Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Tuesday, February 23, 2010

Former Vice President Dick Cheney suffered a mild heart attack Monday when he complained of chest pains and was hospitalized, his office said Tuesday. "Lab testing revealed evidence of a mild heart attack," the statement said. "He underwent a stress test and a heart catheterization. He is feeling good and is expected to be discharged in the next day or two."

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Please join me in wishing this exceptional American a speedy recovery.

Yes--a speedy recovery.

Sounds like Clinton--needs another stent.

Cheney has like 6 stents already.

Get well soon and God Bless.

Here's your problem. Your heart is 3 sizes too small.

Best of luck to ya, Dick.

Good luck to ya Vice Prez.

if you cant say something nice.............

6 hours into the operation and they are still looking for the heart.......

I hope they can find it soon and get the fat fucker back on his feet and back making an ass of himself on the Sunday talk shows.

Really.

6 hours into the operation and they are still looking for the heart.......
Posted by axe

I'll bet it makes your 2 month brain scan look like a walk in the park....

Really.

#9 | Posted by axe

I almost teared up when i realized I won't be able to make up parodies of Cheney in hell anymore, cause it'll be true.

6 hours into the operation and they are still looking for the heart.......
Posted by axe

I'll bet it makes your 2 month brain scan look like a walk in the park....

#10 | Posted by wisgod

not quite as embarrassing as when you went in for a sex change and the doctor asked which sex you wanted to be changed to

not quite as embarrassing as when you went in for a sex change and the doctor asked which sex you wanted to be changed to

#12 | Posted by truthhurts

Filling in for FrankF2.5 tonight? I'm sure you'll keep it short...

Hope he's got Murtha's docs. Fucker.

While I don't wouldn't wish him dead or ill, I would wish him a speedy recovery, - followed by a speedy trial.

Speedy recovery Vice Prez, we may need you to kick the ass of girlie boy obama this November.

yeah i guess old dick is pretty tough, he demonstrated it in his youth by serving multiple tours in vietnam

#8--Very good. Thanks for the laugh.

I don't wish death on Cheney, unlike those who wished such ills on Murtha and Kennedy. Nevertheless, the man is quite vile--the emperor to GW Bush's Darth Vader. And really, Rightnut, you want him to run for President? Good lord, you're sicker than I thought. Not only that, but there's no way the man would get the nod from the GOP. Ron Paul has a better chance.

How is it that Rightnut is able to take a thread about the hospitalization of Cheney and use it to make chickenshit pussy statements about the President? One would think that rightwingers, especially after the way they maligned Ted Kennedy when he passed away, would seek to keep it civil in a thread such as this one.

Poor Haliburton....

He needs to lay off the spicy foods.

"Filling in for FrankF2.5 tonight? I'm sure you'll keep it short..."

Hence the truthhurts monogram?

Sorry to disappoint all the tolerant libs here, but Cheney is going to be just fine.

#19 The hospitalization dramatically shows the ineptitude of Obama. Ted's passing dramatically displays the shortcomings of the left. How is it that you don't see this? If you don't then there's no hope for you, and I can't take precious time to explain it to you.

One would think that rightwingers, especially after the way they maligned Ted Kennedy when he passed away, would seek to keep it civil in a thread such as this one.

#19 | Posted by moder8

Why? It's not like he killed anyone.

am I supposed to be tolerant of someone I believe damaged irreparably our nation?

Why? It's not like he killed anyone.

#24 | Posted by wisgod

yeah he was too chicken shit to serve in Viet nam wasnt he

am I supposed to be tolerant of someone I believe damaged irreparably our nation?

#25 | Posted by truthhurts

I thought Health Care was the boogie man a half hour ago.

am I supposed to be tolerant of someone I believe damaged irreparably our nation?

#25 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2010-02-22 08:18 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Hey, Kool Aid!

"Why? It's not like he killed anyone."

Tell us another joke.

Or should we torture it out of you?

"am I supposed to be tolerant of someone I believe damaged irreparably our nation?"

The fact you are gullible enough to believe that speaks more about you than Cheney. Cheney may not have served in Nam, but he certainly served the Country as a Congressman, Sec of Defense, Vice-President.

Or should we torture it out of you?

#29 | Posted by Danforth

Can't we just play Bridge?

Freeze his head.

i am in a cynical mood... therefore... i will not write what i am thinking... for once

It is my belief that Bush/Cheney are two of greatest mass murderers of the past ten years. They started an unnecessary war which claimed the lived of at least 100,000 people based on lies and misrepresented intel. They did so knowingly and with the goal of advancing some bullshit neocon dream of a "New American Century". Cheney is a mass murderer. Again, I wish him speedy recovery followed by a speedy trial.
And when the time comes for him to pass on into the next life, I trust he will burn in hell.

am I supposed to be tolerant of someone I believe damaged irreparably our nation?

No, just say it, you want him to die. dont be a PC pussy and hold it in.

i will not write what i am thinking... for once

#33 | Posted by AuntieSocial

What are you waiting for? A gold shovel before breaking new ground?

And when the time comes for him to pass on into the next life, I trust he will burn in hell.
#34 | Posted by moder8 at 2010-02-22 08:38 PM

Ironic coming from an attorney, don't ya think? How many guilty clients have you helped to get back into society and committ more crimes?

He's been living on borrowed time. I didn't expect him to last eight years as vice president.

#34 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2010-02-22 08:38 PM | REPLY | FLAG:
PATHETIC, YET PREDICABLE

How many guilty clients have you helped to get back into society and committ more crimes?

#38 | Posted by crispee_oc

That would assume she's won a case.

how about a deathbed confession about what really happened at the Pentagon.

Crispee #38: None who have committed as many crimes or harmed as many people as Cheney.

MSGT #40: Pathetic? Compared to the vile shit rightwingers threw at Ted Kennedy when he passed away. Hardly. Or is another instance of rightwingers being able to dish out but not take it.

Isn't your kid in Afganistan, ModerH8? Is that on Cheney too? The rules of engagement? Does he shoot his mouth off like Mom and embrace the enemy, or does he kill people?

Wissypanties: you are even more clueless than usual. Last time I checked, there were no members of the Coast Guard in Afghanistan. Or is this just another instance of you shooting off at the mouth while having no idea about the subject you are trying to discuss? My son's role in the Coast Guard is to save people's lives, not kill them.

Here we go again...Nothing like a sick/dead politician to bring out the bickering. Rehnquist to Kennedy, this stuff always brings out the children.

I hope everything is ok.

My son's role in the Coast Guard is to save people's lives, not kill them.
Posted by moder8

Oh good. A real Patriot Mommy can celebrate.

"My son's role in the Coast Guard is to save people's lives, not kill them."

Yet your job is to do anything you can to get murderers aquitted by any means? Oh the irony...

...in other news, Obama to steal every other dollar you make... wait... correction... every dollar you make.

Sleep Well.

Please join me in wishing this exceptional American a speedy recovery.

#1 | Posted by cookfish at 2010-02-22 07:46 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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FF!

This an awesome example of satire at it's finest!

Bravo CookedFish! In the best spirit of Archie Bunker and Norman Lear.

FUCK DICK CHENEY!!!!!! MISERABLE WAR CRIMINAL!!!! If the Good Lord wishes it I hope that you enjoy you eternity in HELL!!!!!!!!

If she's a Public Defender, I'm Vincent Bugliosi.

I always love the back and forth here when a high profile member of another party is sick or dying. One side has mean things to say, the other side gets pissed at them, someone typically says they're making a note of it for the next time someone gets sick/dies.

Just kind of interesting that's all.

That drunk girl murderer Ted Kennedy sure deserved what he got though. Get well soon Vice President Cheney and hero to Americans everywhere.

If the Good Lord wishes it I hope that you enjoy you eternity in HELL!!!!!!!!

#51 | Posted by celisary at 2010-02-22 09:06 PM

That is a given but when he gets there nobody knows.

And as aways, Celisary is fucking crazy.

If she's a Public Defender, I'm Vincent Bugliosi.

#52 | Posted by wisgod at 2010-02-22 09:07 PM |

You should read his book, The Prosecution of George W Bush.

It'll wipe that Bush smirk off your face. The semen, you're on your own to wipe off your face.

actural title: The Prosecution of George W Bush for Murder.

And trust me, Bugliosi is NOT playing games.

Bravo CookedFish!
#50 | Posted by briwo at 2010-02-22 09:06 PM |

Obviously Briwo is upset he didn't suffer a horrible death. Better one live Cheney, than one disgruntled Briwo.

You should read his book, The Prosecution of George W Bush.

It'll wipe that Bush smirk off your face. The semen, you're on your own to wipe off your face.

#56 | Posted by briwo

I'm not into fiction, Amazon.retard

Will he last long enough to be tried for treason and war crimes? We can only hope.

Will he last long enough to be tried for treason and war crimes? We can only hope.

#60 | POSTED BY NUTCASE

Making Cheney the first man to live to the ripe old age of Never Gonna Fucking Happen. But hey, you can always keep dreaming (worked out great with Obama LOL)

Dear Whispee:

Find someone you know who can read. Have them get a dictionary. Ask them to look up the word satire and have them read it to you.

Then ask them to explain what it means.
You'll feel much better, and your diaper will stay cleaner much longer.

Well, this thread has turned out pretty much exactly as would be expected.

