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Wednesday, February 17, 2010

Given what people have been saying about a successful stimulus bill, just imagine what they'll say about one that doesn't accomplish much.

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Ya load 16 tons
And what do ya get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Corky says it's getting better
And he should know
He keeps his nose up Obama's A-hole.

AS has been mentioned, Cockfisher has never posted a cogent, considered political opinion on this blog, ever.

Never. Not ever since he was merely a gleam in John Ashcroft's eyes and a minor tummy ache for mAnn Coulter.

Corky's enjoying the spirit of the day by making a giant ash out of himself.

They all estimate that the bill has added 1.6 million to 1.8 million jobs so far and that its ultimate impact will be roughly 2.5 million jobs.

So they have spent over $250 billion to create or save approximately 2 million jobs? No wonder Obama has that idiot Biden out there touting this as a success. Seeing as Joe is the king of talking through his ass, people just see this as another Biden moment. Of course the latest polls show people know the difference between a gaffe and bullshit.

Ah, Cockfisher daydreaming about my ash again.

The case against the stimulus revolves around the idea that the economy would be no worse off without it. As a Wall Street Journal opinion piece put it last year, "The resilience of the private sector following the fall 2008 panic not the fiscal stimulus program deserves the lion's share of the credit for the impressive growth improvement." In a touch of unintended irony, two of article's three authors were listed as working at a research institution named for Herbert Hoover.

Of course, no one can be certain about what would have happened in an alternate universe without a $787 billion stimulus. But there are two main reasons to think the hard-core skeptics are misguided above and beyond those complicated, independent economic analyses.

The first is the basic narrative that the data offer. Pick just about any area of the economy and you come across the stimulus bill's footprints.

In the early months of last year, spending by state and local governments was falling rapidly, as was tax revenue. In the spring, tax revenue continued to drop, yet spending jumped during the very time when state and local officials were finding out roughly how much stimulus money they would be receiving. This is the money that has kept teachers, police officers, health care workers and firefighters employed.

Then there is corporate spending. It surged in the final months of last year. Mark Zandi of Economy.com (who has advised the McCain campaign and Congressional Democrats) says that the Dec. 31 expiration of a tax credit for corporate investment, which was part of the stimulus, is a big reason.

The story isn't quite as clear-cut with consumer spending, as skeptics note. Its sharp plunge stopped before President Obama signed the stimulus into law exactly one year ago. But the billions of dollars in tax cuts, food stamps and jobless benefits in the stimulus have still made a difference. Since February, aggregate wages and salaries have fallen, while consumer spending has risen. The difference between the two some $100 billion has essentially come from stimulus checks.

The second argument in the bill's favor is the history of financial crises. They have wreaked terrible damage on economies. Indeed, the damage tended to be even worse than what we have suffered.

Around the world over the last century, the typical financial crisis caused the jobless rate to rise for almost five years, according to work by the economists Carmen Reinhart and Kenneth Rogoff. On that timeline, our rate would still be rising in early 2012. Even that may be optimistic, given that the recent crisis was so bad. As Ben Bernanke, Henry Paulson (Republicans both) and many others warned in 2008, this recession had the potential to become a depression.

Yet the jobless rate is now expected to begin falling consistently by the end of this year.

For that, the stimulus package, flaws and all, deserves a big heaping of credit. "It prevented things from getting much worse than they otherwise would have been," Nariman Behravesh, Global Insight's chief economist, says. "I think everyone would have to acknowledge that's a good thing."

Why do Repubes Hate America?

Why do Repubes Hate America?

Ah, the never ending, but still magnaminously ignorant, "If you don't agree with me, you hate America".

I really wish people would grow up.

ah but you refuse to acknowledge the reason for our being skeptical

these two men are known and noted liars....
I mean next thing you know biden will try and tell us that the iraq war will be one of thier best accomplishments..OOPS

and here is the hypocricy....dems here will attack reagan over the deficit of that time and will ignore the deficit that bho is putting up...whether there is one job created or millions..

and remember the trick....JusT ABOUT election time...more money will be spent...

gee ....isnt it FUNNY how thats going to work out?????????

