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Tuesday, February 23, 2010

Danish political scientist and climate change debunker Bjorn Lomborg is basing his claims on bogus and misleading use of footnotes in his books, Howard Friel claims in his new book The Lomborg Deception. "As an experiment, I looked up one of his footnotes, found that it didn't support what he said, and then did another, and kept going, finding the same pattern," said Friel. "[Lomborg is] a performance artist disguised as an academic."

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I read Cool It and if any of Lomborg's work is shoddy, then it should be exposed.

Having said that, the book starts by stating, unequivicably, that the globe is cooling, man is contributing to a considerable degree and that a number of negative (along with a couple of positives) consequences will result.

The primary thrust of the book is, "OK - so what do we do about it?"

This is where he absolutely lampoons leftist absurdities like Kyoto - these measures cost trillions over the long-haul, foster poverty (and thus reduce the financial ability to actually deal with the negative consequences of a warming globe) and deliver virtually nothing in return.

I have pointed this out time and time again and have never once been rebutted on this blog.

#1 | Posted by JeffJ at 2010-02-23 02:03 PM | Reply | Flag: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Debunking the debunking the debunking the debunking......

Ad nauseum.

Interesting that the GW faithers, attacked relentlessly regarding an almost daily stream of news showing the failures of GW scientists, are now trying to turn the burden of proof over to the skeptics. If you want me to believe something, such as man made Global Warming, you have to prove it to me. I don't have to prove to you that your claims are not true. Your proof is deteriorating before your eyes? Your problem, not mine.

#4 | Posted by SpokaneJim at 2010-02-23 04:51 PM | Reply | Flag: Won't be elected to the National Academy of Sciences next year, either.

The only thing deteriorating are the glaciers.
If you're in Spokane, this one's close:

1982 marker
kevingong.com

1992 marker
ipy.nasa.gov

Go have a look while you can.

nsidc.org

Jim's not going to be admitted to membership in the American Physical Society, either, on account of no education.

Council Keeps Current Climate Change Statement
aps.org

There was one abstention.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Multiple independent studies using different proxies plus the instrumental record: www.realclimate.org

Raw data:

This section allows you to select, from the databank, an image from the original record book containing the raw meteorological data for any given month between December 1794 and June 2000 but excluding April 1795 to June 1795 and June 1825 to December 1832.

Data from July 2000 until January 2010 is available in digital format rather than as a scanned image.
climate.arm.ac.uk

Analyze it yourself, goober.

Earth In Midst Of Sixth Mass Extinction: 50% Of All Species Disappearing
www.sciencedaily.com

Thanks to ignorant, scientifically illiterate morons like Spokanejim, it's too late.

ScienceDaily (Jan. 28, 2009) A new scientific study led by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reaches a powerful conclusion about the climate change caused by future increases of carbon dioxide: to a large extent, there's no going back.

The pioneering study, led by NOAA senior scientist Susan Solomon, shows how changes in surface temperature, rainfall, and sea level are largely irreversible for more than 1,000 years after carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions are completely stopped. The findings appear during the week of January 26 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

www.sciencedaily.com

Natural and anthropogenic changes in atmospheric CO2 over the last 1000 years
adsabs.harvard.edu

BYE!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"Earth In Midst Of Sixth Mass Extinction: 50% Of All Species Disappearing"

Amazing that Zat can't even see his own arguments against himself. This is the sixth? Did man-made global warming cause the other five? Harp on me all you want, keep posting the same inane things day after day, keep pretending you're some sort of scientist, but you're simply incapable of formulating any reasoned argument about how something is happening. Just because group or two "believes" it's happening doesn't mean that you now have irrefutable truth that it is. This alone proves that your claims to be a scientist is simply a self delusional fantasy. So jump back into your pool and try to cool your brain, those two remaining cells have been working overtime.

I'm trying to control my impulse to comment on this one.

I wonder - when the GW lie is finally over, is ZAT going to fly a plane into the IPCC building? His whole life will have crumbled around him and he can post a rant on this website about the thousands of links that were discredited due to politically minded scientists and bureaucrats.

The only house of cards that is falling is the one you live in ZAT. Go take a dip in your pool - what, snowing today?

Yes, the brain trust in this room is simply bursting at the seams. Everyone knows that a snowy day on less than a fraction of a percent of the earth's surface is irrefutable proof that Global Warming is a scam.

BTW, Zatoichi actually is a scientist.

If you want me to believe something, such as man made Global Warming, you have to prove it to me. I don't have to prove to you that your claims are not true.

Lomborg wanted you to believe something too. His "proof" is now in question.

BTW, Zatoichi actually is a scientist.

#11 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-23 05:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who used to always use his pool temperature do discuss this same topic. So betelgeuse - what kind of scientist does that make ZAT?

I am an engineer. Do you want to know the difference between scientists and engineers betel? Scientists make pretty little models in laboratories, engineers build things in the real world. Scientists usually cannot see past their own research - why would they admit a failure? You see engineering failures because when they happen, they happen in the REAL WORLD.

But please, go ahead. Keep taking information from someone who plays in a laboratory with models only as good as the information and the computational methods put into it. Keep taking information from someone who judges global warming by the temperature of his pool. Keep taking information from a former VP with a carbon credit business. Keep taking information from continuously discredited reports.

And for the record, not too many days ago, it was snowing in 49 out of the 50 states - more than a fraction of a percent of the earth's surface.

Scientists usually cannot see past their own research - why would they admit a failure?

Scientists admit failure all the time. We're discussing one such example now:

www.drudge.com

Meteorologist: Put Global Warming in Context

By Joe Bastardi

Unfortunately, I fear that the policies being promoted in the name of global warming are not being driven by a search for scientific truth, but by a political agenda. Many great scientists, more gifted than I, have had their voices muffled when they dissent from what might be considered the "politically correct" version of the global warming story. For example, there are many climate scientists whose work uses actual climate data from satellite and weather balloons and shows little to no warming. Global-warming alarmists and most of the media, despite the fact that these are the most reliable data sets available, routinely ignore their work. This is just one of many examples that could be cited. As a scientist, I find it discomforting to see people trying to shut down debate on this matter by ignoring research that doesn't fit preconceived conclusions.