Well, this thread has turned out pretty much exactly as would be expected.

#63 | Posted by TheTom

Yeah, Moder8 and Briwo are spotting again.

Halliburton is air-lifting in a dozen Iraqi children for spare parts and only charging the U.S. taxpayers $27 million each.

Halliburton is air-lifting in a dozen Iraqi children for spare parts and only charging the U.S. taxpayers $27 million each.

#65 | POSTED BY NORTHGUY3

Come on, as much as I like the guy, you and I both know he'd never have brown-people parts in him.

I'm not into fiction, Amazon.retard

#59 | Posted by wisgod at 2010-02-22 09:16 PM |

Yeh, it's not like Bugliosi ever lost a capital case, or knows anything about the law and the prosecution of murder.

We have the all knowing, gweat and tewwible Wisgod, to tell us the 411.

Hell, Briwo. You should do a web-based talk show on that shit. You might get a 3rd listener.

Does Dick have good health insurance?

And the ad hominem attacks from people with no actual pov are helping the thread regain it's dignity.

Republicans are pussies.

Republicans are pussies.

#70 | Posted by briwo

Better fill up your tank tonight. I hear gas is going up Tuesday and you seem to be running on empty.

And trust me, Bugliosi is NOT playing games.
#57 | POSTED BY BRIWO

www.amazon.com

"In The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder, Bugliosi presents a tight, meticulously researched legal case that puts George W. Bush on trial in an American courtroom for the murder of nearly 4,000 American soldiers fighting the war in Iraq."

Wow... I don't even have a smartass remark for this.

Its just fucking stupid.

Do we prosecute the congressmen who helped sell it, authorized and funded it (Look out to the current vice president).

Or do I have to find my own idiot lawyer to right that book... Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh he got Charles Manson put away!! Start up the perp walk for old W.

Find someone you know who can read. Have them get a dictionary. Ask them to look up the word satire and have them read it to you.
#62 | Posted by briwo at 2010-02-22 09:20 PM

Point out the satire, Cheney is an exceptional american.

"Do we prosecute the congressmen who helped sell it, authorized and funded it"

It depends. Were they told the entire truth, or were they lied to as well?

Republicans are pussies.

#70 | POSTED BY BRIWO

LOL

It depends. Were they told the entire truth, or were they lied to as well?

#74 | Posted by Danforth

Before the 3rd, 4th or 5th appropiations to fund it?

"Cheney is an exceptional american."

Yup. It takes real "exceptionalism" to screw over the average taxpayer so the wealthiest can loot the treasury.

It depends. Were they told the entire truth, or were they lied to as well?

#74 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

The congress has subpoena powers right? They would have had the ability to get the truth right? As we're seeing from this senate, the Democrats in congress could have filibustered the authorization for war. Or they at least could have delayed it until all the facts were in.

There were plenty of Democrats at the time saying the whole thing stunk to high heaven, but Democrats like Joe Biden didn't listen. So should legislators like him be put on trial right next to President Bush and Dick Cheney?

"Before the 3rd, 4th or 5th appropiations to fund it?"

Yes, yes, and yes. In that order.

Goddamn funny flags all over this thread.

Yup. It takes real "exceptionalism" to screw over the average taxpayer so the wealthiest can loot the treasury.

#77 | Posted by Danforth at 2010-02-22 09:32 PM

That's one exceptional politician. Never heard of a VP overriding Congress and the POTUS.

"The congress has subpoena powers right?"

The minority can't invoke them unilaterally.

"So should legislators like him be put on trial right next to President Bush and Dick Cheney?"

It depends. Was Biden told the whole truth, or did he have to cast his vote -- a vote scheduled by the Republican leadership -- based on lies?

Yes, yes, and yes. In that order.

#79 | Posted by Danforth

Then who can we call to testify, Lawyer Daggot? Roster Cogburn?

"Never heard of a VP overriding Congress and the POTUS."

Well, he certainly was overriding POTUS at that time, as well as the Treasury Secretary.

It takes real "exceptionalism" to screw over the average taxpayer so the wealthiest can loot the treasury.

Cheney ain't the first. Politicians do it all the time. It's a tradition.

Was Biden told the whole truth, or did he have to cast his vote

Seems pretty fucked up to do so, and certainly not worthy of the promotion he got given the results of him just casting his vote all willy-nilly like.

I don't get why Biden gets such a pass for not just his vote but his vocal support of taking out Hussein.

Bush would not have been able to conduct the war in the way his Administration did if not for the support and funding of the Congress and the bipartisan support helped even more so.

Why does Biden get a pass (and I'm not even getting into Obama's support of the war)

"Cheney ain't the first. Politicians do it all the time."

At that scale?

"It depends. Was Biden told the whole truth, or did he have to cast his vote -- a vote scheduled by the Republican leadership -- based on lies?"

I think he was going by what Clinton, Kerry, Kennedy, Gore or even what he said himself about Saddam.

Well, he certainly was overriding POTUS at that time, as well as the Treasury Secretary.

#84 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Not with any real authority... you can claim that Bush was his puppet (thought I question the validity of that given Cheney's anger over not getting the Libby pardon), but any actual decisions did not come from the Vice President. The Vice President in reality has no power except for tie-breaking the Senate.

At that scale?

#87 | Posted by Danforth

You think JFK was just fucking around?

Can we get a link to Cheney overriding something?

"I don't get why Biden gets such a pass for not just his vote but his vocal support of taking out Hussein."

Because the vote is only valid if the information is valid and truthful.

Personally, I was for Iraq until I saw Powell testify in front of the UN. Beforehand, I was convinced he'd "show the world". After, all I could think was that's all we've got???

Can we get a link to Cheney overriding something?

#91 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2010-02-22 09:42 PM

Ask danforth, he seems to think Cheney was in charge of everything.

"Can we get a link to Cheney overriding something?"

Read Paul O'Neill's book.

"I think he was going by what Clinton, Kerry, Kennedy, Gore or even what he said himself about Saddam."

So if we bomb Iran, do we blame McCain?

Because the vote is only valid if the information is valid and truthful.

Plenty of other Democrats didn't think the information was valid and truthful. Why didn't Biden listen to them.

Can you just please say, "Biden gets a pass cuz he's a Democrat and I'm siding with them now," and we'll just move on. We all know that's the answer, let's just put it out there and move on.

Jesus Christ. I just ordered Vince Bugliosi's Novel, "To Catch a Thief".

"So if we bomb Iran, do we blame McCain?"

You will, I will applaud him.

"You think JFK was just fucking around?"

Show me where JFK slashed taxes on the wealthiest by 60% and changed true surpluses as far as the eye could see to record deficits as far as the eye could see and you'll actually have a point.

Cheney was way over qualified for his position.

"Why didn't Biden listen to them."

Maybe we should blame Biden for Bush listening to him about Saddam.

"Can you just please say, "Biden gets a pass cuz he's a Democrat and I'm siding with them now,""

I'm not siding with anyone. I'm suggesting votes based on lies and misinformation shouldn't be held against anyone, regardless of the letter after their name.

But if you want to admit you're only attacking Biden because he's a Democrat, go right ahead.

"I will applaud him."

What, two dumbass, treasury-draining wars aren't enough for you?

Show me where JFK slashed taxes on the wealthiest by 60% and changed true surpluses as far as the eye could see to record deficits as far as the eye could see and you'll actually have a point.

#99 | Posted by Danforth

And you knew who you were then,
Girls were girls and men were men,
Mister we could use a man
Like Herbert Hoover again.

Didn't need no welfare state,
Everybody pulled his weight.
Gee our old LaSalle ran great.
Those were the days

#104

Translation: I got nuttin'.

I'm not siding with anyone.

What kooky universe have I stepped into here?

But if you want to admit you're only attacking Biden because he's a Democrat, go right ahead.

#102 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

No, I'm not attacking Biden for his vote, I'm saying if we're going to prosecute Republicans why not the Democrats too who were just as supportive of the war? At the time I supported the decision too so I'm not going to attack anyone for doing the same.

I will however, disagree with anyone that thinks we should still have one boot on the ground in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Translation: I got nuttin'.

#105 | Posted by Danforth

How old are you? Ask Dad if you can't recall.

"What kooky universe have I stepped into here?"

The bizarre world of danforth's brain.

"I'm saying if we're going to prosecute Republicans why not the Democrats too who were just as supportive of the war?"

Because the buck stops with the commander-in-chief. One man made the decision to invade and occupy Iraq.

"At the time I supported the decision too"

Then let's prosecute YOU!

#106 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Democrats who voted for the authorization made a point of saying war 'as a last resort'.

At the time it was touted as a hammer to hold over Saddam's head to make him comply with UN weapons inspectors, which he was doing when the bombs started falling.

"How old are you? "

Old enough to know you can't point out where JFK did any of that, so your "comparison" was bullshit.

"The bizarre world of danforth's brain."

Feel free to point out where I sided with a party and not the truth.

I don't hold the Republicans or Democrats who voted for the resolution responsible. I hold those who withheld the truth from them before the vote responsible.

"Democrats who voted for the authorization made a point of saying war 'as a last resort'."

Why am I surprised AU swallowed that hook, line and sinker.

read the resolution

"to confront the ongoing threat posed by iraq"

in March 2003 iraq posed no threat

bush exceeded his congressional authorization.

"Then you better ask the Black Boy..."

