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Friday, February 19, 2010

A University of Texas/Texas Tribune Poll survey shows that nearly a third of Texans believe humans and dinosaurs roamed the earth at the same time, and more than half disagree with the theory that humans developed from earlier species of animals.

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Interesting political spin:

Democrats (28 percent) are less likely than Republicans (47 percent) to think that humans have always existed in their present form and more likely (21 percent to 7 percent) to think humans have developed over millions of years without God's guidance. About the same percentages of Democrats and Republicans (40 and 36 percent, respectively) believe that evolution took place over time with God's guidance. Democrat Bill White's voters were the most likely to believe in evolution without a divine hand (33 percent); on the Republican side, by comparison, only 6 percent of Rick Perry's supporters were in that category.

Prindle says the results recall a line from comedian Lewis Black. "He did a standup routine a few years back in which he said that a significant proportion of the American people think that the 'The Flintstones' is a documentary," Prindle says. "Turns out he was right. Thirty percent of Texans agree that humans and dinosaurs lived on the earth at the same time."

Megalania, lizards about the size of Greyhound buses, lived in Australia until about ten-thousand years ago. That gave the humans there about thirty-thousand years of experience with them.

There are conifer trees currently in Australia belonging to a species thought extinct for 65 million years. They were dsicoverd about ten years ago.

The point being made is no one should make quite as big a joke over this dinsaur thing as they do. Relict species turn up with some frequency. Which necessarily means they co-exist with man.

This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

Megalania...

Are they considered dinosaurs?

conifer trees

Are they considered dinosaurs?

And when asked this question, how many of those nearly 33% were thinking of either of these examples? More specifically, how many respondents were really thinking about man running around with T-Rex?

"I believe human beings and fish can co-exist peacefully" - George W Bush

Megalania...

Are they considered dinosaurs?

No. Giant monitor lizards.

"Are they considered dinosaurs...."

Are sharks dinosaurs? They've were there with the dinos and now they're here. That's my point. My other point is this is so obvious being that snarky at someone for holding onto a variation of the idea is fairly silly.

T-Rex....All that's needed to puncture your bubble is for something the size of chicken to be found in Rhodesia.

Giant javelinas were considered extinct for 10,000 years. Them they found some. Being served as dinner in South American restaurants.

I must run in the wrong circles. Of the thousands of Texans I know, I doubt if a single one of them believe this. What are the odds?

Are sharks dinosaurs? They've were there with the dinos and now they're here.

You are saying the same species of shark exists today that existed when dinos were walking the earth? I believe you are referring to the megalodon which is no longer in existence.

What are the odds?

I don't know, but you can't blame a bias. The survey was conducted by UT.

I believe aligators and/or crocodiles are as they were several million years ago,

however I agree with the above that this is not what the 33% were refering to

i guess if i sat around drinking beer eating beef jerky and watching cartoons all day i'd probably inevitably stumble across the flintstones while drunk and believe the slim jim i was holding was from bronto-burger...

Same species of shark, different specied of shark? Not sure it matters. Anything we find that remotely resembles an apatosaur or pleisosaur will set the world back on it's heels.

Ever heard of the Spicer Sighting?

#3 | POSTED BY ZED

Not a bad point, Zed, but not a really good one either.
Megalania were not dinosaurs.
Not sure why you mention conifer trees or sharks, except to say that SOME species did exist along with dinosaurs and still exist today. And this is true.
I think the point is, man is NOT one of them.

Taxman's point is well-taken:
"And when asked this question, how many of those nearly 33% were thinking of either of these examples?"

Is it safe to assume that the respondents in question were thinking of Brontosaurus and Homo Sapiens? I think so.

That idea, in and of itself, is harmless, but the evidence indicates otherwise, overwhelmingly.
And in any case, this specific belief about dinosaurs and humans coexisting is more of a religious-based belief, isn't it?

I don't know, but you can't blame a bias.

I don't blame anything. I just wonder how I once again find myself a party to a most bizarre statistical fluke.

More a religous based belief? Probably so, in some factions. I think most Christians see the evolution thing as having little or no revelance to anything significant.

No, but it looks typically phony.

Mr & Mrs Spicer 1933 A huge animal, "the nearest thing to a prehistoric animal that I have ever seen" crossed the road in front of their car. This was the first long-neck sighting and may have inspired Alex Campbell's plesiosaur sightings. The Spicer sighting was almost certainly fraudulent, but may well have been the inspiration for the Nessie image we all love to believe in today. Suddenly, after this sighting, anyone who saw a single hump was barely newsworthy and exaggeration became the order of the day. Who's kidding who Mr Spicer? "

www.loch-ness.org

Zed, again, you are missing the point. When these Texans were asked this question, do you think they were thinking about dinosaurs like those in the movie "Jurassic Park" or were they thinking of Megladons and Megalania.

Of course there are Christians who believe the bohemoth in the bible was a dinosaur.

I just wonder how I once again find myself a party to a most bizarre statistical fluke.

Aren't you an atheist, or at least agnostic? That would explain a lot.

I just wonder how I once again find myself a party to a most bizarre statistical fluke.

