Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Friday, February 19, 2010

From the The unemployment rate fell from 10.0 to 9.7 percent in January, and nonfarm payroll employment was essentially unchanged (-20,000), the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Employment fell in construction and in transportation and warehousing, while temporary help services and retail trade added jobs. In January, the number of unemployed persons decreased to 14.8 million, and the unemployment rate fell by 0.3 percentage point to 9.7 percent.

Liberal Blog Advertising Network

Menu

Subscriptions

Author Info

AMERICANUNITY

MORE STORIES

Special Features

Comments

Admin's note: Participants in the discussion of this weblog entry should note the site's moderation policy.

"In January, the number of persons unemployed due to job loss decreased by 378,000 to 9.3 million. Nearly all of this decline occurred among permanent
job losers. "

Far cry from 800,000 jobs lost a year ago when Obama took office and we stood on the precipice of another Great Depression. OK, tell us how much things were under Bush - the 'forgotten President'. LOL

Tell us how much better things were under Bush - the 'forgotten President' (by the right).

Good news fer a change?

Huzzah!

Be Well.

Not only was this story up 2 weeks ago, both of you guys commented on it..LOL!

hahaha

FTL...

Employment fell in construction and in
transportation and warehousing, while temporary help services and retail
trade added jobs.

But because the number fell, it's all good. Never mind the fact that jobs lost were better jobs than jobs gained.

But because the number fell, it's all good. Never mind the fact that jobs lost were better jobs than jobs gained.

The fact that America is losing higher paying manufacturing and tech jobs to outsourcing and in sourced H1B visa holders is a grim reality that has been going on for decades now and your point is well taken.

Got any ideas on how to fix that?

Spud reckons that requiring some kinda basic labour and environmental standards being tied into all the so-called Free Trade agreements that currently exist would be a good start.

Be Well.

Got any ideas on how to fix that?

A little old-fashioned isolationism for a couple of years...

requiring some kinda basic labour and environmental standards being tied into all

Yeah, that would help a lot, since it would add across-the-board costs to production that couldn't be scrapped. Enforcing those regulations in other countries would be a task.

"The unemployment rate fell from 10.0 to 9.7 percent in January"

If you folks hadda let me git to where I was a headin'-- the tallgrass country of, oh, hell, I dunno, maybe 12% or 14% unemployment -- why, gol-eee, shucks, and two shits short of a fiddle, we'd a been there by now. Hard werk? Hell, yes, it'd'a been hard werk. But I coulda done it. I coulda been a contender.
~George W[erk] Bush
Phillips Academy 1964
Yale 1968
Harvard 1975

Never mind the fact that jobs lost were better jobs than jobs gained.

That happened all throughout George W Bush's Presidency? Real wages fell, good jobs were replaced with poorer jobs. Home construction companies were allowed to use illegals, Wall Street and IT heavy firms were allowed to 'lay off' (fire) highly paid Americans and 'insource' them with H-1B workers. Companies got tax credits to move entire factories to China. And on and on...

Thank you for making the point made by myself and others here time and time again.

And where were the Dems the whole time? I'll bet none of them voted for Nafta, did they? Why haven't they done something about it since they're in such a majority now?

clerk.house.gov

Put the blame where it belongs, AU, on Congress.

The unemployment rate fell from 10.0 to 9.7 percent in January
gee, thanks for the update . . . what's the rest of the story?

CNN:
"The unemployment rate fell unexpectedly in January to 9.7% . . . yet businesses shed net 20,000 jobs for the month, far fewer than the 150,000 jobs that were lost in December"

wtf? how can that be?

"in January the Labor Department revised its previous estimates for the number of jobs that have been lost over the past 25 months (the total USA jobs) . . . there were 1.4 million MORE jobs in the December 2007 beginning total than previously believed"

hey that's some pretty clever 4th grade arithmatic shit . . .
since they could NOT find any "jobs actually GAINED" . .
they simply made the "denominator" of the "calculation fraction" LARGER, thereby making the result SMALLER"

and the sheeple baaaa in approval

First things first. We have an economy to save.

