You leftys are the ones selectively using data to peddle your Cap and Trade scam

NO... we lefties haven't learned you can't reason with dittoheads.

Obama needs to learn the one great lesson of the Bush Administration.

Stay the Course.

And we don't 'round the corner' 112 times in a year like Iraq. That equaled going in circles for several years, something the Republicans are good at doing.

Global warming almost makes me as angry as that round earth scam. When I look out my window, the earth doesn't look curved. Case closed. Back to the drawing board scientists!

Obama needs to learn the one great lesson of the Bush Administration.

Stay the Course.
#2 | Posted by donnerboy

The one time Cheney and Bush looked even a little contrite was the day after the 2006 elections. They were FORCED to no longer 'Stay the Course', otherwise Rumsfeld would have stayed as Sec Def and we'd still be 'rounding corners'. Go around them enough times and they wear down to a circle.

MARKH

Yeah, finally, the country has figured out what a scam it is, and that it has cost them trillions of dollars and they have nothing to show for it.

You leftys can take your global warming and shove it where the sun would'nt shine.

The back lash for this scam will be ugly.

Global warming almost makes me as angry as that round earth scam.

And look at that... it's snowing here in February! That proves it that Global Warming is just a "lefty scam"!

he just needs to explain
stuff better to us plain folks

#5 | Posted by markh

hmmm Obama may be one of the most articulate Presidents I have ever heard.

Maybe you should start listening to him instead of trying to shout him down or accusing him of being the Manchurian Candidate?

Al Gore should be incarcerated and striped of the hundreds of millions he has "pick pocketed" from the public in this scam.

Luckily, it looks like the wheels are falling off this folly just before the cap & tax charade was jammed down our throats.

Barry and his crew will continue to push ahead because the left sees this as a way to dismantle capitalism and grab additional power. As the voters/taxpayers see the light, this will lead to the demise of "The Chicago Clans" reign of terror over us.

C'mon Novermber!!

Who is the ditto head? I don't listen to Rush

Maybe you should start listening to him instead of trying to shout him down or accusing him of being the Manchurian Candidate?

#9 | Posted by donnerboy

I'm not gonna say "I told ya so" regarding the Obama gang - - -
some of y'all are just wired different . . . guys like you that will create the next Madoff just as PT Barnum predicted

You deniers are fucking idiots. No amount of data or reality will convince you otherwise.

Actually,

It shows that the people behind "Climate Change" scares are more concerned with making their case rather than following where the science leads.

They have done a great disservice to Science. And to honest scientists around the world.

Al Gore should be incarcerated and striped of the hundreds of millions he has "pick pocketed" from the public in this scam.

Just exactly how did Al Gore "pick pocket" one thin dime from the public?

You need a shrink before you go postal for no reason at all.

At any rate, it's becoming a non issue to me. Time is on my side, yes it is. You all know the rest of the tune.

You deniers are fucking idiots. No amount of data or reality will convince you otherwise.

#13 | Posted by Legio

a) Legio has alot of dough invested in carbon credits

b) Legio is correct to be afraid that the "climate carbon credit pyramid" is soon to run out of other people's money

You deniers are fucking idiots. No amount of data or reality will convince you otherwise.

Ouch....someone needs a hug...

No one denies that the climate is changing. Hundreds of thousands of years ago, America was covered by a glacier a half mile thick.

Answer me this, what is the "correct" temp for Chigago, NYC or LA?

These overblown assertions of cataclismic world carnage is what us "deniers" are worried about.

The left always views "mankind as the problem."
We all do our share to be kind to the planet but the left wants an end to capitalism so they can atempt to manufacture this unatainable utopian dream which is progresive speak for "redistribution of wealth."

"Just exactly how did Al Gore "pick pocket" one thin dime from the public?"
#15 | Posted by RingMaster

"Gore, self-proclaimed Patron Saint of the Environment, buys his carbon off-sets from himselfthe Generation Investment Management LLP, "an independent, private, owner-managed partnership established in 2004 with offices in London and Washington, D.C., of which he is both chairman and founding partner. The Generation Investment Management business has considerable influence over the major carbon credit trading firms that currently exist, including the Chicago Climate Exchange....

the future author of "An Inconvenient Truth" travelled to Fall River, Massachusetts, to deliver a green sermon at the headquarters of Molten Metal Technology Inc. (MMTI). MMTI was a firm that proclaimed to have invented a process for recycling metals from waste. Gore praised the Molten Metal firm as a pioneer in the kind of innovative technology that can save the environment, and make money for investors at the same time....

the company had received more than $25 million in U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) research and development grants, but had failed to prove that the technology worked on a commercial scale. The company would go on to receive another $8 million in federal taxpayers' cash, at that point, its only source of revenue....

With Al Gore's Earth Day as a Wall Street calling card, Molten Metal's stock value soared to $35 a share, a range it maintained through October 1996. But along the way, DOE scientists had balked at further funding....

Does that mean global warming is a Massachusetts pussy that over exaggerates what it does and can't fight back and tries to be a Kennedy but falls light years short? Cool, I'm a little less worried about global warming...