Aren't you an atheist, or at least agnostic? That would explain a lot.

but you can't blame a bias. The survey was conducted by UT.

As I said, I don't, but you did bring it up. UT is a very, very liberal school in a very, very liberal city.

I'm an atheist. Are atheists more likely to find themselves in statistically improbably situations?

Texas = Stupid
Nothing but steers and queers, and you ain't no steer boy!

Nothing but steers and queers, and you ain't no steer boy!

I used to laugh at that one a lot, but after 1965, it started to get really old.

Are atheists more likely to find themselves in statistically improbably situations?

No, Mr. Obtuse, but I would imagine there aren't too many Christians who run around in your circle. It appears as though the majority of those who fall within the 33% were religious. And even many religious people still don't believe man and T-Rex played fetch on sunny afternoons.

UT is a very, very liberal school in a very, very liberal city.

Could you imagine the results if this were conducted in College Station? Talk about a town full of blockheads.

Or Waco.

No, Mr. Obtuse, but I would imagine there aren't too many Christians who run around in your circle

I would estimate that only one in fifteen people I know are atheist. I know for a fact no on in my family or extended family is except for my aunt Mary.

Wow, who'd have thunk it. Texans really are smarter than average.

www.drudge.com

www.drudge.com

www.answersingenesis.org

re: UT is a very, very liberal school...

In the sense that the UT curriculum is post-Enlightenment in most ways and has a biology department that is not wedded to 'Intelligent Design' yes, then by that definition UT is "very,very liberal".

Would you care to note a conservative university to compare to UT, or perhaps a "very,very" conservative school and state what you believe makes the difference? (That is, in what way are they different in practice that makes one very,very conservative and one very,very liberal?)

Conservative? Texas A & M, inventors of the 'Aggie Rubic's Cube'

"The Spicer sighting was almost certainly fradulent...."

Well, I suppose it could have been a fraud, But to be honest, very few have suggested that. Most efforts to debunk what the Spicers saw have focused on optical illusions.

There is a war being waged against eye-witness descriptions. It's a fascinating bias for several reasons, one of which being eye-witness is almost the only thing most of us have or can rely on to perceive and test reality.

I have no idea what the Spicers saw. I have no idea what on occasion between one and two-hundred people see in the great Loch at one time, save to state what they say: It was very big and very definitely alive.

Some of the most cruel debunkings of lake monster photos come from persons who, after laughing at the picture, go on to describe in great detail the animal THEY observed, sometimes at close quarters.

The Spicer story is strange, and ultimately unverifiable. But here's the one that puts goose-bumps on my arms---

A woman and her twelve-year-old-son were visiting a friend whose home sat very close to Loch Ness. They were all disturbed by a great roiling commotion in the water.

They ran around the house to the Loch itself and found themselves within a few yards of the Beast.

"We kept looking at it's head", remarked one witness. The animal is reputed to be intolerably ugly.

The twelve-year-old had been given a new fishing rod that very day, his birthday. He never used it, and even years after this event by report never wanted to go fishing again.

#18 | POSTED BY ZED
"More a religous based belief? Probably so, in some factions. I think most Christians see the evolution thing as having little or no revelance to anything significant."

Right. My point is that, while I'd say most Chrisiians don't believe in a 6000 year-old-world, for those that do, dinosaurs and man coexisted by default. For those that accept the traditional scientific view, the evidence shows the two not coexisting.

"MEDIA ADVISORY, Aug. 14 /Christian Newswire/ -- ChristiaNet.com, the world's largest Christian portal with twelve million monthly page loads, conducted a recent poll asking, "Is the Earth billions of years old?" Regardless the selection of "Yes", "No" or "Unsure", these Christian voters agreed that, "In the beginning God created..." "A point of confusion seems to be whether there is a gap of time between the beginning of universe and the creation of Adam", stated Bill Cooper, President of ChristiaNet.

Out of 797 polled, 43% believed the Earth is less than billions of years old. The vast majority of this group felt the Earth is between 6,000 and 12,000 years old."

www.christiannewswire.com

I'm an atheist. Are atheists more likely to find themselves in statistically improbably situations?

#24 | Posted by goatman at 2010-02-18 10:13 PM


Perhaps
this book will help answer your question.

Yes, my son, even I can have a sense of humor now and then.

-- GOD

Mrs. MAO: "JAK, why are you locked in the bathroom with the TV tuned to men's figure skating?"

Megalania, lizards about the size of Greyhound buses, lived in Australia until about ten-thousand years ago. That gave the humans there about thirty-thousand years of experience with them.

Link? Here's a link that says they went extinct 40,000 years ago.

en.wikipedia.org

The point being made is no one should make quite as big a joke over this dinsaur thing as they do. Relict species turn up with some frequency. Which necessarily means they co-exist with man.

So you give Bigfoot the possibility of being reality?

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2010-02-18 09:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

MAO: Because Johnny Weir is skating and there's a guy on the Drudge Retort who's a dead ringer for him.

JAK

Who's Johnny Weir? One of your favorite skaters? I'm not watching.