Obama's already announced he'll be taking a hard look at NAFTA and other trade deals and clamping down on aspects unfair to U.S. interests.

BTW, NAFTA was George HW Bush's baby.

"Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1991 between the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. The agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch."

#13 | Posted by markh

Not to worry, Mark. Obama will fix what W fucked up. It's gonna take time.

Am1st

Trade deals are the purview of the Executive Branch.

We probably need to just go back to a bilateral trde agreement with Canada.

Mexico's a 'giant sucking sound', to borrow from Ross Perot.

The fact that America is losing higher paying manufacturing and tech jobs to outsourcing and in sourced H1B visa holders is a grim reality that has been going on for decades now and your point is well taken.

Got any ideas on how to fix that?
Be Well.
#7 | Posted by dethspud

sure, replace as much of the Senate & House as is possible in Nov 2010

btw, Clinton brought NAFTA to fruition . .
my Rep T Sawyer (D-Oh28) was Clinton's deciding vote . . .
Sawyer is now set for life with villas worldwide - - we didn't even get a bridge to nowhere (or Canada) out of it
as Ross Perot said - - 'that sucking sound ya hear . . it's jobs leaving'

Obama's already announced he'll be taking a hard look at NAFTA and other trade deals and clamping down on aspects unfair to U.S. interests.

Yeah sure he is.

Get back to us when anything is done about it and you can color me shocked.

He has had a year to "look" at these deals and has done squat. If he were serious about restoring the working folks, he would have had it done already.

He has had a year to "look" at these deals and has done squat.

With the emergencies and fires waiting at the WH a year ago ... it will happen in time.

#17 | Posted by markh

George HW Bush negotiated and signed NAFTA.

"Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1991 between the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. The agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch."

George HW Bush negotiated and signed NAFTA

it had no force til congress ratified it

And MARK H

Recall that just a year ago that number was 800,000 jobs lost in January 2009, 750,000 or so the month before that and the month before that.

Seems as when the question is asked, "who wouldn't want to return to GOP policies that brought us to the brink of another depression" we can count on the right wing to raise their hands every time.

Congress fell for his HW's son's sanitized pie-in-the-sky Saddam WMD claims too, based on intelligence reports scrubbed of the myriad of doubts within our own intelligence community and those of our allies.

The Bush's are 'shady' characters who never had the middle class's interests in mind. I'm all for scrubbing NAFTA. Canada is a good trading partner. Mexico not.

NAFTA is not what is draining this country's jobs. North American competitors we can handle, it's China and India which have so much cheap labor that it is destroying our economy.

And when you mention 'insourcing' Chinese and Indian H-1B workers doing jobs on Wall Street and in the IT sector here - jobs Americans were doing until they were 'laid off' (fired) - you'll get a 'lecture' from some right winger on how overpaid Americans are.

You guys are busy this morning.

"who wouldn't want to return to GOP policies that brought us to the brink of another depression" we can count on the right wing to raise their hands every time.

#22 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

huh?
U R arguing against yourself AU . . . in each & every scenario ya bring up working class America is better off with less Gvt. not more

Too much noise over noise.
It's the debt stupid! Pay attention to the debt!

Not bad considering more jobs were lost.

huh?
U R arguing against yourself AU . . . in each & every scenario ya bring up working class America is better off with less Gvt. not more

#27 | Posted by markh at 2010-02-19 12:28 PM

Notice how AU ran away from your poiint about Congress having to ratify NAFTA. Not to mention your post about Clinton?

BTW... AU must have forgotten claims went up another 10,000 last week and as usual is desperate for any short term good news to praise this administration.

