what their races are. The "white" was used for stereotype purposes.
#71 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2010-02-24 03:41 PM

Cripee-
Whatever. Thanks for proving the minor point that it was you who introduced race into the thread, as no one else did. Perhaps you merely projected it, but the fact remains that it came from you.

So why do you feel, as you obviously do, that your race has any bearing on the topic?

re: Because I am a white conservative who has worked his ass off the last 30 years. In their eyes I should be happy to pay more taxes.

I still don't get how your color informs your opinion on this, but it does strongly suggest that you feel that there are others who are not "white" who are after your hard-working white ass.

"I am a white conservative who has worked his ass off the last 30 years. In their eyes I should be happy to pay more taxes."

Why shouldn't you? Why shouldn't I? We've both been witness to record deficits, amassed in our names. We've both been calling for cuts in spending, but we both keep electing jagoffs who do nothing but increase the debt. And even if we were to slash spending, we'd still need to increase taxes if we ever hope to make a dent.

As bad as the pricks are in DC, even worse are the pricks who'd rather pass the problems off to the next generation rather than being responsible for ourselves. The Greatest Generation has been succeeded by The Greediest Generation.

#177...

The comment had nothing to do with the topic to begin with. The comment was written in a sarcastic way. God only knows why you are so hung up on it being about race. Be done with it Bet. There is nothing worthwhile in the post. If you want to call me a racist feel free.

re: The comment had nothing to do with the topic to begin with.The comment was written in a sarcastic way. God only knows why you are so hung up on it being about race. Be done with it Bet. There is nothing worthwhile in the post. If you want to call me a racist feel free.

#180 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2010-02-25 12:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

You made it about race, dude. I should add that I seriously doubt that you are a racist, but I wonder about the glib reference to race in your comment as if this topic had anything to do with race, as you obviously think.

re: The comment was written in a sarcastic way.

See, I still don't get the humor. Maybe you can explain it to me. Is it a common source of humor in "white conservative" circles that poor brown people are out to get your stuff?

"The GOP is so fricking cynical that they feel that accross-the-board obstructionism is the best path toward power, so that's the route they will take."

I really want to flag that as newsworthy.

Still though, they probably don't want to have their heads handed to them again like they did last month. Even if they have good ideas, there is nobody on the right that comes anywhere near the President debate-wise. There are better advocates of GOP ideas right here on this blog. That should depress the hell out of you.

and on those notes: i think all they intend to try to "bring home" from this -- note: no podium all "equals" around a hollow square table -- is to attempt to "cut the president down 'to size'" so to speak... they aren't there, not really, to discuss any issue, only to "belittle" the President of the United States.

i honestly believe that for whatever reason, they hate Obama, personally. and judging from the campaign rallies and some right-wing "protesters", at Tea Parties and so forth, i think it has to be racist. Gingrich, et al, Cantor, Graham,... do not convince for one second that they are not a bunch of racists.

frankly, that reason, racist, is well, at least loudly, represented right here.

Love the "GOP is obstructionist" argument.

GOP couldn't stop this shit if it wanted to (which it does, and so do I).

Dems can run ANYTHING through if they'd like. They have the numbers. Of course, it's total political suicide to do so (Massachusetts!), as every poll of voters says the same thing -- WE DON'T want it.

JM

I suggest you do yourself a favor and brush up on the Standing Rules of the United States Senate.

All that's needed these days is the threat of a filibuster (rather than an actual filibuster) to grind the wheels to a halt for a measure that's drawing less than 60 votes. (Forget majority rule.) Nobody ever claimed the Dems had 60 votes for health care reform; unlike the Reps they're not moving in lockstep.

There's the reconciliation process, of course, although it's more restrictive in what can and cannot be passed, how long whatever passes remains in effect -- just ask the Reps who pushed through Bush's tax cuts -- and relying on it will, of course, provoke more GOP whining.