Apparently the Nazca indians had a run-in with a space robot affixed with a huge cannon and a gigantic samurai. So did the Zambians. The Incans left a statue of the giant Daimyo.

There is pottery which proves that humans prior to the birth of Jesus knew what a stegosaurus and brontosaurus looked like fully fleshed and liked to depict them wearing leashes.

There is also evidence of tiny hominids existing within the last 100 years.

We've uncovered evidence of pre-Deluvian civilizations that may date back 80,000 years as the Veda suggests.

Most of what we "know" is severely limited and completely absent of context prior to 6,000 years.

Pic1, Pic2

This spectacular fossil footprint was found in July of 2000 by amateur archaeologist, Alvis Delk of Stephenville, Texas and is now on display at the Creation Evidence Museum, Glen Rose, TX. Mr. Delk found the loose slab against the bank of the Paluxy River, about one mile north of Dinosaur Valley State Park. He flipped over the rock and saw an excellent dinosaur track, so he took it home where it sat in his living room for years, with hundreds of other fossils.

Early in 2008 he had a devastating accident. He fell off of a roof incurring damage that required months of hospitalization. He still has a dangerous blood clot in his brain. When he returned to his home, he decided he would sell the dinosaur track, thinking Dr. Carl Baugh of the nearby Creation Evidence Museum would pay a few hundred dollars for it. He began to clean the rock, and that was when he discovered the fossil human footprint underneath the dried clay! The human footprint had been made first, and shortly thereafter (before the mud turned to stone), a dinosaur stepped in the mud with its middle toe stepping on top of the human track. You can actually see the displaced mud from the dinosaur's middle toe inside the human footprint. Spiral CT scans are used to generate images of the inside of an object from a large series of two-dimensional X-ray images taken around a single axis of rotation. This technology provides an effective means of analyzing fossil footprints without physically destroying them. It allows us to see inside the rock, specifically, under the footprint.

The slab was taken to the Glen Rose medical center where spiral CT scans were performed on the rock. Over 800 X-ray images document density changes within the rock that correspond precisely with the fossil footprints. Of course, carvings would show no corresponding structures beneath them. The existence of following contours beneath the fossil footprints dramatically demonstrate the authenticity of both tracks.

According to evolutionary theory, the dinosaur tracks at Glen Rose, TX were made at least 100 million years before humans were supposed to have evolved. Of course dinosaurs and humans cannot be stepping in each other's footprint if they are millions of year apart. These footprints provide profound evidence refuting the evolutionary myth. Of course, evolutionists do everything they can to refute findings like these, I guess simply because it doesn't agree with their religion. How much better would their time be spent seriously looking into all of the archaeological finds around them, instead of discounting them.

Precambrian Trilobites are supposed to be separated from man by millions of years, yet fossils appear in "recent" strata and even within a fossil sandal print. There are thousands of fossils that are "out of order" and even sophisticated man-made artifacts in "ancient" rock. There are fossil clams on the highest mountains and human tracks in supposed ancient layers of volcanic ash.

Incidentally, I don't "refute the evolutionary myth", but find information like this valuable, even if the interpretation is questionable.

To too many people the question "do you believe man evolved from another species?" translates into "Is the bible a lie?"

An inability to make room in one's head fer both the metaphor of Genesis and the reality of biology is at the heart of these disquieting statistics.

Be Well.

Nearly 1/3 Of Texans Believe Humans & Dinosaurs Coexisted

It's all true and here's proof!

It's all true and here's proof!

That calls for a totally gratuitous pic of Rachel Welch in a fur bikini.

Yum!

Be Well.

Robert Byrd, Strom Thurmond, and Jesse Helms.

I've shared this earth with dinosaurs.

The link BOB supplied to Wikipedia, it's incorrect. But it's Wikipedia. No, matter---People also got to see it at 40,000 years.

Bigfoot a relict species? Not in the sense that we really know it was there and then we know it's there again.

Possibility of Bigfoot? Yes.

Evolution can't apply to all things. Look at Congress.

#45 | Posted by dethspud at 2010-02-19 04:23 AM | Reply | Flag

To too many people the question "do you believe man evolved from another species?" translates into "Is the bible a lie?"

An inability to make room in one's head fer both the metaphor of Genesis and the reality of biology is at the heart of these disquieting statistics.

Very subtle to slip in the lie in after a little truth.

The link BOB supplied to Wikipedia, it's incorrect. But it's Wikipedia. No, matter---People also got to see it at 40,000 years.

Let's see your link. That's how it's done. Megalania was not considered a dinosaur, and neither are sharks. If you find a dinosaur fossil in the same strata as a human fossil, you will have a point.

Bigfoot a relict species? Not in the sense that we really know it was there and then we know it's there again.

Gigantopithecus

images.google.com

#49 | Posted by Zed at 2010-02-19 07:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

Given the literal words of the Bible, it is logical that people in the bible belt would believe humans and dinosaurs co-existed. If a person believes dinosaurs once existed, and if a person believes that the planet is only six thousand years old, it make logical sense to conclude humans and dinosaurs must have coexisted at some point. It is only if a person rejects the literal meaning of the bible does it become credible to believe dinosaurs preceded the advent of humanity by 65 million years.