Fall? 9.7%? Do get real.

www.silverbearcafe.com

If either Party were truly serious about cutting unemployment, the Southern border would be sealed. While lots of people might still sneak in, the numbers would be far less. Unfortunately, big business benefits too much from all the cheap undocumented laborers. Well paid construction jobs for English speakers here in SoCal are becoming a rarity. And wait until Mexican truckers are given full access to drive their trucks all over the USA instead of just the border areas they are currently limited to...

"Unfortunately, big business benefits too much from all the cheap undocumented laborers. Well paid construction jobs for English speakers here in SoCal are becoming a rarity."

What's all the fuss? There are only about 10 million of them. Then, of course, there are about another 10 million or so on welfare, attending schools, receiving medical care, etc. You must be terribly selfish and heartless. They are only adding a couple of hundred billion to the deficit. You folks out there in CA can absorb that, can't you? C'mon now...let's see some charity for our "undocumented" citizens.

When total failure is a positive story, you know things are being well-run!

Tell us how much better things were under Bush - the 'forgotten President' (by the right).

#3 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

Not better, not worse... Nothing of significance has changed since the Bush Administration. If I were a Dem I would be livid.


Far cry from 800,000 jobs lost a year ago when Obama took office and we stood on the precipice of another Great Depression. OK, tell us how much things were under Bush - the 'forgotten President'. LOL

#2 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Why is there no one to support this lie except a few Democrats?

You're like a Bushbot!

The stimulus failed. There was no looming depression. It's a strawman argument!

Can we just get over this failure and move on?

All the GOP have been trying to accomplish is getting in power again. Their obstructionism has been historic in it's scope. This post from another thread pretty much covers the "he's just like Bush...not getting anything done..":

Problem is: we are all on the same team 1Lib, trying to dig ourselves out of this hole the Republicans got us into. And, those Republicans are now obstructing any kind of meaningful legislation. Your statement exemplifies what is wrong with our country; people like you have let yourself become convinced that as Americans we are in opposition with one another. We are not. We are all Americans

The Republican congress whines about open and televised healthcare debate. They get it, and then whine that it's a "trap"...

They whine about government spending. Then vote against creating the very budget deficit committee they themselves came up with...

This has been going on for the last year; when America has needed congress to ACT, the Republicans obstruct...

This wouldn't be so bad if they didn't whine all the time about the Democrats and Obama not getting things done. And, when the Democrats actually can get something through by "ramming it down their throats", they try to take credit for it back in their home states...

Really Pathetic: Party politics over the good of our country as always: The Republican way...

"We didn't win, so we're not playing!!! (But we will bitch a lot)"


#127 | Posted by Capt_Of_Uranus at 2010-02-19 05:09 PM


#13 | Posted by markh

Not to worry, Mark. Obama will fix what W fucked up. It's gonna take time.

#15 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

How?

You don't fix tax and spend with tax and spend!

Do you, or the better question is, does Obama have a clue how to fix the economy?

This is bullshit to blame very very bad decisions on the last administartion. The last administration had very little to do with the stimulus package!

Can we just get over this failure and move on?
#36 | Posted by Eddie

Ah, yes, the famous words Mr. Haskell uttered to Mrs. Haskell as he gazed through the glass window at the newborn son.

#39 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2010-02-19 05:23 PM | Reply | Flag: nat

Why don't you ever have anything to add either for or against an argument?

You've lost it, Doc. So sad.

It's like you know that Obama is failing and are helpless.

It's good that you know. Perhaps you could tell the rest of the Libs?

EDDIE

"Conservatives" left this country in a hell of a mess. You know it. I know it.

The Stimulus Bill is a 3 year plan. Are you saying it hasn't had an impact? Just about any economist not with the Heritage Foundation conclude it's saved and/or created a couple million jobs.

Did you not enjoy the tax relief last year? Are you not taking advantage of the small business tax relief, loans, tax credits to hire new workers?

The same 'conservative' politicians who voted for one unfunded trillion dollar debacle after another are up on stage whining about the mess they created while saying "NO!" to practically everything.


"Conservatives" left this country in a hell of a mess. You know it. I know it.