Furthermore, I fear that this political agenda may be at odds with the ideas that have led to the establishment of our nation as a beacon of freedom and prosperity. A policy aimed at reducing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, a gas that is essential for life as we know it, would necessarily restrict human freedom and economic growth. To reduce carbon dioxide emissions, energy consumption must be reduced, with restrictions on the choices we can make about how we live, travel, and produce goods and services.
www.carolinajournal.com

Meteorologist=weatherman

Keep taking information from continuously discredited reports.

So, in your learned opinion if one item in one "report" is discredited then is the whole report and all other related studies need to be tossed out, right?

Throw the baby out with the bath water!

And for the record, not too many days ago, it was snowing in 49 out of the 50 states - more than a fraction of a percent of the earth's surface.

And for the record that is the dumbest logic put forward by skeptics yet...i.e. "it is really snowing outside right now so Global Warming is a scam!"

let me guess...it was winter in all those states right? And normally in winter it snows at least sometimes in all those states right? So, as an engineer you see the problem with your "logic" right?

Bottom line: GW deniers will not acknowledge GW as a current phenomena until Rush and Beck tell them it is in the rightwing's best interests to do so.

Scientists admit failure all the time. We're discussing one such example now:

www.drudge.com

#14 | Posted by rcade at 2010-02-23 05:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

They did not find the mistake themselves did they RCADE? They pulled a Tiger Woods - only retracted after being caught.

"In the Nature Geoscience retraction, in which Siddall and his colleagues explain their errors, Vermeer and Rahmstorf are thanked for "bringing these issues to our attention".

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2010-02-23 06:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

It is at least as accurate as ZAT measuring GW by his pool temperature - would you not agree?

And yes, you can discredit an entire report if one and only one bit of information is incorrect - especially if the entire report is dependant on that bit of information. If a conclusion is wrong because of faulty data, how can you not question the rest of the report?

Tell me donderboy, how many people are worried about their Toyotas right now? I mean, should you abandon the car just because the brakes don't work? Throwing the bathwater out there too right?

let me guess...it was winter in all those states right? And normally in winter it snows at least sometimes in all those states right? So, as an engineer you see the problem with your "logic" right?

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2010-02-23 06:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah, winter - Dallas TX is known for experiencing snowfall in late February. I am not making the claim that "weather" is an indicator of "climate". I was responding to Betels claim of snow falling on a small percentage of the earth - he was the one claiming that was no indicator of climate - not me claiming it was. Please keep up.

"Everyone knows that a snowy day on less than a fraction of a percent of the earth's surface is irrefutable proof that Global Warming is a scam."

#11 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-23 05:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

re:

And for the record, not too many days ago, it was snowing in 49 out of the 50 states - more than a fraction of a percent of the earth's surface.

#13 | Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2010-02-23 05:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

You're right. That would be about 2 percent of the earth's surface, and it's winter.

Meteorologist=weatherman
#16 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-23 06:08 PM |

I have no doubt this may be some value to human-induced global warming, but there are a lot of things that are happening now that have happened before.

Joe Bastardi, Larry King Live,

Yeah, winter - Dallas TX is known for experiencing snowfall in late February. I am not making the claim that "weather" is an indicator of "climate".

Yes you are, and not only are you completely eliding long-term climate data in favor of a snapshot, but are conflating precipitation with temperature. You are stupid on too many levels to take seriously.

They did not find the mistake themselves did they RCADE? They pulled a Tiger Woods - only retracted after being caught.

Saying they were "caught" suggests there was an intentional effort to mislead. There's zero evidence of that. They made a mistake in their methodology and when this was called to their attention, they investigated the matter and then retracted the results pending further study. Happens all the time in science.

You're right. That would be about 2 percent of the earth's surface, and it's winter.

#22 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-23 06:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

If you would like, I can go research the rest of the world experiencing snow on that day? I believe you stated:

...Everyone knows that a snowy day on less than a fraction of a percent of the earth's surface ....

2 PERCENT is greater than a fraction of a percent. Idiot. Again, I did not bring up snow - YOU DID.

Saying they were "caught" suggests there was an intentional effort to mislead.

#25 | Posted by rcade at 2010-02-23 06:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Phil Jones set a precedent. Forget the wordsmithing - if the methodology is incorrect here, why not elsewhere? Peer review is falling apart in GW science.

Yes you are, and not only are you completely eliding long-term climate data in favor of a snapshot, but are conflating precipitation with temperature. You are stupid on too many levels to take seriously.

#24 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-23 06:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Again, YOU BROUGHT UP SNOW SHITHEAD. What part of your post do you not understand?

"Everyone knows that a snowy day on less than a fraction of a percent of the earth's surface is irrefutable proof that Global Warming is a scam."
#11 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-23 05:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Fucking libs - repeat a lie often enough and you believe it yourselves.

It is almost like he is speaking directly to Betleg about throwing stones.

www.examiner.com

Acknowledging that the views he expressed have become controversial, Bastardi said, "I am not, nor do I seek, to be a spokesman on the AGW [Anthropogenic Global Warming] issue." Rather he said he simply wanted people to "be informed and not simply throw stones."

Bastardi joined a growing line of meteorologists and scientists that are questioning the manmade climate change theory. Dr. William Gray, Professor Emeritus of Colorado State University who is best known for his hurricane forecasts, has long railed against the manmade climate change theory and specifically against the outrageous claims of its advocates like James Hansen. John Coleman, one of the founders of the Weather Channel, has long said that he believed global warming was "the greatest scam in history."

Forget the wordsmithing - if the methodology is incorrect here, why not elsewhere?

There's overwhelming evidence of climate change in studies that have never been questioned. A handful of mistakes do not throw out the entirety of climate studies.

According to GW deniers, unless every single tiny minute factoid of information ever gleaned in the many years of GW climate study which supports the conclusion of manmade global warming is flawless, the conclusions of the entire science are suspect. Any mistake, no matter how minor nor how quickly rectified once pointed out, is sufficient to reject and throw out all the research.

(Unless Rush or Beck say otherwise.)

According to Jesus deniers, unless every single tiny minute factoid of information ever gleaned in the thousand years of biblical study which supports the conclusion of his existence is flawless, the conclusions of the entire history are suspect. Any conflict, mis-interpretation or incorrect translation no matter how quickly pointed out, is sufficent to reject and throw out all the research.

Hmmmmmm.