The point is, this is really is just another way of making fun of peoples' ignorance due to their religious beliefs.

8 out of 10 Democrats think Obama is a fiscal conservative. 7 out of 10 think he is doing a good job.....

Which group is more deluded ..the Texans or the Dems?

Given the economic clusterfuck President Obama inherited from the Texas Cabal under GWB... Who do the Texans have to blame?

rCade is this your change in the headline? The fractions police. Can't say 1/3 when it's 3/10? The horror. Whatever the margin, Texans have proven smarter on average i.e. seen through the secular humanist globalist takeover of the educational system.

Which group is more deluded ..the Texans or the Dems?

#54 | Posted by foshaffer at 2010-02-19 04:09 PM | Reply | Flag: Deluded

Texans

Which group is more deluded ..the Texans or the Dems?

#54 | Posted by foshaffer

Texans

Anyone at all honestly beg to differ?

Democrats ... more likely (21 percent to 7 percent) to think humans have developed over millions of years without God's guidance.

So only one in five Democrats has a fucking brain in his or her head, evolutionarily speaking. That's not really something to be proud of.

And still, people say Democrats are "liberals."

Were the American political scene not unraveling before our eyes, it would be well beyond the imagination of the most absurdist French nihilist playwright.

"Are they considered dinosaurs...."

The point being made is that if remnant populations of other prehistoric species are still being discovered today then it isn't so far fetched that a remnant population of disnosaurs can turn up somewhere. You don't need an example of a dinosaur coexisting with humans to make that point. In fact, such an example would make that point, well pointless.

If you include the Komodo dragon and other dinosaurs left over from the age of dinosaurs then 7 out of 10 Texans are wrong as well as 100% of pussy libs.

you can't blame a bias. The survey was conducted by UT.

Yeah, a bunch of university folk would never be biased. LOOOOL.

"Coexisted," not "coexist today."

That "coexisted" means "coexisted during the time of the dinosaurs" not "coexisted last Tuesday" should be obvious to... never mind.

Don't Mess With Texas!

3 in 10 Texans are wrong about that....they probably also believe in global warming...

"If you include the Komodo dragon and other dinosaurs left over from the age of dinosaurs then 7 out of 10 Texans are wrong as well as 100% of pussy libs."

LOL. Komodo dragons are not dinosaurs.

Out of curiousity, what are the "others"?

Komodo dragons are not dinosaurs....Birds pretty much are, though....

I guess a 33% ignorance rate isn't all that bad, for Texas.

I'd be interested to see what a State by State comparison results would be.

"The point is, this is really is just another way of making fun of peoples' ignorance due to their religious beliefs.
#53 | Posted by moder8"

And you have to admit, it is fun. Especially watching Zed spin on behalf of fundamentalist Christians and Goatman on behalf of Texans.

"If you include the Komodo dragon and other dinosaurs left over from the age of dinosaurs then 7 out of 10 Texans are wrong as well as 100% of pussy libs.
#61 | Posted by fwthom"

More evidence that fwthom is the dumbest DR poster.

There is more proof of the coexistence of humans and "dinosaurs" in the fossil records than there is proof of anthropological global warming. Yet may more than 3 in 10 liberals believe in the latter.

Also every crackpot theory, from Elvis being alive to the Moon landing hoax are more strongly held by our liberal blue state friends.

Let's be thankful that 7-in-10 Texans don't have that issue...

#51 | POSTED BY L_RCONTRARIAN
"An inability to make room in one's head fer both the metaphor of Genesis and the reality of biology is at the heart of these disquieting statistics."

You: preacher.
Me: choir.

The key word here is METAPHOR.
Not sure why that's such an obstacle for some.

i'm not so sure that this statistic is limited to texans.

#70 | POSTED BY DINSEY
"There is more proof of the coexistence of humans and "dinosaurs" in the fossil records than there is proof of anthropological global warming. Yet may more than 3 in 10 liberals believe in the latter."

I think you meant to say anthropoGENIC global warming, not anthropological.

Also, "proof" and "evidence" are two different things.

There is zero "proof" of human and dinosaurs coexisting.
Is there evidence for it? I'd love to see it.

There is a mountain of evidence, however, that humans did not exist until around 200K BC, whereas dinosaurs were all but completely extinct around 65 million years ago.

Might we find exceptions here and there?
Possibly. In fact, I'd love it!
But thus far, we don't have any real evidence, and Genesis doesn't count.

There is plenty of evidence for AGW, but not all of it is compelling or complete.
There's also evidence against AGW. Again, not all compelling or complete.
There is no real "proof" either way, to my knowledge.

And as far as "liberals" believing it, what does the "climate" care about politics?
Plenty on the left believe in AGW for political reasons, I'll grant you that.
Plenty on the right deny it for political reasons, though, as well.
There's evidence for both arguments, and the evidence doesn't give a damn about politics or policy.

#69 | POSTED BY MONTECORE
"More evidence that fwthom is the dumbest DR poster."