#41 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Agreed. But they are not Conservatives. They are neocons and their support of Corporatism is mostly to blame for most of this.

AU: I am not certain Eddie knows. I'm not sure though whether it is due to a lack of intelligence or blind partisanship. In either case, discussing issues that cast a negative reflection on conservatives is a pointless excercise with Eddie.

A falling knife eventually hits solid ground.

What we are hitting is the base line in the economy.

If you have a million people and you lay off 10% you lay off 100,000. You do that ...and evenutally you only have 500k employed..now you lay off 10% and it is only 50K. This is the situation we are currently in...and you guys are saying " well we lost 800K at the start with Bush (when unemployment was 5%) ..and a year we are only losing 100K (when unemployment is 10%) - see how good Obama is doing"

This type of analysis is why liberals should never be allowed to hold any office that requires basic economic knowledge.

By the way: "Effective with data for January 2010, updated population estimates have been
used in the household survey. In accordance with usual practice, BLS will not revise the official household survey estimates for December 2009 or earlier months.

The adjustment decreased the estimated size of the civilian noninstitutional population in December by 258,000, the civilian labor force by 249,000, and employment by 243,000"

% always look better when you change the totals.

AND **** WASHINGTON, Feb 18 (Reuters) - The number of U.S. workers filing new applications for unemployment insurance unexpectedly surged last week, while producer prices increased sharply in January, raising potential hurdles for the economy's recovery.

Initial claims for state jobless benefits increased 31,000 to 473,000, the Labor Department said on Thursday. Financial markets had expected them to fall slightly to 430,000.

Another report from the department showed prices paid at the farm and factory gate rose a faster-than-expected 1.4 percent from December as higher gasoline prices and unusually cold temperatures helped boost energy costs.

**** This will drive the Feb numbers PAST 10% (unless they adjust the population YET again) and this puts inflation on track to be 16% this year!

What did I say in my prior posts? Government spending will lead to stagnate employment and higher inflation? Yep...that is what I said...and that is what is happening. ******


The Stimulus Bill is a 3 year plan. Are you saying it hasn't had an impact? Just about any economist not with the Heritage Foundation conclude it's saved and/or created a couple million jobs.

#41 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Think of the jobs that would have been created if there was no bill?

Many jobs were lost because of the bill and companies held back from investing because of this huge spending.

It was a mistake and no one is supporting this thing except Obama, Reid, and Pelosi.

What's it going to take to get them to understand? Run them out?

I'd prefer for Obama to admit the mistake and try to fix it. There was already too much spending on the war and his job was to reverse that trend.

YOU DON'T FIX THE PROBLEM OF SPENDING WITH MORE SPENDING!

Now he's got the problems from the neocons and his own.

Did you not enjoy the tax relief last year? Are you not taking advantage of the small business tax relief, loans, tax credits to hire new workers?

#41 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

I've just started a new business so I've got all the write offs that I need.

But, no, there was no news of these things he was doing for small business in 2009!

This is his major problem. This news would have boosted the economy and gotten business interested in investing and hiring new workers. But I think that what you are talking about is not even implemented yet.


AU: I am not certain Eddie knows. I'm not sure though whether it is due to a lack of intelligence or blind partisanship.

#43 | Posted by moder8

I don't know because you make this shit up to suit your altered reality.

You lie until it fits!

In either case, discussing issues that cast a negative reflection on conservatives is a pointless excercise with Eddie.

Probably because I remind you that the Conservatives are the ones who are going to be winning and taking seats in 2010. The Dems and Neocons are quitting.

What did I say in my prior posts? Government spending will lead to stagnate employment and higher inflation? Yep...that is what I said...and that is what is happening. ******

#44 | Posted by foshaffer

You're right, foshaffer.