When the scientists stop using a political playing field in lieu of a scientific one, they will all sound more credible. Too much of a "hope and change" atomosphere in the climate community and not enough "Mr. Gorbachev tear down this wall".

re: Too much of a "hope and change" atomosphere in the climate community and not enough "Mr. Gorbachev tear down this wall".

Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2010-02-23 06:48 PM | Reply

You're really going to have to dig deep and explain that to me.

Jesus is just all right with me, by the way. It's his self-proclaimed followers that have some explaining to do, but not to me.

ice skating across lake erie,first time in decades.

You're really going to have to dig deep and explain that to me.

#34 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-23 06:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why? What would it matter? I have to cut my toenails - certainly more productive than trying to explain anything to you. You can't even remember what you typed on this thread about snow.

I'll make you a deal - you explain how ZAT using his pool temperature as an example of GW is any different than using snowfall and I will explain my comment. Deal?

Jesus is just all right with me, by the way. It's his self-proclaimed followers that have some explaining to do, but not to me.

#35 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-23 06:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

The ones you are having trouble with are not really "his" followers. I agree.

But you are, I'm sure.

Depends on what your definition of "his" is.

ElCid-
re: You can't even remember what you typed on this thread about snow.

I'm quite sure I can. To what are you referring?

And yes, you can discredit an entire report if one and only one bit of information is incorrect - especially if the entire report is dependant on that bit of information. If a conclusion is wrong because of faulty data, how can you not question the rest of the report?

Then please take your BIBLE and throw it out. It contains faulty data therefore then entire conclusion is WRONG!

Tell me donderboy, how many people are worried about their Toyotas right now? I mean, should you abandon the car just because the brakes don't work? Throwing the bathwater out there too right?

#20 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

are you sure you are a REAL engineer and not a Train Engineer or sumthin?

You are talking apples and oranges. Who said they should "abandon" their cars anyway because of faulty brakes? They have been told to FIX their brakes. And you can just park the car until then. You can't really just "park" the Earth until everyone "agrees" Climate Change is real. Some of you will never take your heads out of the sand for some odd reason. WE are going to have to move on without you at some point.

Who said they should "abandon" their cars anyway because of faulty brakes?

You seen Toyota sales? Abanondoning is a good word. Parking the car is not abandoning it? Is ignore a better word?

So you are a bible scholar now donder? I mean, if the rest of us cannot refute "scientific" data from "scientists" it would seem an APPLES TO APPLES comparison would be that if you are not a bible scholar you cannot refute their evidence either.

I bet you have quite a collection of hair nets and nametags donder. Stick with it - management at McDonalds takes time but you will get to eat a lot more fries in the end.

I'm quite sure I can. To what are you referring?

#41 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-23 07:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Everyone knows that a snowy day on less than a fraction of a percent of the earth's surface is irrefutable proof that Global Warming is a scam."
#11 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-23 05:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

YOU brought up the snow on the thread - not me. I merely responded to discredit your claim of the percentage - not that it confirmed a lack of GW as you later lied and attached the claim to me.

But you are, I'm sure.

#39 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-23 07:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

I try my best, but reading what libtards say on the DR everyday is like spending 40 days in the desert with the devil. And I do not have nearly the will of the individual that accomplished that feat.

NOW!!!!!!!! The GW scientists want a "do-over" on their data. WTF!!!! If it was correct, would they want a do-over?

"is like spending 40 days in the desert with the devil."

Have you ever spent 40 days in the desert with the devil?
Brother, that man knows how to party!

Earth In Midst Of Sixth Mass Extinction: 50% Of All Species Disappearing
www.sciencedaily.com

Zat--

What happened in the other 5 Mass Extinctions?

Was it GW, GC, a comet???

They are busted cooking the data.

They were not being scientists--they were being political hacks--like Al Whore.

"And for the record, not too many days ago, it was snowing in 49 out of the 50 states - more than a fraction of a percent of the earth's surface"

D-boy says:
"And for the record that is the dumbest logic put forward by skeptics yet...
i.e. "it is really snowing outside right now so Global Warming is a scam!"

D-boy continues: "let me guess...it was winter in all those states right? And normally in winter it snows at least sometimes in all those states right? So, as an engineer you see the problem with your "logic" right?"

#17 | Posted by donnerboy

ummm, U dope . .
the point being . . .
there has NEVER been snow recorded in 49 states (let alone 50) simultaniously, EVER . . since weather has been recorded

U R truely 2 stupid 2 B allowed 2 reproduce or 2 vote

"And for the record, not too many days ago, it was snowing in 49 out of the 50 states - more than a fraction of a percent of the earth's surface.
#13 | Posted by ELCIDCE90"

For the record, snowfall is related to the amount of moisture in the air. If there is more moisture in the air, like say because the oceans are warmer, than more snow will fall. For the record, no one claims that global climate change is making winters so warm that it can't snow.

than = then

Markh-
What has precipitation to do with temperature?

(answer : a lot, but you don't even come close to understanding or addressing it)

"Have you ever spent 40 days in the desert with the devil?
Brother, that man knows how to party!

#47 | Posted by TheTom"

Setting up for/cleaning up after Burning Man?

YOU brought up the snow on the thread - not me. I merely responded to discredit your claim of the percentage - not that it confirmed a lack of GW as you later lied and attached the claim to me.

#44 | Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2010-02-23 07:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

The only house of cards that is falling is the one you live in ZAT. Go take a dip in your pool - what, snowing today?

#10 | Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2010-02-23 05:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Dumbass

#53 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2010-02-23 08:39 PM | Reply | Flag: another climate expert via "google"

"And for the record, not too many days ago, it was snowing in 49 out of the 50 states - more than a fraction of a percent of the earth's surface."
#13 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

Just as predicted. More precipitation.

Early Warning Signs of Global Warming: Downpours, Heavy Snowfalls, and Flooding

An increase in global temperatures will lead to an intensification of the hydrological cycle. This is because an increase in surface air temperature causes an increase in evaporation and generally higher levels of water vapor in the atmosphere. In addition, a warmer atmosphere is capable of holding more water vapor. The excess water vapor will in turn lead to more frequent heavy precipitation when atmospheric instability is sufficient to trigger precipitation events. Intense precipitation can result in flooding, soil erosion, landslides, and damage to structures and crops.

www.ucsusa.org

Fuck you losers, I'm going back to Fundies Say The Darndest Things. It's more fun laughing at the 'tards there.