Maybe so, but at this point it's all really just overkill, isn't it?

Birds pretty much are, though....

#66 | Posted by jonryker

No, they are birds. Now perhaps (PERHAPS!) they can be traced genetically back in a direct line to dinosaurs but they are NOT dinosaurs. They are a completely different species.

I hope this is not what you are teaching to your 8th graders.

Anyone at all honestly beg to differ?

#58 | Posted by moder8 at 2010-02-19 04:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Texas is the envy of the nation when it comes to balancing its checkbook.

The state government is sitting on an $11 billion surplus and Rep. Dan Branch of Dallas (R) said he knows why.

"The strong oil and gas sector has bolstered our sales tax revenues as well as production tax revenues," said Branch. "These revenues along with lower property tax rates, reasonable regulation and strong job growth have created a significant surplus while over 35 states, most with state income taxes, are running deficits."

The fact that Texas has no income tax makes its current condition even more impressive to outsiders.

Consider that California's budget gap is now at $16 billion and the state is considering federal bailout options.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is also faced with the fact that he's going to have to do something he's vowed not to: Raise taxes.

Branch said that won't be a problem here.

"Our state taxes its residents less than any large state and the legislature has been careful to reduce spending to within population growth and inflation rates."

I think so yes. TX does it better than 35 other states for sure. So stick it nimrod.

Depending on how the word "dinosaur" is defined, given the existence of people such as ElCid and FTW maybe it is true that they still walk among us...

"Also every crackpot theory, from Elvis being alive to the Moon landing hoax are more strongly held by our liberal blue state friends.
#70 | Posted by Dinsey"

Wrong. Examples:

1. Humans and dinosaurs co-existed.
2. Iraq was involved in the 9/11 attack.
3. A dude named Noah built an ark that held two of every living creature.
4. Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
5. Reagan was a hero.

"Maybe so, but at this point it's all really just overkill, isn't it?
#75 | Posted by TheTom"

Perhaps. But I'm sure you would agree that in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king?

Whatever the margin, Texans have proven smarter on average i.e. seen through the secular humanist globalist takeover of the educational system.

#56 | Posted by L_RContrarian

yeah... I love how they are trying to revise history to suit their particular religious belief system with a complete disregard for reality...so very VERY CLEVER of them! I am sure that won't backfire on them at all.

With childlike glee, McLeroy flipped through the pages and explained what he saw as the gaping holes in Darwin's theory. "I don't care what the educational political lobby and their allies on the left say," he declared at one point. "Evolution is hooey." This bled into a rant about American history. "The secular humanists may argue that we are a secular nation," McLeroy said, jabbing his finger in the air for emphasis. "But we are a Christian nation founded on Christian principles. The way I evaluate history textbooks is first I see how they cover Christianity and Israel. Then I see how they treat Ronald Reaganhe needs to get credit for saving the world from communism and for the good economy over the last twenty years because he lowered taxes."

www.washingtonmonthly.com

Of course dinosaurs roamed with humans in Texas... remember Lyndon Johnson?

I think so yes. TX does it better than 35 other states for sure. So stick it nimrod.

#77 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

Not on SAT scores. They rank 47th. On percentage of population with a high school diploma or better, they rank 50th. You know what that means, Cid? That means last. That means Texas is the most uneducated state in the country. Sorry about that.

"they rank 50th. You know what that means, Cid? That means last."

www.youtube.com

According to your Grand Ayatollah, that would mean they are above 8 other states. So much for intelligence. 58 states total, been to 57 with one left to go, hasn't been to Hawaii or Alaska. This dude has some serious math issues. How's that Harvard and Columbia education holding up?

#84 | Posted by SpokaneJim

I hear there's nothing in Spokane except steers and queers, Jimmy. Is that true?

#80 | POSTED BY MONTECORE
"Perhaps. But I'm sure you would agree that in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king?"

Ah yes, but unfortunately for the one-eyed man in question, he's NOT in the land of the blind.
(Except maybe in his own view.)

Birds pretty much are, though....

#66 | Posted by jonryker

No, they are birds. Now perhaps (PERHAPS!) they can be traced genetically back in a direct line to dinosaurs but they are NOT dinosaurs. They are a completely different species.

I hope this is not what you are teaching to your 8th graders.

And T-Rex is T-rex, but its still a dinosaur...

Birds were named birds before paleontologists figured out they were dinosaurs...the most recent form of raptors.....dinosaurs evolved both feathers and flight....birds are the more recent form....

This isn't controversial anywhere in the paleontological community.....I know, you don't know it....can't say I'm surprised....

#85 | Posted by nullifidian

I guess if you come and visit there will be at least one fucked up queer. Other than than I couldn't say. Any actual argument, or are you just acting as your usual dickless wonder today? See if you can get those last two brain cells working and squeeze out a coherent thought or two.

#88 | Posted by SpokaneJim at 2010-02-19 07:11 PM |

Stop ducking the question, Jimmy. Steers or queers?

#66 | POSTED BY JONRYKER
"Birds pretty much are [dinosaurs]."

Well, pretty much related to them, or descended from them.
And this is accepted in the scientific community.