And Republicans wonder why they can't seem to get any African-American votes.

:]

Why am I surprised AU swallowed that hook, line and sinker.

#114 | Posted by crispee_oc

It must have been before the Lounge Lizard could afford Cable.

"The bizarre world of danforth's brain."

Feel free to point out where I sided with a party and not the truth.
#113 | Posted by Danforth at 2010-02-22 10:01 PM

Feel free to point out where Rob was attacking Biden because he was a democrat. I believe he was asking a hypothetical.

And Republicans wonder why they can't seem to get any African-American votes.

#116 | Posted by Danforth

I really don't think it's because of my post, Danforth Carville.

"Feel free to point out where Rob was attacking Biden because he was a democrat. "

I was responding to Rob's accusation I was defending Biden because of the letter after his name.

As usual, RIF.

"I really don't think it's because of my post"

I didn't say it was only because of your post.

More the attitude of the Rs. One you exemplify.

I didn't say it was only because of your post.

Posted by Danforth

Oh, so you where just being hypothetical. Shit the bed.

I was responding to Rob's accusation I was defending Biden because of the letter after his name.

As usual, RIF.
#121 | Posted by Danforth at 2010-02-22 10:06 PM

Which is why Rob asked what universe he was in regarding your answer?

I will however, disagree with anyone that thinks we should still have one boot on the ground in Iraq or Afghanistan.

In your opinion, when should we have started pulling troops out, and how quickly?

Well Goodnight all. It just goes to show, Ted Kennedy and John Murtha are really cold hearted bastrds tonight.

WISGOD

I remember the debate over the authorization very well, thanks. It was touted as a hammer go hold over Saddam's head to make him comply with UN weapons inspections and other Security Council resolutions like 660 and 687 (read the authorization), not as a given.

The fact they then went to war without a 'clear mission or a clear exit strategy' as WisGOD said he'd always do as CiC - in addition to 'no nation building' - during the 2000 Presidential debates is an indisputable fact borne out by years of failure in Iraq due to insufficient manpower or a post invasion plan.

Your childish posts aside, I'm surprised your memory is so shot.

"Which is why Rob asked what universe he was in regarding your answer?"

You'll have to ask Rob. My guess is he misunderstood, and jumped to a conclusion. As you know...it happens.

I'm surprised your memory is so shot.

#127 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Not short enough to forget your Lake Michigan Iceberg photo's, Colonel....

You'll have to ask Rob. My guess is he misunderstood, and jumped to a conclusion. As you know...it happens.

#128 | Posted by Danforth at 2010-02-22 10:16 PM

Actually he used Biden as an example, asking why he gets a pass and you in fact accused him of attacking Biden because he was a dem.

But if you want to admit you're only attacking Biden because he's a Democrat, go right ahead.
#102 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

No, I'm not attacking Biden for his vote, I'm saying if we're going to prosecute Republicans why not the Democrats too who were just as supportive of the war?
#106 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2010-02-22 09:54 PM

#130

Keep going back, and you'll see the genesis. RIF.

Aw, shit.

Don't let Darth die, pleasepleaseohprettyplease!

We need another twenty-two years out of him.

Two for a high-profile trial, and twenty years in prison to show him and other aspirants to national office that there's a goddamn limit.

Not my Lake Michigan photos. Emailed to me and acknowledged as faulty. Your butt buddy's #1587th bullshit won't score you any points either. Your memory is shot from too many years of booze abuse. Obvious.

"a post invasion plan."

But being President was such hard work.

(Which we neglected to do.)

"The fact they then went to war without a 'clear mission or a clear exit strategy' as WisGOD said he'd always do as CiC -"

First casualty of the war, the Powell Doctrine.

I don't want the old fucker to die. I just want the old fucker to shut his piehole, since he hasn't been right about anything. Just go away, Cheney.

"I don't want the old fucker to die."

I didn't want all the people in Iraq to die either.
I didn't want four thousand Americans to die in Iraq.
I can't honestly say I give a damn if he lives or dies.

He should be getting his care from the medical staff at Leavenworth.

Last time I checked, there were no members of the Coast Guard in Afghanistan.

#45 | Posted by moder8 at 2010-02-22 08:57 PM | Reply | Flag

Why is your son hiding in the Coast Guard? Too afraid to serve in the real military? But still wants all the VA benefits later.

In your opinion, when should we have started pulling troops out, and how quickly?

#125 | POSTED BY TAXMAN

I've completely stopped giving a crap about the lives of Arabs in the Middle East, so the answer of speed in my opinion would be as fast as possible without any regard to the security of the Iraqis or Afghanis.

I think I really started to feel this way around the summer of 2008. I hear us say we have to fight the Taliban and Al Qaeda and Muslim extremists, but that's all there seems to be over there. So fuck 'em. They've had more than enough time and money put in by the United States (soldiers and citizens) to have made something of their countries and they chose to be a bunch of savages.

At least in Iraq we can make the argument that the world needs their oil. But Afghanistan has dick. There is nothing to be won there. Nothing to be gained. Fuck em all. New policy should be bomb the government of your country, and let the people replace them. If we don't like that government we bomb them. Wash, rinse, repeat.

I don't hold the Republicans or Democrats who voted for the resolution responsible.

War was not possible (at least on this scale) without it.

So if you think the Iraq war was so awful that it deserves the criminal prosecution of the Administration in office at the time, how do you not hold responsible the legislators who gave the Administration the authority to go to war? And not just gave them authority, but actively sold the American people on what the Admin wanted.

Joe Biden didn't just vote for the authorization, he was as big a cheerleader as any Republican.

"if you think the Iraq war was so awful that it deserves the criminal prosecution of the Administration in office at the time, how do you not hold responsible the legislators who gave the Administration the authority to go to war? "

Because I believe they were lied to, and information given them was cherry-picked. It the same concept when a jury votes to convict because the prosecution withheld exculpatory information. I wouldn't hold the jury responsible, but I would hold the prosecutors responsible. Make sense?

I wouldn't hold the jury responsible, but I would hold the prosecutors responsible. Make sense?

Only if you are saying that the Congress is as powerless as a jury and can only see what it was given. Which they aren't. There were enough Democrats to raise a big stink about this, and more than enough to filibuster. There were plenty of Democrats who were calling bullshit on the whole thing from the start. But the likes of Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton weren't just voting yes, they were giving speeches on the floor and doing the Sunday talk shows on why it was a good idea. Hell they were selling it damn near as much as Cheney.

But now they get a pass because of that big old D next to their name. Hell you guys can't be calling for Obama's VP and Sec. Of State's prosecution for murder. Well I guess you could if you were honest, but this will work too.

Yeh, it's not like Bugliosi ever lost a capital case, or knows anything about the law and the prosecution of murder.

#67 | Posted by briwo at 2010-02-22 09:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Not to mention a couple of million selling his book to gullible fools who masturbate over books about prosecuting Bush and Cheney.

You just want others to buy the same porn, because yours is all sticky

"Only if you are saying that the Congress is as powerless as a jury and can only see what it was given. Which they aren't. There were enough Democrats to raise a big stink about this, and more than enough to filibuster. "

Based on what? Only the Republicans had subpoena power, and instead they brought the vote to the floor. Both sides mistakenly believed they had been told the truth.

"the likes of Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton weren't just voting yes, they were giving speeches on the floor and doing the Sunday talk shows on why it was a good idea. Hell they were selling it damn near as much as Cheney."

Except Cheney knew exculpatory information he didn't share with Congress. And he was leaking information to Judith Miller, and then pointing to Miller's column in the NYT as backing.

"But now they get a pass because of that big old D next to their name."

Why do you keep going back to that bullshit talking point? I gave a "pass" to the folks with an R after their name too. Except for the leaders who were purposefully lying to Congress. Why do you continue to ignore that salient point?

It depends. Was Biden told the whole truth, or did he have to cast his vote -- a vote scheduled by the Republican leadership -- based on lies?

#82 | Posted by Danforth at 2010-02-22 09:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Danforth is right on this one. If anybody in Congress was stupid, gullible and easy to scam, it was that idiot Joe Biden. He certainly deserves a pass.

And let's all be thankful that as VP he now has no real power

"Danforth is right on this one. If anybody in Congress was stupid, gullible and easy to scam, it was that idiot Joe Biden. He certainly deserves a pass."

Vernon's brain seems to be from the same place he gets his calculator.

Both sides mistakenly believed they had been told the truth.

No that's not true, a lot of Dems voted against the authorization because they thought it was bullshit. If the Dems stood united like the Republicans do today against things they think are bullshit, history would look very different. But they couldn't make a united front because of the likes of President Obama's Vice President and his Secretary of State running around selling the war.

Why do you continue to ignore that salient point?

#145 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

I'm ignoring it because the idea of prosecuting Bush and Cheney but not the Congress who authorized the war first damn place is chromosome missing fat tongue retarded.

"a lot of Dems voted against the authorization because they thought it was bullshit."

But not because they stated they were being lied to. That's a huge difference.

"I'm ignoring it because the idea of prosecuting Bush and Cheney but not the Congress who authorized the war first..."

"Authorized" it based on bullshit. Again, you're avoiding that central fact.

Again, would you blame the jury because the prosecutors withheld exculpatory information?

"chromosome missing fat tongue retarded."

As retarded as refusing to address the fact the White House withheld vital information before the vote?