"Intense precipitation can result in flooding, soil erosion, landslides, and damage to structures and crops."

No shit? Does too much exposure to the sun cause sunburn?

Markh-
What has precipitation to do with temperature?

(answer : a lot, but you don't even come close to understanding or addressing it)

#52 | Posted by BetelG

perhaps ya can do a "power point" seminar for the orange growers who will lose 20%+ of their product

U can throw some precipitation numbers & other shit at 'em that will make 'em feel good about loosing their asses

ps - B careful if they bring out the pitchforks

www.ucsusa.org

Fuck you losers, I'm going back to Fundies Say The Darndest Things. It's more fun laughing at the 'tards there.

#56 | Posted by Ricky_Retardo

ummm . . . Rick-dude, just wondering how come every page of your G-warming site begs 4 donations when opened???

is it merely a co-ink-i-dink??

Everyone was rolling on the floor and speaking in tongues and I thought I had walked into a fundamentalist holy roller church. But no this was the Global Warming Freakshow. Al Gore is the pastor. No matter what the scoence says these people have their faith.

If you would like, I can go research the rest of the world experiencing snow on that day? I believe you stated:
...Everyone knows that a snowy day on less than a fraction of a percent of the earth's surface ....
2 PERCENT is greater than a fraction of a percent. Idiot. Again, I did not bring up snow - YOU DID.

#26 | POSTED BY ELCIDCE90 AT 2010-02-23 06:25 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Snow, as Betelg point out is a dumb measurement and isn't useful. I have the numbers.

Would you like to know how the rest of the planet's doing for January 2010 wrt temperature? 5 degrees hotter in Africa and Asia, Canada. That land-mass exceeds the part of the US that's a bit chilly by more than an order of magnitude.

Pictures to make it easier:

www.ncdc.noaa.gov

www.ncdc.noaa.gov

Or do your own research:

www.ncdc.noaa.gov

Nazis and Rethuglicans have always been loose with facts. They are not alone. A majority of the academic Economic community has sold itself to highest bidder, the Corporate-Government conspiracy to defraud labor of the wealth they create for Capitalists.

#55 | Posted by eberly at 2010-02-23 08:41 PM | Reply | Flag: Gots nuthin'

so NASA, NOAA, and majority of Climate Scientists are all in on this scam, some big conspiracy. Wow only a winger would fall for that. Why are right wingers so intmitated by science. Remember righties telling us smoking can't cause cancer, that it's a hoax. ditto on asbsetos. Is it a requirement that righties fail science?

go to NOAA's site and you will find that GW leads to bad weather includng snow storms.

Early Warning Signs of Global Warming: Downpours, Heavy Snowfalls, and Flooding

An increase in global temperatures will lead to an intensification of the hydrological cycle. This is because an increase in surface air temperature causes an increase in evaporation and generally higher levels of water vapor in the atmosphere. In addition, a warmer atmosphere is capable of holding more water vapor. The excess water vapor will in turn lead to more frequent heavy precipitation when atmospheric instability is sufficient to trigger precipitation events. Intense precipitation can result in flooding, soil erosion, landslides, and damage to structures and crops.

Yeah, why weren't we all told about this earlier, like say..... last fucking fall.

You doucebags have 20/20 hindsight and 0/0 forward sight.

Man, if I ever commit a crime I'm gonna get a global warming alarmist to think up my alibi. They are awesome with coming up with plausible explanations after the fact.

Shit at perdictions though.

It seems pretty obvious to me why the right wing people fail to understand the issues at hand. They have been told for years by the media they choose to watch and by their peers that there is no such thing as man made climate change. These people will never understand the issues simply because they don't understand the concept of time.

Take for example the bark beetle infestation of the nation's forests. There has been forests in America for millions of years, in fact most of the continent was forested for millions of years. There have been bark beetles for millions of years. They are probably as old as conifers. After the last ice age which was the result of the a natural cyclic phenomenon associated with Milankovich cycles (precession, axial tilt and eccentricity) the forests regenerated over a period of about 10,000 years. Bark beetles evolved along with them. They moved from lower elevations to higher elevations with the rise in temperature. Freezing kills their eggs and larva so altitude kept them in check for the past 8 thousand years or more (a period of relatively stable temperatures). Now, in less then a generation of mankind (just a few decades) they have doubled their range.

www.sciencedaily.com

Anyone can take a drive to their nearest mountain range and see the devastation these insects have caused, but they don't see how fast this forest plague has developed into a full blown epidemic so they don't understand the concepts of cause and effect.

You can't blame the non scientists. It's our nature as human animals to only see what is around us today, not 200 or 2 thousand or even 2 million years ago. That is where the scientific process of research and discovery makes us different from the rest of the animals. We have the ability to observe and reason and also record events which become historical records. We can if we choose explain things in a concept of time. The problem with time is that it is a fourth dimension that is nearly infinite and therefore somewhat elusive.

The whole argument against AWG as proposed by the right is based on past cycles. They just don't understand the scale they are discussing. Either you get it or you don't.

I think liberal thinking and conservative thinking is a natural reaction to our concept of how we view time. Conservatives discovered what works for them based on what happened in the near past. They, in effect, are caught in a dilemma that is predictable only if things don't change too fast. A future that changes too fast scares the hell out of them.

When Aldous Huxley Wrote 'Brave New World' he was scoffed at by the right, yet look how many of his predictions became reality. He understood the concept that the the world is ever changing or dynamic, not static as the right needs to believe in order to make business and personal decisions. Liberals, in contrast, expect change and flow with it. They don't fear change as much when they accept that it is inevitable. They tend to react by trying new ideas and methods of coping with change. Conservatives insist oil is the best form of energy production because it works and they don't see the need to invest in other resources. They view it as an infinite resource (some even suggest it comes from lava), where as liberals understand the concept of non-renewable resources and plan ahead knowing that the future will be different as the population goes up.

We can't blame the right, they will always be close minded and unaware of the factor of time. It's like yin and yang. We must learn to co-exist. The world needs the worker bees on the right and the creative thinkers on the left. It's best to just not worry about what the right thinks and get on with the business of creating alternatives to the pending ecological crisis. The right will get around to realizing the need for innovation soon enough.