But start with that Standing Rules of the United States Senate and get back to us when you understand how things really work on Capitol Hill.

"The Greatest Generation has been succeeded by The Greediest Generation."

Should be a bumper sticker on every car owned by anyone 40 or younger. Hey kids, ask your parents how much tuition they paid to go to college. Ask them why they don't want to provide the same leg up to this generation as the one they received from their parents. Boomers are the greediest generation in history.

Boomers are the greediest generation in history.

Yes, they are.

Their greed is going to cost my generation and at least the next 2-3 generations if not more.

...and this still surprises anyone...

the G.O.P.....Got Zero Points to make...
the G.O.P.....Geriatric Old People...
the G.O.P.....Got Zero Plans...
the G.O.P.....Got Only Poop...(in other words,
full of shit)...

I could go on and on, but seriously...

the modernday G.O.P. functions on Fear, Debasing Attacks of the other side, and Obstructionism...

they continue to cater to the lowest elements of
society, and so attract societies sellouts, bigots, and intellectual dregs...and they seem to be just
fine with that...

I'm a boomer at 49 and my kids college is paid-via Pre paid.4 more years and I'm done paying that.

I do pay over $1,100/MO health insurance for me the wife and the kid. That's with a LOW deductible.
Come June I cancel my corporate healthcare and pay private for wife and kid while I apply for VA myself...

Why, cause it's way too expensive for me. I've worked for 30 years and paid my way for 30 years..
Now I'm done. I'll continue to pay for my own family, but will take the Government VA for myself.

Question: Is the VA the Government? Think so...
So to all the assholes who denegrate the government via VA, Medicare or Medicaid, I say a hardy "Fuck You very much!"

I'll take the governments money in a few years when I retire, as well. I'm healthy, not seen a doctor in years, no prescriptions, not overweight, don't smoke or drink.My family leads a fairly healthy lifestyle as well, but I receive no "private insurance" discounts for that.

I've been suffering very high insurance premiums for the last 10 years and I'm disgusted with people who think that no change is necessary.
I certainly didn't need or ask for a handout till now. 30+ years of work paid my debt to society. I still have another 10 to go.

I'll take the VA to help because the private sector won't help...

Stop Obama at all costs. Freeze Washington in its tracks. Obstruct. Delay. Misinform. Confuse. Lie.

Make this Obama's Waterloo.

It was the Plan all along and still is.

#38 | Posted by donnerboy at 2010

trying to find one point here I disagree with but lets look at the conclusion or result..
wont be taxed out the asshole and wont have govt taking over the economy

OH wait..obama said yesterday that he wasnt taking over anything

fuckin liar.

I don't expect anything to come out of Health Care reform but more taxes and less care.

My mom basically had her Job changed this year because of one provision in new Medicare rules that says Nurse Practitioners cannot do nuclear heart test anymore. The test save lives, the advancements in heart failure care are unmistakable. Because of people like my mother doing the test the Doctors focus more on the patient, and with more information in hand to do so. When they talk about cutting waste and fraud, her job is what they consider waste. Yet look at them today with nice little name plaques that cost who knows how much to produce. We don't need a mandate from the Libs to cut waste and fraud it's already illegal, the action to take is to enforce existing laws not make new ones that cost huge sums to first study then implement. We already have Public sector hacks being paid to do this job.

My simple mind thinks there would be a much bigger change in Healthcare and Insurance if the Gov. came up with something simple like: "We are investing in cancer treatment with all avenues to do so to be used, the commitment we as the Fed Gov. are making to our country is this: If you get cancer, you are taken care of under this plan 100% whatever a doctor recommends can help you we will fund. No more people losing coverage half way through treatment, or pawning their belongings or emptying college funds to pay for care their insurance company won't provide. Knowing cancer treatment is one of the most expensive sectors of Healthcare we are taking that burden away from the consumer via rate hikes, and off the hospitals backs via probono care.