Thing is, when asked if they thought dinosaurs and humans coexisted, I doubt the respondents were thinking of birds when they answered.

"Well, birds are pretty much dinosaurs, and there's a bird right over there, so I'll go with YES."

Now that I think about it.....what if that's what really happened?
That would seriously skew the data...

"Birds pretty much are [dinosaurs]."

Well, pretty much related to them, or descended from them.
And this is accepted in the scientific community.

Thing is, when asked if they thought dinosaurs and humans coexisted, I doubt the respondents were thinking of birds when they answered.

"Well, birds are pretty much dinosaurs, and there's a bird right over there, so I'll go with YES."

Well, we really don't know, do we? I was just adding to somebody's idea that Komodo dragons were dinosaurs, which they are not....There were thousands of species of dinosaur over the 150 million years of their classic existence....birds were just one of them.....it just so happens that paleontologists didn't know this until the last 5 or 6 years....they're no less dinosaur than the other thousands of dinosaur species....dinosaurs aren't a species, they are a large cluster of species, and a subcluster of them are birds.....and yes, to answer the earlier question...I have taught that to 8th graders...they didn't seem to find it so troubling, once shown the evidence....

#36 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

Interesting...at the end of the article you linked, there is an Evolution Quiz: www.christianet.com

What's question 2?
"The theory of evolution really exists to disprove that there is a God.
The correct answer is True."

The Biblical evidence they give?
"2 Peter 2:1 - But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction."

That's just bad staff work.

Question 5?
"5. Evolution teaches that rain existed before man, and Scripture supports this theory.
The correct answer is False.

Genesis 2:5 - And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."

So, because Genesis 2:5 says it, there was no rain before man, unlike what that pesky theory of evolution would have us think....

Wait, did I say pesky? I meant "damnable heresy".

idiots

of course the dinosaurs and man coexisted. this was proven by 'the flintstones.'

Christians are idiots. Every single day this gets proven over and over again.

Redlighrobot fell for the old Glen Rose hoax:
However, these anachronistic "human" footprints have been determined to be mistaken interpretation and even some outright fakes.[2] The family of the original man, George Adams, who made the claims, later admitted it was a hoax.

Hey, Redkightrobot, are you ignorant or just doing satire, do you love the "lie for Jesus" crowd?

The only dinosaur that walked the earth witht he Pre-Christians of 4000 b.c. was the infamous Moronosaurus.

Am I the only one who wonders where the other pictures of Dinosaur prints and Human footprints are? Or the urial grounds with Dinosaur Tooth necklaces and human bones? Of the 6000 year old Mummies with bits of digested Brontosaurus petrified in their bellies.

So much nonsense, so little time...

" so little time..."

Less and less, too ...

"Biocide is occurring at an alarming rate. Experts say that at least half of the world's current species will be completely gone by the end of the century. Wild plant-life is also disappearing. Most biologists say that we are in the midst of an anthropogenic mass extinction."

www.dailygalaxy.com

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hey! LOOK!

Zat posts the same "Hockey Stick" graph that mimics the faked "Hockey Stick" graph!!!

Looks to me as if the "data" is restricted to 1900 forward ...

You'll notice, also, that this article doesn't make any attempt to support its hysterical conclusions ... something Zat *always* demands of those who disagree with him.

Isn't that convenient for Zat's humor over "mass extinction"?

Seems to me that Zat is one of those dimwits who actually want worldwide catastrophe and extinction ... so that this dimbo can be "correct" ...

Talk about egocentric!

#99 | POSTED BY ZATOICHI

Zat, never trust a quote that begins with "experts say", or any of it's derivatives.

And maybe ease up on the HAHAHAs a bit?
I mean, a couple HAs would do the trick, right?
It really doesn't make your argument any stronger or more coherent.
Besides, is "biocide" really something to cackle about?

Are sharks dinosaurs? They've were there with the dinos and now they're here.

No. They (and things like crocodiles) are extremely successful lineages that haven't undergone tremendous morphological change in tens of millions of years. But they're not dinosaurs.

We're talking about people who think that life a few thousand years ago was something like Jurassic Park without the Jeeps. These people are not concerned with the evolutionary history of crocodilians or cartilagenous fish. They're only interested in maintaining their blissful ignorance of scientific fact. A sizable chunk of the US Christian population is stupid as fuck and perfectly content to remain that way. Zed doesn't want to admit it. Plain and simple.

Zed, you are wasting your time standing in defense of these ignorant fools... are you perhaps standing in your own defense as well?

Saturday, Feb. 20, 2010

Nearly half of primate species face risk of extinction: study
Kyodo News

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And for Zombiehunter: www.deadlantern.com

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"ZED, you are wasting your time in defense of these ignorant fools...."

The vast majority are neither ignorant or fools. At most, some of them have mistaken ideas. Regardless, I feel as much responsibility to defend fools of their stripe as I have fools of yours.

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Nearly half of primate species face risk of extinction: study
Kyodo News
#103 | POSTED BY ZATOICHI

Now I understand why the years of HAHAs HOHOs. Happy extinction monkey boy. In primatese: HAHAHAHA.