A true story:
My wife would never let my son have a snake or a mouse or anything other than a small dog. Middle Easterners are like that. Pets should be on the farm. Anyway, when he moved out and got his own place, he went nuts with buying all kinds of pets. He had eight rats in a large cage, 2 dogs, a cat, a gerbil, but never got a snake. When you walked into his apt, it stunk! OMG, it was like hitting a brick wall when you walked through over the threshold.

I told you to illustrate what happened when the Dems took of Congress and the White House. It was like getting out from under Mommy's rule! They went nuts.

I hope they learn. My son has no pets and is very happy!

"Vote for me! I promise I won't do it again (fingers crossed)"

Fox Inthe Henhouse (R) '10

#46 | Posted by Eddie

Talk to your accountant

AU: I am not certain Eddie knows. I'm not sure though whether it is due to a lack of intelligence or blind partisanship. In either case, discussing issues that cast a negative reflection on conservatives is a pointless excercise with Eddie.

Posted by moder8 at 2010-02-19 05:43 PM

Hopefully, the GOP have dropped that 'party of fiscal responsibility' BS. The fox wants back in the hen house

"Vote for me! I promise I won't do it again (fingers crossed)"

Better than "Hope and Change We Can Fuck You Over With" or "By God You Will Take Your Change And Like It."

Tell us how much better things were under Bush - the 'forgotten President' (by the right).

#3 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

that's an easy one. before GW became a "lame duck" prez in 2006 unemployment was 4.4% with record federal tax revenues

since the dems took over in 2006....well you know the rest

But, but, but.....BUSH!

Gotta love that argument. How long will it be good for, I wonder.

Good for as long as we have to dig out from under Bush's mountain of failure. Righties blamed Clinton until the day Bush left office.

The right wing are hypocrisy and irresponsibility personified.

Yeah, well we're more than half-way through February, and there have already been a number of "unexpected" jumps in unemployment claims.

The official figure is tweaked, and usually tweaked in the wrong direction, for revision later, when it's old news and no longer a headline. The "seasonal adjustments" are a political game and a fraud, and even simple things such as offices closed due to holiday or weather are not accounted for.

Also not counted are the record number of people finally giving up searching for a job. These then no longer get counted as unemployed. Same for part-time or underemployed. A $100,000 a year manager who is making $28,000 full time at Home Depot shows up as fully employed.

And it couldn't be 9.7 percent either, since Obama promised it wouldn't even get up to 8.

Don't believe 9.7% for a minute.

Of course this cluster-fuck didn't start until Obama took office.

Right "Dimsey"?

The right wing went right from blaming Clinton and even Carter to blaming Obama.

I certainly hope the right wing has the courage to trot out George W Bush, Cheney, Trent Lott, and Tom Delay during the election cycle so America can assuage any forgetfulness over how horrible GOP governance is. Doubt it though. They're chicken to do anything so straightforward and honest.

Putting the (blame) squarely where it belongs is done. Now Obama can propel us to prosperity! Yeah change we all believe in, especially now. All American's now have a bright and shiny future to look forward to. So lets not look back any longer and blame the past. "Move-On"! (Good-Luck)

"Don't believe 9.7% for a minute."

Ok, but tell me, why did the same people who now don't believe 9.7% react so angrily back in 2004 and 2005 when I and others said 5% was bull shit and that the jobs that were still out there were low pay bull shit jobs??? WE had many discussions right here about unemployment during the Bush years, and the same folks who now say the 9.7% numbers are b.s. were defending the official numbers then. Truth is, the Bush economy was never as good for working folks as many liked to pretend and the Bush depression has made life even worse for working folks. President Obama is doing his best to rebuild the economy Bush destroyed but it's a little difficult when millions of good paying jobs have now been outsourced to China and India.
BTW, I'm personally tired of NAFTA bashing, Mexico didn't destroy our economy, it's more like we destroyed theirs with factory farms which undercut the prices for basic commodities like corn and bankrupted millions of family farmers in Mexico.
We need to build a north American trading alliance, we should probably bring S. American into it as well. Our competition is Asia. Our competition is Europe. WE can be successful but we need to include our neighbors, we are truely missing an opportunity when we don't align ourselves with Brazil, Mexico, ARgentina and hopefully (when they replace Chavez) VEnezuela.
The Western Hemisphere Trading Alliance is the future, free trade agreements with China and other nations in Asia are paths to bankruptcy.

the USA is the land of opportunity, if you are a maid, waitress or bartender.

the bureau of labor statistics have been proving this for a decade.