"Climate Change is Being Swift-Boated"

As it should be. The shenanigans of the last year have proven to me that their theories were full of holes. So much so that they had to change the name from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change". For those of you who still believe the scam, please know that our weather patterns are cyclical. It always has been that way, and it always will be that way. We have periods of warming, then we have periods of cooling, and then it repeats itself. It's really that simple.

#20 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2010-02-18 10:13 PM | Reply | Flag: thinks Newsweek is a scientific journal

"We have periods of warming, then we have periods of cooling, and then it repeats itself. It's really that simple."

But in reality, you really don't have any idea about what your are talking about. The truth probably is though that you don't know anything about the topic. That is not to say that the global warming folks are necessarily right but only to say that many or most of their opponents do so with no knowledge of anything to base their opinions on. We have arrived at a point where right wing partisans will stridently support or oppose anything regardless if they know anything what so ever about it or not.

Doc,

"We all do our share to be kind to the planet but the left wants an end to capitalism"

And there lies the problem.

Your argument is that being environmentally conscience is anti-capitalism.

Actually, it actually costs money for a company to put in "green" technology.

That money would be spent in the marketplace as goods and services.

It is in our best interest to be concerned about the condition of this earth. Being concerned about environmental issues is the right thing to do for so many reasons. You are correct that there are always climate changes going on. The question is whether or not man is making those changes occur faster and are those changes going to make it harder for people in the future. What can we do today? What should we do today? Something? Nothing?

I would say to you, stop thinking about just yourself and think about the people who will inhabit this planet 100 years from now.

You are correct about one thing, though.

I wouldn't mind seeing an end of YOUR version of capitalism.

Excessive greed and a lack of concern for others.

Instrumental record:

Answer me this, what is the "correct" temp for Chigago, NYC or LA?

#17 | Posted by Docsmooth

IF it is presumed that mankind can indeed steer global temperatures - -

a) the temps of Chi, NYC, and LA would be irrelevant

b) only temps in Beijing, Shenyang, and Yinchuan would be relevant

it's simple math - - China's population would have 1.5 BILLION temperature votes to the USA's paltry 330 million . . .

how'd I do, smooth?

Melting ice also means more fresh water in the ocean, which could flood into the North Atlantic and disrupt a global system of currents, known as the Ocean Conveyor.

I saw the movie. It was great.

You deniers are fucking idiots. No amount of data or reality will convince you otherwise.

#13 | POSTED BY LEGIO AT 2010-02-18 09:01 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Not idiots. We just see through your GW magic act. Your act is becoming so transparent it is laughable. When you guys choose to only look at the data which supports your preconceived conclusions and totally ignore the data that doesn't you lose all credibility. You point to warm temps at the Olympics as say that's proof and at the same time ignore that it snowed in all 50 states the same day and say that that proves nothing. You guys do the same with all your scientific data. It is also worh noting that you GW scientists get grants for the sole purpose of proving global warming and then Abracadabra you come up withyour proof and another grant.

BPH-
re: It is also worh noting that you GW scientists get grants for the sole purpose of proving global warming and then Abracadabra you come up withyour proof and another grant.

No, that's not how it works.

Shame how a lie is destroyed by the truth.

One give-away is watching which side spends its time trying to silence the other

One give-away is watching which side spends its time trying to silence the other

#31 | Posted by Dinsey at 2010-02-18 11:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Criticizing faulty methodology published in a peer-reviewed journal is not an attempt to "silence the other", especially when it is true that such methodology was faulty.

One give-away is watching which side spends its time trying to silence the other

#31 | Posted by Dinsey at 2010-02-18 11:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Actually, the "give-away" is watching one side claim that a harsh winter storm on a fraction of one percent of the earth's surface over a period of weeks is "proof" that global warming is a euro-socialist hoax designed to make Rush Limbaugh look stupid.

No, that's not how it works.

Yes, that's exactly how it works.

#22 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2010-02-18 10:22 PM | Reply | Flag: needs to re-familiarize himself with the concept of causality when using links he intends to be authoritative "proof" of his hypothesis

watching one side claim that a harsh winter storm on a fraction of one percent of the earth's surface over a period of weeks is "proof"

As opposed to watching a bunch of self-admitted hacks selectively feed proxy evidence-acquired variables into computer models to solicit the desired outcome.

Answer me this, what is the "correct" temp for Chigago, NYC or LA?

What is the "correct" concentration of atmospheric CO2?

What is the "correct" pH of the oceans?

jak = imbecile.

Actually, the "give-away" is watching one side claim that a harsh winter storm on a fraction of one percent of the earth's surface over a period of weeks is "proof" that global warming is a euro-socialist hoax designed to make Rush Limbaugh look stupid.

#33 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-18 11:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Apparently that is 'how it works'.

But, of course, I should defer to the opinion of one with a degree in ....um....what was it, CASNR, or something? Ya' know, the "science" degree in that you can get without any math beyond high school algebra.

Just out of curiosity - in that field of "science" - if you do any real independent research at all - your funding is predetermined by what outcome you predict? Is that how it works in, um, CASNR?