Grown-ups might have noticed that the quote referred to the factual article content, not me.

But I can see how that would escape someone wif a 8th grade edumacation.

Grown-ups might have noticed that the quote referred to the factual article content, not me.

???

I noticed. Are you suggesting the reference makes my sentiment less valid?

"You're so vain
You probably thought that post was about you"

LOL

Just 10 days before taking office, Obama's top economic advisers released a report predicting unemployment would remain at 8 percent or below through this year if an economic stimulus plan won congressional approval.

Oh wait, it's 10%!

Grade: Fail

Oh wait, it's 10%!

Grade: Fail

But, but, but Bush! Bush! Bush!

The left

"If you don't agree with me, you hate America".

That isn't what Corky meant, he's talking about those who are actually hoping for our economy to fail just so that Obama will fail....purely for partisan political reasons.....IMHO those people do not care about America, they are not patriotic Americans and deserve to be called out on it.
Jim Demint, IMHO, does not love his country.

"Grade: Fail"

More honestly, they underestimated the level of damage Bush had done to the economy. Cookfish knows that as well as I do but prefers to pretend he doesn't.

9-11 was Clinton's fault.

The right, Liz Cheney, recently.

That isn't what Corky meant, he's talking about those who are actually hoping for our economy to fail just so that Obama will fail....purely for partisan political reasons.....IMHO those people do not care about America, they are not patriotic Americans and deserve to be called out on it.
#14 | Posted by danni at 2010-02-17 12:18 PM

So according to danni, the 94% in this poll are clearly partisan and hope our economy will fail because they want Obama to fail? Or are not patriotic because they don't agree with the 6%? Wow!!!

'Obama Says Stimulus Helped Avert Economic Catastrophe'

Only 6 percent of Americans say the stimulus legislation has created jobs, according to a survey conducted by CBS News and The New York Times.

In the survey of 1,084 Americans, 45 percent said they disapprove of Obama's job performance, the highest since he became president, and 52 percent said they disapprove of how he is handling the economy. The poll, conducted Feb. 5-10, had a margin of sampling error of 3 percentage points.
www.bloomberg.com

Depends on your definition of "successful". Obama said that it was urgently required, else the unemployment rate would soar to 8%. It's now 10%. I'm a big proponent of paving the earth over--build roads and bridges and highways and nuclear plants--harder to justify sending $400 billion to Fannie and Freddie to cover losses already incurred. A stimulus bill should stimulate, and should add to the country's net worth. This hasn't, and the American public knows it.

That isn't what Corky meant, he's talking about those who are actually hoping for our economy to fail just so that Obama will fail....purely for partisan political reasons.....IMHO those people do not care about America, they are not patriotic Americans and deserve to be called out on it.

There is no hope involved. And I don't give a shit about political parties. It is a plain a day to me that the USA is going bankrupt on financial and economic grounds alone.

I'll say it again: the federal government cannot spend this country back into prosperity. It's like borrowing against your credit card to make monthly payments.

Ignore me. Call me unpatriotic. Curse at me. The truth will come out eventually.

Has Phil Jones been working on the jobs data again?

Jobs data is bogus. Why doesn't someone post how they come up with that number. I think it comes from telephone polling.

How can we possibly be losing half a million jobs a week and keep the rate the same?

"How can we possibly be losing half a million jobs a week and keep the rate the same?"

Because the new hope and change means what it would be as opposed to what it is. Probably why the WH no longer announces how many jobs the stimulus created, of course that doesn't stop them from announcing how many it saved.

9-11 was Clinton's fault.

The right, Liz Cheney, recently.