FEBRUARY 18 2010 "Jobless claims rise unexpectedly"

money.cnn.com

Boy how the truth somehow always finds its way to the surface. And to think this was an article on CNN's website!

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- "The number of Americans filing first-time claims for unemployment insurance climbed unexpectedly last week.

There were 473,000 initial jobless claims filed in the week ended Feb. 13, up 31,000 from the previous week's upwardly revised 442,000, the Labor Department said on Thursday.

Facebook Digg Twitter Buzz Up! Email Print Comment on this story

A consensus estimate of economists surveyed by Briefing.com expected claims to slide to 438,000.

The 4-week moving average of initial claims, which levels out volatility, was 467,000, down 1,500 from the previous week's revised average of 469,000.

"We may have had some weather effects," said Wells Fargo senior economist Mark Vitner, adding that the blizzards that battered the East Coast at the end of the previous week may have led people to delay filing unemployment claims to last week.

The 4-week moving average, he said, is a more accurate measure of where jobless claims currently stand.

"We're better than we were a few months ago, but I think the labor market is not improving as rapidly as we had hoped," Vitner said.

The Labor Department said employers shed a modest 20,000 jobs in January -- an improvement from the 150,000 that were lost in December -- and that the unemployment rate fell to 9.7%.

Economists expect businesses to add 10,000 jobs in February, but project the unemployment rate will rise to 9.8%. Vitner, on the other hand, doesn't expect nonfarm payrolls to move into positive territory until late spring.

Continuing claims: The number of people filing continuing claims in the week ended Feb. 6 was unchanged from the previous week's revised 4,563,000 claims.

Economists were expecting continuing claims to fall to 4,500,000.

Continuing claims reflect people filing each week after their initial benefit week until the end of their standard benefits, which usually last 26 weeks. The figures do not include those who have moved into state or federal extensions, or people whose benefits have expired.

The 4-week moving average for ongoing claims fell by 24,000 to 4,585,750 from the previous week's revised 4,609,750.

The slide may be signaling that more filers are dropping off those rolls into extended benefits.

State-by-state: Jobless claims in seven states declined by more than 1,000 in the week ended Feb. 6, the most recent state data available. Claims in California dropped the most, by 13,535, which the state attributed to fewer layoffs in the construction industry.

Claims rose by more than 1,000 in four states, increasing the most in Iowa. Filings rose there by 2,014 due to more layoffs in the construction industry, according to the state."

Unemployment Down and Running Out

jobsearch.about.com

The number of long-term unemployed (those jobless for 27 weeks and over) continued to increase in January, reaching 6.3 million. In addition, the job market remains really competitive with over 6 unemployed workers for every job opening.

Job losses continued in construction and in transportation and warehousing, while employment increased in temporary help services, health care, retail, and in federal government hiring.

The underemployment rate, which includes people who aren't looking for work, but want a job, and those who are working part-time because they can't find a full-time position dropped to 16.5% in January.

BTW, NAFTA was George HW Bush's baby.

"Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1991 between the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. The agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch."

#14 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-02-19 07:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

Cute cut-and-paste from Wiki, bot somehow you missed the next sentence ...

"Before the negotiations were finalized, Bill Clinton came into office in the U.S...."

It was Bill Clinton who sold NAFTA to Congress for ratification. If Bubba had not pushed so hard, NAFTA would have failed. He is forever associated with NAFTA.

"Claims in California dropped the most, by 13,535, which the state attributed to fewer layoffs in the construction industry. "

That will make a lot of families in Mexico feel better.