As opposed to watching a bunch of self-admitted hacks selectively feed proxy evidence-acquired variables into computer models to solicit the desired outcome.

#36 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2010-02-19 12:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

Dude, every major independent climate research institution on the planet has come to the same conclusion, with minor variations:

The long-term statistical warming trend over the last half-century or so is not driven by possible natural variables (the output from the sun, e.g.), and is most likely driven by human activity, and is most likely to continue unless addressed.

I can see how an honest broker might disagree, with great merit, on the possible solutions to the clear problem, but to claim that global warming is a "hoax" cooked up by commie scientists is tinfoil hat territory, and clearly driven by the paranoid ideology of someone with a personal or political axe to grind, or the profit motive of someone with a riding bet.

Apparently that is 'how it works'.

Its only apparent to somebody who doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about.

Like you.

If you create a "centre" to study something, its extremely important you do what you must too ensure that "something" remains relevant.

Even if it means lying, apparently.

if you do any real independent research at all - your funding is predetermined by what outcome you predict?

My post-graduate research was funded by the University and the US Fish and Wildlife Service.

You snide little prick.

Who funded yours?

Yeah, it's 'night blog time...

'night blog

I'll stick around for this-
"My post-graduate research was funded by the University and the US Fish and Wildlife Service."

What did they pay you to conclude?

Jak-
Someone said that scientific research grants were dependent upon the conclusion of the research, and you agreed.

So, what deal did you make to get your funding, and in what way did you comply?

Dude, every major independent climate research institution on the planet has come to the same conclusion

No, Boyd.

They haven't.

That's partly because there's no such thin as a "major independent climate research institution".

but to claim that global warming is a "hoax"

I didn't claim global warming was a "hoax".

Man-made global warming is theory.

There are lots of theories.

And like other, fantastic theories, they need to be relegated to the obscure realm of academic inquiry---not internationally forced upon entire economies simply because their "solutions" are politically convenient to leftist shit.

"hmmm Obama may be one of the most articulate Presidents I have ever heard. "

re:

It is also worh noting that you GW scientists get grants for the sole purpose of proving global warming and then Abracadabra you come up withyour proof and another grant.

#29 | Posted by bph320 at 2010-02-18 11:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, that's exactly how it works.

#34 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2010-02-18 11:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Goodnight Jak.

At least RCADE finally admits that Global Warming is little more than media hype, and only the media can keep up the hoax. Each day it's becoming more and more humorous to watch those like Zat, Ring, and others twist themselves into knots trying to keep the hoax alive. They all still likely believe that GW is actually occurring, which is all the more alarming. Pity them, they know not what they do, and cannot change their ways until they have been given their new talking points.

What did they pay you to conclude?

There was no media and ideological-generated interest in my conclusions.

There were no "apocolyptic consequences" that depended upon my research.

Outside an extremely select group of academicians and resource managers, nobody gives a fuck about Tobosagrass communities, rotatonal grazing systems, and prescribed burns.

That's quite different from a bunch of fucking modeling hacks in European research "centres" feeding variables into a model so that the desired "conclusion" is ensured.

In a way, this "climate change" meltdown is hilarious to watch---especially when it come to little ankle-biting clones like yourself who had so much invested in all of this. You didn't know your ass from a hole in the ground, but you knew the proper rhetorical application of terms like "consensus", and "settled science".

Its kinda funny now---watching you little bitch ass sputter and spark as your little ideological house of bullshit come tumbling down around you.

This has always been a crock of shit---and I'm looking forward to your future contortions as it become more and more apparent that it is.

Obama needs to ignore both deniars and enviro-tards and approve more nuke plants.

JAK

Did your research find George W Bush was right when he said
"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully"?

So is CO2 not a greenhouse gas, or do the concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere not have any impact, or what?
I'm not aware of a climate model in which CO2 concentration goes up by 50% and temperature remains the same.
But, since that's really how it works, the model should be pretty easy to put together.
So, let's see it.

Jak-
re: That's quite different from a bunch of fucking modeling hacks in European research "centres" feeding variables into a model so that the desired "conclusion" is ensured.

..which would explain perfectly the opinions of the NAS, NOAA, NASA, etc.

BTW, I'm glad to hear that you claim that your research was not tainted by commie-libs, since "that's exactly how it works".

I really hope you don't post any more easily risible nonsense in the next few minutes or so, for while I have to go to work in the morning, I'm too easily awake to such profound bullshit.

I'm glad to hear that you claim that your research was not tainted by commie-libs

That's because commie-libs didn't have a vested interest in the outcome of that research.

In your rather lame-ass attempt to make an ad hominem attack, you're trying to conflate average, legitimate research at a public university with the man-made global warming alarmism industry and its "centres" that answer directly to the IPCC and its agenda of transnational regulation.

That's pretty weak, Boyd.

Even for you.

Snoofy,

Carbon dioxide is used by plants during photosynthesis to make sugars, which may either be consumed in respiration or used as the raw material to produce other organic compounds needed for plant growth and development. It is produced during respiration by plants, and by all animals, fungi and microorganisms that depend either directly or indirectly on plants for food. It is thus a major component of the carbon cycle.