I disagree don't think dinosaurs would have allowed humans to walk alongside them like in the Flintstones , but the transformation of human from a animal is something every one can argue about and i somewhat believe in it too. Acai

GIGANTOPITHECUS is just a candidate for Bigfoot. We won't know he was Bigfoot until a current version drives in somewhere and orders a Big Mac.

Ah, DUMPLING---Speaking of relict species.

here's a neat story on this (in comic form so even FWTHOM can understand:
scienceblogs.com

I don't know what you leftists are whining about - it is the "educational" system created by the Federal government, and ever since the politicians started redistributing "wealth" to incompetent, union "teachers" who literally cannot be fired unless caught actually punking some boy or girl student!]

No wonder the future of America is a dumbed-down collective of socialist swine ... yearning for their independence from family ... so they can go on the public dole ...

That's the collectivist ideal ... have the government provide for you and all you have to do is vote: DEMOCRAT!

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TADOWE is projecting again. You certainly make one thing clear, very clear, You are an asshole! Keep on projecting though, it's good for a laugh!

"A University of Texas/Texas Tribune Poll survey shows that nearly a third of Texans believe humans and dinosaurs roamed the earth at the same time"

A University of Texas survey in 1998 showed that nearly a fourth of Texas BIOLOGY TEACHERS believe humans and dinosaurs roamed the earth at the same time.

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#110 | POSTED BY TADOWE
"No wonder the future of America is a dumbed-down collective of socialist swine ... yearning for their independence from family ... so they can go on the public dole ..."

You'll recall this article is about people honestly believing that man and Brontosaurus coexisted?

Are the "socialist" union teachers teaching them this?
How would that be important to socialism?
How is paleotology "leftist"?
What does political ideology have to do with it?

If you're speaking of "dumbed down", where's your venom for those who believe that man and Brontosaurus coexisted, based on nothing more than a misinterpretation of Biblical metaphor?

Thetom whines, "You'll recall this article is about people honestly believing that man and Brontosaurus coexisted?"

You're the one that first mentioned Bronotosaurus to mock the idea of coexistence.

Besides that, here is your comment, immediately after mine you criticise:

"Zat, never trust a quote that begins with "experts say", or any of it's derivatives. And maybe ease up on the HAHAHAs a bit? I mean, a couple HAs would do the trick, right? It really doesn't make your argument any stronger or more coherent. Besides, is "biocide" really something to cackle about?"
#101 | Posted by TheTom at 2010-02-20 02:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Aren't you being a bit unconscious in your urge to stalk me, hypocrite?

Thetom pretends to ask some questions, "Are the "socialist" union teachers teaching them this?"

They aren't teaching them "this", and since the fear that discussing *any* indication that mankind could have coexisted with dinosaurs dimishes their claim that only cold blooded species existed during the era of dinosaurs, or if any did they were "cross-over" mouselike vermin preying on the heroically sized dinos ... kind of like scarabs to dung image ...

The fossilised imprints of both a warm blooded, apparently hominid footprint, with a dinosaur scares them to death! They think it will "mislead" those who are already religiously inclined and gain belief from those who aren't. This fear forces the consensus, union of teachers to completely ignore any "teaching" in relation to any evidence; however circumstantially explained; which they think will influence understanding of individuals.

The socialists must indoctrinate, not educate. Their collective consensus will not be subject to any individual arguments from teaching. That's in order that no collective agreement against their indoctrination should evolve.

"How would that be important to socialism?"

Because indoctrinating the collective is more important than educating the individual, because the state is to be considered more important than the individual.

"How is paleotology "leftist"?"

Why do you infer it is?

"What does political ideology have to do with it?"

Now, you are playing to the abstractly disadvantaged.

"If you're speaking of "dumbed down", where's your venom for those who believe that man and Brontosaurus coexisted, based on nothing more than a misinterpretation of Biblical metaphor?"

I'm certainly not out to bash belief, except when it is being used to lie, mock and misrepresent individuals and groups to gain votes for socialist imperative and evolution into the f'ing Wall of Bricks you petty tyrants dictate it as being ...

Not that that is your motive, which I think is a well entrenched obsession with me, personally. Flattering, I suppose, in a left-handed way ... a neurotic shadow ...

Why do so many modern christian religions cling to genesis as absolute fact and then completely ignore the rest of the old testament? They don't keep ANY of the clearly defined laws of the old testament! They don't mind flipping back to the old testament when they can use it as an argument but the rest of it they trash like old fast food wrappers!

tadowe, you are a joke!

the "evidence" you cite is a joke

teachers are not scared to give students the best scientific informantion possible, they are scared of STUPID people like you taking over the education system and forcing them to teach things they know are not true!!

Flattering, I suppose, in a left-handed way ... a neurotic shadow...

Gay solicitation of right wing gays who are liberal gays.

'The fossilised imprints of both a warm blooded, apparently hominid footprint, with a dinosaur scares them to death!'