"For the first time in years, the flow of remittances greenbacks from Mexico's many migrants in the U.S. was virtually flat along what the World Bank calls the planet's largest migration corridor. Mexico's Central Bank reported Wednesday that it received nearly $24 billion in 2007, compared with $23.74 billion in 2006, after several years of double-digit increases."

www.dallasnews.com

VERN, what are the Taiwanese figures? THOSE are all you need concern yourself with, expat

#64 | Posted by vernon

So, that's why George HW Bush initiated it, negotiated it, then signed it, huh?

Grasping at intangible straws - believe these numbers if it fits your current world view,

He has had a year to "look" at these deals and has done squat.

With the emergencies and fires waiting at the WH a year ago ... it will happen in time.

#19 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

You gotta be shittin. The emergencies and fires have been government takeover of the healthcare system along with cao and trade.

Government has never created a JOB ever!!!!!

Averages can be deceiving. This breakdown shows the highest unemployment rates at the lowest income levels. Note the ten to one ratio between the highest and the lowest.
$150,000 or more, 3.2 percent
$100,000 to 149,999, 8 percent
$75,000 to $99,999, 5 percent
$60,000 to $75,000, 6.4 percent
$50,000 to $59,000, 7.8 percent
$40,000 to $49,000, 9 percent
$30,000 to $39,999, 12.2 percent
$20,000 to $29,999, 19.7 percent
$12,500 to $20,000, 19.1 percent
$12,499 or less, 30.8 percent

#69 | Posted by Sniper

What programs built dams, strung electricity, built roads, federal buildings, bridges, improved national parks in the 30's and 40's putting millions to work? Why are bridges, water systems, roads, transportation projects under construction now that weren't a year ago?

Who funds the construction of roads, the interstate system, water systems, sewer systems, electric grids, airports, etc in any given year?

Government.

Tell us how much better things were under Bush - the 'forgotten President' (by the right).

#3 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

I just remember the "good old days" when the rate was less than 5 per cent and all the libs around here could scream about was

THATS not right...thats 'cooking' the numbers and not counting them all.
and the screams were loud and often but FOR SOME REASON...we dont read that from them anymore.what COULD have happened??

Who funds the construction of roads, the interstate system, water systems, sewer systems, electric grids, airports, etc in any given year?

Government.

#71 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

good answer and exactly right

but who also funds the TARP slush fund that obama just gave to for reids campaign...YEAH I Know..he disguised it as something else...

and all of the other shit besides the things you list and rightfully so...

It was 4% or so when Bush took office. The evidence of lower paying new jobs replacing good paying jobs during Bush's term was clear. Real wages fell for the first time in decades.

but who also funds the TARP slush fund that obama just gave to for reids campaign...YEAH I Know..he disguised it as something else...

Clue me in. And not some NewsMax article either LOL

"I just remember the "good old days" when the rate was less than 5 per cent and all the libs around here could scream about was"

We all remember the days of equity borrowing and spending but we also remember the months at the end of Bush's term when we were losing 700,000 jobs per month. I also remember telling you that the Bush economy could not be sustained because it was based on imaginary equity.

Who funds the construction of roads, the interstate system, water systems, sewer systems, electric grids, airports, etc in any given year?
Government.
#71 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

WRONG! They are paid for by taxpayers. The funds come out of the private economy.

thread on back page...

and you also failed to mention the recession that he INHERITED and the economy diving after 9/11

and lets see...those numbers really began to rise oh..sometime around ...2006..
gee...did anything happen in that midterm election???????

Of course, Ray.

But, I'd hate for us to have to deal with private entities owning water, roads, etc. Anytime the for profit private sector gets in the business of utilites prices go up a lot regardless of oil costs. Look at what Enron did to California a few years back. Shut down capacity to up prices costing the state and consumers billions of dollars.

Myself, I'll go with public utilities and roads.