Also, concerning the atmosphere:
Dry air contains roughly (by volume) 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.038% carbon dioxide, and small amounts of other gases.

0.038% carbon dioxide is a drop of water in the entire ocean.

It is NOT a toxin that Algore and company would have you believe.

Sources Wikipedia.

I really hope you don't post any more easily risible nonsense in the next few minutes or so, for while I have to go to work in the morning, I'm too easily awake to such profound bullshit.

Most tired people I know that have to go to work the next day don't stay up and respond to "risible nonsense".

The fact is, you're insecure about the disentigration of some myth your ideological vanguards have told to is "objective truth".

Jak-
....which would explain perfectly the opinions of the NAS, NOAA, NASA, etc.

Infiltrated by euro-commies, is that your position?

Really?

you must have been a breech birth

Why do you give your opponents an excuse for their alleged stupidity when you should be trying to explain away your own?

Fucking atheist will believe anything.

As long as there's evidence for it, yes. That stands in contrast to the self-lobotimized droplet of vaginal discharge known as "Twiggler". He/she will accept all manner of absurdity in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

PS, god doesn't exist.

Your god got nailed to a cross. Mine has a fucking hammer. Now piss off.

In your rather lame-ass attempt to make an ad hominem attack, you're trying to conflate average, legitimate research at a public university with the man-made global warming alarmism industry and its "centres" that answer directly to the IPCC and its agenda of transnational regulation.

I never claimed your research was legitimate, though I'll take your word for it that it could be described as "average". You, rather, make the ideological charge that basic scientific research is conclusion-motivated if you happen to disagree with the results, thereby calling your rather limited scientific work into question as well.

So is CO2 not a greenhouse gas, or do the concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere not have any impact

I don't see anybody making that assertion here.

That's what you call a strawman.

The point of contention is whether or not we need to emasculate our economy via draconian regulation in order to counter a "problem" that, at this point, remains entirely hypothetical and abstract.

Enough. Have a good night, Jak et al

I'm sure you'll say some more stupid things, but I really can't justify staying awake any longer.

W already 'unmasculitated' the economy

You, rather, make the ideological charge that basic scientific research is conclusion-motivated if you happen to disagree with the results

The charge isn't "ideological", dipshit.

The "basic scientific research" of the entity that feeds the IPCC (i.e. "the consensus") with climate data is conclusion motivated.

Don't be a dumbfuck.

Or maybe God put that falsified/altered/fabricated data out there to test your faith in man-made Global Warming and the ensuing apocolypse that will surely come if we don't "act now".

Is that it, Boyd?

I'm sure you'll say some more stupid things

Yeah, you said that last time.

Most tired people I know that have to go to work the next day don't stay up and respond to "stupid things".

The same people who believe in man made global warming also believe in obama and his administration's lies - foolish people believing in foolish things. Just got got to love libs as they are so entertaining :)

I wonder how far ahead the eight billion(!) $$ for the new nukes would bring the US renewable-energy industry.

The same people who believe in man made global warming also believe in obama . . .

#77 | Posted by MSgt

in both cases all historical supporting data has been lost

And two more studies one by the Leibniz Institute of Marine Science and the Max Planck Institute of Meteorology in Germany
and another by the University of Wisconsin predict a slowing, or even a reversal of warming, for at least the next 10 to 20 years.

"The most recent global warming that began in 1977 is over, and the Earth has entered a new phase of global cooling," says Don Easterbrook, professor of geology at Western Washington University in Bellingham.

He maintains that a switch in Pacific Ocean currents "assures about three decades of global cooling. New solar data showing unusual absence of sun spots and changes in the sun's magnetic field suggest ... the present episode of global cooling may be more severe than the cooling of 1945 to 1977."

It isn't just global warming that is being swiftboated, the entire Democratic party is being swiftboated. The extreme right is now pretending to be fiscally responsible and are busy convincing the less sophisticated that they aren't also the same people responsible for all the debt, the wars, etc. when in fact they are directly responsible, claimed deficits didn't matter and that tax cuts for rich people would bring full employment. They are just liars and it is only a question of how stupid America really is now to determine the future.

The untold story isn't really that the Global Warming scientists are perpetuating some nonsensical and utterly massive, century-long hoax.

It's also not that the movement is being swift-boated.

/The first is an obvious lie and the second is just obvious.

//Well, to anyone but the corporate media, of course.

It's the fact that corporations with a vested interest in seeing AGW theorists discredited have adopted the same tactics Big Tobacco used for years and used millions of dollars to do that swift-boating.

It's also the fact that the corporate media have largely FAILed to do any substantial investigative journalism on this aspect of the story.

ExxonMobil-funded organizations consist of an overlapping collection of individuals serving as staff, board members, and scientific advisors that publish and re-publish the works of a small group of climate change contrarians. The George C. Marshall Institute, for instance, which has received $630,000 from ExxonMobil, recently touted a book edited by Patrick Michaels, a long-time climate change contrarian who is affiliated with at least 11 organizations funded by ExxonMobil. Similarly, ExxonMobil funds a number of lesser-known groups such as the Annapolis Center for Science-Based Public Policy and Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow. Both groups promote the work of several climate change contrarians, including Sallie Baliunas, an astrophysicist who is affiliated with at least nine ExxonMobil-funded groups.