But not because they stated they were being lied to. That's a huge difference.

So what were there reasons for voting against authorization? I'm willing to bet there were a couple calling bullshit on at least some of the reasons.

Again, would you blame the jury because the prosecutors withheld exculpatory information?

#149 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

I like to think our Congress is made up of more than just a bunch of people who didn't have anything better to do that day and showed up.

If you think one branch should be prosecuted then the other should be as well. I don't care that the Dems were in the minority, they should have grown a pair of balls and obstructed until they got all the evidence.

BTW is there evidence that they actually lied to congress or is it more of a reality that our intel services got it wrong?

As retarded as refusing to address the fact the White House withheld vital information before the vote?

#150 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Congress should have gotten that info, or if what you say is true then the congress should have moved to impeach the President or they should be moving now to prosecute the president.

I'm guessing none of that will happen because it isn't as cut & dry as "Bush withheld evidence."

"If you think one branch should be prosecuted then the other should be as well."

I think the liars should be prosecuted. I'm stunned you can't see the difference between the people who lied and the people who were lied to.

"I don't care that the Dems were in the minority, they should have grown a pair of balls and obstructed until they got all the evidence."

So you're pissed off at the Dems for not knowing then what they know now? Got it. Bottom line, it seems you're only pissed because of the letter after their name. And not a peep about the majority of Republicans who didn't know the truth back then either.

re: BTW is there evidence that they actually lied to congress or is it more of a reality that our intel services got it wrong?

There Rob goes blaming the CIA and our men and women in uniform to protect the elected civilians who use them as shields.

" it isn't as cut & dry as "Bush withheld evidence.""

The report came out in June 2008.

www.nytimes.com

The Dems were too spineless to make it an issue just prior to the election, especially after seeing how impeaching Clinton only elicited sympathy and increased his approval ratings.

In other words, Bush got a pass for all the wrong reasons. Since the 2006 elections, Dems "governed" with one goal in mind: get the WH in 2008. Not for the American people. For the Democratic party.

So you're pissed off at the Dems for not knowing then what they know now? Got it.

No, I'm not pissed at anyone... well except maybe idiots who think that Bush/Cheney should be prosecuted. I don't want anyone prosecuted for the Iraq war, but if idiots are going to say cuff up Bush and Cheney, then I'm going to point out that Vice President Biden not only authorized the war but was an active cheerleader for it.

And don't give me the he was lied to bullshit. He was an early supporter of the war and always a big supporter of strikes against Hussein's Iraq even before Bush was in office.

Cuff one, cuff all.

Cheney isn't exactly on his death bed yet but the hour glass is running a little low.

I imagine there's a lot of stress, too, counting the days he has left. . . not knowing which sunrise will be his last.

So much yet to do. So much unfinished business. He must be cursing the devil himself for putting him in this position.

When the time comes, there will be scant few people shedding any tears for the vile old bastard. (Well, maybe for the photo-op but that doesn't count).

As for me, I'll remember Cheney as one of the greatest failures the human race has ever produced . . . right up there with the worst of the worst.

Maybe if Cheney had outed a few more operatives we would be afraid of even having the conversation we find ourselves having.

There Rob goes blaming the CIA

The CIA has sucked enormous balls for some time. Now maybe that has to do with political bullshit and budget cuts but they've had some monumental fuckups over the years. Yeah, I get that we only see their fuckups and not the successes but maybe they want to make a few more successes public every now and then.

"if idiots are going to say cuff up Bush and Cheney, then I'm going to point out that Vice President Biden not only authorized the war but was an active cheerleader for it."

While ignoring that Bush & Cheney were the liars, and Biden and others were the ones lied to.

Since we've gone a dozen posts, and you still don't see the difference, and instead insist the ones being lied to should have known exactly what were the lies, I'll assume you're either obstinate or clueless.

Have a good night.

Maybe if Cheney had outed a few more operatives we would be afraid of even having the conversation we find ourselves having.

#158 | POSTED BY BETELG

Yeah she was a real 007 that Valerie Plame. I remember the James Bond movie where his spouse decides to do press conferences taking on the Prime Minister and going on talk shows and writing Op-Ed pieces.

Because Spy-101 is that when you are covert, the first thing you do is send your husband out to fight a publicity battle against the President of the United States. They don't even put it in the books anymore because its just that obvious.

re: No, I'm not pissed at anyone...

Of course you're not. You were behind ridding Iraq of WMD and reacting to its role in 9/11 to the extent that anyone opposed to such action was a traitor.

It's not at all surprising that you would be against any honest account of what transpired.

and Biden and others were the ones lied to.

That ignores Biden's long standing cheerleading for attacking Iraq.

Since we've gone a dozen posts, and you still don't see the difference, and instead insist the ones being lied to should have known exactly what were the lies, I'll assume you're either obstinate or clueless.

And since you refuse to acknowledge that Democrats were cheerleading for attacking Iraq before the evidence was even presented I'll assume the only reason is that you don't want to criticize the Obama administration. Since 2 of the biggest hawks for the Iraq War are 2 of the highest members of the Obama admin cabinet.

How many HOPE '08 bumper stickers are on your car? I'm guessing 7.

Rob-
re: Because Spy-101 is that when you are covert, the first thing you do is send your husband out to fight a publicity battle against the President of the United States.

What you wish to forget is that the "uranium from Africa" bullshit that Bush included in his SOTU speech was just as much bullshit as the rest of the case that led you to accuse the sensible people of being traitors. In point of fact, the Bush Admin. retracted those words about yellowcake from Niger, and THEN went about exposing a CIA agent to discredit her husband.

The point remains that Wilson was correct, and the WH had to retract their claim, asshole.

"Democrats were cheerleading for attacking Iraq"

Gee, another moron who doesn't know the difference between rhetoric and invasion.

"How many HOPE '08 bumper stickers are on your car? I'm guessing 7."

Zero. So you're only off by 100%.

Right at your average....

Or did you forget that part?

Really gotta go.

'night

The point remains that Wilson was correct,

And his quest for fame and money got his covert wife outed. Great for him. Hope it was worth it for Joe Wilson.

Gee, another moron who doesn't know the difference between rhetoric and invasion.

Invasion was not possible without their vote, which would have been yes no matter what evidence was presented before Biden and Clinton.

"And his quest for fame and money got his covert wife outed."

What a steaming pile of bullshit. Political revenge got his covert wife outed. Libby shopped the story.

Again, ignoring the salient point.

Zero. So you're only off by 100%.

Oh its the Change We Can Believe in ones. Gotcha... or maybe the Say No To 4 More Years. Either way, you're stickered up car looks ridiculous. We get it, you love President Obama, he can do no wrong. Check.

"Invasion was not possible without their vote"

Wrong again.

Just ask John Yoo.

"which would have been yes no matter what evidence was presented before Biden and Clinton."

But we'll never know that for certain, will we?

The truth really doesn't matter to you in any non-ideological sense, does it, Rob?

re: And his quest for fame and money got his covert wife outed.

Dude. Cheney/Libby outed Plame, and the White House admitted that the uranium from Africa scare in the SOTU speech was bullshit.

Do you get it?

Jesus!

Again, ignoring the salient point.

#171 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Fuck that, the salient point is that if Wilson gave an anonymous story, then his wife couldn't have been outed. He, as the spouse of a covert operative had a responsibility to her covert status. He instead needed to get his name out into the public. He had to be the face for taking on the Iraq war. He decided his fame was more important than her status.

But we'll never know that for certain, will we?

#173 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Ah, no, we can look at what they were saying about Iraq in the years leading up to the war and make a very reasonable estimation that they would have voted yes.

"We get it, you love President Obama, he can do no wrong."

"In truth, I've been against most of what Obama has done, including the health care bill, and stated as much repeatedly.
~Danforth

Good God, did you get a lobotomy while you were gone?

Dude. Cheney/Libby outed Plame

No, they didn't. Joe Wilson her husband is responsible for her outing.

"and make a very reasonable estimation"

In other words, we'll never know for certain.

Good God, did you get a lobotomy while you were gone?

#178 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

No, I don't think so. It looks like I haven't lost a step in getting under people's skin.

A Senate Intelligence Committee investigation on the intelligence given to them was not kind to the Bush Administration:

Report: Bush Had More Prewar Intelligence Than Congress

"A congressional report made public yesterday concluded that President Bush and his inner circle had access to more intelligence and reviewed more sensitive material than what was shared with Congress when it gave Bush the authority to wage war against Iraq.

Democrats said the 14-page report contradicts Bush's contention that lawmakers saw all the evidence before U.S. troops invaded in March 2003, stating that the president and a small number of advisers "have access to a far greater volume of intelligence and to more sensitive intelligence information."

The report does not cite examples of intelligence Bush reviewed that differed from what Congress saw. If such information is available, the report's authors do not have access to it. The Bush administration has routinely denied Congress access to documents, saying it would have a chilling effect on deliberations."

www.washingtonpost.com

Press Release of Intelligence Committee

Senate Intelligence Committee Unveils Final Phase II Reports on Prewar Iraq Intelligence

-- Two Bipartisan Reports Detail Administration Misstatements on Prewar Iraq Intelligence, and Inappropriate Intelligence Activities by Pentagon Policy Office --

Contact: Wendy Morigi (202) 224-6101
Thursday, June 5, 2008

Washington, DC -- The Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, John D. (Jay) Rockefeller IV, and a bipartisan majority of the Committee (10-5), today unveiled the final two sections of its Phase II report on prewar intelligence. The first report details Administration prewar statements that, on numerous occasions, misrepresented the intelligence and the threat from Iraq. The second report details inappropriate, sensitive intelligence activities conducted by the DoD's Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy, without the knowledge of the Intelligence Community or the State Department.