Keep believin', libbies! Global Warming is falling apart faster than you thought the Himilayan ice sheets were, the "scientists" pushing the hysteria have been thoroughly discredited by themselves, but you guys won't let go.

And I don't want you to. There's nothing more amusing than a "Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Mondale" sticker on a car that hasn't been cleaned in 10 years, or a "Save The Planet" sticker on a Yukon.

Libbies are funnier'n TV.

Isn't this like the pot calling the kettle black?

(Unless Rush or Beck say otherwise.)

#32 | Posted by moder8
* * * *

Half the people you just mentioned believe in Global Warming. By definition, any knuckle-dragging tea-partying global-warming denier who listens to Glen Beck must be able to think for himself, after all.

I wonder how many liberals drive SUV's, though?

Isn't this like the pot calling the kettle black?

No, it's more like the sky calling the grass green.

Be Well.

Libs are so smart. They must be because they get off on telling everyone how much smarter they are than all those mind numbed robot consrvaties that wait for their opinions to be formed by Rush and Beck.

What a bunch of arrogant shitbags

You fucking libs only read what you want to read and hear what you want to hear. FOR THE RECORD

DUMBASS BETELG BROUGHT UP SNOW ON THIS THREAD FIRST!!!!!!!!!

I responded to his statement about a small percentage of the earth being covered with a statement.

YOU STUPID FUCKING LIBS NEED TO GET OFF THE POT AND READ!!!!!!!

AGAIN - HOW IS COMPARING SNOWFALL ANY DIFFERENT TO ZAT USING HIS POOL TEMPERATURE. God but you libs are shitheads - and yes this is a rant. YOU CLAIM TO BE THE SMART ONES BUT CAN'T EVENT DISSEMINATE INFORMATION FROM A STUPID THREAD???????

Read the fucking thread again and then take the shit out of your mouths.

The only house of cards that is falling is the one you live in ZAT. Go take a dip in your pool - what, snowing today?

#10 | Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2010-02-23 05:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is the only comment I made about snow being related to temperature and it was to shove it up ZATs ass for his pool comments only. The rest of you can now shove it up your ass also.

The whole argument against AWG as proposed by the right is based on past cycles. They just don't understand the scale they are discussing.

#66 | Posted by RingMaster at 2010-02-24 08:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, please discuss the sample pool of temperatures ZAT and others post here continuously. How old is the earth? What is the comparitive sample pool of temperature data?

Now please again tell us how "non" scientists only look at the now.

Again, if they would not have politicized the science, it would have more credibility. So called "peer reviewed" documents keep being discredited - why?

Every night I would sneak over to Zat's house and pee in his pool.

But the last few months, it just got too cold.

#74 | Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2010-02-24 10:19 AM | Reply | Flag: not real bright

Science 14 December 2007:
Vol. 318. no. 5857, pp. 1737 - 1742
DOI: 10.1126/science.1152509

Review
Coral Reefs Under Rapid Climate Change and Ocean Acidification
O. Hoegh-Guldberg,1* P. J. Mumby,2 A. J. Hooten,3 R. S. Steneck,4 P. Greenfield,5 E. Gomez,6 C. D. Harvell,7 P. F. Sale,8 A. J. Edwards,9 K. Caldeira,10 N. Knowlton,11 C. M. Eakin,12 R. Iglesias-Prieto,13 N. Muthiga,14 R. H. Bradbury,15 A. Dubi,16 M. E. Hatziolos17

Atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration is expected to exceed 500 parts per million and global temperatures to rise by at least 2C by 2050 to 2100, values that significantly exceed those of at least the past 420,000 years during which most extant marine organisms evolved.

www.sciencemag.org

400,000 year temp record
www.climateactionnetwork.ca

Last time carbon dioxide levels were this high: 15 million years ago
newsroom.ucla.edu

Happy extinction, stupid.
You deserve it.

Oh, ... You need to fix that caps lock key little boy.

#76 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2010-02-24 10:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

Whatever ZAT - keep using your pool as a GW gage. What the hell kind of scientist are you again? A cut and paste one?

Don't worry about the caps lock you old fuck - go back to your lab and let the rest of us work in the real world.

A graph from 1950? Really ZAT? Technology has not changed since 1950. The fucking graph shows peaks and valleys - how is that possible without SUVs and their contributing CO2? It appears every 50k years or so, CO2 and temps rise? So even if GW was valid or a concern, man made GW is Bullshit according to the graph from your link back 400,000 years. Didn't know they had thermometers back then. How did they derive the temp data back in 1950? Methodology still the same?

What the hell kind of scientist are you?

....Last time carbon dioxide levels were this high: 15 million years ago....

Not according to YOUR OWN LINK - 1950s graph

Looks like around 125k years ago they were higher.

Believe what you want - you have another 15-20 years on the planet. Then you will be extinct from causes other than climate and the worlds CO2 levels will definately drop because of all the hot air you will no longer be expelling.

#77 | POSTED BY ELCIDCE90

I don't think you read the graph right...at all.

The present day levels are off the charts at 375 ppmv when they were 280 ppmv 125,000 years ago...

If a Denier's house starts on fire, he'll explain to his his air conditioner went out once, it got quite warm, and this is just another heating cycle.

Zat's no different from all the others--he cherry picks his data, he lies about what it is that he does pick, insults the intelligence of everyone who disagrees with him, then enjoys a personal lifestyle that pretends that earth's resources are infinite.

No wonder nobody pays attention to him anymore, or his stupid friends.


Zat's no different from all the others--he cherry picks his data, he lies about what it is that he does pick, insults the intelligence of everyone who disagrees with him, then enjoys a personal lifestyle that pretends that earth's resources are infinite.

No wonder nobody pays attention to him anymore, or his stupid friends.

#80 | Posted by rightisright

I like Zat...but...Amen!

I can't fathom how one can claim to be a scientist, but have universal disdain toward any and all contradictions toward a theory that he favors. Such a mindset turns the scientific method on its face and makes the Catholics, during the Galileo period, look open-minded by comparison.

78 | Posted by Sycophant at 2010-02-24 10:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

If you are referring to the annotation on the upper right hand corner I did not see it at first glance - technically it is not on the graph. However, the measurement of CO2 from ice cores 60 years ago seems suspect. No new technology? How much of the CO2 abosorbed in the ice relates to airborne levels?