#16 | Posted by danni at 2010

I saw that and you are of course not giving the whole story..
her comment was a reaction to a question or comment about bush and cheny being responsible for 9/11 or not doing enough to prevent it when ..AS SHE POINTED OUT CORRECTLY...that blowjob could have stopped it as well if he hadnt been treating it like they had robbed the corner store and oh yeah..if he had kept his pecker in his pants long enough.
(* come on...you know I HAD TO get THAT in somewhere )

come on corky

we all know you are a liberal, radical, leftists, subversive, commie pinko spy who loves to watch west wing reruns....admit it...

-A stimulus bill should stimulate, and should add to the country's net worth. This hasn't, and the American public knows it.

Yeas, everyone knows it... except for the CBO and every major independent economic expert cited.

#19 | Posted by Ray

Keynes or Raystradamus??

So difficult to decide...

Evan Bayh settled the whole matter of the stimulus when he said THIS:

"But if I could create one job in the private sector by helping to grow a business, that would be one more than Congress has created in the last six months."

It is if you count China and Spain.

Evan Bayh added nearly 2 million new jobs?

That's a lot of Mickey D franchises.

Keynes or Raystradamus??
So difficult to decide...

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2010-02-17 12:59 PM | Reply | Flag: Wouldn't know the difference between Adam Smith and Karl Marx

"blowjob could have stopped it as well if he hadnt been treating it like they had robbed the corner store and oh yeah..if he had kept his pecker in his pants long enough."

While the likes of you said his Cruise Missile attacks were just an attempt to distract from the Monica scandal Clinton was trying to kill Al Quaeda, then when he and his adminstration tried to warn Bush when he moved into the WH it fell on deaf ears. Like the homework he neglected to do when a young man, reading his PDBs was somehing Bush just couldn't be bothered with.

"then when he and his adminstration tried to warn Bush when he moved into the WH it fell on deaf ears."

He also forwarded a draft for regime change in Iraq.

Danni,
Have you read the PDB you dumbfucks keep mentioning?
Point to the part you think he could have or should have acted on.

Watching you fools mention that PDB as if it means something is a real treat. Nothing says "retard" quite like touting the PDB as if it's damning.

Nothing says "retard" quite like "Posted by 101Chairborne"

Fixed it for ya =P

According to the Wall Street Journal and USAToday: ... About 58% of stimulus spending so far has gone to government and social services. ... $112 billion of 2009 stimulus spending went to balance state budgets. ... time jobs were created, but did show they received $965 million in stimulus money. ...

Is is any wonder why only six percent claim the stimulus has created jobs? Even better is the WH sending out their minions claiming it is succesful, including Janet Napolitano?

"Is is"

Is it...

-Wouldn't know the difference between Adam Smith and Karl Marx

Sure I would. Adam Smith wouldn't date you, but Marx let you get to 3rd base, old timer.

#37 | Posted by Corky
You just proved me right. You're even too lazy to look up their names.

More from the "State Run Media":

"CNN Celebrates Obama Stimulus With a Birthday Cake"

"Over at the most trusted name in news, they sure know how to party when it's called for. That was evident this afternoon on CNN Newsroom when anchor Ali Velshi gushed:

Happy birthday, dear stimulus. Our producer Ben Tinker (ph) baked this cake. It is a stimulus happy birthday -- first birthday cake, which is also a pie chart. It is the birthday of the stimulus. It is actually very --"

newsbusters.org

They are starting to make Maddow look intelligent...almost....but not quite.

The only thing manufactured in this country today is BS, and little of that is actually the result of bulls.

Until we melt steel, plastic, glass, rubber etc. this country is doomed.

No politician is bright enough to figure it out.

-too lazy to look up their names

Why would I look up names I've known for 30 years?

new york times poll

SIX per cent say stimulus worked.

thats SIX per cent...as krauthammer said last night

since 7% believe that elvis is still alive, 6 sounds about right..

and remember...its the NEW YORK TIMES poll...

#1 | Posted by cookfish at 2010-02-17 11:40 AM | Reply | Flag:Hilarious!

#17 | Posted by crispee_oc

Don't waste your breath. The ability to get a clue is just not there.

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