"Before taking the country to war, this Administration owed it to the American people to give them a 100 percent accurate picture of the threat we faced. Unfortunately, our Committee has concluded that the Administration made significant claims that were not supported by the intelligence," Rockefeller said. "In making the case for war, the Administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when in reality it was unsubstantiated, contradicted, or even non-existent. As a result, the American people were led to believe that the threat from Iraq was much greater than actually existed."

"It is my belief that the Bush Administration was fixated on Iraq, and used the 9/11 attacks by al Qa'ida as justification for overthrowing Saddam Hussein. To accomplish this, top Administration officials made repeated statements that falsely linked Iraq and al Qa'ida as a single threat and insinuated that Iraq played a role in 9/11. Sadly, the Bush Administration led the nation into war under false pretenses.

intelligence.senate.gov

In other words, we'll never know for certain.

#180 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

And yeah, we'd never know for certain whether bush would have signed a law banning all abortion everywhere, but we also know for certain he would have.

Clinton and Biden were voting yes on war, no matter what.

"Joe Wilson her husband is responsible for her outing."

Partisan historical revisionism at its worst.

"It looks like I haven't lost a step in getting under people's skin."

Moronic statements have that effect. I don't really see it as a plus, especially if that's the stated goal.

Dick Cheney has been hospitalized again with ticker troubles?

Wotta pity.

Dickless has had 4 heart attacks to date.

His first one was back when he was 37.

He's 69 now and has had a pacemaker in him since 2001.

His days are definitely numbered to the point where Spud would advise Cheney against buying any green bananas.

This traitorous war profiteer will no doubt die snug in his own bed never having been taken to task for his many lies or his war crimes.

Again, wotta pity.

Be Well.

It is my belief that the Bush Administration was fixated on Iraq, and used the 9/11 attacks by al Qa'ida as justification for overthrowing Saddam Hussein.

Same can be said of Vice President Biden and Secretary of State Clinton.

He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001.

Senator Hillary Clinton

Senate Intelligence Committee conclusions on Pre-War Intelligence given them before vote

"the salient point is that if Wilson gave an anonymous story, then his wife couldn't have been outed."

And if Libby hadn't shopped the story to out a covert agent on Cheney's directive, his wife wouldn't have been outed.

But continue to blame the victim. You seem to be good at that.

Partisan historical revisionism at its worst.

#184 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Revisionism my ass, I've been saying that since day 1 of the whole plame nonsense.

If I'm a covert agent and my wife says, "Hey I'm gonna take on the President of the United States publicly through the press," I'm gonna smack her in the mouth and say, "I'm a covert agent for the CIA you stupid fuck, you'll do no such thing."

"Revisionism my ass, I've been saying that since day 1 of the whole plame nonsense."

And it wasn't true then, either.

You expect points for being an idiot from the start?

But continue to blame the victim. You seem to be good at that.

#189 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Where am I blaming Plame? I'm blaming Wilson. Wilson wasn't the victim, Plame was. She was the covert op, he was the nobody. He apparently didn't like that and needed to be famous so he waged a publicity war with the President in complete disregard for his wife's covert status. You can say it was Cheney and Libby, but even if that's true the only reason they were doing it is because of what Wilson did.

You can't deny that if Wilson stays anonymous or keeps his mouth shut all together, she stays covert. Everything goes back to Wilson.

"It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security...

So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein -this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed."

"Floor Speech of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on S.J. Res. 45, A Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq," Hillary Clinton's U.S. Senate website, Oct. 10, 2002

And it wasn't true then, either.

See this is where I don't by the "I'm an independent" bullshit from you. An independent can see that Wilson got the ball rolling. That everything about that story goes back to Wilson.

Leftists put their fingers in their ears and shut their eyes yelling, "IT WAS LIBBY" over and over.

AmericanUnity, when Bush did take us to war, Hillary then immediately stood up and said, "This was neither wise or a last resort."

Right?

Who the fuck let all these crickets in here?

"You can say it was Cheney and Libby, but even if that's true the only reason they were doing it is because of what Wilson did."

Which doesn't justify what Cheney and Libby did one whit.

"You can't deny that if Wilson stays anonymous or keeps his mouth shut all together, she stays covert."

You can't deny if Cheney and Libby kept their mouth shut, she stays covert. Wilson didn't out Plame, Cheney and Libby did. Nothing Wilson did justifies what Cheney and Libby did. But you're not going to blame who actually did it, you're going to blame the guy who went against the folks with (R)s after their name.

Bush PICKED Wilson to go to Niger and investigate the Yellow Cake claims. He did as he was asked, but reported back the claims were false. However, the Bush Administration ignored that and then used the same debunked claims in the SOTU address.

ONLY when it was apparent to Wilson the Bush Administration was going to war on lies and faulty premises did he speak out.

That is was Richard Armitage that spilled the beans to Novak isn't the question. Cheney, through Scooter Libby, gave her name to Judith Miller of the NYT.

They outed a CIA covert operative. Period.

" An independent can see that Wilson got the ball rolling."

A truth-teller can see that Cheney & Libby outed Plame, not Wilson.

"Leftists put their fingers in their ears and shut their eyes yelling, "IT WAS LIBBY" over and over."

Too rich, after you've been sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "IT WAS WILSON" over and over.

AmericanUnity, when Bush did take us to war, Hillary then immediately stood up and said, "This was neither wise or a last resort."

She said so on THE DAY or her vote ON the Senate floor BEFORE she voted to authorize it 'as a last resort'.

It wasn't wise, and it wasn't as 'a last resort'. the UN weapons inspectors weren't finding what Bush and Co were hoping, so they kicked them out of Iraq.

Which doesn't justify what Cheney and Libby did one whit.

I never said that it did. I'm saying that they never would have had the opportunity to do what they did (if they did anything wrong, seeing as there never were any charges filed for outing an agent and most of what I read says the law about outing them is so vague its likely no crime was committed, fucked up though it may be) had Joe Wilson not come out.

You can't deny if Cheney and Libby kept their mouth shut, she stays covert.

No I can't, but that's step 2. I'm talking about step 1. Which is Joe Wilson starting a publicity campaign against the Admin. That got the ball rolling, that was the catalyst.

you're going to blame the guy who went against the folks with (R)s after their name.

If his op-ed piece about the yellow cake was anonymous his message still would have gotten out, it still could have been investigated and his wife still would have been covert.

You can't get around that fact. Wilson cared more about his agenda then her covert status. Sorry, but that is an absolute fact.

She said so on THE DAY or her vote ON the Senate floor BEFORE she voted to authorize it 'as a last resort'.
It wasn't wise, and it wasn't as 'a last resort'. the UN weapons inspectors weren't finding what Bush and Co were hoping, so they kicked them out of Iraq.

#200 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

And when we went to war, she repeated her call from the Oct. 10th floor speech saying it was neither wise nor a last resort right?

She was a critic from day one of the war right?

Too rich, after you've been sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "IT WAS WILSON" over and over.

#199 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Because Wilson was step 1 in the whole affair! Do you deny that? Do you deny that it all started with Joe Wilson taking on the Administration.

Forget about fault, forget about the outing forget about Plame. What started the whole damn thing?

AND they voted on flawed and scrubbed intel, as the Senate Intelligence committee concluded:

Report: Bush Had More Prewar Intelligence Than Congress

"A congressional report made public yesterday concluded that President Bush and his inner circle had access to more intelligence and reviewed more sensitive material than what was shared with Congress when it gave Bush the authority to wage war against Iraq.

Democrats said the 14-page report contradicts Bush's contention that lawmakers saw all the evidence before U.S. troops invaded in March 2003, stating that the president and a small number of advisers "have access to a far greater volume of intelligence and to more sensitive intelligence information."

The report does not cite examples of intelligence Bush reviewed that differed from what Congress saw. If such information is available, the report's authors do not have access to it. The Bush administration has routinely denied Congress access to documents, saying it would have a chilling effect on deliberations."

www.washingtonpost.com

Senate Intelligence Committee Unveils Final Phase II Reports on Prewar Iraq Intelligence

-- Two Bipartisan Reports Detail Administration Misstatements on Prewar Iraq Intelligence, and Inappropriate Intelligence Activities by Pentagon Policy Office --

Thursday, June 5, 2008

Washington, DC -- The Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, John D. (Jay) Rockefeller IV, and a bipartisan majority of the Committee (10-5), today unveiled the final two sections of its Phase II report on prewar intelligence. The first report details Administration prewar statements that, on numerous occasions, misrepresented the intelligence and the threat from Iraq. The second report details inappropriate, sensitive intelligence activities conducted by the DoD's Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy, without the knowledge of the Intelligence Community or the State Department.

"Before taking the country to war, this Administration owed it to the American people to give them a 100 percent accurate picture of the threat we faced. Unfortunately, our Committee has concluded that the Administration made significant claims that were not supported by the intelligence," Rockefeller said. "In making the case for war, the Administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when in reality it was unsubstantiated, contradicted, or even non-existent. As a result, the American people were led to believe that the threat from Iraq was much greater than actually existed."