"We really don't know how high CO2 has been in the geologic past. Thus we don't know how sensitive the surface temperature of the Earth is to CO2," said Don DePaolo, head of the Earth Sciences Division at the Lawrence Berkley National Laboratory in California.

Seems the theory of relating CO2 levels to temperature are not exact either.

#82 | POSTED BY ELCIDCE90

Translation: There is a loud buzzing sound, lots of smoke, the paint is peeling, and my ice cream melted...along with the plastic bowl it was in. There may be a fire but I'll wait for "conclusive proof" and universal acceptance by the scientific community.

"So called "peer reviewed" documents keep being discredited - why?"

first identify or show us these discredited documents, then I may answer "why"!

#83 | Posted by Sycophant at 2010-02-24 11:30 AM | Reply | Flag: Chicken little

If the libs can advance a control agenda over behavior - they claim the sky is falling. There is nothing wrong with planning for the future based on what we know today. The problem is in the agreement of what we actually know and what it actually means.

What kind of car do you drive syco? What is your thermostat set on right now? How many lights do you have on in your house? Do you make sure you combine all your errands for the day to make one trip? Do you recycle 100% of your refuse that you can?

If not - your a hypocrite - there is a buzzing sound, lots of smoke, the paint is peeling.....you get the idea.

If you do - good for you. Helping the environment in a sane and realistic way is not only environmentally friendly it saves you money.

first identify or show us these discredited documents, then I may answer "why"!

#84 | Posted by VMA224 at 2010-02-24 11:37 AM | Reply | Flag: Thinks he is on a bash palin thread

"Have you ever spent 40 days in the desert with the devil?
Brother, that man knows how to party!
#47 | Posted by TheTom"

"Setting up for/cleaning up after Burning Man?
#53 | Posted by mOntecOre"

"#53 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2010-02-23 08:39 PM Reply | Flag: another climate expert via "google"
#55 | Posted by eberly"

Um, what? What does #53 have to do with the climate? Fuck, Eberly, you're losing it.

You fucking libs only read what you want to read and hear what you want to hear.

If you can't find any thing intelligent to say start a swearing tantrum.

Sounds to me like all the pubbies around here have too offer anymore is potty mouth, so yes you are correct in a way. Who want's to listen to this insulting crybaby shit? I see this pattern repeated in every climate thread. The cons only defense is and will always be name calling, snide remarks and finger pointing at those who more then them.

There is none so blind as those who will not look.

The article this thread is based on is a perfect example.

Moder8 says that we who don't buy into the scam that is global warming are waiting for Rush or Beck to change their views on it. Well, how do you explain my views on it when I don't listen to a single talk show, nor do I watch a single cable news program? I've said all along that this is a scam and the only evidence to come out lately points in that direction. How do you explain the reversals and outright admissions of faulty evidence?

Moder8 says that we who don't buy into the scam that is global warming are waiting for Rush or Beck to change their views on it. Well, how do you explain my views on it when I don't listen to a single talk show, nor do I watch a single cable news program? I've said all along that this is a scam and the only evidence to come out lately points in that direction. How do you explain the reversals and outright admissions of faulty evidence?

everlong...I listen to both sides. Rush is my favorite comedian. Beck is not far behind, but my real passion is science. You sound like a very uneducated man who is too close minded and wrapped up in yourself to really judge anything fairly, so why should anyone care what you think?

The article this thread is based on is a perfect example.

#88 | Posted by RingMaster at 2010-02-24 12:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

QED - you don't even know what my rant was about obviously. Keep your head in the sand. You appear more intelligent.

Ringmaster, it's amazing how much you gleaned from my post to be able to judge my character. And a liberal's only argument, often times, is to just say whoever they disagree with is uneducated. You have no idea what I do or don't know concerning global warming. I am certainly not an expert but I know enough to be able to post here on the subject.

The fact of the matter is that there is no proof what so ever that humans are responsible for any climate shift. And if we are supposed to be, how do you explain North America experiencing a 17 degree drop in temperature over a 50 year period leading into our last ice age on this continent? Man certainly had nothing to do with that yet it was the most dramatic temperature shift in thousands of years. How do you explain that occurrence?

I am certainly not an expert but I know enough to be able to post here on the subject.

The fact of the matter is that there is no proof what so ever that humans are responsible for any climate shift.

You and half the other crowd here. Anyway with comments like this, I'm stickin' by my opinion of you.

As for your 17 degree drop over a 50 year period that led to the ice age, post a link smarty pants from a reputable site. I know the difference if you don't. Anyone can write fiction.

you don't even know what my rant was about obviously. Keep your head in the sand. You appear more intelligent.

You are right. Nobody does. That's why I'm calling you out. I'm tired of the ignorant posts. So? Sue me. Isn't hate speech always the way it goes with you mindless trolls these days?

You really should know that "Stenwilly" suspects that environmentalists may have colluded with Al Qaeda on 9/11, just to put your interlocutor into perspective and provide a handy guide to his relative level of crazy.

You are right. Nobody does. That's why I'm calling you out.

#95 | Posted by RingMaster at 2010-02-24 02:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Calling me out on calling out Betelg? Betelg made a comment about the amount of snowfall present on the planet (a small fraction of one percent). I simply posted the fact that last week 49 of 50 states received appreciable snow fall. I did not connect this to GW - he later did. Which then was adopted by the rest of the knee jerk liberals.

I then asked him what the difference was between equating snowfall to GW and equating ZATs pool temperature to GW.

Knee jerk liberals set me off ding dong - not GW. Not questions about GW. Lack of comprehension by liberals on this thread over a side discussion which they later mutated into me equating snowfall with GW.

Isn't that always the way it goes with you mindless libtards these days? Always easier to jump into a thread and just disagree than research the thread. (must use insult here) tool.

I simply posted the fact that last week 49 of 50 states received appreciable snow fall.

So, you think that is not implying something? Of course it is, whether you think so or not.

You better get used to bazaar weather. Climatology and meteorology are both like a finely tuned spinning top that takes thousands of years to cycle back and forth through ice ages to tropical climates. What humans have done is knock it off balance in less then a century. Of course there will be extreme weather as a result. Just because you don't get it doesn't mean shit to mother Earth. You come off with the anti-liberal rant because of your political convictions, not any inherent understanding of climatology. I see right through people like you. You are the one who still has the blinders on.