Baliunas is best known for a 2003 paper alleging the climate had not changed significantly in the past millennia that was rebutted by 13 scientists who stated she had misrepresented their work in her paper. This renunciation did not stop ExxonMobil-funded groups from continuing to promote the paper. Through methods such as these, ExxonMobil has been able to amplify and prop up work that has been discredited by reputable climate scientists.

"When one looks closely, ExxonMobil's underhanded strategy is as clear and indisputable as the scientific research it's meant to discredit," said Seth Shulman, an investigative journalist who wrote the UCS report. "The paper trail shows that, to serve its corporate interests, ExxonMobil has built a vast echo chamber of seemingly independent groups with the express purpose of spreading disinformation about global warming."

#73, nicely done. Mention two studies, don't cite them and then quote someone that has nothing to do with Leibniz or Planck.

Perhaps you can find something worth reading here?

Nothing incites a battle of the links like anything even remotely resembing global warming, global cooling, climate change, whatever the mot du jour happens to be

That's good

Lots of evidence now that this "scientific consensus" is no longer a "scientific consensus". Which is great...cause I'd hate for to get taxed on something that has a good chance of not existing.

#78 | Posted by ghickey at 2010-02-19 09:03 AM | Reply | Flag: has no evidence for his assertion

Council Keeps Current Climate Change Statement

In May, Council tabled a motion by Robert Austin that would have replaced the current APS statement on climate change with a new one much more skeptical of the evidence for, and consequences of, anthropogenic global warming. At its November 8 meeting, Council took it off the table and brought it to a vote.

The result: the motion was soundly defeated, with no one voting in favor and only one abstention. Even Austin voted against it.

Time to repeat the latest from Woods Hole:

"Recent changes in ocean circulation in the North Atlantic are delivering larger amounts of subtropical waters to the high latitudes. A research team led by Fiamma Straneo, a physical oceanographer at Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, found that subtropical waters are reaching Greenland's glaciers, driving melting and likely triggering an acceleration of ice loss. Melting ice also means more fresh water in the ocean, which could flood into the North Atlantic and disrupt a global system of currents, known as the Ocean Conveyor."

And thanks to all the idiots ... it's too late.

"The pioneering study, led by NOAA senior scientist Susan Solomon, shows how changes in surface temperature, rainfall, and sea level are largely irreversible for more than 1,000 years after carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions are completely stopped."

Despite the fact that Kerry was a coward, a phony and a flip flopper and the so-called scientists at East Anglia fudged the global warming data, stuborn knucleheaded libs won't recognize the truth. Many of these wacky lefties still believe that Al Gore won the 2000 election.

"Many of these wacky lefties still believe that Al Gore won the 2000 election."

It all depends on the meaning of the word "won."
If "won" means getting the most votes then Al Gore won but if "won" means being appointed president by the Supreme Court then George Bush won.
Tune in next week when we will discuss the meaning of the word "democracy."

#84 | Posted by danni at 2010-02-19 09:53 AM | Reply | Flag: raised hand when you asked for "wacky lefties" to announce themselves.

DANNI and Blow Job Bill can discuss the meaning of the word "is".

It is kind of like when OJ Simpson hired experts. What is the likelyhood that their conclusions would be any different than expected

The wheels on the "short bus" of MMGW are coming off FAST & none to soon.

more bullshit from people who now stand to LOSE BILLIONS of american tax dollars.

Here is a better headline:

Mead is a reality denier.

Good analogy. It is swift boating at it's finest. Deriding and misrepresenting a subject as part of a political agenda. Through lies and aggressive attacks an obvious an indisputable phenomena is being discredited by know-Nothing partisans controlled and financed by those corporate gas/coal interests that have the most to lose.

oh moder8...
you are one silly goose..

let me ask you..apparently you have but you are saying the rest of us should just ignore all of the SCAMS in data that have come out..paul jones saying the earth has NOT warmed in that span of years and all of the things that have come out recently.
we have to just IGNORE All of that..I am pretty sure that you wouldnt if damaging info came out like these things that supported YOUR side.

For an average increase of about 0.5F in the last 15 years.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

#26 | Posted by Zatoich

Then how do you explain North America's temperature dropping 17 degrees over a 50 year period when humans had zero industry or automobiles? That was a much more dramatic shift then what you are reporting.

And the rightwing sheeple obediently go "baa baa" as they walk towards the slaughter house.

#18 ...none of which was pick pocketed. Without grants the green technology industry would never get off the ground. Quit your whining and moaning, get off your comfy ass and get your own grant to do something positive yourself instead of crying like a bee stung baby, KBM.

hmmm Obama may be one of the most articulate Presidents I have ever heard.

#9 | Posted by donnerboy

He realy is good at reading the tel-aprompter. He does a lot of stuttering and stammering when he talks without it.

In a way, this "climate change" meltdown is hilarious to watch...