Yo Rusty, Chimpy's ownership society led to the sorriest economy since grampa Prescott was palling around with Hitler. Dumya inherited 4% unemployment and doubled it before he left, he inherited consecutive budget surpluses and left behind $1.3 trillion deficit. Heckuva job, Chimpy.

and YOU ignore the FACT that bush's deficit was 460 billion until tarp was passed and OBAMA VOTED YES,....and THATS where the trillion plus number comes from and you know that.
but nice deflection....

and what you also described was a economic cycle..
hell, IM economics challenged and I know that...hee hee

AND as I point out in my backpage thread..
obama now gives a billion and a half of the TARP democrat political slush fund to help harry reid and I bet that doesnt matter to you now does it.

I will read response later...

LUNCH!!!!!!!!

TODAY AT 5 est

beck at cpac

$1.3 trillion, Rusty. To transform a $100 billion surplus into a $ trillion plus deficit requires an economic retard of epic proportions and your boy Chimpy didn't shrink from the task. Bravo!!

But, I'd hate for us to have to deal with private entities owning water, roads, etc. Anytime the for profit private sector gets in the business of utilites prices go up a lot regardless of oil costs. Look at what Enron did to California a few years back. Shut down capacity to up prices costing the state and consumers billions of dollars. - AU

But consumer prices were fixed ie regulated and not allowed to fluctuate, can you understand how that might put things out of wack, and bankrrupt PG&E?

I guess you missed that in your talking point memo.

Myself, I'll go with public utilities and roads.
#79 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNIT

First things first. They won't do any good when people don't have jobs. It's one thing for government to build infrastructure from the surplus created in the private economy. But when they compete against the private economy, the destroy more jobs than they create.

Look at what Enron did to California a few years back. Shut down capacity to up prices costing the state and consumers billions of dollars.

California regulations prevented public utilities from raising prices to consumers, so they had no reason to cut energy consumption as Enron raised prices, putting a squeeze on the public utilities.

Your example only prove the necessity of competition to keep prices in balance with supply and demand. Government can't do that because they aren't dependent on customer patronage. They can always tax to make up deficits.

My example of price manipulation by Enron is well documented. It couldn't happen under the TVA.

TVA - which by the way generate much of their electricity from hydroelectric dams built under the WPA

My example of price manipulation by Enron is well documented. It couldn't happen under the TVA.
#86 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

Read more carefully. I wasn't defending Enron. The CEO, Ken Lay, had the political connections to get regulations changed his favor, despite impact it had on public utilities.

You should teach yourself to get in the habit of asking where does the money come from? The money to finance TVA came from other parts of the country, which in effect, raised their living costs. That's how TVA can charge below the market.

Who funds the construction of roads, the interstate system, water systems, sewer systems, electric grids, airports, etc in any given year?

Government.

#71 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

You are mixing horse turds and cow shit.

Roads - Feds, state, county, city, and private. Fed and state are funded by fuel taxes.

Water systems - City, county, and private. They are all paid for by user fees.

Sewer - City, and county. They are paid for by user fees.

Electric grid - PRIVATE

Airports - City, and county. Mostly paid for by landing and take-off fees.

Etc - Who the fuck knows?

Reminds me of the math problem:

We need to cut costs, so we're going to have to make an across the board 10% salary cut. But don't worry, we'll have a 10% raise in two months and you'll be even.

And of course, it isn't.

For the math impaired:

10% cut = 90%. Then 10% raise (of the 90%) means only 99% of the original salary.

Sort of the way gov't likes to use numbers to 'splain things away....

Unemployment Falls to 9.7%

Posted by AMERICANUNITY


RCADE, the jokes over, I think.

You really need to stop making fun of AU and the ObamaBots.

This is the 3rd time you're posting this on the Front Page.

Comments are closed for this entry.


Drudge Retort

Home | News | Comments | User Blogs | Nooner | Back Page | RSS Feed | RSS Spec | DMCA Compliance | Copyright 2012 World Readable