Hey asshole, stop projecting, no one is scared of your ignorance, that foot print story is a joke, even the guy who started it said it's a hoax. Catch up will you, or stay in your ignorant and myopic world and tell us we are scared, Asshole. Do what wingers are great at, Projecting. Teach your kids that crap so they can fail! (that is child abuse)

most creationist have abandoned the silly footprint story!

"However, initial critical work in the early 1970's,[1] and more intensive scientific studies in recent years, have convincingly refuted the "man track" claims, and led to their abandonment even by most creationists. The alleged human tracks involve a variety of phenomena, including elongate dinosaur tracks, erosional features, indistinct markings of unknown origin, and a few carvings"

sure, people are scared!

Tyger says, "tadowe, you are a joke!"

You're new, aren't you? Since Pooh isn't here to give you an elbow in the ribs, I'll repeat: I enjoy being attacked, personally by those who don't reason their insults. You lose automatically, in debate, by doing so.

That's my stance, and you can debate or dehumanize as yours ... it's your decision whether you want to act out as a mensch, or a nazi wannabe.

"the "evidence" you cite is a joke"

See? The "evidence", as I explained is only circumstantial, easily explained, and it is readily available for individuals to see in popular media; print to video. Yet, the teaching unions actively (even militantly) ignore the "evidence" and actively refuse to discuss it, except by mocking it and those who ask about it. Although not a school per se, this site is a prime example of how those who wish to examine the "evidence" are treated; this contretemps specifically.

"teachers are not scared to give students the best scientific informantion possible, they are scared of STUPID people like you taking over the education system and forcing them to teach things they know are not true!!"

Some individual teachers allow the circumstantial evidence against general theory to be discussed, of course. However, this is about the collective of teachers, and who en mass mock such evidence, instead of use it engage interest and understanding.

Those teachers who act individually to explain why such evidence is merely specious and should not be used to form illogical and incorrect beliefs should be the icons of expertise for other teachers to follow. Instead, they are usually thought of as being "really" a rightwinger, Christian, conservative ... or shudder ... a Repug ... to the union of teachers.

I think I've reduced the argument to its basic level: The consensus of science *believes* that religious belief is a danger to their status and power and refuse to allow any circumstantial evidence to even be discussed; except to mock it into obscurity. That majority, the collective of science, inculcates that same intransigent belief, and modus operandi into teachers by the very act of mocking what they call specious evidence. This has become the "rule" to such a degree and with such zealousness in attack, that some individuals and groups are starting to wonder, "Doth the bitch of science consensus protest too much ...?"

I'm not a believer, either in religion or any consensus-of-science, and which is anti-scientific in being a collective of belief and faith in near religously worshipped theory. This quasi-religious consensus-of-science is a danger to the scientific method, because the circumstantial evidence remains UNEXPLAINED to students, and becoming its own consensus-against-science.

Teachers and "science" should practice the scientific method, observe ALL the evidence, derive theory, test theory and continue to gather ALL the evidence, as such. That isn't happening with teacher-union-indoctrination, and their emphasis on denying, not examining, ALL the evidence.

Go find Pooh and help him with the bees, honey.

VM provides an example for my contention, "Hey asshole, stop projecting, no one is scared of your ignorance, that foot print story is a joke, even the guy who started it said it's a hoax ... most creationist have abandoned the silly footprint story!"

See, Tyger? From the first I describe the evidence as circumstantial, and a tool to engage discussion.

Some "teachers" choose to revile the circumstantial evidence, and to mock those who even dare mention it in "their class". This example is the collective of union teachers, otherwise known as the "majority".

Other teachers might have begun this way, sans the mockery of inquiry and the one who inquired:

"However, initial critical work in the early 1970's,[1] and more intensive scientific studies in recent years, have convincingly refuted the "man track" claims, and led to their abandonment even by most creationists. The alleged human tracks involve a variety of phenomena, including elongate dinosaur tracks, erosional features, indistinct markings of unknown origin, and a few carvings"

See? Although this effort to teach through mockery had things reversed for debate (evidence first, mockery after as 'logical' conclusion), it would tend to convince students that the scientific method was correct in the idea that there were no apparently warm blooded creatures of simian appearance co-existing with dinosaurs ... no matter how late in Era some number of saurian species continued to live into the otherwise and distinctly margined zones dictated by the consensus of science.

The explanation, here, is itself ad hoc, and doesn't prove that some hominid didn't co-exist with some dinosaur-like remnant of the era science places them in ... indeed, there are quite a few such fossils which have been found in various parts of the world; some small of number of which have been verified as to age ... however much "erosion" you care to make out of them!

"sure, people are scared!"

The Scientific Method is a system of thought, not an icon to worship with theory as prophet ... at present, if not "scared" then why the objection(s) to including the "evidence" in curricula as an example to teach the scientific method? Don't answer, it is because LOTS of the science which has been taught must be abandoned as evidence which hasn't upheld theory, but rather ad hoc explanations created to support theory ...

... and both science and teaching lose face because of the institutional cowardice built up over the decades of teaching theory as fact and ignoring (at best) evidence disputing minor aspects of theory and, or ... shudder ... supporting the Bible!

Fear, indeed!

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