Just think of all the money that could be better spent if it was spent on actual targeted care to improve American life and get closer to beating cancer. We already have gov doctors and scientist researching this, we already have money that gets written off books for free care that is given (the funding and model exists already) Without a gaurentee to the Citizens and the Industry that such a sector will no longer be a burden via cost and debt, I feel we would accelerate cancer treatment as was done with polio..

Now I'm an not saying all the care would be Gov employees I'm saying the bills would be paid by this program. Take it out of medicare, take it out of tax breaks, take it out of funding to these fed agencies by switching priorities.

With this we could look at it again after a 5-10 yr period and really see what the true individual needs to be paying for insurance and care.

Sometimes it is as simple as taking on just one problem, especially when it is the most expensive and common problem with people being denied care.

@earthmuse

I can't wait for a news story where a group of "Intelectual Liberals" have their lives saved by some friendly conservative who is legally carrying a gun.
Would they even thank this type of friendly conservative or would they right a dissertation about how it wasn't the fellow citizen with a gun that saved them, but it was their own intellect that did.

And yes, there was this suggestion in the news, but the guy is a wacko! I don't believe it.

Really Eddie? I don't know, I live in Colorado too, my kids to school two miles for Deer Creek Middle School. I never heard any news channel assert that the guy was gunning for white conservatives or had Bush's wifes name on a hit list. Please provide links or I'll have to call you a liar.

Plus why would a guy that is out to shoot white conservatives go to a junior high school to carry out his plans?

And yes, there was this suggestion in the news, but the guy is a wacko! I don't believe it.

Really Eddie? I don't know, I live in Colorado too, my kids to school two miles for Deer Creek Middle School. I never heard any news channel assert that the guy was gunning for white conservatives or had Bush's wifes name on a hit list. Please provide links or I'll have to call you a liar.

Plus why would a guy that is out to shoot white conservatives go to a junior high school to carry out his plans?

#193 | Posted by cjk85

I heard it on the Caples and Silverman show on the radio. It wasn't news. I did say news show.

Anyway, I rescinded it because I couldn't link to it. I said this, what, 5 times?

GOP HAS NO PLAN FOR SUMMIT: So having no plan is worse than having a horrible plan???

in response to, #192 | Posted by RightofSpectrum at 2010-02-25 12:50 PM | Reply | Flag:
above...

@RightofSpectrum

I cant wait for the day when the Right actually acknowledges that some of us on the Left actually work in National Defence,
work to safeguard the country, serve in the Armed Forces, or provide
invaluable services which render the populace safer.
God forbid us "intellectual liberal types" actually having high level security clearances and saving
you Rightwing folk so you can go to your summer
BBQs with peace of mind...

You know I never thought I would say this,
but I miss the days of William F. Buckley and the intellectual right.
At least they could form a cogent argument as to why
they thought the way they did.

p.s. I have both relatives and neighbors on the political Right, and have no problem with everyday people.
I do, however, have a large problem with the G.O.P. leadership, and the non-existant direction they
are taking this country in...

I can't wait for John Boner to be under the spotlights tomorrow and say, "Oh gee America, the dog ate my homework."

#1 | Posted by Corky

Is that what happened?

little o - 120 minutes
dem congress - 115 minutes
rep congress - 110 minutes

Damn, that was fair and ballanced.

Damn, that was fair and ballanced.

#197 | Posted by Sniper at 2010-02-26 02:58 PM | Reply | Flag: has no idea what Fair and Balanced actually means

Let me see if I can help you with that snippy.

The President (Executive Branch) got 120 mins.

The Dems in Congress (Legislative Branch) got 115 mins.

The Pubes in Congress (Legislative Branch) got 110 mins.

Looks pretty "balanced" to me. Each party to the discussion got pretty much the same amount of time. And actually you could say that Congress got twice as much time as the Prez!

So get a grip snippy.

I can't wait for John Boner to be under the spotlights tomorrow and say, "Oh gee America, the dog ate my homework."