This whole concept of swift boating global warming is really nothing new. The right has been doing this for decades, because they are always right, just ask anyone of them. They don't even know what swift boating is. They think is a right of passage to be a tea partier or something. Now, the idiots think global warming is going to go away because they willed it away. These guys are are the real bad joke.

You wish is was going to blow over like a bad dream jak. To bad the physical evidence won't just go away too.

And the rightwing sheeple obediently go "baa baa" as they walk towards the slaughter house.

#94 | Posted by moder8 at 2010-02-1

you know old boy...you are not completely wrong here

what you WANT to happen can be said the same way with one change..

the rightwing sheeple obediently go baa baa as they walk towards the POOR house..

if the left gets its way...

When you sell Chevys but drive a Ford, and get caught you Swift Boated yourself.

Then how do you explain North America's temperature dropping 17 degrees over a 50 year period when humans had zero industry or automobiles? That was a much more dramatic shift then what you are reporting.

Either post a reputable link everlost or shove it where the sun don't shine (get the pun?). What you just said is absolutely ludicrous unless there was a physical phenomenon like a major series of volcanic eruptions or a huge meteor strike to block out the sun for 50 years.

Past climate changes of major significance (like ice ages) take place over thousands of years.

When you sell Chevys but drive a Ford, and get caught you Swift Boated yourself.

#99 | Posted by 90c2cab

actually when you drive a ford chances are you will be riding in it behind a fuckin wrecker on the way to get the transmission replaced.

actually when you drive a ford chances are you will be riding in it behind a fuckin wrecker on the way to get the transmission replaced.

Some people just can't say anything at all without sounding like an idiot.

My old Ford Truck has close to half a million miles on it and I never touched the transmission except to replace the clutch once in all those miles. It must be the way you drive. Apparently libbies are much better drivers then pubbies too. Actually it figures. A good driver needs to understand how car parts work together. They can't even figure out the basics of burning billions of barrels of fuel every year and what it's doing to the environment, much less how an car works.

Is it possible to prove to a person that they are clueless and wrong if they refuse to honestly review the scientific peer reviewed literature and also have a partisan bias against acknowledging the reality of a situation?

Rightwing opposition to GW proves that no matter what the true state of the evidence, they will ALWAYS and AUTOMATICALLY resist the reality of climate change so long as it is in their partisan and financial short-term best interest to do so. Ironically, it almost makes a sane person hope that GW related calamity does occur, just to whack some sense of reality into the heads of all the stupid people who are denying the obvious with such passion. Kind of like during the GWB/Cheney crusade in Iraq when so many of the same people (rightwing sheep) were insisting how swimmingly the war was going (chocolates and Mission Accomplished) despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Some people just can't say anything at all without sounding like an idiot.

#102 | Posted by RingMaster at 2010-02-19 01:12 PM | Reply | Flag: Prime example

Some people just can't say anthing at all without sounding like a smug asshole.

#104 | Posted by JOE at 2010-02-19 01:15 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: Prime Example

Originality was never your strong suit.

You are gratuitously flicking shit at Ringmaster. Is that your definition of "originality"?

Ringmaster is a dumbfuck and deserves it. Frankly you're in the same category. I'll let others decide whose comment was more original if you actually want to dispute that.

Waterboy...

Mama didn't care for Science either....

Mama Boucher: You gonna lose all your fancy fools' balls games! And your gonna fail your big exam! Because school is?
Bobby Boucher: The devil?
[Mama gasps]
Bobby Boucher: Everything is the devil to you, Mama! Well, I like school, and I like football! And I'm gonna keep doin' them both because they make me feel good!
Bobby Boucher: [Bobby runs out, slamming the door, then comes back in] And by the way, Mama. Alligators are ornery 'cause of their Medula Oblongata!
Bobby Boucher: [Bobby runs back out, then back in again] And I like Vicki, and she like me back! And she showed me her boobies and I like them too!
[slams door on Mama]

Mama was also quite the Republican too...

I'll let others decide whose comment was more original if you actually want to dispute that.

#108 | Posted by JOE

1 vote for Joe and 1 vote against dumbfuck.

#110...We already know that wisass. Come up with something original on your own some day.

Joe makes climate debate look like a food fight, but kiddies will do what kiddies do best.

All I need to change my mind is a climate model in which increasing CO2 by 50% has no effect on temperature.

The simplest models tell me increasing CO2 by 50% increases surface temperature by about 3C.

So where's this new, improved model?

It's rather pointless to point out, say, the Bohr model of the atom is inaccurate unless you can offer something better. Einstein didn't just say "Newtonian mechanics isn't quite right," he provided a better set of equations.

Where's your more nuanced climate model, deniers? Put up or shut up.

Snoofy, GW deniers can't. And they are not interested in doing so. As far as they are concerned, this is all about political partisan benefit, and short term economic gain.

We have arrived at a point where right wing partisans will stridently support or oppose anything regardless if they know anything what so ever about it or not.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2010-02-18 10:26 PM | Reply | Flag

danni, you say such stupid things... you need your own show...

You may well be right, Moder8.

Yet some of the doubters speak as though they might be versed in the ways of science, so I figured I'd give them a chance to promulgate their alternative theories.