"It is my belief that the Bush Administration was fixated on Iraq, and used the 9/11 attacks by al Qa'ida as justification for overthrowing Saddam Hussein. To accomplish this, top Administration officials made repeated statements that falsely linked Iraq and al Qa'ida as a single threat and insinuated that Iraq played a role in 9/11. Sadly, the Bush Administration led the nation into war under false pretenses.

intelligence.senate.gov

Because Wilson was step 1 in the whole affair! Do you deny that? Do you deny that it all started with Joe Wilson taking on the Administration.

It started when Wilson was ASKED by the Bush WH to go to Niger. He did.

They then repeated the already debunked information THEY asked him to gather IN Niger as though he'd never gone and reported the Yellow Cake claims were false.

He's a patriot for speaking out against the lies. His wife's outing was the WH's attempt to discredit him, when, in fact, he'd discredited THEM.

"Wilson was step 1 in the whole affair! Do you deny that?"

No. But Cheney and Libby were the ones who outed Plame. Do you deny that?

How about this: If Cheney & Libby don't out Plame, she isn't outed. Regardless what Wilson did, nothing justifies outing Plame.

"Forget about fault, forget about the outing forget about Plame."

Of course. Because that's the only way your cockamamie theory isn't laughed out of the room.

"Rockefeller said. "In making the case for war, the Administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when in reality it was unsubstantiated, contradicted, or even non-existent. As a result, the American people were led to believe that the threat from Iraq was much greater than actually existed."

As were members of Congress.

I'm talking about step 1. Which is Joe Wilson starting a publicity campaign against the Admin. That got the ball rolling, that was the catalyst.

Joe Wilson's attempt to correct Cheney's lies in no way, shape or form justified Cheney's deliberate decision to out Plame no matter how much you want this to be so.

Wilson cared more about his agenda then her covert status.

Wilson's agenda was telling the truth.

Cheney cared more about lying his way into a war that primarily benefitted his real masters over at Halliburton than he did about the American people's best interests.

He cared more about fulfilling PNAC prophecy than about the economic well being of a nation.

Sorry, but that's an absolute fact.

Speaking of which...

It looks like I haven't lost a step in repeating long discredited, half-baked, RW talking points and then acting like I've made an actual argument.

~Wob

FTFY.

Be Well.

It started when Wilson was ASKED by the Bush WH to go to Niger. He did and reported back the claims were false. Instead we heard about 'looming mushroom clouds' and such in the SOTU when the Bush WH already knew the claims were falise.

He's a patriot for speaking out against the lies before we invaded. His wife's outing was the WH's attempt to discredit him when, in fact, he'd discredited THEM.

Congress was lied to by the WH. Fact. They were not given intel that questioned the main claims made. Fact. The WH said war was a last resort IF Saddam didn't let the weapons inspectors do their job. Fact. UN did their jobs, the WH didn't like the results. Fact. They wanted war and did whatever they had to do to lie us into a war. Fact.

www.drudge.com

The DAY of the War Authorization vote:

"It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security...

So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein -this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed."

(He wasn't armed it turns out. WH was given doubts by the UN weapons inspectors, but withheld that intel from Congress).

"Floor Speech of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on S.J. Res. 45, A Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq," Hillary Clinton's U.S. Senate website, Oct. 10, 2002

(the DAY of the vote in a speech on the Senate floor).

JOHN KERRY - October 10, 2002 (the DAY of the vote):

"I am not being asked to vote for war. This is not a declaration of war. I am being asked to give the President of the United States the authority to go to war if he sees fit, down the road, after a set of assurances that he's made to us and the Congress, to the American people, to the world community, that he will only use force AS A LAST RESORT. I'm authorizing him to use force and the threat of force to backup very, very intense diplomacy."
(results of UN Weapons Inspections included).

HENRY WAXMAN
(D-LOS ANGELES)

"I strongly support the substitute [motion], which emphasizes action by the U.N. and the international community. It outlines the importance of working with a coalition and, before American lives are placed at risk, exhausting all other options through diplomacy and unfettered inspections. We should do all we can to secure a Security Council endorsement for an invasion of Iraq, and possibly to avoid a war by forcing Saddam to abide by the U.N. requirements for disarmament. War must always be a last resort."

October 10, 2002

DIANNE FEINSTEIN
(D-CALIFORNIA)
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[after listing the various transgressions and dangers of Saddam Hussein]:

"This is not sufficient reason to pre-emptively attack another sovereign nation -- for the first time in this nation's history -- without first being provoked by an attack against our homeland, our people or our interests. It is not a sufficient reason to put our servicemen and -women in harm's way when there are real, viable options, short of war, left on the table . . . The question becomes, Is use of force a first option or a last resort? In my view, it should be a last resort. In my view, the U.S., working with the international community, should do all it can to disarm Iraq before jumping to military force as an option."

Many Democrats made the same comments I've posted. 'As a LAST resort once all other avenues have been exausted' (ph).

As soon as Bush had the authorization the war drums started pounding. He did NOT invade Iraq as a last resort.

So, let's stop all the talk about 'Democrats voted for it too'. They did so as A LAST RESORT, based on faulty, scrubbed intelligence. The UN weapons inspectors were PLEADING for 2 months to complete their findings - which at the time of invasion were NOT finding WMD's.

The record is clear on everything I've posted.

What started the whole damn thing?

Cheney lying.

Thanx fer askin'.

Be Well.

The guy who was right all along (thankfully now CiC):

"I know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors. ... I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that" "invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale" "without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than the best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars."

President Barack Obama 2002

Meanwhile, the WH was testifying the war would be over in months, we'd be greeted as liberators, and the cost of the war would be recouped with Iraqi oil revenues. All while having no post invasion plan, and forcing then Army Chief of Staff Shinseki into retirement for daring to testify we needed a MINIMUM of 500,000 to avoid a quagmire and ensure security in Iraq once we invaded.

Now, who had the better judgement? Bush or Obama? BTW, Bush assured Hillary Clinton and other Democrat Senators war would be a last resort - that they'd allow the weapons inspectors to complete their job. Bush and Co lied their asses off. Period.

gullible fools who masturbate over books about prosecuting Bush and Cheney.
#144 | Posted by vernon

Heady stuff, coming from a boob whose literary masturbatory aid of choice is the Bible.

His wife's outing was the WH's attempt to discredit him, when, in fact, he'd discredited THEM.

That is because the truth will always come out.

SEC. 2. SUPPORT FOR UNITED STATES DIPLOMATIC EFFORTS.

The Congress of the United States supports the efforts by the President to--

(1) strictly enforce through the United Nations Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq and encourages him in those efforts; and

(2) obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) AUTHORIZATION- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to--

(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and

(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.

It is irrelevant who voted what on the resolution. It is actually irrelevant who was lied to or not.

This is the authorization.

Iraq posed NO threat to the US in March 2003. Simple Fact.

Bush had NO AUTHORITY to invade Iraq. Period. End of Story.

And of course there is the small sticking point of enforcing UN Resolutions, no UN resolution authorized an invasion.

TH - you going to get on cel for the following:

"FUCK DICK CHENEY!!!!!! MISERABLE WAR CRIMINAL!!!! If the Good Lord wishes it I hope that you enjoy you eternity in HELL!!!!!!!!"

#51 | Posted by celisary at 2010-02-22 09:06 PM

I mean you DID ride my tail end for the better part of a year to apologize for something similar...

if you cant see the difference between someone wishing a war criminal like Dick Cheney dying and saying a female peace activist deserves to be raped and murdered then you are more delusional than I thought.

and hmmm lets look at what celisary says

FUCK DICK CHENEY!!!!!! MISERABLE WAR CRIMINAL!!!! If the Good Lord wishes it I hope that you enjoy you eternity in HELL!!!!!!!!"

#51 | Posted by celisary at 2010-02-22 09:06 PM

Fuck dick cheney Fair enough, fuck dick cheney I feel quite similarly
Miserable War Criminal-I agree with this statement.
IF THE GOOD LORD WISHES IT-hmmmm thy will be done, Celisary is stating he hopes his desires matches gods

Lets compare that to someone expressing a belief that a female peace activist DESERVES being raped and murdered (which you expressed)

Nope nothing in common at all.

Everyone comes to the point they're meant to come to, th...otherwise they'd never get there...EVERYONE. Even hypocrits like you! TA!

So there is nothing like free will nanc? Love it when dumbasses argue against their own beliefs.

So it was god's will that that peace activist was raped and murdered? Cause if that is the case she really didnt get what she DESERVED she got what god wanted her to get-and that seems kind of cruel to me.

If there is free will, well than we get to the point we choose, right? and cheney chose to be a lying, war mongering, scumbag and in your mind stupidity is DESERVING of rape and murder (your words not mine).

of course that kind of puts in perspective your whining about people spamming your website cause YOU made it public, you did something stupid YOU SHOULD say YOU DESERVE to have been spammed

Even hypocrits like you!

I'm thinking the "nothing in common at all" just didn't register.