#1 | Posted by Corky

Where the fuck is that liar Corky!

Your leader gambled and lost with this summit.

I need to hear you admit it.

I do give leadership credit to Obama for calling the meeting, however.

One of my favorite parts was Nancy Pelosi calling out Boner the Orange Alert and others on their distortions and lies.... and not a peep out of them in retort.

Obama dominates the room at healthcare summit

Your leader gambled and lost with this summit.

ummm no.

Go back and watch it again.

Repubs - Start over.
Dems- Let's talk.
Repubs - Start over.
Dems- Let's talk.
Repubs - Start over.
Dems- Let's talk.
Repubs - Start over.
Dems- Let's talk.

#201 | Posted by Corky

"Let me just make this point, John, because we're not campaigning anymore," [Obama] told McCain. "The election's over."

"Well, I'm reminded of that every day," McCain replied.

OUCH!!!!

You need to be careful what you post, Corky. Did you read the article?

Here's another one from the fuckup-in-chief:

He was almost scornful of Republican Congressman Eric Cantor for sitting behind a copy of the 2,700-page Democratic legislation the Republicans say is overly complex and beholden to special interests.

"We don't care for this bill," Cantor said.

Obama accused him of using the pile of papers as "a prop".

Obama had better behave himself. His arrogance is getting him nowhere with the very people he needs to convince.

Yes, he gambled but because of his arrogance, he lost yesterday.

Let me explain it to you Corkster. The American people are watching! There is a difference between being Presidential and being a complete Jackass.

The people think he's a jackass. You might not, but you are not important. You support him no matter what he does. Obama needs the support of the Conservative Americans in order for this to work.

American People - Start over.
Dems- Let's talk.
American People - Start over.
Dems- Let's talk.
American People - Start over.
Dems- Let's talk.
American People - Start over.
Dems- Let's talk.

#202 | Posted by donnerboy

There fixed it for you.

You think this is a game, don't you? The American people are watching and are pissed!

***

They told the President back in August, yet he keeps pushing this shit!

START OVER!!!!

Let me explain it to you Eddister...

YOU do not speak for the People.

If anyone does speak for and represent the People it would be the POTUS.

Let me explain it to you Eddister...

YOU do not speak for the People.

If anyone does speak for and represent the People it would be the POTUS.

But he's not, is he. How's the polling for Health Care? How's the polling for Cap-n-Trade? How were the last few elections doing for Obama's policies? Obama is busily shitting on the people, not representing them. If he was representing the people he'd shove his health care plan straight up his own ass.

If anyone does speak for and represent the People it would be the POTUS.

#206 | Posted by donnerboy

And....

He's doing that, right? I want to hear you say it.

LOL!!!!

Donner,

Your #206 is one of those "I wish the Retort had an 'Edit Last Post' feature".

I can't believe you said it.

Your #206 is one of those "I wish the Retort had an 'Edit Last Post' feature".

I can't believe you said it.

#209 | Posted by Eddie

nope I stand by my statement

The President represents the People. More so than you or Spokanejim ever will.

In case I was not clear enough.

The U.S. president, the press (or media), and public opinion survey data are all stand-ins--substitutes--for the American people. In the United States as a federal republic, the U.S. president is the sole elected representative of all Americans. Among the president's chief attributes is his role as a rhetorician and national communicator; one person, the president, gives voice to the mass public. He serves as the personification and the symbol of the United States (Ceasar et al. 1981; Cohen 2004; Hart 1987; Wattenberg 2004). Furthermore, the president's role as chief communicator has dominated media attention over the last several decades, albeit at the expense of Congress members, other members of government, and other members of his political party (Rozell 2003). What the public learns about government often comes from what the president imparts.

#210 | Posted by donnerboy

LOL!!!!

You don't get it do you?

Where in your post does it say that Obama is doing the will of the people? That's what "representing" means!

Get it now?

Now go back and see how foolish you are.