Snoofy,

I already have explained thermodynamics, climatology, and climitological history to you at the 8th grade level...those kids get it...I don't know what else to do for you...

He realy is good at reading the tel-aprompter. He does a lot of stuttering and stammering when he talks without it.

#96 | Posted by Sniper

I call Bullshit....

Gotta Link? I believe you are mistaking Obama trying to talk over a feisty crowd that is rudely interrupting him with stuttering. Bush didn't ever have this problem because his crowds were pre-screened so that they ALL agreed with him!

One of the great differences between Bush and Obama is that Obama bravely takes on those who may even disagree with him.

Another difference is that Bush is as dumb as a stump.

Donnerboy,

Bush may be dumb, but he released his grades....why won't our Fuhrer release his? Gotta figure, they're worse! Certainly, his performance is, which is saying a lot!

Bush may be dumb, but he released his grades....why won't our Fuhrer release his? Gotta figure, they're worse! Certainly, his performance is, which is saying a lot!

#120 | Posted by jonryker at 2010-02-19 04:42 PM | Reply | Flag:Dain Bramaged

Snoofy,

I already have explained thermodynamics, climatology, and climitological history to you at the 8th grade level...those kids get it...I don't know what else to do for you...

I do appreciate that. But I studied those things in college. Well, thermodynamics at least. People I know study earth physics in a professional (post-doctorate) capacity, so I'll go with what they have to say.

I hope this doesn't sound condescending. I just have a better handle on this than "warm air rises." Mostly I see the Vostok ice core record and see where CO2 is today and say "well, we're in uncharted territory now. We better figure out where the fuck we're going." The best model we've got says we're going to warm up. Even the simplest models say that too. Evidentiary support is not as strong as I would like it to be, but reliable data (satellite) is relatively recent and might need to bake a little longer to achieve greater significance. But then again you never get perfect data, so there's that. And the system itself is unbelievably complex and not fully understood.

Taking a step back from the science, I think even if there weren't global warming deniers, not much would change. We're just too fat, dumb, and happy to give up our cushy existence. That being said, there are valid near-term geopolitical reasons to pursue carbon-free energy, and that's arguably a stronger reason than rising seas and dying oceans in fifty or five hundred years.

About the only political measure I favor is a tiny tax on carbon energy to fund non-carbon energy R&D. And decoupling at the public utility level is an absolute must. Converting food to fuel (ethanol) is absolute stupidity, though waste to fuel might not be a bad idea. Thunderdome!

By "swift boated" he means the truth is finally coming out on it and it can no longer be hidden? Like Kerry's purple hearts where he fragged himself?

Now the Climate crowd is doing the same thing to themselves?

By "swift boated" he means the truth is finally coming out on it and it can no longer be hidden?

No son, it means a bunch of partisan hacks used bullshit propaganda to derail Kerry. These are the same jackasses that would never vote for Obama because McCain was a vet and Obama was not.

In other words they were all hypocrites and liars.

Sorry for bruising your vulva, cupcake.

So wisass is this you or you wife posting this time? My guess is your wife is the worse toilet mouth of you two. Most republican wives are.

Snoofy,

We're not even close to uncharted territory from a CO2 perspective, not that that matters...it was 10 times higher during the Cretaceous..Plant and animal species thrived....check out the fossil record

The models are the equivalent of rigged computer game formulas...they are designed to give an outcome of catastrophic warming....I know...I've seen them....

Look, if you can explain to me how the glaciers melted...mile-thick glaciers...10,000 years ago without the help of human-induced CO2, and still say that human induced CO2 is the main problem, then you're simply being pig-headed.

In all seriousness, go to www.scotese.edu or com, I don't remember....go to the climate history section...and look at the history of temperature on this planet over the last 700 million years, and read the explanation of why this happens....none of it involves CO2 at all, let alone human-induced CO2.....then, just realize, that you've been sold a bill of goods.....happens to us all, but supporting these crooks now when they've been proven by their own cooked data to be frauds and theives is simply indefensible....

I say this respectfully, and in all seriousness....

Ring pules, "No son, it means a bunch of partisan hacks used bullshit propaganda to derail Kerry."

Here is some support for what you claim is bs:

"I say this respectfully, and in all seriousness.... "

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

(American Pysical Society)
Council Keeps Current Climate Change Statement

In May, Council tabled a motion by Robert Austin that would have replaced the current APS statement on climate change with a new one much more skeptical of the evidence for, and consequences of, anthropogenic global warming. At its November 8 meeting, Council took it off the table and brought it to a vote.

The result: the motion was soundly defeated, with no one voting in favor and only one abstention. Even Austin voted against it.

No son, it means a bunch of partisan hacks used bullshit propaganda to derail Kerry. These are the same jackasses that would never vote for Obama because McCain was a vet and Obama was not.

In other words they were all hypocrites and liars.

#124 | Posted by RingMaster

The GWers "swift boated" themselves---nobody had to do it for them.

The GWers "swift boated" themselves---nobody had to do it for them.

Same crap tadowe is spewing forth. Once a jerk, always a jerk...like I'm really going to waste my time on that fool's sources?