He deserves death. All the pussies in this thread hemming and hawing around that are kidding themselves. We should all celebrate when he croaks.

www.youtube.com

Burnt black and silent,
rust and blood upon my reaper's blade
I come collect the tolls
gather up all the debts unpaid
I call when you least expect
but when you deserve it the most
Behold the timekeeper
the end is getting close

Come greet the reaper
You know the time is nigh
This is the day of reckoning,
your time to die
Brave men they spin in fear
At the sound of my voice
Say goodbye to life so dear
You no longer have a choice

Corporatism is, according to Mussolini, the first stage of Fascism..... and Dick Cheney is it's poster boy.

www.youtube.com

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand over your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead.

And don't pretend that Cheney is some beloved American figure, 'cause you know he ain't.

This just came from CNN. Cheney is fine. It was not a heart attack. Just indigestion. Apparently he ate a bad baby for dinner. Cheney says he is feeling better and looking forward to attacking the wartime president on Fox and shooting someone in the face.

:)

In all seriousness though, while I dislike him, I hope Cheney is feeling better and out of the hospital soon enough.

Now let me be clear -
I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man
who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN
resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons,
and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be
better off without him.

President Barack Obama 2002

can we still book him for the next dancing with the stars? maybe he can have the Big Kahuna on stage...

President Barack Obama 2002
#229 | Posted by crispee_oc

Thanks for pointing out that Obama opposed Saddam Hussein -- althnough, as we all well know, he was opposed to war with Iraq from the get-go:
www.youtube.com

Thinking that opposition to Saddam automatically meant favoring a war with Iraq is, as you know, a moronic position to take. Thanks for helping drive home the point.

Thanks for helping drive home the point.

#231 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2010-02-23 10:37 AM |

You are very welcome Neville Chamberlain.

In evidence to the Chilcot inquiry today, Tony Blair said:

"No regrets at removing Saddam Hussein. He was a monster and a threat. The world is safer as a result. He reflects on his decision every day.

"If we had left Saddam in power, we would still have had to deal with him, possibly in circumstances where the threat was worse."

"I would fairly describe our policy up to September 11 as doing our best ... but with a different calculus of risk assessment ... The crucial thing after September 11 was that the calculus of risk changed."

In the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, he firmly believed that he could not run the risk that Saddam would reconstitute his banned weapons programmes. "The decision I took and frankly would take again was if there was any possibility that he could develop weapons of mass destruction [WMD] we should stop him. That was my view then and that is my view now."

He suggested that there was no real difference between wanting regime change and wanting Iraq to disarm: regime change was US policy because Iraq was in breach of its UN obligations. "It's more a different way of expressing the same proposition."

On the "beyond doubt" line written he wrote in the foreword of the September 2002 dossier to describe the strength of evidence of weapons of mass destruction, he said: "What I actually said in the foreword was that I believed it beyond doubt ... and I did believe it."

www.guardian.co.uk

#232 | POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC

There are two countries. One is already known to possess a few nuclear weapons and hate us. The other is quite near possessing nuclear weapons and hates us. Who do you invade? Oh yes, their neighbor who hates us but can barely make a pipe bomb. Good one there Crispee.

You are very welcome Neville Chamberlain.
#232 | Posted by crispee_oc

Not a'tall, Screaming Lord Sutch.

With all of his heart problems he needs to loose some weight already. The best medical treatment in the world can only do so much. The rest is up to the individual.

There are two countries. One is already known to possess a few nuclear weapons and hate us. The other is quite near possessing nuclear weapons and hates us. Who do you invade? Oh yes, their neighbor who hates us but can barely make a pipe bomb. Good one there Crispee.
#234 | Posted by Sycophant at 2010-02-23 10:54 AM |

Thanks again, I think it is quite clear what would happen to either of those countries, if they chose to use their weapons against America.

if you cant say something nice.............

#8 | Posted by truthhurts at 2010-0I

I just hate it when one of you knuckleheads actually says something humorous...

And even if Obama supported the war in 2002, which he did not, he was neither in the White House (so it's weird to cite a quote as President Obama) nor in any position of national leadership. He didn't vote for or against the resolution/war powers act because he couldn't. He was a state senator in Illinois.

And Nanc, did you really say that a woman who was raped and murdered deserved it? If so, how in the world can you call yourself a Christian?

"Thanks again, I think it is quite clear what would happen to either of those countries, if they chose to use their weapons against America. "

It's also quite clear that none of them have.

#239 - no.

now now nanc are you going to make me go back through 2 or 3 years of your posts?

what you said was that the peace activist, for doing something stupid, got what she deserved.

what she got was raped and murdered.

now own it dont rewrite history.

HEY LOOK THAT WAS EASY!

www.drudge.com

i don't feel sorry for people choose to be stupid, truthhurts - if it's self inflicted, whatever comes is deserved. i cannot stop or help it.

take a hike why don't you? got a wedding dress handy?

Posted by nanc

The peace activist was raped and murdered while travelling through Turkey to protest against conflicts throughout the world.

Nanc viewed this as self inflicted and she got what she deserved.

In Nanc's defense after me regularly pointing out this position she expressed a half assed apology, but SHE REOPENED THIS TOPIC in #220 above.

I hope he makes a full recovery and then is tried and executed for treason.

Oh yeah and a few months later nanc was spammed on her own webpage/website by a poster from the Drudge Retort.

i pointed out to her that she might be considered stupid for posting public information where some asshat could come along and bother her and according to her own definition she got what she deserved.

Notice at the start that the promise of this Beatitude is to the "peacemaker" and not to the "peace lover." Passivity is not the answer; activity is. "Peacemaking" is an action word, implying that the Christian' is to be busy making peace in this world. There are many who love peace and few who work for it. (It should be noted here that we are not condoning a peace activism which ignores other important biblical principles).

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God."

neither nanc nor dick cheney are sons of god

sons of bitches yes

sons of god no

man that was one classic thread

Officially a heart attack now. This is his fourth or fifth. And he should be fine and released in the next couple days.

I hope they can find it soon and get the fat fucker back on his feet and back making an ass of himself on the Sunday talk shows.

Really.

#9 | Posted by axe

Here is hoping for a speedy recovery. How about we all send him a box of OMAHA STEAKS to assist?!

CNN: Former Vice President Dick Cheney has been hospitalized!

America: "So?"

FIFTH heart attack??? Am I correct in that?

This is starting to sound a little Faustian....

Sneak up behind his bed when it's quiet and pop a balloon.

Saint Peter: "So let's see...you ordered the torture of hundreds of fellow humans...why?"

Cheney: "They were probably mostly bad guys"

Saint Peter: "and what do you call a bad guy?"

Cheney: "Someone who disagrees with our way of life and wants us to leave their homeland."

Saint Peter: "riiiiight. and you convinced the your leader to attack a foreign nation resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people because...."

Cheney: "Because they had a bad leader who may someday have helped somebody attack us."

Saint Peter: "mkay. well we're all filled up here. might wanna try hell. sounds like you'd fit in there a little better."

I can't honestly say I give a damn if he lives or dies.

#135 | Posted by danni at 2010-02-22 11:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

I guess you can say the same about Kerry, Clinton, and the other dems who voted for the topics you just ranted against.

Another thread of liberal tolerance and sympathy for a former republican official. You guys really need to work on your BS lines about Republicans not caring - unless you are actually republicans in disguise?

Die "dick" die.

Really.

A painful death just like a draft dodging Pussy like yourself needs to suffer like the fine men and women who fought your "War For Oil" did.

Fuck You.

"You guys really need to work on your BS lines about Republicans not caring - unless you are actually republicans in disguise?"

There is a huge difference between not caring about a specific person for specific reasons and not caring about large groups of people for anecdotal reasons which do not obtain across the entire group.

Maybe #6 will be the charm, Hag.

unless you are actually republicans in disguise?

#253 | POSTED BY ELCIDCE90 AT 2010-02-23 06:22 PM

There is no gaaawwd, bible thumper.

A hypocrite like yourself will find that out oneday.

Elizabeth, I'm comin' to join you!

#251 | POSTED BY BRIWO
#252 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Another version:
St. Peter: Whoa, there, Dick, don't EVEN think about it.
Cheney: Yes, but Briwo popped a balloon and ---
St. Peter: Yes, he was doing God's work. Which is a lot more than we can say for you. Now, if you don't mind, I've a lunch with Murtha, so, as the kids say, GTFO.

A hypocrite like yourself will find that out oneday.

#257 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2010-02-23 06:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

I am not a bible thumper - nor a hypocrite. Please take the dookie out of your mouth and step away from the keyboard as you are dripping some and it is coming through on my screen.

Every Christian is not a bible thumper Jerry. If there is a debate on the issue - I will take the side I believe in - you can continue with your denials as long as you like.

Please join me in wishing this exceptional American a speedy recovery.

#1 | POSTED BY COOKFISH AT 2010-02-22 07:46 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Yes--a speedy recovery.

#2 | POSTED BY MURPHY AT 2010-02-22 07:46 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Sounds like Clinton--needs another stent.
Cheney has like 6 stents already.

#3 | POSTED BY MURPHY AT 2010-02-22 07:48 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Get well soon and God Bless.

#4 | POSTED BY WISGOD AT 2010-02-22 07:48 PM | REPLY

If there was really a "gaawd" Muffy, this piece of shit would already be taking a dirt nap.

Every Christian is not a bible thumper Jerry. If there is a debate on the issue - I will take the side I believe in - you can continue with your denials as long as you like.