At least betelg understands the difference between politics and science.

re: I simply posted the fact that last week 49 of 50 states received appreciable snow fall.

You noted snow first, and I called you on it. You then dug yourself deeper all the while claiming that you don't intend to suggest anything by your obsession with snow.

Your protestations are beyond risible.

DUMBASS BETELG BROUGHT UP SNOW ON THIS THREAD FIRST!!!!!!!!!

Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2010-02-24 10:09 AM | Reply

No, I didn't. I welcome anyone to check out the relevant thread and see for themselves. I also welcome an apology from "ElCid".

"Knee jerk liberals set me off ding dong "
Projection, common among the ignorant!

The only house of cards that is falling is the one you live in ZAT. Go take a dip in your pool - what, snowing today?

#10 | POSTED BY ELCIDCE90 AT 2010-02-23 05:25 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Yes, the brain trust in this room is simply bursting at the seams. Everyone knows that a snowy day on less than a fraction of a percent of the earth's surface is irrefutable proof that Global Warming is a scam.
BTW, Zatoichi actually is a scientist.

#11 | POSTED BY BETELG AT 2010-02-23 05:31 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Checked.

No, I didn't. I welcome anyone to check out the relevant thread and see for themselves. I also welcome an apology from "ElCid".

#101 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-24 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Go take a dip in your pool - what, snowing today?"

#10 | Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2010-02-23 05:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

If this is what you are referring to - I hardly see that GW is mentioned here. It was a dig at ZAT for using his pool to measure GW. You brought up snow and GW in the same breath - not me.

Everyone knows that a snowy day on less than a fraction of a percent of the earth's surface is irrefutable proof that Global Warming is a scam.

#11 | POSTED BY BETELG AT 2010-02-23 05:31 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

I retract the claim you brought up "snow" first. You brought up snow and GW first. Better?

YAV - this goes for you also.

Jesus, Ringmaster, I thought you were the educated one here. It is common knowledge that the temperatures dropped 17 degrees over a fifty year period before North America's last ice age. Every scientist knows it happened. Just because you are in the dark doesn't mean that I have to provide links. You are just as capable in looking up the resources as I am. I tell you what. I don't have time today, but if this thread is still up tomorrow, I'll provider you with the information. Since you are deciding to take the lazy way out. When I do provide the info. I want you to explain how it could happen with no industry, no cars or airplanes. There were just humans and a lot of big mammals roaming the earth during this period and the ice age killed many of them.

Ringamster, here are some calculations. They don't respond directly to North America, but they fall in line with what I have been saying about drastic changes in temperature.

Anyway, the Younger Dryas lasted about 1400 years. Temperatures dropped dramatically in Europe: about 7C in only 20 years! In Greenland, it was 15 C colder during the Younger Dryas than today. In England, the average annual temperature was -5 C, so glaciers started forming. We can see evidence of this event from oxygen isotope records and many other things.

# Over the last million years there have been about ten Ice Ages - though counting Ice Ages is a bit like counting "really deep valleys" in a hilly landscape.
# From 150 to 120 thousand years ago it warmed up rather rapidly. From 120 thousand years ago to 16 thousand years ago it cooled down - that was the last Ice Age. Then it warmed up rather rapidly again.
# Over the last 10 thousand years temperatures have been unusually constant.
Over the last 150 years it has been warming up slightly.

. 31,000 + scientists dispute UN's
global warming claims

OISM will announce that more than 31,000 scientists have signed a petition rejecting claims of human-caused global warming. It is evident that 31,072 Americans with university degrees in science including 9,021 PhDs, are not "a few." Moreover, from the clear and strong petition statement that they have signed, it is evident that these 31,072 American scientists are not "skeptics." Following the Press Club event, 10:00am, Monday May 19 at the Holeman Lounge at the National Press Club, 529 14th St., NW, Washington, DC - Dr. Robinson will host a lunch briefing on the Hill. Interested parties may join him in the Environment and Public Works hearing room, 406 Dirksen at noon for lunch on Monday May 19.]

everlong...The OSIM is not a climatology group. It is a medical studies group. There is nearly 8 million doctors in the US. I would think it was fair to say the vast majority are republicans.

Who really cares what 1% of them think?

I damn sure don't.

It is common knowledge that the temperatures dropped 17 degrees over a fifty year period before North America's last ice age.

If it's common knowledge then prove it. I say you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose.

re: I just follow the facts. It is quite obvious that Van Jones and his other socialist friends that now work at the Appollo group are helping Al-Queda in america.

#106 | Posted by StenWilly at 2010-02-24 06:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Right. You are insane. But even your brand of insanity must see some cognitive dissonance in your truly stupid assumption that Al Qaeda is a liberal or socialist organization.

Yes, you are either a complete fucking retard, or you are quite simply insane.

re: Environmentalists were always against the WTC from being built. It is not beyond their capabilities to have helped Al=Queda plan 9/11

Posted by StenWilly at 2010-02-24 02:39 PM | Reply

Yeah, whatever.

re: "So what did you learn that in the sandbox when you chose to mae fun of the short Jewish kid."

What the living fuck are you babbling about?

It sounds like you got the makings for an Al-Queda operative.

Yeah...um......how 'bout you step away from the keyboard, have a beer and just calm down.

Or not.

Either way, I'm done for the night.

Nope. I am quite same.

As in "Same shit, different day"?

Al-Queda and Environmental fundamentalism have quite a lot in common. Both don't accept any alternative to their viiewpoint acceptable. The only way to do with people that disagree with them is death and destruction.

Wow, that might just be the stupidest thing Spud has ever seen posted here and Spud's read a lot of Babblers posts over the years so that's saying something.

It is quite obvious that Van Jones and his other socialist friends that now work at the Appollo group are helping Al-Queda in america.

* facepalm *

K, that was even stupider.

One more time, idjit, the ability of the earth to absorb the environmental impact of 6 plus billion human beings has long been superceded.

We are at the start of the most significant enviromental crisis to ever face humanity and you morons are still spewing batshiat insane RW talking points and pretending that the AGW debate is dead.

The only things dead around here are the brains of the deniers.

Be Well.

Just get it over with and join Al-Queda.