I be the judge of that bullshit story and yours too matsop.

Glad to see I got you to waste some more time though. Hahahahah!

Zat,

Still making predictions? Maybe you should take up fortune-telling....it's just as scientifically valid as global envirofascism....maybe that could be your new niche....envirofortune-
telling!

We're supposed to be discussing whether global warming is caused by man, but we spend half the time arguing about such myths like the world is cooling and more CO2 is beneficial. It's beyond ridiculous. It boggles the mind.

These deniers never discuss real science. They can't. They have no ammunition in the form of brain mass. What they can do is call people childish names, quote ultra right wing blog sites and pat each other on the back for what great thinkers they are. Take jonryker's last post for example. His new word envirofascism is an oxymoron and he fancies himself a teacher. What a joke.

Next come the woman matsop to back him up and say yep, yep, yep, like a one word parrot, and of couse lets not forget tadowe, his ploy is degradation with the filthiest mouth his parents taught him.

Personally I'm getting ready to move on so these a-holes can find a new whipping boy for their childish fetishes.

It isn't just global warming that is being swiftboated, the entire Democratic party is being swiftboated. The extreme right is now pretending to be fiscally responsible and are busy convincing the less sophisticated that they aren't also the same people responsible for all the debt, the wars, etc. when in fact they are directly responsible, claimed deficits didn't matter and that tax cuts for rich people would bring full employment. They are just liars and it is only a question of how stupid America really is now to determine the future.

#74 | Posted by danni at 2010-02-19 07:53 AM | Reply | Flag

It's funny to read your stuff. Especially parts like this "The extreme right is now pretending to be fiscally responsible and are busy convincing the less sophisticated "

Tell me Danni, what percentages of these people vote for democrats and what is their level of "sophistication"?

Single mothers
Blacks
Mexicans
Union members

Oh, and rednecks of course.

Let's not forget the rednecks, eh, Danni?

Team finds subtropical waters flushing through Greenland fjord
www.whoi.edu

Earth passed the tipping point in the 70's.
Deal with it.

No wonder the second smartest individual I ever met was a cat.
#128 | Posted by Zatoichi

from the article;

a) "This is the FIRST extensive survey of one of these fjords"

b) "This is the FIRST time we've seen waters this warm in any of the fjords in Greenland"

team conclusion; subtropical waters likely triggering an acceleration of ice loss

btw;
"Funding for this research . . . Climate Change Institute Arctic Research Initiative, NASA, & NSF"

btwII; Zat's "high regard" for cats is veeeery telling . . .
inarguable FACT - "cats live to please the hand that feeds (funds) them"

It isn't just global warming that is being swiftboated, the entire Democratic party is being swiftboated. The extreme right is now pretending to be fiscally responsible and are busy convincing the less sophisticated that they aren't also the same people responsible for all the debt, the wars, etc. when in fact they are directly responsible, claimed deficits didn't matter and that tax cuts for rich people would bring full employment. They are just liars and it is only a question of how stupid America really is now to determine the future.

#74 | Posted by danni at

a) the teaparty patriots are NOT the extreme right . . . they are "working class America"
as such, THEY are NOT reponsible for the DEBT, they are the ones PAYING the debt

b) "ESTABLISHMENT REPUBS" are being swiftboated by the PATRIOTS

c) DEMS, (having been highjacked by far left kooks) - - are SELF IMPLODING

if ya read this sloooowly it may help

I forgot, tell me again how much american tax money is it going to take to lower the temp 1 degree?

We have arrived at a point where right wing partisans will stridently support or oppose anything regardless if they know anything what so ever about it or not.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2

uh excuse me

its the left wacks who are telling us that the email scam doesnt matter..that the errors in the algore movie dont matter and now the un climate guy tells us that NO...the earth hasnt gotten warmer in the last 15 years..
ITS YOUR buddies who are saying..uh no WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU DO.....

) the teaparty patriots are NOT the extreme right . . . they are "working class America"
as such, THEY are NOT reponsible for the DEBT, they are the ones PAYING the debt

b) "ESTABLISHMENT REPUBS" are being swiftboated by the PATRIOTS

c) DEMS, (having been highjacked by far left kooks) - - are SELF IMPLODING

if ya read this sloooowly it may help

#135 | Posted by markh at 2

I read it a couple of times and come up with the same conclusion each time

bravo...you are correct sir...

See? You post a site that quotes FBI, CIA and the Military (Navy) and what happens?

The intransigent, cement-for-brains yellow dog socialists ignore it ...

BTW, notice that Zat indicates his joy over the coming end-of-the-world ...?

I doubt Zat will become so unbalanced as to fly a plane into Exxon HQ ... would he ... ?

Dow, there in Tejas ...?

What I find really interesting about this place is that it's essentially a 9 to 5 hang out.

Do you folks (you know who you are) feel even a little ashamed for stealing from your employer, and his/her clients?

Even a little?

Or that your job is so meaningless that you have hours upon hours to waste here?

Even a little?

Danni

Boo Fucking Hoo. We are all being swiftboated. Boo hoo

still waiting,,, how much tax money is it going to take to lower the temp 1 degree?