#260 | POSTED BY ELCIDCE90 AT 2010-02-23 07:04 PM |

You believe in a book of fairy tales, you dipshit.

No proof.

No nothing.

Idiot.

I can't honestly say I give a damn if he lives or dies.

#135 | Posted by danni

Indecisive, eh? Not me. I hope he dies asap.

Not because he's evil and all that, but rather because he and The Potted Plant sold the USA to corporations. And i'm afraid his plan was so fantastically successful that it can never be fixed. We are engaged in 2 corporate wars right now.

Another reason he deserves a speedy demise is The Patriot Act.

#262 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2010-02-23 07:10 PM | Flag: Emo

Indecisive, eh? Not me. I hope he dies asap.

Not because he's evil and all that, but rather because he and The Potted Plant sold the USA to corporations. And i'm afraid his plan was so fantastically successful that it can never be fixed. We are engaged in 2 corporate wars right now.

Another reason he deserves a speedy demise is The Patriot Act.

#263 | Posted by Lipzoidial at 2010-02-23 07:26 PM

I don't know, but I get kind of excited when someone who is powerful and wealthy dies. It's like they spend their life "above" us all and suddenly they realize they end up the same as everyone else, dead.

"And all your money won't another minute buy. Dust in the wind."

actually when you can afford health care, money does buy you time on earth.

"i don't feel sorry for people choose to be stupid, truthhurts - if it's self inflicted, whatever comes is deserved. i cannot stop or help it.

take a hike why don't you? got a wedding dress handy?

Posted by nanc"

What a Kunt.

"#239 - no.

#239 | Posted by nanc"

What a Liar.

#267 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Well, now that's a fair point.
Silly Kansas song....


I guess you can say the same about Kerry, Clinton, and the other dems who voted for the topics you just ranted against.

#253 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

Democrats (Kerry, Clinton, etc) statements "as a last resort ... once all other avenues have been exhausted....etc, etc, etc" (ph) on the DAY of the Iraq vote are posted above starting here:

www.drudge.com

Hillary Clinton and others were TOLD by Bush he'd only go to war as a last resort. He lied. Period. The intel Congress was given was scrubbed of doubts and jacked up to support the WH's wish: to go to war as a FIRST RESORT.

They knew, or should have known. But there is ultimately only one man responsible for invading Iraq. Such is the awesome responsibility of the President. If he turns out to be a coward with a need to plant his balls on an aircraft carrier to declare victory, no amount of schemers and political hacks or the Machiavellian maneuvers of vice-presidents will absolve him of that decision, or of his own innate inability, incompetence, hubris and lies.

He'd only go to war as a last resort.
#271 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-02-23 09:27 PM

Christ Almighty AU, how many times are you going to repeat that on one thread? Do you have it pasted in word to save time typing? That's at least six times now. Thinks maybe it is time for a new schtick?

"If he turns out to be a coward with a need to plant his balls on an aircraft carrier to declare victory"

God forbid he praise the military.

"Our nation and our coalition are proud of this accomplishment - yet it is you, the members of the United States military, who achieved it. Your courage - your willingness to face danger for your country and for each other - made this day possible. Because of you, our nation is more secure. Because of you, the tyrant has fallen, and Iraq is free."

Be nice to here this president take the time and thank them the same way.

#273 | Posted by crispee_oc

It didn't stop several right wing idiots from repeating the same line even after I'd posted Democraats comments before the vote to authorize war with Iraq, did it?

It didn't stop several right wing idiots from repeating the same line even after I'd posted Democraats comments before the vote to authorize war with Iraq, did it?
#275 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-02-23 09:56 PM

Yeah I see what you mean AU. How could I have missed that? lol

How old are you? Ask Dad if you can't recall.
#106 | Posted by wisgod at 2010-02-22 09:55 PM

#106 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole
Democrats who voted for the authorization made a point of saying war 'as a last resort'.
#109 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-02-22 09:57 PM

"am I supposed to be tolerant of someone I believe damaged irreparably our nation?"

The fact you are gullible enough to believe that speaks more about you than Cheney. Cheney may not have served in Nam, but he certainly served the Country as a Congressman, Sec of Defense, Vice-President.

#30 | Posted by crispee_oc

He is a scumbag and so are his ass licking fuckwad followers.

I hope he makes it so he can have another 6 heart attacks..He doesn't deserve to die.. he needs to be miserable.

"He is a scumbag and so are his ass licking fuckwad followers."

I am sure Cheney is heartbroken reading what some worthless tool on a lib site thinks about him.

ol' dick would have to have a heart to to be heartbroken

he has balls tho and I would love to see them being kicked by a big brute with no table manners in Leavenworth.

I am sure you have a fascination with his balls. Unfortunately for you, I don't believe he feels the same way about you. So sad. But don't cry, little tadpole swallower, if you hang out in enough bathrooms, maybe you can pick up Larry Craig or Barney Frank.

Cheney Suffered...

Will stop you there.

* Enjoys Shadenfreude moment *

K, continue...

...Fifth Heart Attack.

Oh Noes!

Dickless can't die yet.

Spud wants to see Dick get well so he can fit and at the top of his game when they drag his murderous War Criminal ass to the Hague.

Get Well Soon.

Be Well.

Get well.

hmmm if being gay is genetic, cheney appears to have the gay gene in him.

Just saying.

Watching the idiots pine for the day Cheney goes to court is as priceless as watching them scratch lottery tickets at the Gas Station and lose.

"He is a scumbag and so are his ass licking fuckwad followers."
I am sure Cheney is heartbroken reading what some worthless tool on a lib site thinks about him.
#278 | POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC

Doesn't change the facts..

Spud wants to see Dick get well so he can fit and at the top of his game when they drag his murderous War Criminal ass to the Hague.

Get Well Soon.

Be Well.

#282 | Posted by dethspud

Spud, put it in perspective.

Saddam attacks Iran and kills or wounds millions, my wife's bother, one of them. He is suffering from the after effects of chemical weapons. He's one of the lucky ones. Most have already died.

The US has chemical weapons to use in case the enemy overruns us. It's a deterrent and I think it worked in Iran/Iraq war. The Iranian commanders Iran knew this and didn't take over Iraq--they were going to do it. However, Saddam used the weapons to try to win the war! Did the world express outrage? The world (including you) didn't even know about it! You don't even know what the chemical weapons were for. You think Carter gave those chemical weapons to Saddam so that he could go on the offensive with them?

Cheney attacks Iraq and takes out Saddam and you have a problem with that? I have a problem that the US had to do it, but I don't have a problem with seeing Saddam and the people around him being taken out.

All I'm saying Spud is to stop trying to use a political hammer and ignore the rest of the story.

That's why you are a political hack!

"He is a scumbag and so are his ass licking fuckwad followers."

"I am sure Cheney is heartbroken reading what some worthless tool on a lib site thinks about him.
#278 | Posted by crispee_oc"

I am sure Cheney gets moist when he sees his loyal bootlicker crispee_oc jumping to defend his honor at every opportunity.

"I am sure Cheney gets moist when he sees his loyal bootlicker crispee_oc jumping to defend his honor at every opportunity."

Nah. Just laughing at losers like you and others who make themselves feel better by wishing for him to suffer or die.

Crispee - you know it's only right that the left wish or honor death on conservatives - some pigs are more equal than others. Remember - tolerant is something they claim to have the rights to...well unless it comes to showing mercy for the other side. We are fair game in their world. Unequal pigs.

Yeah, you know, the same way Nanc said that the nun girl deserved to be raped and murdered. Practice what you preach, bitch.

Nun girl = wedding dress girl. D'oh!

Sorry to disappoint but Dick Cheney believes in God and on balance is a good person.. it's the afterlife or "Heaven" for his soul

Actually I'm not sorry to disappoint.. I'm pretty friggin happy about it

I think Nelson Muntz said it best.. "Hah Hah"

I can't wait until the day I bump into Dick Cheney walking the Streets of Glory and am able to personally thank him for a job well done.

Anybody here seen my old friend Dick?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up over the hill,
With Abraham, Martin and John.

It's really pretty easy to move on.. Believe in God(or the infinite)/Love your mother and be a good person.

Apparently believing in God and believing in a mother's unconditional love are pretty much the same.. which surprised me at first ,but, it makes sense

It all traces back to the mother.. even in cosmic terms

"I am sure Cheney gets moist when he sees his loyal bootlicker crispee_oc jumping to defend his honor at every opportunity."

"Nah. Just laughing at losers like you and others who make themselves feel better by wishing for him to suffer or die.
#289 | Posted by crispee_oc"

Liar:

"I don't want the old fucker to die. I just want the old fucker to shut his piehole, since he hasn't been right about anything. Just go away, Cheney.

Posted by mOntecOre at 2010-02-22 11:04 PM"

Damn.

I gotta work on my delivery.

- Death.

from above...

"6 hours into the operation and they are still looking for the heart......."

bwahahahahahahaha...

good one. Dick Cheney is to America, what the Emperor is to Star Wars...

the man is E-vil...(only two possibly worse are
Roger (I want to brainwash the world) Ailes and Rupert (I want to own the world) Murdoch...

The world will suffer NO LOSS when he goes...

(wait, wait a moment, nah, nope, nothing)...
thought I had one single redeeming thing I could
credit him with, but no, got nothing...

O Death

Mr Dick,

Enjoy a pork sandwhich on me!

The 6th one's the charm!

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