People like you do more damage to the US than AQ ever could.

Be Well.

/Anyone else getting the feeling that StumpyWilly is actually tImbecile in disguise?
//Can there really be two people on earth that stupid?

either a complete fucking retard, or you are quite simply insane.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

He's prolly both.

Be Well.

Actually I am very well educated. I don't need to brag about it unlike Ringmaster. I am quite sane although I have been trying to buy a closed mental hospital to develop the property

You went to Stern, right?

Ringmaster, this doesn't give the exact amount the temperature dropped, but it does say how significant it was and how quickly it happened.

news.scotsman.com

#127...everlong, while I would not say it was impossible to have a sudden change in climate it would logically have to be triggered by a catastrophic event such as a meteor impact or massive volcanic eruption. There is after all such a thing as Brownian motion and the laws of thermodynamics at play here. In the real world temperatures don't just plunge overnight without a cause.

You really must have had to dig for that one. I'm certain that, should I choose to waste my time trying to prove that the moon was made of green cheese, I could find some reference to it in the world of tabloid news too.

Good luck in your pursuit though, at least you are trying, which is better then most of the sheep.

Actually I am very well educated. I don't need to brag about it unlike Ringmaster. I am quite sane although I have been trying to buy a closed mental hospital to develop the property

Thank God for public schools. Where it not for that, old mental hospitals would never become the Stenwilly human excrement experimental labs of the future.

/Anyone else getting the feeling that StumpyWilly is actually tImbecile in disguise?
//Can there really be two people on earth that stupid?

Good one spud. There is a few more here that I suspected, but I'd put money on that hunch.

footnote: so now the US tax to stem global warming can move forward beginning with payment to the european union benevolent polar bear society

Ringmaster, it took me no time at all to find that information. And even faced with the facts you still claim it takes something drastic to change our climate. The initial fact I gave you, by the way, of the temperature dropping 17 degrees in 50 years came from a special on America's ice age on the discovery channel. Now, maybe they have their facts wrong but they clearly stated that North America's temperature dropped 17 degrees over a 50 year period.

The point is that it has happened before and it was much more drastic than anything we are seeing today. Not to mention that there is no way that it was induced by man. One of the points global warming skeptics make all the time is that the climate has shifted many times in the past without man's intervention. So, to say that we are at fault today is not a statement based in reality. Or, at least, based on what has happened in the past.

The article I cited says just how quickly Europe entered into their last ice age. It was an astounding pace. Much faster than any warming that is occurring today.

Ringmaster, here's some more that I found.

"Anyway, the Younger Dryas lasted about 1400 years. Temperatures dropped dramatically in Europe: about 7C in only 20 years! In Greenland, it was 15 C colder during the Younger Dryas than today. In England, the average annual temperature was -5 C, so glaciers started forming. We can see evidence of this event from oxygen isotope records and many other things."

Just so you know, 7 degrees Celsius is 44.6 degrees Fahrenheit. So, that was even faster than 50 years. I can stop any time you wish.

And I just can't let this pass. I provided you with solid information to back up my claim and you use the example of proving the moon is made out of cheese. That shows just how closed your mind is, along with the other global warming alarmists out there. You are so shut off to listening to a skeptic that this is truly like a religion for you.

Saying you could prove the moon was made out of cheese if you looked hard enough proves that you have no interest at all in seeing if I'm right or not. Your mind is made up already. Well, I've presented the facts. That certain parts of the earth did, in fact, cool extremely fast before the last ice age with no help from a catastrophic event, the earth wobbling on its axis, or anything that man did. The climate shifted all on its own just like it is doing today. But people like yourself can't handle hearing things like that.

Spud, if you're so sure that we are headed for ruin because we won't do anything about our climate, why don't you explain to me what I've been talking about? Ringmaster won't. Tell me, if we have the power to manipulate our climate then how did the temperature in Europe drop 7 degrees Celsius in only 20 years before the last ice age?

Man was certainly not responsible for it, and they couldn't have done a damn thing to stop it either. This is what irks me about you global warming fanatical alarmists. You actually think that we could stop our climate from warming if that is what it intends to do. No amount of carbon taxes or shutting down factories or even stopping driving cars will have an effect on a climate that is going to do what it is going to do. The arrogance of people like you who actually believe that we can do a damn thing about it is just astounding.

Sp, please tell me how and why the temperature dropped so much so suddenly before our last ice age. I await your answer.

I bet this thread goes away before someone will explain to me how the temperature in Europe dropped 44 degrees Fahrenheit in just 20 years. And how it dropped 17 degrees Fahrenheit in North America over 50 years. I just want to know how this happened without factories, cars, and man in general. How could the climate shift so dramatically all by itself?

If you listen to global warming alarmists today, you would know that man controls the climate. So, how did something like this happen without the interference of man? Someone please tell me. If I don't get an answer before this thread dies, I'll know that none of you could come up with a decent response and thus gave up.

Ringmaster, it took me no time at all to find that information.

All I asked is that you post a link. Where is it?

At any rate 7C is 44F Ill grant you that, but look at what you actually wrote, "Just so you know, 7 degrees Celsius is 44.6 degrees Fahrenheit. So, that was even faster than 50 years. I can stop any time you wish."

7 x 1.8 = 12.6 +32 = 44.6

1.8 is the difference in scale and +32 is the difference in location on the scale.

In other words a 7C decrease on a centigrade scale = a 12.6 degree decrease on a Fahrenheit scale.

What's with the fuzzy math?

At any rate, where is the number of years factored in your equation?

Qualify your argument or bug off.

sounds like the global warming alarmist are desperate and running scared. People now know of they're fear mongering and greatly exaggerated reports.

How many errors and exaggerated reports does it take for you alarmists to go away? Your models have failed. The weather is not turning out the way you want it to. Best of all you're completely wrong.

Now you're saying the cooling trend is global warming. Now you're saying the lack of hurricanes is global warming. You link everything to global warming.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that you're full of shit and you don't know what you're talking about.

Fact: Without the green house effect earth would be 0 degrees F.
Fact: Venus is a completely different planet and cannot be used to judge earths climate
Fact: Mars (atmosphere 95% CO2) has the same composition as Venus (atmosphere 96% CO2) but yet it is significantly cooler.

#138 is what happens when you listen to a speech and the speakers cut off and on half the time.

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